Betta Fry Development: From Day 1 to Show size!
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2020
- This video will give you an impression of the average growth rate & development of the fry in my "Betta Territory" from day one to show size!
The fry featured in this video are from two spawns:
- BT270819A - Yellow HMPK male x darkbody yellow HMPK female: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT270819...
- BT270819C - Platinum white HMPK male x steel blue HMPK female: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT270819...
Because the color of the parents of both spawns is so different it is not problem to let the fry grow up together as I can trace their heritage easily back based on their color phenotype.
The color of the offspring is depending on the genetic traits the parents are carrying and how they are inherited. More information on this can be found in the following videos:
- Part I: • Part I: Betta Genetics...
- Part II: • Part II: Betta Genetic...
For more information about How to Spawn Show Bettas, please click here: • How To Spawn Show Bettas!
For some videos on the various types of Live Betta food I use to feed by fish, please click here:
- Baby Brine Shrimp: • Betta Food: Baby Brine...
- Vinegar Eels: • Betta Food: Vinegar Eels
- Rephasy Gel Food: • Betta Food: Repashy Ge...
- Tubifex: • Betta Food: Tubifex
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I watch this every week to make sure my fry are growing at a good rate 🤣
Omg same 😂
Same ate 😆
Am also , same
same HAHAHAHA
Thank you, happy to hear you find this video useful. Thank you for your support 🙏.
After keeping fish for 18 years, bettas are still my favourite
Great to hear that! Bettas are just amazing fish and can not imagine a life without them anymore.
I can't begin to tell you how happy and satisfying this video is.
Thank you 🙏.
Cute you can tell that they love your attention.
Thank you for the complete guide from fry to show size.... We need more video like this... Keep it up!!!
Thank you for your reaction 🙏.
Well done on your informative video! Bettas is my passion and your video nailed it. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for your kind message 🙏. Happy to hear you liked the video.
I appreciate you for making this video! I had just rescued two very young Betta fry earlier today (December 28, 2020) and was desperately trying to find the age of these two youngsters. They're both the same length (roughly 1.125"), although Dip seems slightly older than Dot. Since doing more research, I have since concluded that Dot is likely 5-6 weeks old, Dip being around 7-8 weeks old. So, again, I must thank you for sharing your experience and informative video! 😁
Thank you 🙏.
I watch this every day just for my fish growth!
Thank you for this video! It helped me a lot with my Betta fry :)
Happy to hear that, thank you 🙏.
results?
Very valuable video. I love this. Thank. And your camera focus very good.
Thank you for your support 🙏.
love seeing their development over time, nice video!👍
Thank you for your comment 🙏.
Best video ever watched on betta cycle.
Thank you 🙏.
This is what ive been waiting for... A video like this!!!
Gorge tops nice to read your enthousiastic reaction, thank you 🙏.
Is Eggyolk Good for fry bettas?
My first batch of fries has delayed growth but now I monitored them and I see them grow everyday also I have a second batch Wich is 2 weeks old and this is the exiting part because I know all the steps for them to take care of them
I have about 200 fry that hatched six days ago. I've been feeding them baby brine shrimp and Hikari first bites. So far, so good. I'm wondering what to do with them all later on..
Same feeling
Can we get an update please.. how did you manage 200 fry... Did they all survive??
Thank you for this video. It is really informative 👍
Thank you for watching and taking the time to leave a comment 🙏.
Vertically hanging in the bubble nest. 😜 Very good video. Thanks.
Thank you for IDEAS AND TIPS
Thank you for watching & leaving a comment 🙏👊.
I breeded alien wild male with hmpk copper female... Could you pls guess the result for me.. Very eager to see the result
So informative! Thanks! A few questions. How large should grow out tank be? Is 10gal enough? How do you maintain the jars after separating the males? Daily water change?
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment. With respect to your question on tanksize there is not one universal answer which applies to all. My own tanks are relatively small (~30L). But my spawns are divided over multiple tanks (often based on the size of the fry) in order to prevent the tanks from being too crowded.
In order to get an impression of how I chance water in my Betta Territory, please have a look at the following video: ua-cam.com/video/zEGMtBiRZ84/v-deo.html
I hope this information is useful to you.
