Hey rye.... This might be a dumb question but is it possible the "Silver Eyes" book series has more hidden details we didn't notice before??... Like for instance... It's a story about a mimic.... Like Charlie bot was designed to mimic a child, charlie! Which Charlie's story in my mind covers both Eleanor and Mimic in one tied up pretty bow like package. All I'm suggesting is... How much context can we pull from silver eyes..... Now that we know more of the story ... I mean silver eyes also brings up this point of "twins" and and such... And one of the bigger theories for a minute was about twin souls.... And we'll... What is tiger rock if not the concept of two souls inhabiting the same vessel. I would also like to suggest that potentially in addition to agony and remnant that memory... Specifically very very strong powerful attached memories, can also touch the animatronics in a similare way.... Either by generating remnant and agony or something like that or being a power substance all it's own.... Memory might be another way of pouring strong feelings and emotions into an object.... Meaning... Is it possible the ball pit is a collection of strong memories....
Hey rye Eleanor could be connected to Elizabeth because her death was filled with agony so maybe Eleanor is a twisted representation of baby in Elizabeths eyes because according to her circus baby was a tall figure that had the same representation as eleanor
Hi Rye! I have a theory I thought you could look into, though it could be wrong since I haven't read the books, but I think your videos have given me a good understanding. So my theory is that the Funtime animatronics have both remnant and agony possessing them. I think this because the Funtimes were involved in remnant experiments, giving them their remnant, and because of the controlled shocks, how the kids were kidnapped, how Elizabeth died, the nightmare chambers being nearby, etc., giving them the agony. I also think that, if the Fazbear Frights stories are a parallel to the games, Eleanor represents at least Circus Baby. Thus, her having what seems to be both remnant and agony would translate to Circus Baby at the least. It could also be a parallel for the Funtimes because Elanor also parallels Ennard though. What do you think?
She probably would have just handed Sarah a bunch of trash, but used the pendant to make Sarah see it as 10 trillion dollars. The hypnosis power is OP in Fnaf lmao
You don't know that though. She still might have given her the pendant and that would allow elanore to "make her see" the money but it wouldnt actually be there. Plus Elanor could have come up with some sort of caveat that she couldn't spend any of it and had to wait 10 days or something. I don't think a different type of wish would have stopped her or slowed her down in any way. She clearly has a "monkeys paw" type thing going on.
@@evanlim9098 - Yeah, that's not what I mean though. I'm pretty sure there's a point where the Fazbear Frights are heading towards an ending that makes sense, and where they've all been at least semi-decent... and then Scholastic ordered a bunch more of them, and suddenly everything goes really downhill. IIRC the original order was for five books, then it stretched to seven, and then we ended up with the full run. And that's when they try to make Eleanor into the Secret Big Bad, and start tying unconnected stories in with her. I dunno, I recommend NotRealName's old video on Eleanor. It's pretty grumpy and arguably outdated, but it covers most of this stuff, and it's also pretty funny.
Just a quick thought: maybe Eleanor IS Baby, but without Elizabeth's soul inhabiting it. We kinda know she has a fem-fatal form (The Fourth Closet), so maybe it's just that - Circus Baby but without Elizabeth, an agony manifestation of everything that happened to a little girl and the grief that was after.
Huh, that's a good point. Baby has Michael take that chip out of her/her empty exoskeleton. Elizabeth's spirit went along in Ennard, and if I recall correctly her Elizabeth-haunted endoskeleton was already scooped at that point. Could the chip be the original get-in-my-belly Circus Baby programming, and it became Eleanor?
@@Wizardjones69 but for what reason? There are too many design similarities between Baby and Eleanor for them to not be connected, especially since Scott isn't exactly well known for coincidences
@@Joshchive But shes clearly conntected to Afton. The whole trash rabbit Afton monster thing makes that VERY clear, with out heartbroken Afton acts when she leaves, if she was no one to him, he wouldn't have cared and shes clearly based on Baby, not just some random clown.
14:55 I thought of something We all know that Elizabeth is William‘s daughter, and this ball pit has a messed up version of William were he is fused to the suit that he possesses later in life and that same yellow rabbit is playing a father to Oswald, it is try to be William Now we have a doll that resembles a little girl with circus Baby’s appearance, it is fusing Elizabeth with baby like how it mixed her father with spring Bonnie Another thing about this is the doll is luring Oswald towards an alley instead him of running away, where the rabbit they gets him as she laughs. Similar to how Baby lead Michael and is always trying to help her father Edit: just remembered this as well, the doll lead Oswald DOWN into the cellar, the doll was underground Oh and she sits there perfectly still, like she does in night 5 of sister location
And why is she collecting Remnant and jumping into the Afton Amalgamation in the books? Because Elizabeth does whatever Daddy tells her to in the games and William was obsessed with Remnant(presumably)
@@pokedexholderorange8868well you see, this book and the frights are different, because of the amount of kids killed, 6 in frights, 5 in return If this book directly contradicts the fright story I wouldn’t think that they are one I’m not saying this is the case in frights, but instead in this book
@@pokedexholderorange8868sorry if this already showed up, it disappeared for me But I wanted to say that I’m saying this could be the case in return but is most likely not the case in frights We know they are different because of the amount of kids, 6 in frights, but 5 in return And because the directly contradict each other, I wouldn’t call them one in the same. That is my view on it
Speaking of Baby but not really I’ve been starting to think (yesterday) about the SL characters and how they correlate to the Afton family. I mean we know Baby was made for Elizabeth and Ballora has a strong connection to Mrs Afton particularly in her custom night voice lines and Security Breach. Now out of the core 4 who are we left with? Funtime Foxy (a variant of Michael’s favourite animatronic) and Funtime Freddy who while has no obvious connection to Dave is a bear animatronic whose best friend is a tiny rabbit. Yes I’m saying BonBon is a substitute who William, specifically as Psychic Friend Fredbear. And think about it Freddy is white Funtime variants tend to be but he’s also purple. Now originally he was meant to be pink and have 2 hands but for some reason Scout changed him to purple (a colour heavily associated with Fredbear) and need BonBon. And for Foxy? Well he never had a voice but suddenly gains one in UCN. This makes me believe the Foxy was meant to talk but William removed it. Why? As punishment. I think William made ALL the Funtime’s for his family. I think even before Dave died. Something made William change them from being just animatronics to being used for kidnapping. I mean Elizabeth says Baby was built for her so obviously between starting to make her and finishing William made some… adjustments to her. This train of thought evolved from my Charlie dies on the same night as MCI and the victims are all employees children, baring Cassidy.
Mysterious??? I’ll tell you who is the most mysterious one… he’s SO MYSTERIOUS… he didn’t get his own page in characters encyclopedia… he has only ONE monologue but still… we (presumably) playing as him majority of the time… Michael Afton IS the most mysterious character in the games… 🤣🤣🤣 though something tells me that Scott didn’t plan it to happen…
Things I think. 1. I think theirs a chance that Eleanor is the Agony Manifestation of Elizabeth when she died in Circus Baby. 2. I think it’s possible that Agony rather than just being a Negative Emotion and Concept is much more like a Demonic force of Nature (kinda like the Mind Flayer from Stranger Things). 3. I think the Into the Pit game could possibly be changing the story so that Eleanor isn’t Pitbonnie in the game. 4. I think it’s possible that the Nightmarionne Plushes we see throughout Security Breach and Help Wanted 2 are all linked to Agony and possible the game equivalent of Eleanor. 5. In the Storyteller there are 2 quotes that peaked my interest. Quote 1: At its busiest the pizzaplex was pact with spun up kids and jovial families and all the happy screams and shouts and chatter were like a electrical circuit that if it could’ve been harnessed probably would’ve generated enough power to run a dozen pizzaplex’s. Quote 2: Scanning the Boisterous crowd he idly wondered how it might be possible to channel human Joy into a machine it had to possible. What I get from this is that Fazbear Entertainment LLC is partially aware about the Supernatural Energy of Human Emotions and want to harness that power, maybe that could explain why the pizzaplex animatronics are all so sentient and lifelike because they have Emotional Energy Powering their AI.
