Basically Anish is pointing out why cheating is so bad in chess. It is corrosive for every player's mind who has to play against someone who is being suspected of cheating, no matter if he actually did.
@@mbotela9979 Yeah and? Magnus has touched pieces and lied that he was adjusting. Lying. A cheater. Banned for life, yes? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics This is what happens in other sports. Basically any other one of them and his ban would be over.
It is needed. Much more is needed. What they should be doing is throwing that dirty cheater out of professional chess. It destroys the whole name of the sport
@@Chad.Commenter Eh… There’s been comebacks from cheating in pro sports before. Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, A-Rod. All these guys had successful careers after being caught cheating. They still cheated, but it didn’t stop them from succeeding.
Anish is the best. You can tell he doesn't have a horse in this race but he doesn't just throw his colleagues under the bus. Frank and straight forward with advise to younger GMs. Your reputation is all you've got. Once lost, it's almost impossible to restore
Regardless of whether Hans is cheating or not , Magnus's behaviour is disturbing . Even a statement of reasonable doubt would be enough . These actions smack of petulance .
@@Furytide If what he has cannot be communicated legally, he should continue to assume innocence. I do not believe that Magnus keeps quiet due to legal issues, but if that were the case then either he has something that can be legally shared, or what he has is not enough to justify his current actions. Innocent until proven guilty.
I don't think any rule in chess prevent a player from resigning after first move. Magnus did nothing wrong. If Hans is innocent until proven guilty, then Magnus is also innocent. Let's assume Magnus wanted to pee urgently so he resigned.
He is not allowed to accuse a player of cheating. His actions speak what he can't say. He has every right to do what he's doing. If chess authorities have a shred of sense they wouldn't allow a known cheater to play in a tournament. It's disturbing that this is happening in the first place.
As always Anish provides a quality perspective. I agree that Magnus needs to sort himself out. Forgoing the chance to make a historic further chess world champion win is already unusual, but within the realm of reasonable decisions. Throwing a tournament based on a suspicion is unprofessional. Not making any public statements and instead just slandering someone else's reputation by leaving a vacuum of speculation is negligent. Refusing to properly participate in a match is disrespectful. Magnus needs to own up to his level of influence and as Danya put it, either "take a shit or come off the pot.".
I disagree. If he doesn't have conclusive evidence then he really can't make a public statement without risking legal repercussions, but he is making his stance very clear in the way he can; He doesn't want to play against a player who has multiple fairplay violations and who then got caught lying about it when "coming clean". They'd probably both signed contracts to play this tournament way before the drama started and Magnus is just sticking to his decision. I'm guessing they won't play many of the same tournaments in the future.
What's disrespectful is that they are making him play against a known cheater and losing 7 elo in one match against an idiot (in Hans own words) because of cheating. He has every right to withdraw. Every GM believes he is cheating, but now people want to be braindead and say "innocent until proven guilty". He wouldn't have cheated in the first place unless he knew he was getting away with it. He had a history full of cheating incidents and he speaks like an idiots when trying to explain his play. He's obviously a cheater. Every GM can see this clearly but fide are still letting this fucker play while kicking out another player for political comments? Chess has reached a joke level of unprofessionality.
@@amberxv4777 nobody is making him play. He could make some excuse and leave his spot on the tournament to someone else who wants to play. He could also retire considering he doesn't even want to defend his title anymore. That would be the right thing to do. Instead he chooses throwing tantrums like a child.
@@amberxv4777 Statistical analysis by Prof. Ken Regan of Niemann's games shows no scientifically significant indication of above average play as compared to opponents and 1000s of analysed games. What it reveals is that Niemann's opponents tend to play below their level against him.
Magnus has a weird understanding of right and justice. Because in case there is NO evidence, NO proof, it is wrong to accuse a person - only because this person had done wrongly prior in his life. Up to now all is only gossip and rumor. With such an attitude like Magnus’s, our legal system would not work.
Dude, I bet Magnus just got shredded by someone rated lower, making 2900 really difficult to get, then hans goes on the attack in the interview, Magnus is also about to give up WC title… I think he’s just acting like a child. Hans rise / games have been analyzed and found to be clean
If you think about it; the reason why he hasn't made any public statements might be to avoid exactly that. Like what are you suggesting the would the lawsuit be at this point? "Hans Nieman sues Magnus Carlsen for posting a vague Jose Morinho meme that people interpreted as an accusation towards Hans, and this resulted in people finding out about his cheating history, that he then went on to lie about on an official broadcast." Doesn't really sound like a strong case to me.
@@noone-ld7pt Don't worry, good lawyers are 1.000 times smarter than you and me together. They will find the proper reasons. They always do, its their job.
