The problem with GM-level play is, that some concepts can only really be explained by another GM. If the commentators don't understand the moves, how should they do more, that telling what the engine tells them?
@@reyco-hp4uf he uses it rarely.he doesn’t says move by move what the evaluation of the engine says.He first gives his insights into the position and then says the engine is recommending this move.If that’s the commentary you want then it’s better to just show the engine big on the screen .
@@reyco-hp4uf k have seen Hikaru commentate also and he mentions the engine just for once or only when there is a very insane move ,rest he just commentates from a human POV
I love that they bring on commentators that are there only to read off the engine evaluation bar since the engine isn't able to talk. That's so nice of them.
Anyone else think she’s faking the accent? Like I imagine she has a perfect upper class English accent naturally but she puts on the ohhhverrrrr ex-ajj-irrr-ayyyyted Indian accent for effect
3:26 How is this one ever genius? It's the only move you could possibly do and not win. You could have promoted to Queen or Rook and won. You could have moved King and still won because a pawn is technically enough material to win. The only way you draw is by underpromoting to a knight or bishop. This is not genius. This is arguably the biggest blunder in chess history.
It's genius because white had mate in 1 for Nc2# if black promoted to anything other than a Knight, White could premove that mate. Because Black underpromoted and put the White king in check, White couldn't react in time and and caused a draw due to time.
5:02 good play but isnt it just better to make a queen here i mean its a nice idea to make the horse but then if he made a queen it wouldve be favorable endgame for him or just trade of queen for rook, also being favored to him
Black gets checkmated if Black didn't underpromote to get a check on the White king. If Black makes a queen there, Qh8+, Black King has to go g4 as any other move leads to mate in 1, Rxg6+, Kf5 only move, Qf6# Edit: Just saw that g2 doesn't lead to mate in 1 but it still leads to mate. Kg2, Rxg6+, Kf1, Qh1#
@@mcawesome4150 Just stop. It's just a compilation video. Literally the easiest form of content you can make. Edit a few clips together and boom done. I've done my fair share of compilations since I was a kid and it's not "insane" work. Stop overusing these words for effect.
3:44 I don't understand, this underpromotion just postponed the mate but didn't stop it right? As long as white avoid check he'll put black in zugzwang then checkmate with Nc2#. Levon still had time why did he just freeze?
look at the time buddy - he froze because he didnt expect the underpromotion and expected a queen promotion in which case he would just checkmate, but since he promoted to knight he was in check and couldnt make a move in 1 second
@Someone-hi1nt In reality, he delayed his checkmate by five moves by underpromoting the pawn to the knight and giving the king the check. This means that black must move the king, and because the opponent was pressed for time, that's all that happened.
@@aemio4717 You are wrong, white just needed to move Knight on c2 to win by checkmate, and probably pre-moved and thought he won, that knight promotion from black was pure madness
What? How? If you are talking about Re1+ Kd6 Rd1+ Ke7 Rxd8 Kxd8 the black pawn is promoting into a queen. So white is not up a rook because it can't take it.
Maybe think before you comment? After Kd6 then the skewer with the rook, the white king ends up on d8, black queens and white queens after, but black has the resource Qf8+, picking up the rook, which will be followed by a theoretically winning endgame with blacks 2 extra pawns. Maybe don't try and coach super gms buddy.
@@Ewheii What are you talking about bruh after rook takes queen you play Rh7+ first to avoid the fork. Queen trade and the other black pawn goes so it's at least a draw. Maybe analyze for more than a second before you comment so confidently and aggresively ._. are you 500 or something?
If you get into a position where your opponent is winning even if they underpromote, you may have been disrespectful first, by playing on instead of resigning before it happens
@@RadkeMaiden there's more to being respectful than just following the rulebook, just like you can be disrespectful in real life even if you're not breaking any laws
At 3:45 the computer said it's a draw by insufficient material, but it's not insufficient material, black mate is possible, should have been black win.
