Remember when Netflix attempted to add an option to watch movies/series speeded up? That's the pinacle of showing how much non of this is art for Netflix, strictly 100% content...
Maybe it's the difference in equipment. TV shows, especially the live audience ones, tend to film with several cameras at the same time to amp production speed, but obviously not several IMAX or Alexas. I'm also almost certain part of it is the frame rate. Even regular movies on TVs that automatically generate frames between the actual frames to technically be 60fps look really weird
Simply the taste of the creators of that movie. That is the look they were going for and they were happy with it. There are no overlords demanding something look a certain way. It is certainly not an equipment problem either
You barely mention color grading/correction and camera lenses which are arguably more the most contributing factors to the tone or look of visual presentation.
I had to cancel my Netflix because the cost to value ratio wasn’t there for me. They release a lot of mindless junk. The obsession with big name actors with shitty stories boggles my mind. I preferred it when they had a nice selection of broadcast ip, that I could binge.
Still prefer them to other streaming platforms for supporting creators worldwide and not just going for big stars/showrunners like Apple has been doing.
This is doing nothing more THAN MAKING ME LOATHE GEN Z AND MILLENNIALS MORE THAN EVER. Your comment shows there is hope but when you look at the plethora of mindless, "content creators," and "influencers" feeding into this shite, it just shows that Gen Z and Millinneals suck. The only quick fix/answer is to cancel Netflix.
I was waiting for someone to cover this issue.But apart from the points in the video I want to add one more aspect that is Color Grading. A filmmakers obsession with Cyan color tone can be a reason. No blue is pure Blue, No white is pure white, No green is pure green. They're all Cyan...
Thank you! I was waiting for the video to mention this. A lot of Netflix content, especially their movies (a few notable exceptions, as noted, notwithstanding) all seem to have the same color grading! It's not bad, in and of itself, but it is needlessly overused and gives a lot of their productions a generic look and feel.
Yup. And it's a specific look that's distinct from Fincher's desaturated, cool-palette aesthetic. Netflix's version is all cyan shadows, saturation retained, and a ton of exposure/highlights, and the result looks very "Instagram". Off the top of my head I can remember Dark, Baby Reindeer, Sex Education, Maid, Haunting of Hill House, The Crown, Queen's Gambit, Squid Game, and the last two seasons of Ozark all having that specific look.
This is actually my biggest problem with 'Glass Onion'. Sure, it also has a weaker script than 'Knives Out', but visually, everything feels "plastic". In 'Knives Out', you could feel the light fog that clothed the Thrombey residence. You almost smell the leather on the chairs. In 'Glass Onion', the setting feels like the set of a sitcom.
There is a lot of amazing Netflix content made by extremely talented people (there's also a lot of duds). Even if they devalued cinema a bit, I remember what tv shows and tv movies looked like before Netflix, and it's night and day. Considering the limited high quality cinematic experiences instead of endless franchise reboots, there are serious artsy quirky films I can watch from all over the world that Netflix played a hand in
This is doing nothing more THAN MAKING ME LOATHE GEN Z AND MILLENNIALS MORE THAN EVER. And comments like yours, cheering Netflix like a dumbass, just makes me and other cinephiles loathe your geek-seeking nerdiness even more. You don't get it. You don't want to get it.
Just like the 2008 Housing Stock Market. These movies will fall. They are putting too much money into them without receiving a break. Smaller independent Film Companies like A24 and NEON are actually doing great. UA-cam and other resources are allowing independent filmmakers to get their films seen. The reckoning will happen. Just wait.
You realize it has always been a business, movies get made because of money, if you want to point fingers, better include all major movie studios that focus on recycling ideas and take no real emphasis on the "art" part of filmmaking.
The central idea of having a new movie to watch at every go is the biggest problem. Working with a subscription model also creates a void, as to keep the subscriber in you need to add in more ‘new content’. Movies need time, production needs value, the audience wants to watch 3 years worth of seasons in 1 go, something has to be sacrificed ‘Quality’ the larger the quantity, cut corners. You feel this particularly more in design (color grading, texture, feel, and motion)
Excellent, excellent video. You hit the nail on the head with the set design - it's not just the polished look of digital cameras, but the sparse sets, abundant close-ups, and general "lack of scene" you described that makes Netflix productions visually feel so plasticky and mass-produced. There was a time where I enjoyed that aesthetic, since the trend made Netflix's catalog feel like this cohesive, unified experience. But now it just feels soulless. Movies need texture and detail to immerse you in their world.
