Will Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool be remembered as a great team? | Roy Keane: "No, forget about it!" 😲
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Gary Neville, Roy Keane, Micah Richards & Jamie Carragher debate whether Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool team will be considered one of the great teams in history?
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Klopp took over mid table team and took them to 3 CL finals and won PL and set some crazy records at Anfield.
Unbelievable success
👏👏👏
The point is they could’ve won more
That’s why they are cosy sitting in 8th right now. They are a mid table team
Nobody remember the nearly’s though, what will be remembered is 1 prem 1 champions league and a couple league cups which isn’t enough to be with the greats.
@@Itzxkazer and also the 2nd and 4th highest point tallies in the prem
Specialist in failure.... Always losing when It matters
The disrespect on Gary from Micah. Neville is a premier league legend. He's tragically underrated. Micah Richards is nowhere near the level of Gary Neville so to put himself in the same bracket is outrageous
In terms of raw ability Richards was great but neville applied himself better and didn't have the same issues with injuries
Who underrates him?
Agreed, but Neville can't really counter him without seeming sensitive. I think it's Keane's job to call out Richards
All the keyboard morons on youtube. Loads of daft comments about neville’s ability.
@SJH lmao. Gary Neville now getting the Scholes treatment; becomes better and better every year since they retired. On you go.
One thing Keane is ignoring is that United during his career were often winning leagues with points totals in the mid 70s to mid 80s. Liverpool came 2nd with 92 points and 97, it's a lot harder to win titles when you have to run near perfect and are competing with a team that can outspend you.
But it's also not fair to compare league points of different eras.
@@olegvartanov5906 But you have to compare teams and managers that have the same means and money to win trophies. Not only Man City is dimensions above Liverpool financially, but they are not in a better position than Chelsea, Arsenal or Manchester United. You cannot compare the outcome without considering the financoal input in salaries and signing fees and much more. Klopp improve his situation in monetary ways by success. At Manchester City there is no problem if they did not earn enough from the CL or by selling players as they did with Coutinho for example or Mane
@@jimmymegara6681 Yeah. But Roy is talking about all time greats. And for him it's not enough to win it 1 time.
@iannovak5223 it's a comparison of different leagues. Not only teams, but rules, finances, everything.
Taking one stat out of the context is a cheap move for this comparison. Clearly not enough to make any statement.
That's an irrelevant point. Football across Europe was played very differently back then. If that United were playing today they would obviously play very different football, more possession based with overlapping fullbacks, which would have likely resulted in way more points. Teams back then didn't attack with as many players and teams defended more conservatively, so in reality low point tally was just a result of different type of football that was played in that era.
Best Liverpool team in my lifetime, as a 37 year old man, no doubt, legends forever, we love you lads.
Not good enough though
@@Jamie-su1fq not good enough for what? For who?
Agree. Not great though.
1 prem isn't good enough. There are no trophies for 2nd best
Yeah, we've had to compete against Manchester city's endless riches, what Klopp has achieved is simply remarkable , Pep couldn't have done what the same at LFC, therefore Klopp is a far superior manager.
I can’t believe Richards is putting himself in the same bracket as Neville. Maybe Richards had more talent, certainly more strength, but Neville was a better player and obviously achieved so much more
In no way was Richards more talented
Talent no, potential that was never reached, absolutely.
@@mitchconner4057 he had more natural ability than Neville but didn’t apply himself in the same way
Richards was a better full back but his career was cut short due to injury. From 2006-2013, he was absolutely class for City
I think he was suggesting that both himself and G. Neville were below the standards of Roy Keane. Which is true. Even if Gary was better than Micah, neither were world class, which Roy was, at his peak.
I’m sorry, but no way did Michah put himself on the same level as Gary 😂😂
Gary did not enjoy that one. His face went sour!
@@wayne1da121 He did not 😂 but it is his own fault, he has downplayed his career way too much recently.
Is he wrong? Not as good as Garry but they were both just good.
Higher level as a person, not too difficult tho to be fair as Gary is a helmet
@@drstrange9008 Gary Neville was the first choice right back for the best club in the league for over a decade, Gary Neville was an excellent player, Jamie Carragher wasn’t anywhere near his level, never mind Richards
I'm an Evertonian, and let me tell you. If Everton had achieved the amount of success which Klopps Liverpool have, I'd consider that to be a great Everton team. Klopp deserves some support and should only leave if it is what he wants to do.
1 premiership title in 31 years and you call them a great team lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mrjohnop9657 Are you learning impaired? The Klopp era is nothing to do with the previous 25 years. Have you been taking your medication?
You’re full of jelly beans 😂 Good luck in championship next year honey
@@vey9821 Hahaha, I had to quit taking jelly beans because they are too expensive. However, it's pretty much certain that Everton are doomed. I also believe that we will receive a points deduction, when we get there.
Yes. I agree with you because the name is EVERTON but not Liverpool which is supposed to be a top team according to their fans.
😂😂😂😂
Did micah really just put himself in the same bracket as Gary neville 😂😂😂😂
That's not the point he's making. A table can have 4 legs and so can a chair, but that does not mean that they are wholly comparable. Eg: Neither Djimi Traore or Stevie G won the EPL and therefore they are in the same category [No league title] even though their individual abilities are miles apart. Catch yourself on and learn context.
@@mediacenterman8583 er no he was putting himself in the same bracket as neville who was the best right back in the country for 10 years I don't know what your point is with traore and stevie g and chair legs lol
@andy smallz best rb? behave. It's so clear what point is being made. Why are we wasting time on Gary.
@@andysmallz1264 no you don't see the point - that is the problem. read it again a few times and you might.
@@L_Kay name a better english rb in that ten year period
I'm a villa fan...we look at our 96' league Cup winning team as a great team!! Tbf, league title, CL etc the Liverpool team of the last 5/6 years were a absolute brilliant team. Unplayable at times.
Yeah, we look at that team as a good team but no one else does. You have to win more over a sustained period to be a great team.
Make no mistake, Neville was a brilliant player. One of the best right backs, playing almost every game during that golden Man Utd treble season.
Problem is he’s convinced everyone he was bang average with him constantly downplaying his abilities and achievements.
He was a poor crosser of the ball - which is considered these days an essential part of being a full back.
@@grant1390 I don’t think he was a poor crosser to be honest. Not amazing but not bad at all, and better than Micah. Remember a lot of the time he played with Beckham who would usually cross from their right side for obvious reasons, and those two had a great partnership together.