@derrickdaniels3955 yeah, that's very possible. it would be a good explanation of what the blob is because we don't really have any other. the base of the blob was probably molten freddy's remains after the MCI's spirits were released, but then most likely the agony of the mimic's victims that went down to the pizzeria infected it and brought it to life, and then it collected other objects that had agony attached to them, aka pieces of animatronics that were previously haunted
I was actually gonna put down the first one because in the Silver Eyes series, doesn't Elizabeth talk about being jealous of Circus Baby and dressing up to look like her? You know " To Be Beautiful". (I've never actually read the but have seen pictures of the comics that people posted including that whole scene.)
My DnD pilled brain read "Mind Flayer from Stranger Things" and had an aneurysm lol I never caught up with that show, I know the kids call the monsters DnD monster names but my brain did the autism THATS NOT CORRECT! lmao As a relevant response, I think you're probably close to whatever the truth is
I appreciate your new take on the books and I appreciate you saying eleanor isn't baby. But we outright hear from Jake in the epilogues that eleanor doesn't have a soul. That debunks the mci kids thing. What's likely is she's born FROM the agony of the pit. As for her connection with circus baby, I personally think its because ALL the funtimes were injected with the mci remnant, including baby. When baby says there's something bad inside of her, she means the souls of the mci victims. That chip you take out is that piece of the mci victims potentially, and it manifests into its own entity as eleanor. Eleanor also shares personality traits with baby, so this would explain that. Green eyed shape-shifting orange haired red dressed body swapping doll that works with afton can be applied to both eleanor and baby. While they aren't the same, there's some connection.
Maybe we're just overthinking it a bit. Maybe it's just Circus Baby but without Elizabeth's soul, her soul left, but the agony remained, making it sentient and truly alive.
I think that in RTTP the ball pit is not Eleanor's creation, at least it's not under her control yet; nor she was created from it. Same for the Rabbit, it's not her creation. The Rabbit when outside the ball pit, he doesn't want to kill you, just wants to replace your dad. It seems as long as you don't try to escape (or even plan about escaping) you're good. He only really attempts to kill you in '85, in there he sees you as another kid to kill. You even get the bunny ears, that when you use them you get a sort of "happy ending". Sure, Oz gets pretty much brainwashed here, but the point is that he is *happy*, he's feeling positive emotions. Which would make no sense if the Rabbit and the bunny ears were Eleanor's creations. Eleanor is an agony parasite, she thrives on negative emotions. If the ball pit WAS her doing, why would she give you the chance to be "happy" with the bunny ears? She wouldn't. She needs people to suffer in order to get stronger/survive. I think the Rabbit is made from William's agony, not from the MCI. Why would the MCI's agony act like your dad? They were just children. If anything they would act more akin to a kid, maybe a murderous kid, but still lol. It makes more sense if it is William's. Also, if Jeff's is the OG 1985 location, and it takes place between 2015-2020, that would mean that Springtrap was trapped in the safe room at one point. Will being trapped there could have created *insane* amounts of agony. Manifesting the Yellow Rabbit (or the agony infected a suit, since when the Rabbit dies, it looks like an empty suit). Unrelated but kinda related. Does anyone find it weird that if you pick "easy difficulty" on RTTP, you get the bunny ears? Unlike TWB, when you pick the easy mode, you get items that are ACTUALLY useful. Here it gives you the bunny ears, which are a guaranteed game over. Maybe it gives them to you not because it makes the game easier, but it's Oz's "*Easy* way out". If he uses them, he can just forget about his dad and accept the Rabbit into his life. Unlike trying to save your dad, it's *easy* to just accept the Rabbit.
0:43 Answer: Ballora. She got put on the back burner lately and I wish we knew why she was created and why she looks to different. Plus why can’t she open her eyes?
1:03 I understood what you were saying, but still burst out laughing. The books don’t have screen time… Or do they? (Dramatic music!) Okay, yeah I’m just kidding.
And then there's the funny alternate take that the clown girl doll is actually one of the Circus Baby dolls that give all Help Wanted players nightmares.
Remember Frailty? That story was from the first Tales From the Pizzaplex book series about a girl named Jessica. She has a heart shaped pendent like Sarah’s, but every time Jessica shaves off pieces of her pendent to help others, she slowly falls apart into a pile of scrap. You mention that Elenor probably had more than one victim, so what if Jessica was the first, and was somehow able to trap Elenor in the trunk? IDK, just an idea. 🤔🤷
Hello RyeToast, A theory I have is for Eleanor origin is that she was the original version of the robotic version of Adult Charlie that Henry had made to be his adult version of his daughter after her death based on the book's lore. The reason why Baby has some similar designs of colour and details as Eleanor is because William had stolen E which we hear Charlie being in one of the fnaf novels whether it was the graphic novels like The Fourth Closet or one of the other fnaf books. When William realised he could not use Elaeanor the way he wanted to, he created the Circus Baby animatronic blueprint based on eleanor design changing the model of eleanor to be known as Circus Baby we know today since they have similar feature like voice mimicking, and similar colors of red, white, and maybe blue while also being two similar designed as clowns. There is also the fact that if Eleanor was infused in remnant which could easily be thanks to William that might have cause Eleanor programming to change or adjust that have her be more sentient than William wanted. This would give william an reason to try destroy or get rid of Eleanor to prevent her from doing anything to ruin his plan which sets of the fnaf game timeline more and also would explain Eleanor connection to the fnaf story in general. There is also the fact that this would explain how Eleanor and Circus Baby are both clown with matching colours, hair styles, and explain how henry and william both are involved with Eleanor as described in the fnaf books.
I think that the doll described in return to the pit is meant to be plushbaby. Eleanor looks like baby, but she's a full size animatronic, as far as I'm aware. Plushbaby just makes more sense to me.
Ooh finally some theories on Eleanor 👀 i feel this character should have more discussion about ,but at the same time here isn’t that much to really talk about due to her vagueness About the question here 1:56 i think it it own continuity, it being in the same continuity with book like VIP and TWB who are straight up canon is tricky , but since it re-adapt ITP instead of a new story like TWB and VIP i think the Game and OG Novel ITP are more trustable interpretation of ITP
Ive always thought, if Elanor was supposed to be anything, shes just a rogue animatronic, probably a dupe of baby in the same way theres like 30 freddies now. Shes just a scrapped/tossed/failed w.e animatronic that wasnt popular and was retired, but got agony-ed or maybe was near something bad happening n now shes all spooky and angy. Idk maybe the remnant collection or body snatching is her trying to prove herself useful to her creater/god.
It's interesting. Elizabeth helps her father, William, without realizing that she is trapped in his animatronic. At the same time, Eleanor helps the rabbit, aka William, without realizing what she really is. The perfect paralel
14:42 because it’s not the first time we get laughing dolls of her (plush baby in VR and Ruin)… but also Eleanor was working in the Pizza Plex in SB so who knows what’s real
Elenor and Elizabeth both break out of where they’re being held as animatronics and combine with other animatronics to form a greater being. Both had hopes of taking control of the other people in the new body, but when they realize they can’t, leave and do what they can to stay self sufficient out in the world
I don’t know why, but when you started taking about Elenor being someone else, my mind just jumped to the idea she was related to Jackie, which would be revealed in Secrets of the Mimic. Yes, I do realize how ridiculous it sounds.