This video was the first time I heard Dune was somehow a Netflix production? It's Warner Brothers and pretty famously premiered on Max during the pandemic.
It's ironic how your comment does nothing more THAN MAKING ME LOATHE GEN Z AND MILLENNIALS MORE THAN EVER. The plethora of mindless, "content creators," and "influencers" feeding into this shite, and dudes (probably like you?) eating it up, just shows how fellow Gen Z and Millinneals suck. The only quick answer is to cancel Netflix, but then again, dudes like you, who probably spend hours on Instagram and TikTok supporting your favorite "influencers" are what's helping create decay and trash.
Kind of same thing is true for Prime originals, as all of their shows/movies look same dark color shade, where u feel like opening the brightness to 150% than 60-70% in general
The title is Netflix but the topic is digital vs film. It's like the digital camera was invented by Netflix. Even Martin Scorsese makes his films with digital cameras. The same goes for other titles.
If you believe then can you tell me if my Feature-Length film looks gritty. Because I tried making it look gritty even though a digital film. I see you're a DVD and Blue-Ray Collector. (I subbed by the way.)
It was a few years now since I saw The Irishman, so you might be right. However, I recall watching Killers of the Flower Moon and assuming it was shot on film, so I'm not so sure about that.
Kinda out of topic. I think modern K-Drama is the only one who has similiar style as Netflix. Some South Korean dan Japanese movie too. South Korean TV and cable channels can produce the same cinematography quality as Netflix, and they also had several titles with good quality stories outside the love stories before Squid Game. I think that's what made Netflix decide to produce Kingdom and Squid Game so well even though both titles were just series.
You can also look at Furiosa and Atlas. Furiosa is a huge epic with a lot of costumes, set designs, and you see and feel attention to detail. Atlas is a hodge podge of ideas from elsewhere in a good enough looking package, but it's like watching a high level video game. It's just part of the overall bundle of content and not just an individual thing and thus it doesn't try as hard to please. On streaming, you see more care put into miniseries, that's where the medium really shines.
Woah now, that comment about best cinematography winners isn't correct: Netflix bought the distribution rights for Roma AFTER it was mostly finished -- they did NOT produce Roma! Similarly, though Netflix bought the distribution rights to All Quiet on the Western Front before production began, it was NOT produced by Netflix. Mank is the only one of the three that had Netflix Productions involved.
Glad this video exists. When I speak with my friends and family they think I’m just complaining for no reason. I think they just don’t notice. Which is probably a better way to live tbf. I remember the Kanye West short movie for MBDTF and saying I love the colour grading and skin tones and my mate said I’m lost it looks normal.
The point of this video is to make people aware that there are films and there are films. Different type of art. Same with series. Also, respect the actors and crew, whatever they work on. There is no bad or good product, just a difference.
Great content! Never noticed the set design aspect. Painfully to say but makes so much sense, but I don't know, I just can't understand how someone would watch 2 hours of a film in their phone but ok.... Also, really enjoyed the whole Film vs Digital debate
While the smaller screens may have impact on set design and reliance on dialogue scenes, I think it's more of a budget issue. It's way cheeper to film two characters talking in a minimalistic interior, then a tracking shot on an elaborate set with dozens of extras.
Sometimes what the algorithm recommends to me makes me scratch my head. Just because an actor is in another movie doesn't mean after watching a comedy I want to watch a horror.
They’ve taken some good films - particularly they cloned Tyrone, imo - and fucked them to the point that no one believes that they are cinema when they should have been considered as such
Are we really still discussing film vs digital in 2024? Come on. This feels so 2014. This 2k alexa netflix thing is in the past at least for two years with the 35 and even longer with the lf. I don't even know if it makes a relevant point in 2024. Netflix is not as bad on shot sizes like TV was back in the day. Just think of how soap operas were lit and shot compared to any modern series... Although I agree that set their set designs look poor on some movies/series I don't think this is related with shot sizes, the problem to me is budget/amount of movies needed. I feel we are reliving that forties and fifties hollywood flood of movies that had to be released each week to keep people entertained but on digital and in a more massive scale. What really annoys me on netflix is the data driven agenda that they make sure to stamp in every possible "piece of content" in every genre...