Neville: 400 apps - 35 assists
Richards 203 apps - 10 assists
He wasn’t a poor crosser at all, he just played behind Beckham who was one of the best ever.
@@Graziak5 I think he's admitted himself that was a weak part of his game. Certainly he was below average as a crosser.
He was overall a very good player - certainly not a great player but a very good one.
Neville is a humble man
Liverpool under Klopp have been great like Holland were a great team in the 70s. Beautiful to watch with great players, identity and system of play, and got to finals but just didn’t win enough.
@@snarf2400 just not enough trophies to be termed great. Very good maybe. Great no.
I'm a United fan and I always agreed with Alan Hanson's comment that the truly great teams retain their league titles (Arsenal fans harp on about the invincibles but they only won 1 league title) . However you have to factor in that Liverpool won the champions league and then the premier league the year after which does count for a lot IMO. I'd say they qualify as a great team.
@@snarf2400 the problem is Liverpool got over 90 pts in three seasons - ordinarily that would be 3 premier league titles by historical standards. Problem is Man City get over 90 pts every season pretty much and are probably the greatest premier league team based upon stats
We could also say that until Man City win a Champions League they are not truly great either….
@@BOSIE321 great point, but the question was if liverpool were a great team in the 8 years hes been in charge. Wenger won 3 PL titles and 3 FA cups in his first 8 years at Arsenal. Klopp's Liverpool was great, but for around 3 years.
Micah can't even lace Gary's boots😂How Gary let him off the hook with that I'll never know, imagine if that was Roy😂
Found the person who missed the point!🤦♂That's not the point he's making. A table can have 4 legs and so can a chair, but that does not mean that they are wholly comparable. Eg: Neither Djimi Traore or Stevie G won the EPL and therefore they are in the same category [No league title] even though their individual abilities are miles apart. Catch yourself on and learn context. Of course Neville was superior to him, but he is still not on Keane's level, just like Micah/Bebe/Kleberson/Djemba Djemba😜😜😜
@@mediacenterman8583 any comparison is disingenuous😂
@@mediacenterman8583 how many times have you copy and pasted this incredibly philisophical comment about tables and chairs lol
@@tc98826 ikr😂😂😂
@@tc98826 hes copy and pasted this comment about 20 times and it makes absolutely no sense😂😂
As a city fan I agree liverpool were our only competition an lost a prem title to them an won one by just 1 point! They were incredible an intense an such a well run team credit to klopp great manager 👌
Won twice over them bu 1 point
I really like Michah but he was nowhere near the player Neville was joke that he tried to put himself on the same level 😂
That's not the point he's making. A table can have 4 legs and so can a chair, but that does not mean that they are wholly comparable. Eg: Neither Djimi Traore or Stevie G won the EPL and therefore they are in the same category [No league title] even though their individual abilities are miles apart. Catch yourself on and learn context.
I think he was just saying they both weren’t world class players meanwhile Roy Keane was.
@@mediacenterman8583 why have you commented your ridiculous circular comment that means nothing several times on different comments on this channel? What do you think you’re achieving?
Had potential but never progressed and got injured so much. Gary was a mainstay in the most dominate side in English football history. Gary Neville was another level.
@@katie8325 leave him be, he feels proper smart with his table, chair, 4 leg analogy bless him
Their games have been so exciting and beautiful to watch. Whenever they had the ball they looked like they're about to score. Also, Anfield is a freaking tapestry of football. Fans go berzerk when the team is playing great football - it was a firepit in that Barcelona comeback.
I can't imagine people who watched Liverpool for the past 5-6 years will forget it, but to be remembered as a great team decades later you need more "on-paper" stats than a ucl and an epl trophy. Last year, they were so close to immortality - missed the quadruple by 1 point in epl and ucl final loss.
It's a shame that they were undone so much by Real Madrid in Champions League who were never having a great season. RM's first half of the season is like pre-season by recent Man City and Liverpool standards. Meanwhile you switch of for a few weeks in England and you find yourself struggling for uel qualification. Oh well, nobody cares about context in football history. I mean how many great teams do we know from the past anyway? Sacchi's Milan, Man Utd 99', Guardiola's Barcelona, Zidane's Real Madrid, the Invincibles? I don't see Liverpool's name next to these teams. I guess when you play the game of football heritage, you win or you die.
Liverpool have won every club trophy and got 90+ points on several occasions. Them and MC have raised the bar so high, until this season obviously. I have watched the Liverpool teams of the 80s who won everything, but they never hit the heights this Klopp era team did. And we were 10th when he came in and needed a total rebuild. Only a goal line clearance and I think some poor decisions by one ref last season stopped them winning 3 titles.
The bar hasn’t been raised the points tally has. Great teams win the league and champions league in the same season. Both Liverpool and city haven’t achieved greatness
@@Manbearpig4456 The level of football these two teams have been playing has been mind blowing, if you can't admit that then it can only be tribalism. Liverpool won 30/38 games in 19/20, they dropped 2 points at home all season that season, even after this poor season they haven't lost a home league game with fans there since 2017. I watched Liverpool dominate for about 15 years and only the Dalglish side of 87/88 came close to this level at their best under Klopp. MC have bought their success but you can't say they won't go down as one of the best ever PL sides. KDB, Aguero, Kompany and no doubt Haaland belong in any era, as do Mane, Firmino, Salah. These two are the best two sides I've ever seen, the Arsenal invincibles with Henry up there too but the pace of the game now is incredible, these players are like machines. There are no easy games in the PL so to keep getting 90+ points for a run of years was something to be recognised, I mean Liverpool got 97 points and didn't win the league! That is the standard these two have set.
@@nonnayoubuzinnes1669 How can u dismiss the Liverpool of the 70s n 80s and say this recent Liverpool team are better? Or any team who have won multiple trophies? Competition is the key word here. If I knew I could win the title by getting 85pts, meaning I could win other trophies but resting my top players now n again, why would I need to go for 97 pts. Liverpool were pushed to these numbers because they had no choice as Man City were getting those numbers. Imo both Man City and Liverpool are not great teams. The only genuine great teams over the last 30 years is R Madrid, Man Utd, Barcelona, Bayern Munich. Winning UCL and EPL in the same season multiple times. Don't get me wrong, they are beautiful to watch but football is ultimately a game of winning not how well a team plays. Ask Arsenal fans between 2008 and 2014. Beautiful football, amazing goals but nothing to show for it.
points mean nothing if you dont win something, real madrid failed to reach 90 pts in la liga last season but still beat both man city and liverpool to win champions league, if liverpool are great what are real madrid ?