The most mysterious for me is lolbit they have appeared in more than 2 games and because they are an ai makes me think they are either a version of the mimic or something more powerful than it seems because an ai of lolbits smarts during sister location era raises lots of flags for me
Honestly I feel like the most important information we have about Elanor right now is that she's always separate from freddy's. She's never stated to be a fazbear animatronic and the elanor doll is outside of the restaurant. Gives me the impression that freddy's isn't the only place with a ghost problem, and that something that wasn't created or impacted by afton wants to use him to its advantage
I remember when Into the Pit came out, I had assumed that Eleanor was supposed to be Circus Baby (or Charlie 4) from the novel trilogy, since they’re both skinny versions of baby with the ability to change their appearance
15:02 I just have the theory that stitchline is a series of the aftermath of the Silver Eyes Trilogy and Elanor is just Novel Circus Baby after some agony related BS during or after the Climax of 4th Closet, I think there's far more things that tie stitchline to the novel trilogy than to the games. Do I think Tales and the Steel Wool era are also connected? I very much hope not, but possibly yes. I already find the debate of talesgames/frightsgames/stitchlinegames to be stupid as we have plenty examples in other media where two versions of a story can be 99.9% similar and still be considered separate continuities (by fnaf's definition) and thats before mentioning how an ad from Phineas Taggart was talking about a "cursed Ella doll" which as far as we know is only in the Novel Trilogy appears in 1:35am, How there's no way in hell Henry would slip up and let paramedics find Aftons charred corpse compared to a new restaurant that just had kidnappings take place where authorities will undoubtedly storm the building to make sure of things and find the charred corpse of a man on an endo amalgam in a furnace, and the Suspiciously Charlie-looking woman from the end of 4th Closet (Elanor maybe? I imagine charliebots mk. 3's friends would be her first victims) Elanor being a sort of Agony fusion/reincarnation of Charliebot mk. 3 and Circus Baby (Charliebot mk. 4) makes some satisfaction narratively where it makes her a true foil to Jake/Stitchwraith. I also think that what happened in 1985 that Oswald saw is the DCI (if we're still to believe that actually happened) because there's no way in hell it would be a "Missing Children's Incident" if you have both adults and children freaking out over dead bodies and trying to get away, but thats for a different comment on a different video Tl;dr: If everyone wants to assume TalesGames and Stitchline are games continuity, you might as well consider the Silver Eyes Novels games continuity as Stitchline specifically makes more sense to be connected to that. I don't care too much about Talesgames, and am thinking its separate until proven without a doubt otherwise (in otherwords, I'll never be convinced its in contunuity as the most concrete thing we have in this franchise is the gender of Mangle being yes)
I had no idea Eleanor was considered such a mystery. I thought she had a pretty obvious solution, although it requires a leap of faith that Henry also tried to bring Charlie back to life, failed (and failed in killing himself). Eleanor is the gamesverse/stitchline version of Baby from the trilogy. "Circus Baby but in the shape of an adult woman" is Other Charlie's true form in the series. Because it was never successful, William never wondered how Charlie seemed to come back from the dead, so never stole her fourth body. This left it free to try to find its own identity, and she gave herself the long version of the name of the doll that Henry was using as the bais to bring Charlie back (Ella to Eleanor). Henry trying to bring Charlie back but failing in both it and killing himself also explains where he was before fnaf6. He was in a mental hospital, recovering from the brain damage he got trying to create robot Charlie. I do think Eleanor is an Agnony creation, in the sense that she wasn't born directly from anyone's death. But I think you can get conciousness from Agony alone (although I also don't believe in a strict Agony/Remenant divide). Jake doesn't die in contact with the Simon doll that holds the conciousness of Stinger Jake. He's all Agony too. She wants Remenant, because it is a better source of animating power than Agony. The second episode of my own Fazbear Frights video series covers this (and explains the Ella in 1:35AM). This is in my upcoming into the pit video. I think the blood is actually Agony, it has a physical structure similar enough to blood to fool forensics. Eleanor is using it to bind her victim's minds to the ball pit to keep them from moving on, like we see with Millie in the very end. In Return to the Pit, the doll version of Eleanor is Charlie's second body, drawn from Eleanor's memories and either directly controlled by her or given her personality (the pit is its own not fully concious entity, a cross between a holodeck from star trek and the cave of evil from star wars). It's the body Charlie should have been in during 1985. Oswald also mistakes the mci victims for dolls at first, and Charlie was the same age as at least one of the victims in the trilogy. I also explain how there isn't any real time travel in my upcoming video. Oswald never makes it out of the pit.
@Wizardjones69 Do you have a timestamp for it? I just skimmed through the entire video and I didn't find Scott talking about the trilogy at all. Also this gets rid of the most controversial parts of robot Charlie: Charlie not knowing she's a robot and being able to exist within regular society for decades without being found out. And if Scott never wanted to do anything similar to robot Charlie again, why does Eleanor look essentially exactly the same? Why does the last line of the stingers heavily suggest Eleanor has been using an illusion disc the whole time, attached to her pendant? Why does To Be Beautiful revisit the concept of someone not knowing they've become a robot? And then Frailty does so again, just without the unknowing part? There's quite a large middle ground between "Robot Charlie doesn't exist in the gamesverse and the trilogy is never getting a follow up" and "nothing similar with ever happen again", and I'd like to see the exact wording Scott used.
@Wizardjones69 "Once Larson was on the sidewalk, he heard a soft, high-pitched sound. He looked around for the source of the noise and discovered it was coming from the pendant in his palm. It was like it was singing a song but too softly for Larson to make out the words. He held up the pendant to inspect it, and the sun shone through it. It was dazzling." This is the last line in Fazbear Frights if you don't count the Felix the shark book
great video btw!!!!!!! im so glad to see one of the big fnaf youtubers finally shed light on this character!!!! shes literally one of fnafs final bosses and not one soul has dared to acknowledge her on here i feel like
What if Eleanor is the creature of agony created after William's experiments? Eleanor looks like a Funtime. It would be related to the MCI after all, considering Molten MCI.
Ever since the return to the pit video, I have had an idea about the incident amount of dead kids. It’s unlikely that the place we go into isn’t actually the 1985 Freddy fazbears pizza, because Afton wasnt some kind of demonic being, and one thing about the into the pit game caught my eye, is that across the five nights we save five kids, and in the return to the pit book, for the ending where we have to take the party hats of the kids and save from afton are five kids if I remember. And in the lore the event involving the kids possesing the animatronics was called the MISSING child insadent, and if the kids were indeed trapped in the pizzeria from into the pit they would likely be classified as missing, and to enforce this point, in all the different into the pit storys, they day Oswald finds the dead kids, the hole pizzeria is running trying to leave and wanting to get the KIDS out the restaurant, which inforses that what the yellow rabbit did was seen by adleast one person, which would mean that the knowledge of the SIX dead kids made it out the pizzaria, which means they logically would of been classified as dead kids. So for the too long didn’t read people, the Six kids in the party room aren’t the missing children, but the FIVE kids Oswald saves are the missing kids. I don’t have an good idea of what the Six dead kids would meen if this the case, but this is just a theory I came up with, please share any other ideas you have on this theory
maybe the 6 dead kids are supposed to be part of the DCI? like some people theorize that the DCI in fnaf2 was to rile up the spirits of the MCI, so maybe thats why you only see 6 dead kids(DCI) and rescue 5 kids(MCI)
Pretty good video, I agree that Eleanor is a manifestation of agony, but personally, I think it's Elizabeth behind it rather than the missing kids as it seems that Elizabeth had a sadistic nature like her father, especially since she is shown to be manipulative and violent but that's just a theory
always a tragedy when the cat leaves in the middle of the video 😔anyway as usual, you've put together a solid explanation of a very weird part of the FNAF lore!
15:08 Eleanor is basically described with a resemblance to Baby. You missed the detail of her having green eyes, something which specifically indicated Elizabeth's presense. So for all we know she could be a manifestation of Elizabeth's agony. If the books were in the game continuity
Honestly I didn't read the doll as Eleanor (despite the physical description). She reminded me more of Ella, a doll made by a father, just like baby (though the father changes in those two cases). It is clearly doing the bunny's bidding, mirroring Elizabeth's relationship dynamics with her father. This tells me she died before MCI, and her memories are somehow mixed in the ball pit. Also would like to mention this happens in a basement, where she lures in the protagonist (just like sister location). Honestly, there are too many connections for the Baby/Elizabeth case vs. "agony and similar description?". Besides, I think this book directly tells us Frights Games is not canon but I digress. To your point of Eleanor representing the MCI, bro, Elizabeth was part of Molten Freddy too, and I'd argue she was the one who made the plan. Eleanor is a Baby/Elizabeth parallel, NOT MCI. It just happens they are often together, and must be connected some way.