Solid
Thank you for your guidance ❤️
Awesome video, honestly one of the best I have seen so far. Have few Q - how often do you feed your fry? Some do it 3 times a day - some every 3 hrs. Second - in video on water change I saw that your younger fry does not have air filter - at what stage do you put in the tank? And last - have you used grindal worm to feed your fry? I just been using it and it works great for me because I take worms and and add cup of water to them and then rise it with through same sieve as for vinegar eels and get tiny grindal worm ,so even the smallest fry can eat it and worms live up to 4 days in the water. really hope to hear what you think and hope to see more videos on raising fry
Thank you for your taking the time to leave a comment. In general I feed by fish usually two times a day (morning and evening). I do not use any filtration in my spawning tanks, I add a small sponge filter when the fry are about 4 weeks of age. I have no experience with feeding grindal worms myself. Good luck raising your fry.
@@BettaTerritory thank you! Follow up on it - what about air ? Do you use air stone at any point? And what about light? How long is fry has lights? Read studies that light 24-7 helps fish to grow faster and stronger
No
@@KILLERGAMING-zg5dy yes
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Great job with the video...very informative.
Thank you 🙏.
how to feed the betta fries?
There's always that 3 fry's that grows very fast than the rest 😂 I got this fry's rn and they're doing good healthy babies
Great INFO !! Thanks
is egg yolk good for betta fry
HI Sir , it is really an excellent video , when fries starts swimming freely after 3 days, what you will feed from 3 to 10 days , will the fries start eating brine shrimp from beginning itself ?
Thank you 🙏. At 1:05 min of the video the fry has entered the free swimming stage, I then feed vinegar eels and newly hatched BBS. Usually the fry will start eating BBS without problems but it also is depending on the size of the BBS and the size of the fry (don't breed your fish too young/immature).
How come mine don't have swim bladder problems
Adorable kinda like baby chickens but don't have to worry about predators..they respond to a kind voice especially when it's time to eat.
Hi,what a great content
Also, what is the breed of their parent?
Because some of your spawns are yellow solid and coopper.
Are their parent different?
Thank you
The fish in the video are from two different spawns which grew up together. Here a link to their full spawn-logs:
- www.bettaterritory.nl/BT270819A.htm
- www.bettaterritory.nl/BT270819C.htm
Nicely done...!
Stan De Jong thank you for your comment & support 🙏.
Awesome Vid!! Thank you.
Thank you 🙏
Do you get then together or u separate them? If so when the time to separate them?🤔
Great channel and video Joep!
Do you have any experience with breeding wild type bettas?
When I compare my smaragdina fry with the ones in your video, my fry didnt seem to have the fase of not being able to support whole body during swimming with the swim bladder stretching.. can you share your experience?
@vredeling Thank you for your support 🙏.
How old are your fry at the moment?
About 35 days freeswimming now. They're different sizes, but you can already see a stretched blatter on the big ones (1- 1.5cm). They also have black horizontal stripe alrdy.
The smaller ones I can see the blatter still about 25% or so. But with daily observation I never saw one fry developing but struggling to swim upright? Kept me wondering...
Great video!
Thank you 🙏.
Thankyou sir,
Very useful and high quality video.
Thank you for helping Soo many new breeders through this video.
Thank you for watching and the kind comment. I am happy to hear you found the video useful 🙏.
It is normal that male betta eating there own fry? At 1 to 2 days old?
Superb bro , thanks alot
Welcome 😊
Thank you for sharing.
Very well... i love this video
Thank you 🙏
What if I put 2 baby male bettas in one , would they fight when they grew up?
Yes
Just curious how many time a day do you feed bbs to 1st week to 1 month .
I love watching your channel sometimes over and over I watch cause the information is so useful . Thank you for sharing . Keep up the Awesome videos . God bless 😁🙏
Thank you so much for your comment, excited to read this 🙏. I feed my fish twice a day (morning and evening).