Liverpool didn't score a single goal in any of the finals they made last year.
I imagine Roy is trying to compare them with his beloved Man Utd in their pomp. I think Liverpool have had a great period for 4 or 5 years. This team reached 3 champions league finals, amassed 99, 97 and 92 points in 3 seasons, won FA Cup, League Cup, Super Cup, World Club Championship. If it’s not great it’s pretty damn impressive. The 2 years they amassed over 90 points and did’t win the title the gap to 3rd place was 18 and 25 points. I think greatness is judged long after and what Klopp has achieved starting with an average team is pretty impressive. All that maybe prevents greatness is the number of near misses and Man City being exceptional. Not to mention Real Madrid being a bit of a thorn. Beat Liverpool in 4 out of 6 of Klopp’s Champions League seasons. I think it’s one of those « nearly » stories.
100%
If they won the quadruple last season then they would of gone down as the greatest club side ever in a calender year, they played every game you possibly can, so close yet so far.
Exactly. Nearly great.
Klopp is still there. Its not over yet. He will rebuild in the summer and go again. Klopp has won everything he can win. Only Fergie can say the same. Fergie would not have sniffed a league against those Liverpool and City teams.
Always have to remember that Liverpool won a CL and reached another final under Rafa. Twice or three times came close to winning the league under Rafa and Brendan Rodgers. Those teams were stifled by Fergie and United, who are without doubt still the greatest ever side the English division has seen. They can also say what Klopp's team says about Madrid and City. Very good, but not as good as the best of that time - which is a minimum standard when we're speaking about the greatest, to be the best of YOUR day first.
Surely , they will be remembered as a great team. Look at how Klopp developed their team by bringing players in and turning things around. He has worked well since he joined Liverpool and make the team go forward , get the top 4 in his second season, go into the UCL final in his third and win later on the UCL and EPL successively . He still has somethings to do and can finish his Liverpool's era next season with a premier league trophy.
It’s a shame this team hasn’t won all the silverware that it probably deserved. Has been a pleasure to watch them
The fact we’ve achieved so much on less than half the budget of city speaks for itself im praying klopp gets the backing for some big signings I know 1 or 2 big names in the squad will make a huge difference like how he transformed us before signing the likes of Virgil and Alisson. In klopp we trust YNWA❤️
Half the budget of City haha don’t be silly 75 mil van dijk 60 mil Allison 70 mil Nunez 30 mil gakpo and jota list goes on
@@phildixon5769 Since 2016 Manchester City have spent £900 million reinforcing their squad.
Since 2015, Liverpool have spent £557 million.
It’s not ‘half the budget’ but it’s close.
@@eggthief9310 but that’s only because Utd overpay. Those players arent actually worth £900 mill
@@trappz_io2620 he said Man City
@@robertlennon2184 oh my bad
They were a great team who were pipped by a greater team on a few occasions.
Where’s Man City’s Champions league?
@@aks99-4 I’m surprised you didn’t know this already - they’ve never won it.
Then again, there were two great Bill Shankly teams that never won the European Cup either. Likewise, the first great Liverpool team I remember (Barnes, Beardsley, Aldridge etc) really ought to have won the double a couple of times between 87-90.
Great teams still don’t get everything their way, do they.
To give an example of what I meant, that 2018/19 Man City team won everything except the Champions League (losing to Spurs on away goals in an amazing game) and kept a great CL-winning Liverpool team with 97 points from the title.
I liken the City/Liverpool era to the Liverpool/Forest era of the late 70s and early 80s. Forest did incredibly well and were a great team but Liverpool’s ruthless dominance of the league in Bob Paisley’s time (even bettering Forest’s European Cup haul) was even better.
But then again, where’s Bob Paisley’s FA cup, eh? 😄✌️
@@nellypringle2875 Thanks for your intelligent reply. The other commenter's question was so simplistic
Maybe a great Liverpool team. Not a great team.
Roy and carra are right great teams win multiple leagues no matter who you play. Just because you good for a few years doesn't make you a great team
Micah Richards needs to remember what level he was actually at…. I’m not Neville’s biggest fan but you cannot compare them…
Thats what happens when you stroll around people under your level,
They start to believe they are same as you
Gary got his own socialist medicine
@@mchannel1365 Spot on.
They were a great team. Look how much excitement Liverpool brought in last 6 years. Only a great team can do that.
A great team but no where near the best liverpool team. Liverpool in the 70s and 80s were way better if you judge it by trophies alone.
Isn't excitement subjective from fan base to fan base? I'm sure Swansea fans were excited in 2012/13 when they won the Capital One Cup and finished 9th
For the money liverpool spent klopp has worked wonders, its inevitable there is going to be a drop off if there isnt heavy investment, i think liverpool could splash out the summer but not sure what will be available with no champions leauge football
@@phils6723 For the money Liverpool has spent? 😂
van Dijk - €84.65m
Nunez - €80m
Alisson - €62.5m
Keita - €60m
Diaz - €47m
Fabinho - €45m
Jota - €44.7m
Gakpo - €42m
Salah - €42m
Firmino - €41m
Konate - €40m
13 of Liverpool's 25 most expensive signings of all time are still at the club, plus Mane, Lallana and Wijnaldum have only recently left. Recruiting well does not equate to low spend, Liverpool has still spent €881m since 2015/16, more than the likes of Real Madrid and Bayern Munich.
@@callumjames8746 some of the signings were funded by coutinho sale.
Great team. Everyone feared Liverpool. We spanked City multiple times too. Have to keep investing. Not enough depth to sustain it. Adapt quicker. As a Liverpool fan we have endured a lot, and Klopp will always be remembered as our saviour. Credit to the fans for creating the best atmosphere in football 💪🔥
You spanked City a few times but they ended up with the 🏆 80% of the last 5 years. 😊😅
So one bad season means they are no longer a great team? That makes sense 😅
Before this season, there was talk about this Jurgen Klopp team as being one of the best ever in Premier League history due to the lack of financial investment compared to the rivals
You bought your keeper for 80M. Arguably your best player for 80M. But they're not saying it wasn't a great team, they're saying they underachieved for what they should've done. 1 Prem title dosent grant you the title of one of the real best of the best teams in the EPL
@@PLUTOXGOAT coutinho miney funded ali and van dijk. Your talking about 80M on 2 players since 16/17. Meanwhile man united jus crawled out their hole spending 90M on antiny alone. Liverpool spent that money and 2 good positions to help them. Meanwhile united and other teams splash on on every position. The fact liverpool was in CL final 3 times, uefa super cup, cwc,fa cup etc and their highest splash was 5 yrs ago until dawrin nunez. Id like to see a manger spend 80M on a defender and keeper and see how they do for 5yrs.