If by “black mate” you meant that it's possible to checkmate then you are correct. But it seems that you didn't read the line completely. It is written "Draw by timeout and insufficient material". What happened is white ran out of time. Normally white should lose because they ran out of time but there is this special rule. According to this rule, if one side has the sufficient material to checkmate while the other side does not have sufficient material to checkmate, and the side with the sufficient material runs out of time, then the games ends in a draw. It happens because one side had sufficient material to checkmate but ran out of time, while the other side did not have sufficient material to checkmate. Hope that helps
@@dalydas7037 My point is that in this position both sides had sufficient material to checkmate. White ran out of time, it is still possible for black to checkmate the white king with the knight, so black should have been declared the winner.
@@tomekczajka The only way black can checkmate with just K and N is if white actively tries to get checkmated, as whites king needs to be forced into the corner plus block his kings only escape square with one of his own pieces. It's only considered sufficient checkmating material if black has enough material to checkmate against a lone king. However that's not possible as with best play you can't checkmate with only a knight and king.
@@AdamGaffney96 The rules don't say "it's a win if you can force checkmate against the best play". What they say is that if the opponent runs out of time, it's a win if there is any legal sequence of moves that leads to a checkmate. With your version of the rules white running out of time on move 1 of the game would probably be a draw because there is probably no forced checkmate for black in the starting position.
@@tomekczajka Sorry you might have seen my original comment, I misspoke and edited it. It's specifically if any sequence could win against a lone king. I think there has to be a certain cut-off where they assume you're not going to just checkmate yourself. Then there's the extra question of even in this hypothetical scenario where you do want to checkmate yourself against your opponents knight, you'd still have to do it within the 50 move rule. I don't think anyone would argue that black could seriously checkmate white here even assuming poor play. It'd have to be the worst play of all time.
I hate when commentators commentate through the engine only and then judge players based of that
Yeah, that's not even commentating. I could read the engine if that's what I wanted
The problem with GM-level play is, that some concepts can only really be explained by another GM. If the commentators don't understand the moves, how should they do more, that telling what the engine tells them?
@@PutinOnTheRitzexactly even super gms like naroditsky needs engine sometimes rt]]to see other top gms insights... so idk what this dude expects
@@reyco-hp4uf he uses it rarely.he doesn’t says move by move what the evaluation of the engine says.He first gives his insights into the position and then says the engine is recommending this move.If that’s the commentary you want then it’s better to just show the engine big on the screen .
@@reyco-hp4uf k have seen Hikaru commentate also and he mentions the engine just for once or only when there is a very insane move ,rest he just commentates from a human POV
I wish they would show a separate board for the commentators engine predictions. Really annoying how it interrupts the actual game with speculation.
It's astounding that they don't realize how annoying they are
If you're talking about the last game, they do. The main game is bottom right, the left is the commentators' board
yeh i hate it, a way for them to show off or sumsht
World Class from Magnus
Duh
That's... kind of the point. He's generally seen as the best chess player to ever live for a reason.
It is amazing how, just by knowing this is a video about underpromotion, we are able to see genius moves none of us would ever find in a real match.
I don't think it's that hard to spot, it's like en passant, it's rare moves but if you try to keep in mind, it can be natural
Commentators always lose it when it gets to an endgame in blitz lmao
Yeah, I think ive never see him smile in the game
The last game is just a rollercoaster moment. What a game
*Anand damn near shat himself when Magnus made that knight 😂*
I love that they bring on commentators that are there only to read off the engine evaluation bar since the engine isn't able to talk.
That's so nice of them.
Awesome video idea 🤙
Nice video!
2K SUBSCRIBERS NO WAY
7:45 "He is smiling, and he is smiling back, what happened there, WOOOOOW" worst commentary I ever witnessed...
Hahahaha
Facts so annoying istg
can u reupload with tania muted pls?