@@BettaTerritory Thank you brother for responding so quickly . Thanks to people like you that take this hobby to a whole new level . Hats off to you . Aloha . 😁🙏
this is very interesting! if the betta we have follows this similarly, shes only about 8 to 9 weeks old, shes tiny compared to our older male betta
Hey what should I do if my water is tuning green at 5 weeks
Green water not necesarily is a problem for the fish. What does the tank look like? How many hours of light is there? What are you feeding?
Very nice. Thank you 😊
Hi good evening can i ask you something,is it possible that i can pack my 2weeks olf fry? Is it gonna die? I'm traveling for maybe 15hours because I'm going back to my home town is if okey to repack it?
108/5000
Do you use several green, plastic wires in the aquarium to protect the less aggressive fish?
This material is Eheim Fix. It is normally used in mechanical filters. In my spawning and grow-out tanks it does not have a filter function, but it provides a hide-out for my fish.
How big should a male tank be?
What should i do? Some of my fry now are showing aggression
How old/big are your fish now? When they are starting to become more dominant/aggressive it is important to closely observe the behaviour of your fish. Personally I usually jar my fish at an age of 2,5-4 months (depending on growth rate/development and behaviour), see 4:50 min in the video. I hope this answers your question?
At what age or size should you start to jar bettas
Thank you for asking your question. The fry are raised together up to the point where the first males start to become territorial. It is therefore important to closely observe the behaviour of your fish. Personally I usually jar my fish at an age of 2,5-4 months (depending on growth rate/development and behaviour), see 4:50 min in the video. I hope this answers your question?
Video as always very interesting and constructive, thank you very much...😉🙏
Thank you Marco ❤️🙏
@@BettaTerritory 😍😍
Very good videos to watch. thank for sharing :)
Thank you 🙏!
@@BettaTerritory you are welcome
Hi there, love your work. Some of my fry are struggling to support their bottom half at the 3 week stage like you mentioned in the video. Is this pretty normal as the swim bladder develops towards the peduncle then? Does it generally resolve? Or is this something I should be addressing by feeding less. Thanks!
Sorry for the late reply. I think all hobbyists encounter these problems from time to time. In my opinion this problem is caused by the fact that the swimbladder is not fully stretched towards the peduncle. In young fish it is easy to watch the development of the swimbladder. In the first 3-6 weeks, the swimbladder need to stretch itself along the spine from the stomach towards the peduncle. When this does not happen, it will be impossible for the fish to swim properly and you will get a so-called belly slider. I personally do not think it is genetic but more an environmental thing related to feeding.
In some cases SBD solves itself in young bettas in the first month, but when the fish gets older to my experience the chance of solving this is nearly zero.
By altering the feeding regimen I think I have quite good results so far in solving this in the first few weeks. By seperating the youngsters affected with SBD at a young age and by feeding them very minimally with chopped tubifex I have gained good experiences. Yes, their growth will be a bit slower initially but in my own experience they usually will catch completely when their swimbladder has recovered (read: stretched towards the peduncle). This can take 2-3 weeks. So oberserve them closely for the coming time.
In the following video you can see how I 'cut/chop' the tubifex at 1:15 min. This method also works with live or frozen blood worms:
ua-cam.com/video/1OEXIk7sOJE/v-deo.html
Hope this is of any help to you. Good luck 🤞!
@@BettaTerritory Thanks so much for replying! Very useful info
can i feed infusoria for first few two weeks?
It is no problem to feed infusoria for the first days (like I use vinegar eels in the video) after the fry has absorbed the yolksac and entered the free-swimming days. But I would advise to feed newly hatched BBS after that to provide more nutrition.
Hey dude! Im just wondering, how much gallons is ur growth out tank for ur betta?
I second that question ...🤔
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Danke 🙏!
Thanks for sharing ❤
Thank you for watching 🙏.
What type of my betta,his color is there head is black but there half color body is blue and the tail is blue, my fish is male
The fish in this video are steel blue. When the head is not colored they are referred to as 'black head' when the head is also (partially) colored steel blue they are referred to as 'mask'. I hope this answers your question?
Pls suggest homemade food for betta fry
Is it okay if I feed them brine at 2 days after hatching
Two days after hatching, Betta fry usually has just entered the free-swimming stage. Whether they can eat BBS at this stage usually is depending on the size of the fry (genetics) and the size of the newly hatched BBS (brand/origin). I have done this in the past without any problems. Good luck.