@@PLUTOXGOAT if liverpool under achieved splashing 80m each on 2 players then i cant see the rest of the league get into 3 CL finals and 6/ trophies with 2 80M players. United have spent hundreds of millions since 2015, whats to show for that?
They’ve had more than one bad season if the bar is a great team, they’re talking about all-time teams when they say great
@@dwightschrute7602 yeah it did, but either way Liverpool still spent money to improve their team. Liverpool don't do what they did if they didn't buy van dijk or Allison that's a fact, even Diaz for 50mill too, but some fans are acting as if they didn't spend a thing and all their players are academy graduates.
On the other hand, bought Salah 30mill, firmino was about 30 mill, mane around that too, Fabino and thiago 40 mill, Liverpool bought quality for low prices which is excellent business if you ask me, as a utd fan I wish we done transfer business like Liverpool do, get good players for low. Instead we splash 100 mill here and there for established players or players 40 mill more than they're actually worth.
So for example with competing with city over the years, they bought Mahrez at 60 mill, Liverpool bought Salah for half that, who got the better deal?
There hasn't been a single team that's actually challenged Man City except for Liverpool. Had Liverpool not won that title, City would be on a 6-peat.
Liverpool deserve a lot more credit.
££££££££££££££££ = trophies. UAE money men deserve 95% of the 'credit'
@@ricardotella1864 City breaking over 100 rules say enough and Klopp rivalled them without much of a budget or cheating. FSG made him sell players to buy 1 player.
Totally agree!!!!!! ricardo!
Kudos to you sir, finally someone talking sense!...instead of the same old hyperbolic rhetoric.
What a stupid take should we call the 97 arsenal team great because they stopped united doing the 6 peat 😂
Klopps LFC team is a great team the style and intensity they bring is insane. This season they just had an injured mid field for most of the season.
I would even say a team like Villarreal are great considering the little money they have compared to the bigger Spanish clubs.
Carraghers last point is massively relevant and one that people have been hesitant to bring up - Klopp cannot expect to play at the same level of intensity with these players as he has done for the last 5/6 years. They are burned out and there has been a lack of willingness to adapt and modify the play style accordingly. Time for an overhaul
Took Sir Alex 13 years to win the full set of trophies.
Jurgen Klopp done it in just 6 years.
They were consistently good for three solid years , set ridiculous standards they definitely were a great Liverpool team for that period, year or two either side they were good
I think we are seriously ignoring that the only reason they havent got 3 titles from 5 years is a team that broke more financial rules than any other club in history. Whilst doing it with less spending than the next 3 teams.
😂😂excuses excuses
Cry a little more😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Still using that Coutinho money?
Netspend FC
Gary Neville:
2 CLs, 8 EPLs, 3 FA Cups, 3 League Cups,
85 international caps.
Micah Richards:
1 EPL, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup
13 International caps.
Both Roy and Gary are right. I personally think the quadruple last year would've been just deserves for a team who've been pipped by a point twice (by a team who've cheated financially) and reached 3 CL finals in 5 years. They would've earned an "invincibles" level of recognition, in achieving a one off accolade like that.
From a Liverpool fan. It's a great Liverpool team. But yes it's a pity Man City stop it being a great all Time team.
Won Premier league, Community shield, FA cup, League cup, Champions league, World Club cup and European Super cup. x 1 runner up Europa league, x 2 runners up in PL (90+ points), x 2 runners up in CL, x 1 runner up league cup. A very good team- 4 European finals in 8 seasons is not bad.
Roy never gets old. Loved him when I was a kid. Love him even more now
He has got old
@@tf2368 everyone does get old. Unless you don’t
@@criticalhitseeker 🙄
Nice subtle clap back from Carra to Roy. Roy said winning just these single titles don’t qualify you as a being a great team. Carra agreed and added that a team needs to win 2-3 league titles and European Cups. The only British team to have ever done that was the Liverpool team in the late 70s and early 80s. Neville and Keane didn’t look to impressed 😅
United won 2 UCLs and 7 EPL titles in 10 years so don't know what he's on about 😂
@@mellowfellow7604 from 1976 to 1986 liverpool won 8 titles , 4 european cups , 1 UEFA cup , 1 fa cup , 4 league cups and there was a treble and double in that decade too.
@MADCHESTER UTD Your first point doesn’t equate to anything, just because it’s QPR & Watford doesn’t mean they weren’t good sides at the time
United won 3 PL in a row and also won CL I'm 2008 during that time 👀
I think Neville and Keane winning 7+ Premier Leagues excuses them for not winning 3 Champions Leagues 😂
The Liverpool/City rivalry reminds me of the United/Arsenal rivalry during the Ferguson/Wenger era... Ferguson's United were a 'greater' team than Wenger's Arsenal, but that Arsenal team still managed to do something 'great' when they had their invincible season. Domestically, Pep's City have been better than Klopp's Liverpool - and you could say the same about Zidane's Real Madrid in Europe too - but this Liverpool team have collected one of each trophy, which is still pretty great (especially when you consider how mediocre the club was for 30 years!)
PS Yet in that 30 years we still won trophies including ANOTHER EUROPEAN CUP making it 6 not to bad really 😂😂😂😂
@@bobrail733you do realise the OG included that in his comment when he said they managed to win 1 of EACH cup.
What rivalry? There's only one, maybe two, rivals in the league for Liverpool, and City aren't one of them. Dream on.
@@steve_ire321 that's only because of money, city can replace a full team in a season. Before city had money they was no better than Middlesbrough back in day
@@steve_ire321 Are you serious? The past 5 years have been Liverpool vs City, Klopp vs Pep... it's been era defining... they've been each others only rivals, because no other teams could compete
Ferguson in his first seven seasons at man utd he just won 1 premier league title, and there is a times where he finished 11th and 12th
What a FRUAD
Obviously depends of how you define great…for some people, only winning 1 league title will never be enough for them to be considered great
For most people.