I would find it kind of weird if Eleanor had the consciousness of the MCI victims and is only like that because of Williams influence, since even after William is gone Eleanor remains as evil as she was before and still has the same goals. Some people consider her to be even more evil than william, which would once again be a weird choice for a character thats actually the souls of his child victims. Yes William does control the mci kids to help him, but it always stops when he dies and they can always be convinced in the books and movie that they should stop listening to him, unlike eleanor who is described as basically being pure evil and there was no way of changing her. I also feel like her ways of killing people don't really fit with it. I can understand the thought that she has some of their agony considering her connection to the ball pit but I don't feel like that's all there is to her existence.
0:50 OH MY GODDDDD So first I'ma have a lot of fun this video but im SO happy you're doing an Eleanor video, because I also have a theory to what she is.
i think the doll in RTTP is plush baby for a couple reasons: 1. the doll has a red nose, which baby does and eleanor doesn't (not even in ITPG) 2. she has a high-pitched giggle, which is very trademark plush baby 3. if it were eleanor, i think her size would be mentioned. eleanor is the size of a human person. oswald would probably have been more likely to mistake the doll *as* the girl calling for help instead of the girl's toy, or maybe he'd even mistake her for an animatronic.& i don't really see why this would be a small toy version of eleanor when that's never been a thing. 4. plush baby has shown up in places where she logically shouldn't be, such as in random closets in the pizzaplex or in the help wanted fazer blast levels. she just kind of does that. 5. if it were eleanor, i don't see why she wouldn't just kill oswald herself, instead of being a "decoy" to lure oswald into the cellar and ultimately be killed by the yellow rabbit.
I liked it, also it's heavily implied that one of the things that could've caused Eleanor's existance would be the MCI itself. As if the bad memories of the Missing Children's death somehow created Eleanor and gave form to the entity Afton would've tried to replicate at this point in the timeline; the perfect "servant". Well, at least I think that Afton made the MCI based on Elizabeth's death, since that's also what implies The Fourth Closet with Afton's ideal of, "Re-creating the accident to replicate the same effect".
the doll in return to the pit could likely be plush baby or the fazbear frights version of plush baby, as its description matches plush baby better than eleanor, as eleanor has a white nose while plush baby has a red nose.
Honestly Afton's wife is prolyl the most mysterious for me. Mainly because we have Bellora. If she was a nameless NPC in the backstory to justify Afton having kids with someone for the plot convenience of him having kids, that's one thing. But Bellora being around and hinted as being somewhat inspired by Mrs Afton is intriguing because we have to consider what impact or place she might have had on Afton to possibly make a robotic facsimile of her. Plus, did she die, did Afton murder her, or did she simply leave? Did their home life have any reflection in the vampire soap opera scenes somewhat?
I haven't watched the full video yet and I don't know if anyone else mentioned it, but at 4:22 when you read the description of Eleanor, you say "long-eyed lashes" instead of "long-lashed eyes" shown in the text displayed. Just a heads up.
I actually have a headcanon that Eleanor’s original/true form is a shadow version of Spring Bonnie, since he was the suit used in the MCI Shadow Freddy is likely formed from either the Bite of ‘83 or Charlie’s murder - both featuring Fredbear and Freddy respectively, and Shadow Bonnie is likely formed from the DCI - the location where Toy Bonnie resides
im like 80% sure that baby and eleanor have some sort of connection because yes there designs are very similar but theres just very small details that cant be a coincidence. for example they both have blue hair ties, purple eye brows, red croptop with frilly/large shoulder pads, black circular knee caps, and im assuming eleanors neck is an exposed endo and that also has a similar design to babys in the way that its not pipes and bars like the ogs but instead composed of wires. and also some behavioral similarities like lying to the main character by pretending to help so that they could get what they want which is a new body specifically a human body.
can you say when you are going to a sponsor. I watch these high and the whiplash I get from "hears the first story of elenor" straight into "help im trapped in a cave" is fucking insane
1:22 I’ll tell you Rye what we know about Eleanor we know that she’s very powerful and she’s coming to the games….in fact she’s already now been included in a official main line game so basically that meme is now outdated
I think Eleanor is a counter part to the mimic clown that got filled with agony after the fall fest incident but we will have to see in the new game i guess.
i suppose my reasoning for thinking the doll return to the pit is baby is because talking laughing paranormal circus baby plushes are an established thing in fnaf showing up in weird and unexpected places that dont make sense while elanore in a new doll form isnt
I'm pretty sure the base model for Eleanor was in the first 3 books but in the graphic novels espically when Charlie starts acting weird, so wouldn't it be before into the pit ?
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Hey rye.... This might be a dumb question but is it possible the "Silver Eyes" book series has more hidden details we didn't notice before??... Like for instance... It's a story about a mimic.... Like Charlie bot was designed to mimic a child, charlie! Which Charlie's story in my mind covers both Eleanor and Mimic in one tied up pretty bow like package. All I'm suggesting is... How much context can we pull from silver eyes..... Now that we know more of the story ... I mean silver eyes also brings up this point of "twins" and and such... And one of the bigger theories for a minute was about twin souls.... And we'll... What is tiger rock if not the concept of two souls inhabiting the same vessel.
I would also like to suggest that potentially in addition to agony and remnant that memory... Specifically very very strong powerful attached memories, can also touch the animatronics in a similare way.... Either by generating remnant and agony or something like that or being a power substance all it's own.... Memory might be another way of pouring strong feelings and emotions into an object.... Meaning... Is it possible the ball pit is a collection of strong memories....
Hey rye
Eleanor could be connected to Elizabeth because her death was filled with agony so maybe Eleanor is a twisted representation of baby in Elizabeths eyes because according to her circus baby was a tall figure that had the same representation as eleanor
This doesn't work if you are outside the US, like always with these surveys😭
Hi Rye! I have a theory I thought you could look into, though it could be wrong since I haven't read the books, but I think your videos have given me a good understanding.
So my theory is that the Funtime animatronics have both remnant and agony possessing them. I think this because the Funtimes were involved in remnant experiments, giving them their remnant, and because of the controlled shocks, how the kids were kidnapped, how Elizabeth died, the nightmare chambers being nearby, etc., giving them the agony.
I also think that, if the Fazbear Frights stories are a parallel to the games, Eleanor represents at least Circus Baby. Thus, her having what seems to be both remnant and agony would translate to Circus Baby at the least. It could also be a parallel for the Funtimes because Elanor also parallels Ennard though.
What do you think?
Clearly Eleanor is just an escaped giraffe who got spring locked in circus baby
Canon
I wonder what Eleanor would've done if Sarah had wished for 10 trillion dollars or something that couldn't have been granted with the pendant
Probably killed her and gone back to her ambush car, is my guess.
@@soadfan1022 you assume that Eleanor isn’t Jeff Bezos
She probably would have just handed Sarah a bunch of trash, but used the pendant to make Sarah see it as 10 trillion dollars. The hypnosis power is OP in Fnaf lmao
You don't know that though. She still might have given her the pendant and that would allow elanore to "make her see" the money but it wouldnt actually be there. Plus Elanor could have come up with some sort of caveat that she couldn't spend any of it and had to wait 10 days or something. I don't think a different type of wish would have stopped her or slowed her down in any way. She clearly has a "monkeys paw" type thing going on.
"as much screen time as she gets in the books" is a crazy sentence lol
I mean you know what he meant
Ikr he shoudla said Page View smh
@@Lumberjack_king yeah lol
@@FatJesusHangry LOL
The term "screen time" doesn't only literally mean time on a physical screen.
14:08: "Circus Baby and Eleanor are basically like weird sisters."
Gasp! The VR Sisters!
OH NOOOOO
@@RyeToast lol
0:21
I WISH I had moves like him.
Every time I "break it down", my family breaks down crying.
The quotations over break it down killed me for some reason
😂😂😂 you and me both
did you leave your family to pursue a career of professional break dancing, is that why they cry?/j
Australian break dancer spotted?
@@GrapeFanta5 huh
I love how Pit Bonnie is holding Eleanor like his child in the thumbnail 😭
Helluvaboss fan found👍
@@CUZWHYNOTSTUDIOS Yep! I’m a loser, baby!