@@HappyBirthdayMrPresident My point is that this discussion is useless. If you are producing a movie with a limited budget it's not smart to spend money in film instead of using an Alexa. It's not that I know more than your famous star directors, anyone working in the industry is happy to use film when they can, what I've seen in these 10 years sometimes is people running projects on film and cutting production budget on what matters just to have this little edge on look, if you can do it that's awesome but I'd say that everyone that isn't a conceited huge star director can't pull this kind of budget and shooting on film is just hindering the project for no reason. This film VS digital is a microscope on a technical side that most of the time isn't relevant, what you like about movies is not that grain, dynamic range or whatever aspect film is more pleasing. Watch a bad project ran on film to see if it saves the project. Today film is out of reach of 99% of people. To me this debate just sounds like it came out of college first year class on some empirical artsy bulls*, I just want to work with what I can, so yeah, I'm probably very out of touch with the famous director choices.
I just realized why despite having Netflix I can only watch it a couple of times a week and I always go back to my old movies on Blu-ray and dvd instead. I’m visually bored. As an illustrator watching the same visual style over and over and over and over again as it happens with streaming , bores me to death. The lack of visual environments and the focus on close ups all time is not something that excites me that much. I prefer to go back to real movies than watch content. And I don’t watch movies on small devices either. That makes no sense. Tv or theater.
Hey great video !! Could you perhaps let me know the track you used in the background in the end of the video ? Would mean the world to be if you could tell
You should do a video on why all the Canadian TV shows look different than the American ones back in the 90s. I’m assuming they all use film, but for some reason I could spot a Canadian show the second I looked at it.
@@pawehebda2583 Sure is. Notice how his voice varies in tone but only with a VERY specific range. That’s always the first clue. If by “this” you mean your comment though, I can’t be sure. Bots are so good at just keeping roughly to topic so I wouldn’t be surprised 🤷🏻♂️
Lmaoo the first 5 seconds of this vid -literally the reason why I clicked on it; the preview started playing and I just had to double check I read that right lol
I got my first smart phone in 2011 and here in 2024. I have still yet to watch a film on a phone screen. I have always waited until at home and watch on my television screen. I haven't done it because it never seemed like the correct thing to do.
the set design reasoning is a lame excuse for low budget people watch on small smartphone screen yes, but people also own fkin 65" 4k tv at home to binge watch many people also own projectors these days
Okay so I agree that Netflix definitely has a general look that a lot of their stuff (especially lower tier shows and movies) use and it's pretty boring, but personally I don't feel like this video really actually gave good reasons for why this is. They focused on stuff like cameras and set design and (a little bit) on cinematography and framing, it almost completely ignored color grading and lighting, which in most cases (imo) are some of the most fundamental aspects of creating a "cinematic" image. Many of their productions use kinda basic lighting that is functionally good but not terribly interesting dramatically, and their color grading often goes for the general basic saturated and clean look that doesn't really give their productions any character. These factors to me are so much more important than what camera it was shot on or if it was shot on film (which they have had projects shot on film, for what its worth, including some visual references in this video). Also at this point, the digital vs film debate is just silly and to still imply shooting digitally is worse is just ignorant (most best cinematography winners are digitally shot these days). Furthermore, I feel like many of the visual examples you showed are actually some of their best work that goes away from the netflix look (or at least predated the generalized look of it and therefor were able to build their own beautiful visual styles). Shows like Money Heist, Sex Education, Stranger Things, and House of Cards all have great visual styles that don't feel like the generic netflix look, and The Crown is one of the most beautifully shot shows ever made with immaculate sets and costumes and stunning cinematography. If we move away from just the examples shown in this list, shows and movies like Mindhunter, Mank, Roma, Haunting of Hill House, Maniac, Peaky Blinders, All Quiet On The Western Front, They Cloned Tyrone, etc, all examples of great visual style on netflix that avoid or enhance the generic netflix look. Again, I'm not disagreeing on the point, just that the examples given in this video don't really explain it in a way that I think it should.
Agree. Netflix look is a term for lower tier netflix goop produced weekly, like YA shows, most foreign comedy and action films.. etc. The list is long. But they choose the best stuff for this video lmao.
Gotta be honest. It was never a thought. The only time I notice anything wrong is when a 4k/8k tv makes movies look like they remove the cinematic filter and it looks like you're on set watching the actors live.
That's your tv settings. Stay at 24 FPS, but there's a bunch of settings. Best to get a professional calibration done if you don't know what you're doing or it'll really get botched up. Using a tv right out of the box is bad.
Where can I find whole films that have been dyed and colour graded like you do?? I think it looks awesome. I watch many black and white films, but they would undoubtedly be better this way.