Very simply Hans got into Magnus's head before he lost the first game. Magnus's level dropped. And if the better player's level drops and the other plays to his maximum potential the tables can be turned easily. That's the simplest explanation and per Occam's razor should be accepted without evidence to the contrary. With this resignation Magnus just looks psyched out snd scared.
I agree to some extent. I think Magnus went to the table knowing of Hans alledged cheating online and started seeing signs of computer play whether they were there or not. I do disagree on the latter part though, I feel like this sends a clear message that he is sticking to his decision. He doesn't want to play a player with multiple fairplay violations, who also went on to lie about the severity of his cheating when "coming clean". And to be honest, I get that. I wouldn't want to play a cheater either. There are a lot of players who'd deserve a shot at playing in these tournaments. Magnus is simply refusing to play the one who is a proven liar and cheater.
@@noone-ld7pt Why did he play him then? He admitted to ONLINE cheating when he was 12 and 16. Not since. To cheat now in such a high profile event and match when known to be under scrutiny would be absurd and gets into conspiracy theories. What you are stating is an after the fact rationalization for Magnus's bad moves and behaviour.
Always found Anish very likeable, seems like a genuinly nice person.
Basically Anish is pointing out why cheating is so bad in chess. It is corrosive for every player's mind who has to play against someone who is being suspected of cheating, no matter if he actually did.
Accusations of cheating with no evidence are just as bad.
@@pamelajessup7931 he is an admitted cheater
@@mbotela9979 Yeah and? Magnus has touched pieces and lied that he was adjusting. Lying. A cheater.
Banned for life, yes?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics
This is what happens in other sports. Basically any other one of them and his ban would be over.
@@pamelajessup7931 wait, when did magnus touch a piece and lie? Source?
@@pamelajessup7931 Does magnus accuse Hans cheating?? He has free to resign
"hans plays very poorly against me" the needless shade thrown lmao
It is needed. Much more is needed. What they should be doing is throwing that dirty cheater out of professional chess. It destroys the whole name of the sport
@@amberxv4777 guilty until proven innocent, the base of every good law system kekw
@@amberxv4777 L take
@@MultiBagara once a cheater always a cheater
@@Chad.Commenter Eh… There’s been comebacks from cheating in pro sports before. Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, A-Rod. All these guys had successful careers after being caught cheating. They still cheated, but it didn’t stop them from succeeding.
Did Anish just suggested Magnus to go to therapy?! XD
Anish is the best. You can tell he doesn't have a horse in this race but he doesn't just throw his colleagues under the bus. Frank and straight forward with advise to younger GMs. Your reputation is all you've got. Once lost, it's almost impossible to restore
It's nice to know other superGM's thoughts. Magnus and hikaru are more famous but i guess other sgm's are also entertaining
Regardless of whether Hans is cheating or not , Magnus's behaviour is disturbing . Even a statement of reasonable doubt would be enough . These actions smack of petulance .
The problem is we don't know if something is preventing him from saying something (legal stuff probably I'm not too sure)
@@Furytide If what he has cannot be communicated legally, he should continue to assume innocence. I do not believe that Magnus keeps quiet due to legal issues, but if that were the case then either he has something that can be legally shared, or what he has is not enough to justify his current actions. Innocent until proven guilty.
Magnus is trying to be legally correct, but hinting something.
I don't think any rule in chess prevent a player from resigning after first move. Magnus did nothing wrong. If Hans is innocent until proven guilty, then Magnus is also innocent. Let's assume Magnus wanted to pee urgently so he resigned.
He is not allowed to accuse a player of cheating. His actions speak what he can't say. He has every right to do what he's doing. If chess authorities have a shred of sense they wouldn't allow a known cheater to play in a tournament. It's disturbing that this is happening in the first place.
i reqlly forgot about anish observation and kept focusing onthis beautiful drawish endgame
You are true chess lover .
The bar above Anish is actually telling his stance on this situation.
"He keeps bluffing"
Lmao. This might just be the best truth.
Magnus just was salty he lost.
When your participating in the tournament and doing a recap video
Feel sorry for Hans, that was a mixed expression on his face, vouching for him@Hans Niemann.
As always Anish provides a quality perspective. I agree that Magnus needs to sort himself out. Forgoing the chance to make a historic further chess world champion win is already unusual, but within the realm of reasonable decisions. Throwing a tournament based on a suspicion is unprofessional. Not making any public statements and instead just slandering someone else's reputation by leaving a vacuum of speculation is negligent. Refusing to properly participate in a match is disrespectful. Magnus needs to own up to his level of influence and as Danya put it, either "take a shit or come off the pot.".
I disagree. If he doesn't have conclusive evidence then he really can't make a public statement without risking legal repercussions, but he is making his stance very clear in the way he can; He doesn't want to play against a player who has multiple fairplay violations and who then got caught lying about it when "coming clean". They'd probably both signed contracts to play this tournament way before the drama started and Magnus is just sticking to his decision. I'm guessing they won't play many of the same tournaments in the future.