@FLGBTQ 🤣🤣🤣what a terrible example!! Of course they weren’t
@FLGBTQ The greatest ever Liverpool squad won 4 European cups. More than tinpot United have in their entire history
@@aks99-4 Were they the European cups back when you were playing chimney sweeps and dustmen from cities around Europe that had names like Wifi Passwords?
Can’t believe people disregarding 70s/80s football. So Maradona, Platini, Baresi, Cruyff are frauds by their standards. Pathetic.
Can't be classed as a great team? Madness. Over the period this Liverpool has turned up and turned out. Look at these achievements:
1 PL (99 pts) - yes 1, but was up against a great city side and lost twice by 1 pt. These races were great and went down to the last day and could've gone either way. Pts total of 97 & 92. Great advert for the Prem. Those races will be remembered. All great title races are.
1 CL - But made 3 CL finals and 1 EL final. The only english team challenging the spanish dominance.
1 Super Cup, Club World Cup, FA Cup, Carabao Cup and Community Shield.
Lets talk about style of play and entertainment. What City and Pool has done during this time has been outstanding.
This was a team that lost the quadruple dream on the last day of league by a pt. No team has ever come so close.
Sometimes the journey matters as much as the destination. This Liverpool team made a stop at every destination required aong its journey. Something City hasn't yet.
So, if City can be considered great, then surely Liverpool can be too.
As a Manchester City supporter I would class them as a great team and I don't think longevity is the only factor, one of the best teams I have ever seen play was the Notts Forest team of the late 70s and they "only" had 3 years of success with that original league winning team.
They also won 2 European cups on the bounce against European superpowers. I don’t think you can compare that team to this Liverpool team because it’s full of stars. Also Forest had only been promoted the year before too surely and won more major trophies.
@@tramp.gutter Not sure Malmo would be classed as European superpowers, but anyway my point wasn't to compare them.. That Forest team was amazing, as someone that watched them closely live a number of times I have only seen one side that was as well drilled as them. My point was just if you take greatness as just being longevity the Forest team wouldn't qualify, this has been a great Liverpool side perhaps they haven't won as much as some other great sides, but that doesn't mean they aren't great.
@@mjc8281 in those days there were powerhouses across Europe, not just a handful of countries. Chelsea, Man City and Spurs were nobodies.
@@mjc8281 No smart fella, I was talking about things like beating a great Liverpool team on the way to the final. I think Forest’s achievement was 2nd to none, promoted straight to winning Champions League’s and League Titles? But this Liverpool team is no where near in my opinion, what do they have 3/4 major trophies in 7 years? And that’s enough to be put up along other side Man United’s great teams? Liverpool’s great teams before? The invincibles? The metric is becoming so small now for a team to be “great” win a couple trophies and sporadically finishing 6th and 8th is now is “great”
@@aidygooner Not really Malmo had only progressed once in Europe before the season they reached the final and it was another 10 years before they would play there again, all three teams you mentioned had already won European trophies by 1977
we’ve already seen they’ve replace the front 3 that was ‘irreplaceable’ the defence has been shaky but it’ll be ok for another year, they really just need 2 box to box players and a holding midfielder to challenge fabinho and they’ll be great. Long story short if the board back klopp they’ll go on to have another great couple seasons but if they don’t liverpool will fall away it’s that simple
Klopp is just unlucky to be in the shadow of great financial giants. But he is arguably the greatest coach and manager to have ever lived.
Guardiola and Cruyff say hi😊
The caliber of player he develops from scraps in uncompetive teams like mainz dotmund and Liverpool bsay he might be greater than this coaches .... Particularly pep
@@robertgituhu9975 have you seen the influence of Guardiola in football and how modern teams play now?
Klopp is nowhere near Pep
He is at best for Liverpool
What Klopp has won in his entire career ... Pep did that in his first job
Klopp is a very good manager but he isn't very consistent at winning trophies
He hardly ever retains a trophy
The only exception was the 2011 and 2012 and BVB
Pep has done that 3peat in 3 different leagues
Not even The great Carlo, SAF, SACCHI could do that
Carragher always talks like he’s struggling with indigestion
Imagine him saying Gaviscon. You'd have to towel down the rest of the panelists afterwards
Liverpool making sure they finish outside European football qualification, it’s master plan next season it’s Saturday to Saturday football just like NUFC this season very fresh & eager to play , Liverpool have had 4 mental seasons it’s taking it toll , need a clear out of the OAPs thou for that high intensity press
@@CrowTails88 yeah master plan, lose millions of pounds and transfer targets and win nothing. Great plan
Beer and a indians his favorite
@@CrowTails88 I wouldn’t say it’s a master plan lol but I can see them coming back next season as long as they don’t sack klopp
If Liverpool don’t sign the correct midfielders it’s gonna be dark days ahead for Liverpool they need to get this summer spot on correct players that fits the system and the project
Yeah ayt
As a liverpool fan born in the 90s this is the best liverpool team we have seen in the past 30 years of my life
They were a great team! Some say they were the best runners up in the Premier League history! 👏
Klopp is an excellent coach and role model! Liverpool fans are very honoured to have him. United explayers and chuckle pundits show they are always clouded by idiotic subjectivity. Always be objective and respect!
In 4 competitions last season and ended up with two. Squad needed investment especially at RB, couple midfielders and a striker. The Deadwood needed moving on and young quality fresh legs brought in. When Liverpool singed Arthur an injury prone midfielder and gave a yearly extension to Milner I knew they wouldn't get top 4. Since they have won the league the net spend has been woeful. Only City spending less.
2 out of four but the least important ones out of those 4
City spending less…. Wake up 😂😂😂 since klopp and pep have been on charge coties net spend is much more.
Also Dont be fooled by this nonsense net spend city are saying tbe last few years. Take haaland for example yes 55milliom seems a bargin but on top of the 55 million fee his agent got 60 million and haaland himself got an 80 million sign on fee 😂 not to mention his salary is 900k a week…. No other team can come close to affording that.