Exactly, so annoying
whos tania
@@thrii_ the annoying one
@@kaushalagrawal6258😂☠️
Anyone else think she’s faking the accent? Like I imagine she has a perfect upper class English accent naturally but she puts on the ohhhverrrrr ex-ajj-irrr-ayyyyted Indian accent for effect
3:26 How is this one ever genius? It's the only move you could possibly do and not win. You could have promoted to Queen or Rook and won. You could have moved King and still won because a pawn is technically enough material to win. The only way you draw is by underpromoting to a knight or bishop. This is not genius. This is arguably the biggest blunder in chess history.
Where could he possibly move the king?
It's genius because white had mate in 1 for Nc2# if black promoted to anything other than a Knight, White could premove that mate. Because Black underpromoted and put the White king in check, White couldn't react in time and and caused a draw due to time.
Anand smiling like he’s got it and celebrating before the game is over and then loses 😂😂😂 what a clown
I think he smiles because he thought that was a draw but yeah he didn't think he could lose there lol
the south asian accent is unlistenable
Nakamura is so badass that he checkmates his opponent by promoting to a knight...
I thought that second one was gonna be where hikaru underpromoted and lost as a result
Yet another masterful trolling by Sasha Grischuk
Vishy vs Magnus was such a beautiful game! im in awe!
What about the time Hikaru solved a puzzle by underpromoting to a bishop to prevent stalemate?
3:40 I’m laughing at their reaction so hard.
Daniel and Robert is honestly the best duo commentators
@@the_real_vdegenne Facts
that knight promotion fork from Magnus makes me want to take a bath.
3:45 Black should have won on fide rules
Great video this is fantastic
I want to see a promotion to a pawn, and it be used for just blocking.
You are new to chess aren't you?
Vidit under promotion vs parham missing in this
why he didnt make knight at first one
it's a draw no matter what he makes
Magnus ain't human
Gosh
5:02 good play but isnt it just better to make a queen here i mean its a nice idea to make the horse but then if he made a queen it wouldve be favorable endgame for him or just trade of queen for rook, also being favored to him
Black gets checkmated if Black didn't underpromote to get a check on the White king.
If Black makes a queen there, Qh8+, Black King has to go g4 as any other move leads to mate in 1, Rxg6+, Kf5 only move, Qf6#
Edit: Just saw that g2 doesn't lead to mate in 1 but it still leads to mate. Kg2, Rxg6+, Kf1, Qh1#
its just sad that such genius moves are commentated on by such midwit-level intelligences
so cool
I don't understand how karjakian got a stalemate
Levon ran out of time
Wasn't a stalemate, it was draw by opponent running out of time
he didnt lmao
the amount of work to compile these videos are insane
Insane? He downloads videos and makes a compilation with crappy subtitles. You call that insane work?
@@Scyrixus Yes, it takes a lot of dedication to find all these moments, thousands of hours of video to go through
@@mcawesome4150 Just stop. It's just a compilation video. Literally the easiest form of content you can make. Edit a few clips together and boom done. I've done my fair share of compilations since I was a kid and it's not "insane" work. Stop overusing these words for effect.
@@Scyrixus Okay so how would you find every case where for example grandmasters has mouse slipped a move and make it increasingly more brutal?
@@mcawesome4150 search up "grandmasters mouse slip" and you'll find a bunch of clips
3:44 I don't understand, this underpromotion just postponed the mate but didn't stop it right? As long as white avoid check he'll put black in zugzwang then checkmate with Nc2#. Levon still had time why did he just freeze?
look at the time buddy - he froze because he didnt expect the underpromotion and expected a queen promotion in which case he would just checkmate, but since he promoted to knight he was in check and couldnt make a move in 1 second
@Someone-hi1nt thank you I was lost as well.
@Someone-hi1nt In reality, he delayed his checkmate by five moves by underpromoting the pawn to the knight and giving the king the check. This means that black must move the king, and because the opponent was pressed for time, that's all that happened.