Would all of them have the same colour? If they do would they be the same as the parents?
The fry featured in this video are from two spawns:
- BT270819A - Yellow HMPK male x darkbody yellow HMPK female: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT270819A.htm
- BT270819C - Platinum white HMPK male x steel blue HMPK female: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT270819C.htm
The color of the offspring is depending on the genetic traits the parents are carrying and how they are inherited. More information on this can be found in the following videos:
- Part I: ua-cam.com/video/PfZXwwKHI68/v-deo.html
- Part II: ua-cam.com/video/b6aPCk_e7lE/v-deo.html
How often should I feed baby bettas from 1-3 days old?
I personally start feeding when the fish have entered the free-swimming stage and the father has been removed. This usually happens 1-2 days after hatching when the yolk-sac has been absorbed.
After this I feed vinegar eels for 1-3 days with and then switch to newly hatched BBS. I feed two times a day (morning and evening). I hope this is of any help to you. Good luck!
This is really a good video. I just started having bettas as my pet fish. Currently I have two. Both are males (jack and red). I would like to know how often should i change their water? As of now, i am doing it once a week. Is that okay?
Thank you Vanessa 🙏. Nice to hear you have two Bettas youself. How often you should change their water is also depending on the way you keep them (housing and feeding frequency). Personally keep my individually housed fish in bare 2.5-3L jars on a constant temperature (some are in a drip system). Here I siphon the bottom and change 40-60% of the water every 2-4 days. Can you tell me a bit more about how they are housed and how often and what you are feeding them?
Betta Territory my first betta is in a 2.5 gallon tank and the 2nd one is in a 5 gallons. Both tanks have aquaplants in the hope to make them happy. I feed them atleast once or twice a day. I use the maxflo pellet in the morning like 6 to 8 pcs then late after noon i would give them tubifex worm (freeze dried)..
For the water, i use tap water 💦 and then i would drop some methylene blue (drops would be according to their tank size) and then i always make sure they have talisay dried leave.
Thank you for sharing your videos,it helps a lot like me I just got started to breed Bettas New subscriber here
Thank you for watching 🙏! Happy to hear you found the video useful.
Bro i don't have bbs what to do
Why does my betta fries stay at the bottom of the container even though they are already 3 day old? Pls notice me
This can vary a bit from spawn to spawn. They are probably looking for food. What are you feeding them?
What is a good way to do water change?
I have made a video some time ago on how I do waterchanges in my fishroom, I hope this answers your question. Please have a look here: ua-cam.com/video/zEGMtBiRZ84/v-deo.html
Awesome video
Thank you 🙏!
Some of my fry are in good size but there are some that is too small like a week old.
Thanks for this video it helped me a lot and please provide the link for the betta fry food also😁
Happy to hear you enjoyed the video 🙏.
For more information about the fry food I use, click here: ua-cam.com/play/PLUJF09hw7hlJFdT4FrNmQthmn0MiqtK-T.html
How many times to feed per day say at 12.29 weeks old?
I personally feed my fish two times per day.
Can u mix breed different type of Betta??
There are many different Betta species. These can not all be interbred. The species within the Betta splendens complex (Betta splendens, imbellis, mahachaiensis, smaragdina and stiktos) can be interbred although not all crosses will result in viable offspring.
Domesticated Betta splendens or showbettas exist in many different color- and finnagevariations. These can be mixed although responsible breeders only do these crosses with a certain goal (improvement of color/form and/or the development of a new variation). I hope this answers your question a bit?
How to grow betta fries faster?
Is there such a thing as an aquarium so large or built in such a way that it can house more then one male Betta and multiple females? Not thinking about doing it just wondering because Bettas are usually in such small tanks.