900k a week
Liverpool top earner is salah on 300k and the rest are all 200 and less
This Liverpool era is not a historically great era for us. I compare Klopp's era and the accomplishments of his team to what Forest achieved under Clough and Taylor in the late '70s. Judged against Forest's trophy haul before or since that time, it's THE great team in their history, but not against the standards of City currently, Utd from '93-'13, and, LEST WE FORGET, the Liverpool teams from '73-'84 that held Forest back as City have been doing to us
I think Roy is being abit unfair they won everything in that time frame and runners up as well especially in this era.
Great teams have more consistent output and don''t go seasons with nothing to show. Not even one back to back EPL title and lost 2/3 UCL finals.
@@mediacenterman8583 they will be remembered for holding the record for winnign the league in thr fastest time. They areblike the only team in european history to win 22 out of their first 23 games.
@@bigmol1633 Not as good as some of those elite premier league teams of the 00s. Uniteds three peat team of Rooney Ronaldo Tevez or Chelsea’s mourinho MK1 machine of the mid 00s. Arsenal Invincibles too.
Be the Andy Murray of PL teams. Would have been right up there but overshadowed by an all time great team.
In an eight year period, there have been greater teams, e.g. Wenger won 3 PL and 3 FA cups in his first 8 years at Arsenal.
If you add runners up medals into that - you would see they've been a great team.
15-16 - 8th (60pts) : Europa league runners up; League cup runners up
16-17 - 4th (76pts)
17-18 - 4th (75pts) : CL runner up
18-19 - 2nd (97pts): CL winners; EPL runners up
19-20 - 1st (99pts): EPL winners; Super cup winners; World club cup winners;
20-21 - 3rd (69pts)
21-22 - 2nd (92pts): FA cup winners, League cup winners, CL runner up; EPL runner up
In any other era, that Liverpool team adds (atleast) 2 more league titles to their haul, and they were 2 pts (that's winning 1 draw btw) and 1 goal off (or more specifically 1 GK playing the game of his career) from winning everything last year(which has never been done). They also went unbeaten at home for 2 years over this period. Just because they didn't get over the line you can't deny that it wasn't a great team. But they don't quite get in the "all time" greats because they didn't get over the line. (the 3 90+ seasons would have got them the win almost every other EPL year don't forget)
The team is in transition this year (and there are a number of reasons for that, but the over arching is simply exhaustion - which a number of teams are suffering with this year). But i have no doubt they'll be back fighting on all fronts next year. I don't think Liverpool's era is over. They've still got some world class players and some top talent.
There's no doubt they'll be remembered as a great team. I've said it before, they were brilliant, they just peaked at the worst possible time. That is, when the best team the league has ever seen were also at their best. They finished second twice with 90+ points, which had never happened in top flight history. My dad's generation says the Leeds team in the 70s were a great team. They finished second a lot, never won anything in Europe. Still remembered as a great team. Klopp's Liverpool team were excellent, there's no debate whatsoever. To measure them by trophy haul alone is what you do when you want to undermine them.
97 and 92 points and no title is just silly lol
@@Trudon exactly. Any other year in the leagues history both those points totals would have won you the league.
Keane is not objective when it comes to Liverpool. I'm a Liverpool supporter, but I have to admit that (for a variety of reasons) Klopp's team may just fall short of 'great team' status. One was the relatively lower spending by FSG. Klopp's game plan could be all or nothing at times. Their luck in finals swung one way and then the other. There were too many injuries and the squad was rarely at close to full strength. Confidence could fall too easily at times and tactics on the field had to mostly be sorted out at half time and not during the first half. These are relevant, despite all the strengths of the manager and players.
@@CaminoAir I respectfully disagree. Forget all if that, and just look at cold hard data. Good teams win, at the very least, football games. Liverpool won a lot under klopp in that 3 year spell where they got 97, and 99 points respectively. Plus a cl trophy. That's a great achievement, which mediocre teams cannot do. Yes you're right, Keane cannot be objective when talking about Liverpool. I'd go one further, I don't think he can be objective about much at all. Almost everything he says is loaded with bias and emotion. Legendary footballer he is, well balanced methodical thinker, he is not
How are you defining great? For me, it's output and this generation of LFC did not win enough consistently like City/Barca/Real or even going back to the days of Rush & Dalglish.
Won everything to win made me happy for years enjoyed the winning as a Liverpool supporter 😊😊😊😊😊
They are a great team and to be getting that many points and appearing in that many champions league finals at the same time is a ridiculous level. I know where Keane is coming from but think he needs to pay a bit more respect.Ferguson’s united dominated for 20 years, in that period united reached 4 champions league finals, klopps Liverpool reached 3 finals in 4 years.
I cannot believe what I'm watching. This Liverpool team:
1) Won 1 PL trophy
2) Missed out on 2 other PL trophies by ONE point
3) Got 99 and 97 points
4) Won 1 CL trophy
5) Went to 2 more CL finals
6) Won 1 FA cup
7) Won 1 Super Cup
8) Won 1 Club World Cup
9) Won 1 League Cup
10) Won 1 Community Shield
10) Was chasing the quadruple last season
In what universe is that not a great team??
Klopp's Liverpool are not finished yet this is a transitional season, next season it will be a different team and a new team to challenge for the league title.
They were a great team, great system and style of play that worked, Keane is wrong here, teams don't last as they get dismantled and rebuilt due to injuries, ageing players and players that lose motivation and have to be moved on, they may only have won a few trophies but they won the big ones and its the football they play as well not just success, I think Klopp needs a clear out for sure some of the players have clearly lost that drive for success, Van Dijk isn't the same since his injury, Milner is too old, Henderson may be ageing now and can't cut it every game, some players have been flops, Klopp has a lot of work to do but he knows that
It's crazy how quickly a good thing/team can fall apart. Remember when everyone was talking about a Klopp and Liverpool dynasty incoming when they were playing like they did for those 2-3 seasons, steamrolling everyone week in week out. No doubt having Man City about and being just as good or even better stopped that Liverpool team from winning back to back titles and a CL in the same season as the PL. On their day they could probably beat most of the truly great club sides in history, just a shame for them it was a relatively short lived thing. Can't see Klopp building another 100 point a season side. That was partly Klopp but also that bit of magic that Mane, Firminho and Salah had that nobody can predict. You won't put together another front three like that anytime soon
The reality is klopp won the league after 30 years , that alone goes down in history
I'm sixty yrs old and been watching football since the sixties and never seen one Man utd team make 90 plus points,even in a 42 game season,or achieve three European/ champion league finals in four yrs or compete against a state owned club. Yet they are called great teams. Perspective
They was a great team, won everything possible and to be fair some decisions didn’t go their way in 2018/19 and 2021/22 in the league
LOL
nobody will remember that though. people don’t remember 2nd place
Have to agree with Neville for 3 years they were a great team to watch and played some brilliant and entertaining football. The Trio of Mane, Salah and Firmino will be remembered as one of the best attacking trio's
They were a great team at their peak but Roy is right they didn’t win enough to be classed as on of the great teams of British football history
1 PL, 1 CL, 1 FA cup 1 League cup in 7-8 years isn’t great some clubs have won that in just 2 years
You forgot 1 EUFA Super Cup, 1 Community Shield, 1 Fifa World Cup and 3 CL finals in 4 years period under Klopp. Even Ferguson could only reach 4 CL finals in 20 years.