@@kophee_bean 😂
If you believe that Eleanor is just Lizzie's Agony, TECHNICALLY that is his child. Kinda weird and fucked up tho. A little funny certainly
@@cookieface678 😭
0:23 Ryetoast casually introducing me to my new favorite thing in this franchise
HE IS BUSTING IT DOWN FAZUAL STYLE!!!!!!!
I swear, 90% of the confusion about FNAF was caused by Scholastic.
True, Scholastic publishes all the books…
@@evanlim9098 - Yeah, that's not what I mean though. I'm pretty sure there's a point where the Fazbear Frights are heading towards an ending that makes sense, and where they've all been at least semi-decent... and then Scholastic ordered a bunch more of them, and suddenly everything goes really downhill. IIRC the original order was for five books, then it stretched to seven, and then we ended up with the full run. And that's when they try to make Eleanor into the Secret Big Bad, and start tying unconnected stories in with her.
I dunno, I recommend NotRealName's old video on Eleanor. It's pretty grumpy and arguably outdated, but it covers most of this stuff, and it's also pretty funny.
Just a quick thought: maybe Eleanor IS Baby, but without Elizabeth's soul inhabiting it. We kinda know she has a fem-fatal form (The Fourth Closet), so maybe it's just that - Circus Baby but without Elizabeth, an agony manifestation of everything that happened to a little girl and the grief that was after.
Huh, that's a good point. Baby has Michael take that chip out of her/her empty exoskeleton. Elizabeth's spirit went along in Ennard, and if I recall correctly her Elizabeth-haunted endoskeleton was already scooped at that point. Could the chip be the original get-in-my-belly Circus Baby programming, and it became Eleanor?
Its not
@@Wizardjones69 but for what reason? There are too many design similarities between Baby and Eleanor for them to not be connected, especially since Scott isn't exactly well known for coincidences
She's not, she's never called Circud Babh and she's literally confirmed to be a being of pure agony.
@@Joshchive But shes clearly conntected to Afton.
The whole trash rabbit Afton monster thing makes that VERY clear, with out heartbroken Afton acts when she leaves, if she was no one to him, he wouldn't have cared and shes clearly based on Baby, not just some random clown.
14:55
I thought of something
We all know that Elizabeth is William‘s daughter, and this ball pit has a messed up version of William were he is fused to the suit that he possesses later in life and that same yellow rabbit is playing a father to Oswald, it is try to be William
Now we have a doll that resembles a little girl with circus Baby’s appearance, it is fusing Elizabeth with baby like how it mixed her father with spring Bonnie
Another thing about this is the doll is luring Oswald towards an alley instead him of running away, where the rabbit they gets him as she laughs. Similar to how Baby lead Michael and is always trying to help her father
Edit: just remembered this as well, the doll lead Oswald DOWN into the cellar, the doll was underground
Oh and she sits there perfectly still, like she does in night 5 of sister location
So, Agony manifestations of people/souls tend to imperfectly copy that from which they're based off of? It does kind of make sense.
So Eleanor is to Elizabeth and Baby what The Yellow Rabbit is to William Afton and Spring Bonnie/Trap?....makes sense.
And why is she collecting Remnant and jumping into the Afton Amalgamation in the books? Because Elizabeth does whatever Daddy tells her to in the games and William was obsessed with Remnant(presumably)
@@pokedexholderorange8868well you see, this book and the frights are different, because of the amount of kids killed, 6 in frights, 5 in return
If this book directly contradicts the fright story I wouldn’t think that they are one
I’m not saying this is the case in frights, but instead in this book
@@pokedexholderorange8868sorry if this already showed up, it disappeared for me
But I wanted to say that I’m saying this could be the case in return but is most likely not the case in frights
We know they are different because of the amount of kids, 6 in frights, but 5 in return
And because the directly contradict each other, I wouldn’t call them one in the same. That is my view on it
Afton: makes a trash amalgamation
Elanor: Room for one more?
My belief is that whatever Pit Bonnie is to William,Eleanor is to Elizabeth. Some kind of agony + remnant creature.
Speaking of Baby but not really I’ve been starting to think (yesterday) about the SL characters and how they correlate to the Afton family. I mean we know Baby was made for Elizabeth and Ballora has a strong connection to Mrs Afton particularly in her custom night voice lines and Security Breach. Now out of the core 4 who are we left with? Funtime Foxy (a variant of Michael’s favourite animatronic) and Funtime Freddy who while has no obvious connection to Dave is a bear animatronic whose best friend is a tiny rabbit. Yes I’m saying BonBon is a substitute who William, specifically as Psychic Friend Fredbear. And think about it Freddy is white Funtime variants tend to be but he’s also purple. Now originally he was meant to be pink and have 2 hands but for some reason Scout changed him to purple (a colour heavily associated with Fredbear) and need BonBon. And for Foxy? Well he never had a voice but suddenly gains one in UCN. This makes me believe the Foxy was meant to talk but William removed it. Why? As punishment. I think William made ALL the Funtime’s for his family. I think even before Dave died. Something made William change them from being just animatronics to being used for kidnapping. I mean Elizabeth says Baby was built for her so obviously between starting to make her and finishing William made some… adjustments to her. This train of thought evolved from my Charlie dies on the same night as MCI and the victims are all employees children, baring Cassidy.
Yes, i think the same. Because afton matches SCARY well with traits of a family inhalator who wanted to control his family after losing his job again
Mysterious??? I’ll tell you who is the most mysterious one… he’s SO MYSTERIOUS… he didn’t get his own page in characters encyclopedia… he has only ONE monologue but still… we (presumably) playing as him majority of the time… Michael Afton IS the most mysterious character in the games… 🤣🤣🤣 though something tells me that Scott didn’t plan it to happen…
Things I think.
1. I think theirs a chance that Eleanor is the Agony Manifestation of Elizabeth when she died in Circus Baby.
2. I think it’s possible that Agony rather than just being a Negative Emotion and Concept is much more like a Demonic force of Nature (kinda like the Mind Flayer from Stranger Things).
3. I think the Into the Pit game could possibly be changing the story so that Eleanor isn’t Pitbonnie in the game.
4. I think it’s possible that the Nightmarionne Plushes we see throughout Security Breach and Help Wanted 2 are all linked to Agony and possible the game equivalent of Eleanor.
5. In the Storyteller there are 2 quotes that peaked my interest. Quote 1: At its busiest the pizzaplex was pact with spun up kids and jovial families and all the happy screams and shouts and chatter were like a electrical circuit that if it could’ve been harnessed probably would’ve generated enough power to run a dozen pizzaplex’s. Quote 2: Scanning the Boisterous crowd he idly wondered how it might be possible to channel human Joy into a machine it had to possible. What I get from this is that Fazbear Entertainment LLC is partially aware about the Supernatural Energy of Human Emotions and want to harness that power, maybe that could explain why the pizzaplex animatronics are all so sentient and lifelike because they have Emotional Energy Powering their AI.
yeah, there is a chance that large amounts of agony condensed into one location/entity can manifest as a demonic entity with its own consciousness
@@jojostarseaLike the Blob?
@derrickdaniels3955 yeah, that's very possible. it would be a good explanation of what the blob is because we don't really have any other. the base of the blob was probably molten freddy's remains after the MCI's spirits were released, but then most likely the agony of the mimic's victims that went down to the pizzeria infected it and brought it to life, and then it collected other objects that had agony attached to them, aka pieces of animatronics that were previously haunted
I was actually gonna put down the first one because in the Silver Eyes series, doesn't Elizabeth talk about being jealous of Circus Baby and dressing up to look like her? You know " To Be Beautiful". (I've never actually read the but have seen pictures of the comics that people posted including that whole scene.)
My DnD pilled brain read "Mind Flayer from Stranger Things" and had an aneurysm lol I never caught up with that show, I know the kids call the monsters DnD monster names but my brain did the autism THATS NOT CORRECT! lmao
As a relevant response, I think you're probably close to whatever the truth is
I appreciate your new take on the books and I appreciate you saying eleanor isn't baby.
But we outright hear from Jake in the epilogues that eleanor doesn't have a soul.