@@aemio4717 You are wrong, white just needed to move Knight on c2 to win by checkmate, and probably pre-moved and thought he won, that knight promotion from black was pure madness
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Man those indian accents sound like broken glass in my ears
wow casual racism in UA-cam comments?
9:09
couldn't white move the king to b2?
yes he could actually you're right
I think Magnus used need to play Knight E2 then, kick away the queen and then just walk the pawn down.
Possible but then pawn C3 comes with check, and you got to move anyway so it just loses a tempo.
@@Tehkenny1oh yeah i forgot the kight also protects c3 there
@@Fyafliif he moves the pawn you can take with the queen and he can't take back bc it's guarded by the king
The vidit vs giri game was such bs bro. Just king d6 after rook check and white would end up with extra rook
What? How? If you are talking about Re1+ Kd6 Rd1+ Ke7 Rxd8 Kxd8 the black pawn is promoting into a queen. So white is not up a rook because it can't take it.
Maybe think before you comment? After Kd6 then the skewer with the rook, the white king ends up on d8, black queens and white queens after, but black has the resource Qf8+, picking up the rook, which will be followed by a theoretically winning endgame with blacks 2 extra pawns. Maybe don't try and coach super gms buddy.
@@Ewheii What are you talking about bruh after rook takes queen you play Rh7+ first to avoid the fork. Queen trade and the other black pawn goes so it's at least a draw. Maybe analyze for more than a second before you comment so confidently and aggresively ._. are you 500 or something?
sir pls do no redeeeeeem the queen!!!!
Commentators are annoying
It's just disrespectful and can only be justified if underpromoting to a knight gives immediate advantage over promoting to a queen.
If you get into a position where your opponent is winning even if they underpromote, you may have been disrespectful first, by playing on instead of resigning before it happens
How about this? Playing according to FIDE rules is respectful, and breaking FIDE rules is disrespectful.
@@RadkeMaiden there's more to being respectful than just following the rulebook, just like you can be disrespectful in real life even if you're not breaking any laws
Since nobody else has mentioned it, there's also underpromoting to avoid stalemate.
Well, you might also do it to not make a draw on accident.
At 3:45 the computer said it's a draw by insufficient material, but it's not insufficient material, black mate is possible, should have been black win.
If by “black mate” you meant that it's possible to checkmate then you are correct. But it seems that you didn't read the line completely. It is written "Draw by timeout and insufficient material". What happened is white ran out of time. Normally white should lose because they ran out of time but there is this special rule. According to this rule, if one side has the sufficient material to checkmate while the other side does not have sufficient material to checkmate, and the side with the sufficient material runs out of time, then the games ends in a draw. It happens because one side had sufficient material to checkmate but ran out of time, while the other side did not have sufficient material to checkmate. Hope that helps
@@dalydas7037 My point is that in this position both sides had sufficient material to checkmate. White ran out of time, it is still possible for black to checkmate the white king with the knight, so black should have been declared the winner.
@@tomekczajka The only way black can checkmate with just K and N is if white actively tries to get checkmated, as whites king needs to be forced into the corner plus block his kings only escape square with one of his own pieces. It's only considered sufficient checkmating material if black has enough material to checkmate against a lone king. However that's not possible as with best play you can't checkmate with only a knight and king.
@@AdamGaffney96 The rules don't say "it's a win if you can force checkmate against the best play".
What they say is that if the opponent runs out of time, it's a win if there is any legal sequence of moves that leads to a checkmate.
With your version of the rules white running out of time on move 1 of the game would probably be a draw because there is probably no forced checkmate for black in the starting position.
@@tomekczajka Sorry you might have seen my original comment, I misspoke and edited it. It's specifically if any sequence could win against a lone king. I think there has to be a certain cut-off where they assume you're not going to just checkmate yourself.
Then there's the extra question of even in this hypothetical scenario where you do want to checkmate yourself against your opponents knight, you'd still have to do it within the 50 move rule. I don't think anyone would argue that black could seriously checkmate white here even assuming poor play. It'd have to be the worst play of all time.