Manchester City (2017-18) - 106. A famous season for many reasons, Manchester City and Pep Guardiola were all-conquering as they became the first side to rack up 100 points in the Premier League, and in which they scored a mammoth 106 goals in the process
Imagine if Roy had to compete with this City, wouldn't have won anywhere near the trophies whilst still displaying the same ability.
That's Walter Mitty fantasy
I believe people will remember more the Salah/Firmino/Mane combination more than they will the team as a whole, no disrespect to the other members of the team.
All comes down to not having the same money as the other teams at the top. For what Klopp has bought over the years he’s done really well
I can’t believe that micha classes himself with gary, and gary not at the same level as Roy! Both amazing players
The very great teams win multiple leagues over a number of years,
Great teams are like Liverpool of the 80s, Man Utd of 90s, 2000s, City under Pep, and you look outside of the PL, Barca under pep, Milan, all won numerous leagues, cups etc
Great teams also win the Champions League, until they do City shouldn't be mentioned alongside those other sides you brought up
I agree with you but disgraceful not to mention Real Madrid.
Context matters. The 97 point season where they finished second they were a few centimeters and an off the line clearance going through Salah's legs away from a 98 point invincible season and UCL winners.
They where unbelievable that season, but the truth is, trophies matter more than context. That's the reality. Arsenal's invincible was amazing, but is more memorable because they one the title as well.
@@trekunda true. But if that ball crossed the line at the Etihad this would be a completely different conversation. You need luck sometimes and it was against them then. Centimetres from an invincible 98 points and UCL winners. They were better that season than they were in 19/20 in my opinion. The moral of the story is this City team are outrageous to have stopped that Liverpool team winning the league that year. Taking nothing from them. Two great teams in their prime against each other. What a season it was. City winning 14 on the bounce to keep their 1 point advantage. Liverpool winning 14 on the bounce to stay 1 point behind.
@@theekomodojoe if, if , if
@@andreicornea7527 great team
With the net amount of money he's had to spend, he's performed miracles in winning every trophy possible in his time at Liverpool.
Does not make a team great.
@@tankourito5419 in your tiny opinion.
Nunez - 100 mill (with add ons)
Van Dijk - 75 mil
Allison - 60 Mil
Konate - 50 mil
Ox - 40 mil
Keita - 55 mil
Jota - 45 mil
Fab - 40 Mil
Gakpo- 60 mil
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@@lima5421 haha the “net spend” brigade is here!!!
@@GIBBO4182 can't argue facts, Gg!
They are a great team. Period. It’s insane what he has achieved with the resources at his disposition.
Not ever a Liverpool fan but Klopp's Liverpool side at it's peak will absolutely batter any Liverpool side of old not even debatable
Delusional as they come you obviously never watched Liverpool of 70s and 80s they were way better team than this one and won miles more.
‘Previous Liverpool teams winning 3 or 4 titles in a row’ says Carra. They won 3 in a row once (great side). Not 4. Nobody has done that. Other teams that have won 3 in a row? MUFC (twice), Huddersfield (once).
Given the financial constraints Liverpool play under when compared to City, and the crazy injuries they’ve had over the years (20-21, this season) Liverpool have absolutely been a great team. Getting 97 points in a season and not winning the league is just mad. The football they played during this period has been great to watch, no question!
When compared to all prem clubs. If you compare to city we've probably gotta wait 5 years for those results to be released
No prizes for second
No prizes for second
Carragher made a good point about intensity and longevity towards the end there.
The only team to get 90+ points without breaking FFP
Loads of teams have got 90 points
@@lewis9275 Only team to get 90+ points 3 times without breaking FFP or the help of Putins mate.
@@dman9152 Man United have also done it multiple times as have Arsenal.
@@dman9152 you shouldn’t be proud of our country sacking someone based on their ethnicity and ties to their homeland
@@lewis9275 no they have not. Tell me when.
Arsenal got 90 points when they went invincible. I don't know when united done it. But they definitely didn't do it multiple times.
Very true. As a LFC fan we have deserved a few more titles. But we have come up against an incredible Man City side the past few years!!
A cheating Man City side you mean
Are these guys seriously going to ignore that one of the reasons why Liverpool don’t have more league titles under klopp. Is due to Man City having more money than god and breaking every financial rule under the sun. Also the fact that klopps Liverpool have won every possible trophy there is to win and for that team not to be considered great is something I seriously don’t agree with. Not saying they’re the greatest team ever but they’ve earned that respect. And yes I am a Liverpool fan by saying this and I’ll probably get slagged for this. But before any rival fans decide to do that, please remove any biased views you may have and look at context. Of course that’s easier said than done in this day and age😂😊
You have to beat what’s in front of you. No other title winning has an easy run at it. You’ve been unlucky with pep being your main competitor but that’s football
Roy would be saying it was a great team if it was man united. He’s bitter that we won the title end of story
There was a great team between jan 2019-feb 2020 there went unbeaten getting 122 points from a possible 132. So yeah there was definitely a great team
They are a great team, but because City are better in the league due to squad depth, they won't be remembered as such.
To lose out over a 38 game season by a single point means you're almost as good as the winner, and if they're classified as 'great', then so is the runner up, especially if the runner up has surpassed the points total of previous 'greats' when they won the league. However, years down the line, only the winners will be remembered.
That's why Liverpool winning the champions league that year they came second on 97 points was so important. They had to come back against Barcelona or all that effort would have been for nothing. The only game they lost that season in the league was city away.
the ever so subtle rock back from Neville when Micah put himself on the same level lol
Yes, won everything. Not easy these days with how powerful City have been.