That debunks the mci kids thing. What's likely is she's born FROM the agony of the pit. As for her connection with circus baby, I personally think its because ALL the funtimes were injected with the mci remnant, including baby. When baby says there's something bad inside of her, she means the souls of the mci victims. That chip you take out is that piece of the mci victims potentially, and it manifests into its own entity as eleanor. Eleanor also shares personality traits with baby, so this would explain that.
Green eyed shape-shifting orange haired red dressed body swapping doll that works with afton can be applied to both eleanor and baby. While they aren't the same, there's some connection.
Maybe we're just overthinking it a bit. Maybe it's just Circus Baby but without Elizabeth's soul, her soul left, but the agony remained, making it sentient and truly alive.
@@WolfHardcorpsits not
Eleanor is a mannequin, not a animatronic
@@WolfHardcorps Eleanor is hollow, she is nothing more than a shadow in a mannequin.
Baby don't have green eyes
She has blue
Eleanor has same eyes jackie
Eleanors neck is very similar to Jackie's and the doll behaves almost identically to PlushBaby.
I think that in RTTP the ball pit is not Eleanor's creation, at least it's not under her control yet; nor she was created from it. Same for the Rabbit, it's not her creation.
The Rabbit when outside the ball pit, he doesn't want to kill you, just wants to replace your dad. It seems as long as you don't try to escape (or even plan about escaping) you're good. He only really attempts to kill you in '85, in there he sees you as another kid to kill.
You even get the bunny ears, that when you use them you get a sort of "happy ending". Sure, Oz gets pretty much brainwashed here, but the point is that he is *happy*, he's feeling positive emotions. Which would make no sense if the Rabbit and the bunny ears were Eleanor's creations.
Eleanor is an agony parasite, she thrives on negative emotions. If the ball pit WAS her doing, why would she give you the chance to be "happy" with the bunny ears? She wouldn't. She needs people to suffer in order to get stronger/survive.
I think the Rabbit is made from William's agony, not from the MCI. Why would the MCI's agony act like your dad? They were just children. If anything they would act more akin to a kid, maybe a murderous kid, but still lol. It makes more sense if it is William's.
Also, if Jeff's is the OG 1985 location, and it takes place between 2015-2020, that would mean that Springtrap was trapped in the safe room at one point. Will being trapped there could have created *insane* amounts of agony. Manifesting the Yellow Rabbit (or the agony infected a suit, since when the Rabbit dies, it looks like an empty suit).
Unrelated but kinda related. Does anyone find it weird that if you pick "easy difficulty" on RTTP, you get the bunny ears? Unlike TWB, when you pick the easy mode, you get items that are ACTUALLY useful. Here it gives you the bunny ears, which are a guaranteed game over. Maybe it gives them to you not because it makes the game easier, but it's Oz's "*Easy* way out". If he uses them, he can just forget about his dad and accept the Rabbit into his life. Unlike trying to save your dad, it's *easy* to just accept the Rabbit.
0:43 Answer: Ballora. She got put on the back burner lately and I wish we knew why she was created and why she looks to different. Plus why can’t she open her eyes?
She does during the jumpscare
Dat guy do be busting a move
OMG I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SAW THAT DANCING FREDDY. THING IN FNAF WORLD I SAW IT FIRST WHEN I PLAYED IT AGAIN A WEEK AGO
have you never been on the internet before today
@@crunchysalmons no....i just haven't seen people mention it
1:03 I understood what you were saying, but still burst out laughing. The books don’t have screen time… Or do they? (Dramatic music!) Okay, yeah I’m just kidding.
13:43 Who is this doll? A doll mixture of Elenor and Circus baby in one thing?
18:47 No, but you don’t even need to. That sounds extremely relatable 😅
19:56 Me jamming to the Mario music in the background 😊
I think you mean 1:02
Yeah I thought of that while writing it, but "Page Time" didn't sound right lol
And then there's the funny alternate take that the clown girl doll is actually one of the Circus Baby dolls that give all Help Wanted players nightmares.
I don't think it's an alternate take, it's the more probable take
5:00 Scott’s attracted to clowns confirmed
Remember Frailty? That story was from the first Tales From the Pizzaplex book series about a girl named Jessica. She has a heart shaped pendent like Sarah’s, but every time Jessica shaves off pieces of her pendent to help others, she slowly falls apart into a pile of scrap.
You mention that Elenor probably had more than one victim, so what if Jessica was the first, and was somehow able to trap Elenor in the trunk? IDK, just an idea. 🤔🤷
It's Jessica, not Kelly
Ah, my bad. Thxs for the info.
When I think of mysterious characters I think of Scott Cawthon.....
Real😂
Hello RyeToast,
A theory I have is for Eleanor origin is that she was the original version of the robotic version of Adult Charlie that Henry had made to be his adult version of his daughter after her death based on the book's lore. The reason why Baby has some similar designs of colour and details as Eleanor is because William had stolen E which we hear Charlie being in one of the fnaf novels whether it was the graphic novels like The Fourth Closet or one of the other fnaf books.
When William realised he could not use Elaeanor the way he wanted to, he created the Circus Baby animatronic blueprint based on eleanor design changing the model of eleanor to be known as Circus Baby we know today since they have similar feature like voice mimicking, and similar colors of red, white, and maybe blue while also being two similar designed as clowns.
There is also the fact that if Eleanor was infused in remnant which could easily be thanks to William that might have cause Eleanor programming to change or adjust that have her be more sentient than William wanted. This would give william an reason to try destroy or get rid of Eleanor to prevent her from doing anything to ruin his plan which sets of the fnaf game timeline more and also would explain Eleanor connection to the fnaf story in general.
There is also the fact that this would explain how Eleanor and Circus Baby are both clown with matching colours, hair styles, and explain how henry and william both are involved with Eleanor as described in the fnaf books.
I think that the doll described in return to the pit is meant to be plushbaby. Eleanor looks like baby, but she's a full size animatronic, as far as I'm aware. Plushbaby just makes more sense to me.
Ooh finally some theories on Eleanor 👀 i feel this character should have more discussion about ,but at the same time here isn’t that much to really talk about due to her vagueness
About the question here 1:56 i think it it own continuity, it being in the same continuity with book like VIP and TWB who are straight up canon is tricky , but since it re-adapt ITP instead of a new story like TWB and VIP i think the Game and OG Novel ITP are more trustable interpretation of ITP
Ive always thought, if Elanor was supposed to be anything, shes just a rogue animatronic, probably a dupe of baby in the same way theres like 30 freddies now. Shes just a scrapped/tossed/failed w.e animatronic that wasnt popular and was retired, but got agony-ed or maybe was near something bad happening n now shes all spooky and angy. Idk maybe the remnant collection or body snatching is her trying to prove herself useful to her creater/god.
It's interesting. Elizabeth helps her father, William, without realizing that she is trapped in his animatronic. At the same time, Eleanor helps the rabbit, aka William, without realizing what she really is. The perfect paralel
The thing is Jessica from Frailty has a same heart accessory and also turns into a trash by the end. What's with her then?
0:05 "*Keyboard smashing hijinks*" - RWQFSFASXC's alternate load screen from FNaF World Redacted.
18:55
Pizza sim climax happens on frights
Scrapbaby and molten freddy isn't there because they died inside Pizza sim
I tought about Ella (from the movie and books) because of pink lips and pink cheeks, BUT she is not clown-themed...
14:42 because it’s not the first time we get laughing dolls of her (plush baby in VR and Ruin)… but also Eleanor was working in the Pizza Plex in SB so who knows what’s real
Elenor and Elizabeth both break out of where they’re being held as animatronics and combine with other animatronics to form a greater being. Both had hopes of taking control of the other people in the new body, but when they realize they can’t, leave and do what they can to stay self sufficient out in the world
The doll could be plushbaby
I don’t know why, but when you started taking about Elenor being someone else, my mind just jumped to the idea she was related to Jackie, which would be revealed in Secrets of the Mimic. Yes, I do realize how ridiculous it sounds.