Bettas are solitary animals which in their natural habitat live in shallow pools which are often poor in oxygen. It therefore is no problem to keep Bettas in smaller (nano)aquaria ranging from 2-30 liter as long as they are kept at constant temperature and provided with quality food and regular water changes. Square aquaria/jars are preferred above round bowls/jars. It is not advisable to keep a male together with one or multiple females for a longer time. Off course exceptions always exist but in general this will lead to unnecessary stress and damage due to chasing and fights. In case you want to breed Bettas it is highly recommended to prepare a seperate spawning tank and to gather all information possible in order to know what to expect and to prevent dissapointments.
I saw a large indoor pond that a person had built in his home on Reddit. He said it was 100+ gallons. It was built like a koi pond in the floor. It was planted with a lot of aquatic and semi-aquatic plants. He said he keeps two male and five female bettas. I do not know if this works out, and I'm not recommending it... but he seemed pretty experienced.
Betta Imbellis (Peaceful Betta) can be kept in groups.
I don’t think u can
People have done it. There's a UA-camr who has like a 75 gallon densely planted with 2 males and multiple females, but I can't quite remember her name.
Such a good video😇😇
Thank you 🙏.
Awesome video. Our fry is on the 3rd day.
Thank you 🙏. Congratulations with your spawn. Do you already have some food ready when they enter the free-swimming stage?
If you overfeed them will they developed swimbladder disease? I saw a few of your bettas in this video with swinbladder problem. How you managed to fix that problem?
Water change and clean water will help. Feeding too much bbs develope swim bladder disease
I have a question, you bred 2 mustard gas but the baby fry that comes out of it are mostly pure blue and mostly yellow, but didnt inherit the blue and yellow mixed colors from their parents, why did that happen?
I did not cross two mustard gas fish 😉. The fry featured in this video are from two spawns:
- BT270819A - Yellow HMPK male x darkbody yellow HMPK female: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT270819A.htm
- BT270819C - Platinum white HMPK male x steel blue HMPK female: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT270819C.htm
Because the color of the parents of both spawns is so different it is not problem to let the fry grow up together as I can trace their heritage easily back based on their color phenotype.
@@BettaTerritory oh wait sorry i actually watched video from someone breeding two mustard gas fish before this vid and i kinda thought it was the same video xD im so stupid thanks for reminding
@@janpatrickmadronero4719 no worries. Hope you enjoyed the video nevertheless. Thank you for watching 🙏.
What am I supposed to do with all the new fish?
This is one of the many aspects to think about before you start breeding. Most hobbyists give/sell fish to other hobbyists and aquariumstores and/or cull.
Does we need to separate the male betta
Yes in order to promote a good development and to prevent damage, males should be individually housed. Personally I seperate them when they start showing dominant behaviour and become agressive to siblings in the grow-out tank.
Can 24 day fry live with adult betas in a big pond?
I don't think it's a good idea to put fry together with adult bettas
How do you tell the difference between the male and females
Longfinned males and females usually are easy to distuingish based on the longer finnage. But in general, males usually have a different bodyshape, larger and more voluminous finnage.
Maybe this link to my website is of help here: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT-AABAnatomy.htm
Just wondering how often you do water changes and how you do them as to not shock the fry? Is there anychance you could make a video on this?
I usually change 40-60% water every 2-3 days. I hope these videos are useful to you:
- ua-cam.com/video/zEGMtBiRZ84/v-deo.html
- ua-cam.com/video/qgFW-XiIS6w/v-deo.html
@@BettaTerritory Thank you!
Hi ... I m nilantha i like your vidio and it s gave me to lot of things thanks for that. I have a quaction . can i know whithing how many days can we use (the fish we use to breeding) to next breeding? I think you could understand my quaction .thank You .
Depending on the growthrate, Bettas already can be spawned at 3-4 months of age. But personally I want my fish to be fully developed before I spawn. At 3-4 months most young fish look very balanced, but I also want them to be balanced throughout their entire lives. I therefore personally spawn my fish usually between 7-12 months of age.
More on this here: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT-AABselectivebreeding.htm
Do you recommend lyophilized tubifex as a substitute for live tubifex?
Personally I have never fed freeze dryed tubifex.
i accidentally placed food in my breeding tub too early, will it harm the fry if they eat it
What food are you using and how old are the fry?