No chance. Havent retained a title and citys CL record is embarrassing.
Yes the cheats of man city
@@modinikiluli isn't everyone's in England then apart from Liverpool?
Man United dominated for 20 years and only won it twice under the Fergie era
@@kopthelotklopp1523 did they retain a title?
@@modinikiluli man United retain a champions league you mean? Nah they've never done that.... Liverpool have though.
Fair play to Maurice for keeping himself in shape. Not many of us could still fit into our school uniform.
They are one of the premier league's all time greatest teams. They were unbelievable. The 3 strikers pressing from the front, the goals Salah and Mane scored, they changed the game.
When Liverpool beat Barcelona 4-0 at home to get to the Champions League final (after losing 3-0 away) that was a moment of greatness. Unfortunately a ball boy put 2 fingers up to Messi after the match and it revealed the less great side to Liverpool. A proportion of the fans want their cake and eat it, (they try it on! ), and it puts people off the club and the city. Booing the National Anthem at the cup final, rejoicing in Everton's struggle (when a good rivalry boosts a city) some fans causing problems at Heysel and other grounds,some trying to get in for free, kids throwing stones at visiting coaches. There's a good proportion of decent Liverpool fans, (like the ones who tried to rescue lives at the Hillsborough disaster and the victims ), but unfortunately there are some who aren't in Bill Shankley's league character wise.
Every1 remembers Leicester winning just one trophy cause it was memorable. No one going to remember City winning the last few PL titles, not really. Liverpool at least lost a CL final and won it the next year, which was an impressive achievement. I think with a prime salah and Mane they definitely had a great team compared to others and people will remember that team more than Uniteds, City's or Chelsea, they were fun to watch
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Bro come on, people will remember Pep's impact on the PL and his success. You sound bitter.
@Mani S not at all. City have a great team but that's the problem, people just expect them to win titles cause they buy squads most other teams couldn't afford. Thats why Liverpool winning the title amongst peps team ranks as a great achievement and they'll be remembered more than city who have won a few recently but its not as big an achievement when you have their players
Well done, you essentially described how we remember things, but you were halfway there.
Leicester winning the league is a great memory, but memory is relative. Only the people who experienced that moment will be able to comprehend how incredible that was. Add a narrative that media and fans cling on to, and you got a unique season that everyone remembers... but why does that matter? In terms of greatness, surely then we should be talking about legacy? That is success over a long period of time. You say no one cares, but we all know how many times Utd won the league. How many times Germany won the WC, how many balon D'ors Messi has, how many ucl Madrid have... we don't remember all exactly, but that's legacy.
Granted, yeah, the 1st time you do something is big, but when you fail to build on top of that, that's when questions get asked and words like fluke, miracle, etc. Pop up, and you can fade into nothing. look at city, however, 100 points, 100+ goals, 4 domestic cups in a season, most consecutive league Cup wins... for the 3rd time potentially could win the race for a title from behind for most of the season. But the point there is they built soon the narrative will flip and they will be respected give it another 5 years probs.
@@merlin7654 ???? okay then.
They aren’t ready for the uncomfortable conversations about VVD and Fabinho
VVD post ACL has been shaky. He also needs a functional midfield in front of him to look at his best, which Fabinho doesn’t really offer anymore.
Put that team in the 90's era and they'd wipe the floor with Roy's team. Points tally's prove that.
I sit on the fence with this, they were a joy to watch when in their prime and at their peak. The issue is that they were bridesmaids too often. Another Premier League title & another Champions League, then I would definitely be tempted to call them a great team. They had seasons where they went on wobblies which cost them big time & at times they were inconsistent.
Klopp’s a great manager & he needs backing from their owners, but at the same time he’s showing faith too much faith in players past their best. Salah, Henderson, Van Dijk (to an extent), Fabinho & Thiago. They should’ve cashed in on Salah when they had the chance and clubs were offering the big bucks for him. Liverpool need major injections & to invest in fresh blood.
Great teams win things. 3 major trophies in almost 10 years at one of the biggest clubs in the world shouldnt be viewed as success
They won the lot
If you completely ignored where they were in relation to other teams. And they won 4 major trophies in 8 seasons, 2 of those not full ones.
@@kb5509 people don’t think about financial differences when they look at great teams. Do you know Arsenal’s income the year of the Invincibles or United’s income the year of the Treble?
@@karmaascendant3936 You can’t just ignore the fact they were competing against at state owned club who’s B team could finish in the top 4. United and Arsenal back then weren’t
@@karmaascendant3936 people that don't understand football? Why would you not?
Not off the top of my head, but I know Arsenal had way more money than anyone else except United, and Chelsea hadn't time to put together a top side yet. And the financial advantage United had was insane, like a giant stepping on not very good ants.
Money buys success in football, why would you not think about that.
The term great is very subjective but here is my take. A great team would be one who consistently wins trophies over many years (+5). Teams like this would be Liverpool in the 80's, Utd in the 90's and 00's and City for the last 7/8 years. Then you have your second tier such as Arsenal's invincibles, Chelsea during the early Abramovic years and Klopps Liverpool. Teams who perform, compete at the highest level and win major trophies but not as consistently or for as long as the aforementioned
Swear Roy just says these things to get a reaction, giving a scathing opinion doesn't make you a good pundit if it isn't backed up with analysis and valid points. The amount this reds team have achieved with such a small budget compared to the others is crazy, compared to struggling every season just to get top 4 and suffering for 30 plus years it's a remarkable improvement. Hoping for a much better season next time around.
Why is this even a debate
A champions league and a pl is definitely enough to be one of the greatest teams lol. And I’m a villa fan
It's not though. It's underwhelming. Pundits and Liverpool fans began to talk about an era of Liverpool domination but it finished before it really started. One Champions League trophy and one Premier League title suggest they were good but really the best over a number of years. One offs.
@@simonjrgensen6761 They’ve also won both domestic cups? They’ve won every trophy possible it’s obviously pretty good
How has Micah Richards just tried to compare himself to Gary 😭. Both him and Carra weren't fit enough to lace his boots. Honestly, this revisionism is astonishing.
The blitz tactics were unbelievable, they were a great team but now their tactics are known
Michah bringing the banter with his Neville comparison.
Last season not mentioned 😢
I don't think Micah was saying he was as good as Gary; it was more acknowledging that Roy was a bracket above both of them