The most mysterious for me is lolbit they have appeared in more than 2 games and because they are an ai makes me think they are either a version of the mimic or something more powerful than it seems because an ai of lolbits smarts during sister location era raises lots of flags for me
Honestly I feel like the most important information we have about Elanor right now is that she's always separate from freddy's. She's never stated to be a fazbear animatronic and the elanor doll is outside of the restaurant. Gives me the impression that freddy's isn't the only place with a ghost problem, and that something that wasn't created or impacted by afton wants to use him to its advantage
I remember when Into the Pit came out, I had assumed that Eleanor was supposed to be Circus Baby (or Charlie 4) from the novel trilogy, since they’re both skinny versions of baby with the ability to change their appearance
15:02 I just have the theory that stitchline is a series of the aftermath of the Silver Eyes Trilogy and Elanor is just Novel Circus Baby after some agony related BS during or after the Climax of 4th Closet, I think there's far more things that tie stitchline to the novel trilogy than to the games. Do I think Tales and the Steel Wool era are also connected? I very much hope not, but possibly yes.
I already find the debate of talesgames/frightsgames/stitchlinegames to be stupid as we have plenty examples in other media where two versions of a story can be 99.9% similar and still be considered separate continuities (by fnaf's definition) and thats before mentioning how an ad from Phineas Taggart was talking about a "cursed Ella doll" which as far as we know is only in the Novel Trilogy appears in 1:35am, How there's no way in hell Henry would slip up and let paramedics find Aftons charred corpse compared to a new restaurant that just had kidnappings take place where authorities will undoubtedly storm the building to make sure of things and find the charred corpse of a man on an endo amalgam in a furnace, and the Suspiciously Charlie-looking woman from the end of 4th Closet (Elanor maybe? I imagine charliebots mk. 3's friends would be her first victims) Elanor being a sort of Agony fusion/reincarnation of Charliebot mk. 3 and Circus Baby (Charliebot mk. 4) makes some satisfaction narratively where it makes her a true foil to Jake/Stitchwraith.
I also think that what happened in 1985 that Oswald saw is the DCI (if we're still to believe that actually happened) because there's no way in hell it would be a "Missing Children's Incident" if you have both adults and children freaking out over dead bodies and trying to get away, but thats for a different comment on a different video
Tl;dr:
If everyone wants to assume TalesGames and Stitchline are games continuity, you might as well consider the Silver Eyes Novels games continuity as Stitchline specifically makes more sense to be connected to that. I don't care too much about Talesgames, and am thinking its separate until proven without a doubt otherwise (in otherwords, I'll never be convinced its in contunuity as the most concrete thing we have in this franchise is the gender of Mangle being yes)
Busting it down, thought he was talking about thick Patrick star in de background
Opened UA-cam to listen to Fnaf theories while I cook and I see this posted 1 minute ago 👌
I had no idea Eleanor was considered such a mystery. I thought she had a pretty obvious solution, although it requires a leap of faith that Henry also tried to bring Charlie back to life, failed (and failed in killing himself). Eleanor is the gamesverse/stitchline version of Baby from the trilogy. "Circus Baby but in the shape of an adult woman" is Other Charlie's true form in the series. Because it was never successful, William never wondered how Charlie seemed to come back from the dead, so never stole her fourth body. This left it free to try to find its own identity, and she gave herself the long version of the name of the doll that Henry was using as the bais to bring Charlie back (Ella to Eleanor). Henry trying to bring Charlie back but failing in both it and killing himself also explains where he was before fnaf6. He was in a mental hospital, recovering from the brain damage he got trying to create robot Charlie.
I do think Eleanor is an Agnony creation, in the sense that she wasn't born directly from anyone's death. But I think you can get conciousness from Agony alone (although I also don't believe in a strict Agony/Remenant divide). Jake doesn't die in contact with the Simon doll that holds the conciousness of Stinger Jake. He's all Agony too. She wants Remenant, because it is a better source of animating power than Agony. The second episode of my own Fazbear Frights video series covers this (and explains the Ella in 1:35AM).
This is in my upcoming into the pit video. I think the blood is actually Agony, it has a physical structure similar enough to blood to fool forensics. Eleanor is using it to bind her victim's minds to the ball pit to keep them from moving on, like we see with Millie in the very end.
In Return to the Pit, the doll version of Eleanor is Charlie's second body, drawn from Eleanor's memories and either directly controlled by her or given her personality (the pit is its own not fully concious entity, a cross between a holodeck from star trek and the cave of evil from star wars). It's the body Charlie should have been in during 1985. Oswald also mistakes the mci victims for dolls at first, and Charlie was the same age as at least one of the victims in the trilogy.
I also explain how there isn't any real time travel in my upcoming video. Oswald never makes it out of the pit.
Scott fully said on dawko first interview that he's not doing charlie bots plot anymore
So yes, eleanor is just a agony creature
@Wizardjones69 Do you have a timestamp for it? I just skimmed through the entire video and I didn't find Scott talking about the trilogy at all.
Also this gets rid of the most controversial parts of robot Charlie: Charlie not knowing she's a robot and being able to exist within regular society for decades without being found out.
And if Scott never wanted to do anything similar to robot Charlie again, why does Eleanor look essentially exactly the same? Why does the last line of the stingers heavily suggest Eleanor has been using an illusion disc the whole time, attached to her pendant? Why does To Be Beautiful revisit the concept of someone not knowing they've become a robot? And then Frailty does so again, just without the unknowing part? There's quite a large middle ground between "Robot Charlie doesn't exist in the gamesverse and the trilogy is never getting a follow up" and "nothing similar with ever happen again", and I'd like to see the exact wording Scott used.
@AbsolXGuardian literally its a agony ilusion, and the pendant doesn't even do high pitched sound
@Wizardjones69
"Once Larson was on the sidewalk, he heard a soft, high-pitched sound. He looked around for the source of the noise and discovered it was coming from the pendant in his palm. It was like it was singing a song but too softly for Larson to make out the words. He held up the pendant to inspect it, and the sun shone through it. It was dazzling."
This is the last line in Fazbear Frights if you don't count the Felix the shark book
@AbsolXGuardian *singing A SONG*
did you know that this pendant contains remnant?
Souls
BUSTING IT DOWN FAZUAL STYLE IS CRAZY
great video btw!!!!!!! im so glad to see one of the big fnaf youtubers finally shed light on this character!!!! shes literally one of fnafs final bosses and not one soul has dared to acknowledge her on here i feel like
2:18 ohhh they stealing my info😭😭
What if Eleanor is the creature of agony created after William's experiments? Eleanor looks like a Funtime. It would be related to the MCI after all, considering Molten MCI.
Ever since the return to the pit video, I have had an idea about the incident amount of dead kids. It’s unlikely that the place we go into isn’t actually the 1985 Freddy fazbears pizza, because Afton wasnt some kind of demonic being, and one thing about the into the pit game caught my eye, is that across the five nights we save five kids, and in the return to the pit book, for the ending where we have to take the party hats of the kids and save from afton are five kids if I remember. And in the lore the event involving the kids possesing the animatronics was called the MISSING child insadent, and if the kids were indeed trapped in the pizzeria from into the pit they would likely be classified as missing, and to enforce this point, in all the different into the pit storys, they day Oswald finds the dead kids, the hole pizzeria is running trying to leave and wanting to get the KIDS out the restaurant, which inforses that what the yellow rabbit did was seen by adleast one person, which would mean that the knowledge of the SIX dead kids made it out the pizzaria, which means they logically would of been classified as dead kids. So for the too long didn’t read people, the Six kids in the party room aren’t the missing children, but the FIVE kids Oswald saves are the missing kids. I don’t have an good idea of what the Six dead kids would meen if this the case, but this is just a theory I came up with, please share any other ideas you have on this theory
maybe the 6 dead kids are supposed to be part of the DCI? like some people theorize that the DCI in fnaf2 was to rile up the spirits of the MCI, so maybe thats why you only see 6 dead kids(DCI) and rescue 5 kids(MCI)
I’m starting to get a little confused with the timeline and the overall theme or purpose behind FnAF😢 I still love the story tho
*sees the blood tentacles come out of her mouth*
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…chat, hear me out-
Pretty good video, I agree that Eleanor is a manifestation of agony, but personally, I think it's Elizabeth behind it rather than the missing kids as it seems that Elizabeth had a sadistic nature like her father, especially since she is shown to be manipulative and violent but that's just a theory
always a tragedy when the cat leaves in the middle of the video 😔anyway as usual, you've put together a solid explanation of a very weird part of the FNAF lore!