What's disrespectful is that they are making him play against a known cheater and losing 7 elo in one match against an idiot (in Hans own words) because of cheating.
He has every right to withdraw. Every GM believes he is cheating, but now people want to be braindead and say "innocent until proven guilty". He wouldn't have cheated in the first place unless he knew he was getting away with it. He had a history full of cheating incidents and he speaks like an idiots when trying to explain his play. He's obviously a cheater. Every GM can see this clearly but fide are still letting this fucker play while kicking out another player for political comments? Chess has reached a joke level of unprofessionality.
@@noone-ld7pt If he doesn't have conclusive evidence he stays quiet and play instead of behaving like a 5 year old.
@@amberxv4777 nobody is making him play. He could make some excuse and leave his spot on the tournament to someone else who wants to play. He could also retire considering he doesn't even want to defend his title anymore. That would be the right thing to do. Instead he chooses throwing tantrums like a child.
@@amberxv4777 Statistical analysis by Prof. Ken Regan of Niemann's games shows no scientifically significant indication of above average play as compared to opponents and 1000s of analysed games. What it reveals is that Niemann's opponents tend to play below their level against him.
Magnus has a weird understanding of right and justice. Because in case there is NO evidence, NO proof, it is wrong to accuse a person - only because this person had done wrongly prior in his life. Up to now all is only gossip and rumor. With such an attitude like Magnus’s, our legal system would not work.
Wise words from Giri.
1:22 I love when AG genuinely praises Magnus :)
Always lovely to hear from Anish. He really sorts shit out.
Imagine losing to guy whose motto is chess speaks for itself
Well spoken and neutral observation giri
Editor : Finally some food
Anish always keeping it 100.
Seems like Magnus will be like Fisher one day 😂
Legend on same track it seems.
Magnus is such a snowflake
bla bla bla
- video ends
- WHAT?? WHAT DID MAGNUS MOVE?????????
PS: they could have talked 3 min more, i didnt mind 😒
Never give a dog a bad name because it is a dog.
Mag baby simply got outplayed. You want the truth you can’t stand the truth. The truth is you want me on that board, you need me on that board.
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OK, expert!
"You're not going anywhere, Colonel!"
"He cheated so I made a series of suboptimal moves" isn't a great theory.
"Drawing is better than winning or so my actions speak"
Dude, I bet Magnus just got shredded by someone rated lower, making 2900 really difficult to get, then hans goes on the attack in the interview, Magnus is also about to give up WC title… I think he’s just acting like a child. Hans rise / games have been analyzed and found to be clean
me fiiiiiiiiiiirst
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wow, the greatest achievement of your life...
@@BinuJasim Hopefully not lol
Magnus Carlsen - the new chess clown.
Niemann should sue Carlsen for millions due to reputation damage.
There isn't even a case for defamation dude
If you think about it; the reason why he hasn't made any public statements might be to avoid exactly that.
Like what are you suggesting the would the lawsuit be at this point?
"Hans Nieman sues Magnus Carlsen for posting a vague Jose Morinho meme that people interpreted as an accusation towards Hans, and this resulted in people finding out about his cheating history, that he then went on to lie about on an official broadcast."
Doesn't really sound like a strong case to me.
He confessed to cheating more than once, but there are far more reasons this doesn’t make sense.
@@noone-ld7pt Don't worry, good lawyers are 1.000 times smarter than you and me together. They will find the proper reasons. They always do, its their job.
@@kamisama2616 Of course there is, the fact that you don't see it, it does not mean that there isn't it.
Very simply Hans got into Magnus's head before he lost the first game. Magnus's level dropped. And if the better player's level drops and the other plays to his maximum potential the tables can be turned easily. That's the simplest explanation and per Occam's razor should be accepted without evidence to the contrary. With this resignation Magnus just looks psyched out snd scared.
That absolutely makes no sense at all.
I agree to some extent. I think Magnus went to the table knowing of Hans alledged cheating online and started seeing signs of computer play whether they were there or not.
I do disagree on the latter part though, I feel like this sends a clear message that he is sticking to his decision. He doesn't want to play a player with multiple fairplay violations, who also went on to lie about the severity of his cheating when "coming clean".
And to be honest, I get that. I wouldn't want to play a cheater either. There are a lot of players who'd deserve a shot at playing in these tournaments. Magnus is simply refusing to play the one who is a proven liar and cheater.
@@noone-ld7pt Why did he play him then? He admitted to ONLINE cheating when he was 12 and 16. Not since. To cheat now in such a high profile event and match when known to be under scrutiny would be absurd and gets into conspiracy theories. What you are stating is an after the fact rationalization for Magnus's bad moves and behaviour.
The explanation that makes the least assumptions is more likely to be true, but isn't necessarily always true.
I agree