Sir where to find infusoria cause my fry don't grow they are no 3 weeks old and there sizes is like 3 day old fry plss help me cause I'm just a biggener
Put them in a bigger tank they produce three ones which stops the growth of others around them in small spaces
I just saw another video about a person feeding the fry with eggyolk+water. In ur opinion is it good sir?I dont hv any brtta fry food noe with me☹
Personally I have no experience with feeding this, but some breeders indeed use egg yolk in the first days. Overfeeding can polute the tank very fast so be careful with this.
@@BettaTerritory okay,thank u for ur advice sir👍🤩
Is it normal that my betta fry are in the bottom of the tank? They are still in there 4th day
After the yolk sac is absorbed and they enter the free swimming stage (2-3 days after hatching), they can stay on the bottom sometimes. Usually they will start exploring the tank more and more. Feeding live food like for example newly hatched BBS will also promote this.
In which month is good to breed betta fish
This will depend on your location and equipment. Personally I located in the Netherlands (Europe) with warm summers but cold winters. I am breeding in an insulated shed in my garden where all tanks have heaters & covers to maintain a stable temperature (to prevent fluctuations). This means I can breed througout the year.
All the fish you showed at the end with the different patterns, did they come from the same parents? Very helpful video! Tks
Thank you for your comment & question 🙏. The fry featured in this video are from two spawns and have been raised together:
- BT270819A - Yellow HMPK male x darkbody yellow HMPK female: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT270819A.htm
- BT270819C - Platinum white HMPK male x steel blue HMPK female: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT270819C.htm
@@BettaTerritory Cheers! I've been binge watching your vids
Good day! May I ask when is the good time to remove the male betta from the eggs? The eggs is starting to show its tail on the bubble. Thank you so much!Much love from the Philippines!
New subscriber here Sir. My son is actually the one who is trying his luck on breeding bettas. First time trying to pair and luckily the eggs now are starting to show its tail.
Welcome on board Catherine & Son! Nice to hear your son is attempting to spawn his pair. Regarding your question, I personally remove the male as soon as the fry starts to swim horizontally, the so-called free-swimming stage. This usually is 2-3 days after hatching. This is also the time I start feeding the fry.
More on how to spawn Bettas in this video: ua-cam.com/video/yjTQB8qHrBE/v-deo.html
I hope this information is useful to you. Have fun & good luck.
so are u telling me that those buuble are for laying eggs?
Correct 😃! After the embrace during the spawning process, the eggs are released by the female and both male and female blow them into the bubblenest. In the following video you can get an impression of this process: ua-cam.com/video/tV3NDGYow_I/v-deo.html
So amazing sir i ilove bettafish too
What to you feed the fry?
In the video I mention what I feed the fry per stage on the slides introducing the new stage. Hope this answers your question.
In how many months betta female can give eggs.. For breeding
Depending on the growth rate Bettas already can be sexually active at 2-3 months of age. Personally I however would not recommend to breed our fish at such a young age. Although our fish are growing throughout their whole life most of them usually are reasonably developed around at 5-6 months of age. Certain important characteristics, both positive and negative, are not visible in young fish but only appear when a fish reaches maturity. Some examples are for instance vitality, overall balance, fin curling, ability to hold their finnage, susceptibility and resistance for disease, rosetail influence, fin curling, etc. So it is important to keep in mind that when breeding fish at a young stage,there is a risk to overlook certain important characteristics you might not want to fix in your line. I hope this information is useful to you.
Hey so I got a male and a female betta fish two days ago and they already laid eggs yesterday. It's first time owning fishes and I'm trying to get it right. I separated the female fish because that's what all my research said. But I don't really know where to go from here. When do I seperate the Male fish? How long do the eggs take to get to the first stage you showed? Also I got a tiny bowl for the fish because I didn't anticipate them laying eggs so when can I transfer them to a bigger tank so they can grow adequately? It would really great if you can answer me. I'm super new at this and I really want to do this right.
Congratulations on your first spawn. You can find the answers to your questions in the following article on my website: www.bettaterritory.nl/BT-Breedingmain.htm
I hope this is of any help. Good luck raising your fish.
It's a little late for trying to do things right. It sounds like you weren't prepared to breed them.
Big mistake
How did the hatching go?