She has come to the games and is VERY powerful...
kitty brushing seems so relaxing to both you and the cat
I agree with the end instead of Elemor being molten she's scrap and ctw freddy is molten
15:08 Eleanor is basically described with a resemblance to Baby. You missed the detail of her having green eyes, something which specifically indicated Elizabeth's presense. So for all we know she could be a manifestation of Elizabeth's agony. If the books were in the game continuity
Eleanor is described as a doll a few times, iirc. I remember Larson calls her a "stupid, useless doll" in Epilogue #11 while fighting her.
Honestly I didn't read the doll as Eleanor (despite the physical description). She reminded me more of Ella, a doll made by a father, just like baby (though the father changes in those two cases). It is clearly doing the bunny's bidding, mirroring Elizabeth's relationship dynamics with her father. This tells me she died before MCI, and her memories are somehow mixed in the ball pit. Also would like to mention this happens in a basement, where she lures in the protagonist (just like sister location). Honestly, there are too many connections for the Baby/Elizabeth case vs. "agony and similar description?". Besides, I think this book directly tells us Frights Games is not canon but I digress.
To your point of Eleanor representing the MCI, bro, Elizabeth was part of Molten Freddy too, and I'd argue she was the one who made the plan. Eleanor is a Baby/Elizabeth parallel, NOT MCI. It just happens they are often together, and must be connected some way.
To me, the basement toy from RTTP sounds way more like a plush baby, including the giggling and the neck snap
I would find it kind of weird if Eleanor had the consciousness of the MCI victims and is only like that because of Williams influence, since even after William is gone Eleanor remains as evil as she was before and still has the same goals. Some people consider her to be even more evil than william, which would once again be a weird choice for a character thats actually the souls of his child victims. Yes William does control the mci kids to help him, but it always stops when he dies and they can always be convinced in the books and movie that they should stop listening to him, unlike eleanor who is described as basically being pure evil and there was no way of changing her. I also feel like her ways of killing people don't really fit with it. I can understand the thought that she has some of their agony considering her connection to the ball pit but I don't feel like that's all there is to her existence.
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OH MY GODDDDD
So first I'ma have a lot of fun this video but im SO happy you're doing an Eleanor video, because I also have a theory to what she is.
i think the doll in RTTP is plush baby for a couple reasons:
1. the doll has a red nose, which baby does and eleanor doesn't (not even in ITPG)
2. she has a high-pitched giggle, which is very trademark plush baby
3. if it were eleanor, i think her size would be mentioned. eleanor is the size of a human person. oswald would probably have been more likely to mistake the doll *as* the girl calling for help instead of the girl's toy, or maybe he'd even mistake her for an animatronic.& i don't really see why this would be a small toy version of eleanor when that's never been a thing.
4. plush baby has shown up in places where she logically shouldn't be, such as in random closets in the pizzaplex or in the help wanted fazer blast levels. she just kind of does that.
5. if it were eleanor, i don't see why she wouldn't just kill oswald herself, instead of being a "decoy" to lure oswald into the cellar and ultimately be killed by the yellow rabbit.
Oh i was just rewatching your return to the pit video! Right on time😊
17:55. I dont think I picked up on this connection but it really works
I’m not fully into fnaf anymore only when new stuff comes out but I love watching your videos anyways! 🫶🏾
i didnt read the books. and elanor was so confusing. Thank you for giving us this video.
xor is a logic gate, not random letters
One day I will know who is that fellow in fnaf world that dances
I remember staring at him for a long time in every playthrough of the game
I liked it, also it's heavily implied that one of the things that could've caused Eleanor's existance would be the MCI itself. As if the bad memories of the Missing Children's death somehow created Eleanor and gave form to the entity Afton would've tried to replicate at this point in the timeline; the perfect "servant". Well, at least I think that Afton made the MCI based on Elizabeth's death, since that's also what implies The Fourth Closet with Afton's ideal of, "Re-creating the accident to replicate the same effect".
the doll in return to the pit could likely be plush baby or the fazbear frights version of plush baby, as its description matches plush baby better than eleanor, as eleanor has a white nose while plush baby has a red nose.
2:10 You deserve the achievement "How did we get here" at this point 😅
How you do sponsors is in videos I think is smart with making it have a story so people actually want to know what will happen
There should be a video counting up all the OSHA violations in the trash compactor scene. Is detective Larson even forklift certified?
Honestly Afton's wife is prolyl the most mysterious for me. Mainly because we have Bellora. If she was a nameless NPC in the backstory to justify Afton having kids with someone for the plot convenience of him having kids, that's one thing. But Bellora being around and hinted as being somewhat inspired by Mrs Afton is intriguing because we have to consider what impact or place she might have had on Afton to possibly make a robotic facsimile of her. Plus, did she die, did Afton murder her, or did she simply leave? Did their home life have any reflection in the vampire soap opera scenes somewhat?
It’s kind of crazy how we’re going into the carnival aspect of FNAF which most likely means more CLOWNS…
Rye getting dangerously close to having to address the clussy
As opposed to most unmysterious character that we haven't solved: Which is all of them
FNaF as a whole is a mystery, but that's a good thing.
I haven't watched the full video yet and I don't know if anyone else mentioned it, but at 4:22 when you read the description of Eleanor, you say "long-eyed lashes" instead of "long-lashed eyes" shown in the text displayed. Just a heads up.
I actually have a headcanon that Eleanor’s original/true form is a shadow version of Spring Bonnie, since he was the suit used in the MCI
Shadow Freddy is likely formed from either the Bite of ‘83 or Charlie’s murder - both featuring Fredbear and Freddy respectively, and Shadow Bonnie is likely formed from the DCI - the location where Toy Bonnie resides
Could it just be a plushbaby? They seem to have come back in Ruin.
Happy New Year everyone and I hope for many more.🎉🎉
im like 80% sure that baby and eleanor have some sort of connection because yes there designs are very similar but theres just very small details that cant be a coincidence. for example they both have blue hair ties, purple eye brows, red croptop with frilly/large shoulder pads, black circular knee caps, and im assuming eleanors neck is an exposed endo and that also has a similar design to babys in the way that its not pipes and bars like the ogs but instead composed of wires. and also some behavioral similarities like lying to the main character by pretending to help so that they could get what they want which is a new body specifically a human body.
can you say when you are going to a sponsor. I watch these high and the whiplash I get from "hears the first story of elenor" straight into "help im trapped in a cave" is fucking insane
Eleanoris like Baby's (and/or Jackie's) hair, eyes and facepaint on Ballora's body shape and legs. So that's fun
I think there are screen savers now for when I pause for too long.
So blinking from seeing rye toast to giant cartoon eyes threw me off gahaha
might just be delusional, but XOR reminds me of an XOR logic gate. RWQFSFASXC is for sure keyboard mash
1:22 I’ll tell you Rye what we know about Eleanor we know that she’s very powerful and she’s coming to the games….in fact she’s already now been included in a official main line game so basically that meme is now outdated
I think Eleanor is a counter part to the mimic clown that got filled with agony after the fall fest incident but we will have to see in the new game i guess.
i suppose my reasoning for thinking the doll return to the pit is baby is because talking laughing paranormal circus baby plushes are an established thing in fnaf showing up in weird and unexpected places that dont make sense while elanore in a new doll form isnt
MAAARRRRKKKKKK NGL I love he when the kitties grace us with their presence ❤
Is eleanor powerfull with abilities or is she just there to make choas and stuff and not powerfull
I'm pretty sure the base model for Eleanor was in the first 3 books but in the graphic novels espically when Charlie starts acting weird, so wouldn't it be before into the pit ?
The flaf footage goes hard af
it looks like it was a good time for me to start reading the short stories for myself; currently have books 1-5
It's possible that Eleanor was created by Elizabeth's agony.