This thing about film vs digital is just nonsense according to filmmakers themselves. Even outside Netflix almost everyone is using digital. Not only that, but they are using smaller and cheaper cameras as well exactly because there difference is just not there anymore. The Creator and Civil War are two amazing theatre movies that were shot with cameras that amateur productions use. And they both look insane. The new consensus in cinema is that giant ultra expensive cameras are just not worth it anymore. Not only you can get basically the same image quality with something cheaper and smaller, but you can achieve more flexibility in your production with such camera because, they being smaller, means you can get away with doing scenes that were impossible before. You can just go handheld during the entire production, put the camera on a drone, etc. You just unlock a lot more options for creativity in filmmakings, and that's what cinema is all about... Not "being shot in film". Seeing a filmmaker saying that is just cringe.
Netflix looks too clean, digital. Like an over-produced rock album. I think AppleTV+ is currently the best looking among streamers. A softer image, less saturation but looks more film like
Your assumption is wrong so your entire video is wrong. Netflix series are more modern, period. It plays to the strengths of modern hardwares which are objectively better than what we had in the past. Those old films were considered “film looks” or cinematic as a product of what the lack of technology we had back then. For the generation going forward, people would pay more attention to imagery details and contrast because that’s what they grow up watching so the now “Netflix look” will be the new “film look.” When I look at my iPhone when I see those HDR photos, there is no one in the world is going to convince me that the past photos are more aesthetic. Gotta keep up with the beauty standards that techs bring us.
Remember when Netflix attempted to add an option to watch movies/series speeded up? That's the pinacle of showing how much non of this is art for Netflix, strictly 100% content...
Lol it's not just Netflix. Disney has it too.
Disney plus doesnt@@KIMPOY971
The option is there rn too
You know you don't have to use it right
Good option, btw. I don't want watch again boring moments of a show than I watched before.
What's the reason a movie looks like sitcoms?
We’re working on a video covering this 👀
it's a sitcom?
or maybe it's to put your mind in a place to expect jokes n find them more funny...
Maybe it's the difference in equipment. TV shows, especially the live audience ones, tend to film with several cameras at the same time to amp production speed, but obviously not several IMAX or Alexas. I'm also almost certain part of it is the frame rate. Even regular movies on TVs that automatically generate frames between the actual frames to technically be 60fps look really weird
Lighting is probably a big factor. Do sitcoms have shadows?
Simply the taste of the creators of that movie. That is the look they were going for and they were happy with it. There are no overlords demanding something look a certain way. It is certainly not an equipment problem either
You barely mention color grading/correction and camera lenses which are arguably more the most contributing factors to the tone or look of visual presentation.
Also the lack of creative lighting in newer productions.
Yeah, this video doesn't really have anything interesting to say about the way Netflix films look. Then again their A24 video wasn't good either.
Exactly. And also the way of shooting using natural light, the overall set dressing, etc.
I think its good for people who doesnt understand how video making works
Because he had to squeez that motioneray ad in 🤣🤣
I had to cancel my Netflix because the cost to value ratio wasn’t there for me. They release a lot of mindless junk. The obsession with big name actors with shitty stories boggles my mind. I preferred it when they had a nice selection of broadcast ip, that I could binge.
Same here, i think you find better things by far combining prime, Apple, little bit of HBO nowadays productions.
Still prefer them to other streaming platforms for supporting creators worldwide and not just going for big stars/showrunners like Apple has been doing.
@@vb8428 apple has better quality shows and Netflix has shitty contents
Just sail the seas my friend ☠️🏴
This is doing nothing more THAN MAKING ME LOATHE GEN Z AND MILLENNIALS MORE THAN EVER. Your comment shows there is hope but when you look at the plethora of mindless, "content creators," and "influencers" feeding into this shite, it just shows that Gen Z and Millinneals suck. The only quick fix/answer is to cancel Netflix.
I was waiting for someone to cover this issue.But apart from the points in the video I want to add one more aspect that is Color Grading. A filmmakers obsession with Cyan color tone can be a reason. No blue is pure Blue, No white is pure white, No green is pure green. They're all Cyan...
Color grading makes a big impact! That was even more emphasized with the teal and orange look.
Thank you! I was waiting for the video to mention this. A lot of Netflix content, especially their movies (a few notable exceptions, as noted, notwithstanding) all seem to have the same color grading! It's not bad, in and of itself, but it is needlessly overused and gives a lot of their productions a generic look and feel.
Facts!!
Yup. And it's a specific look that's distinct from Fincher's desaturated, cool-palette aesthetic. Netflix's version is all cyan shadows, saturation retained, and a ton of exposure/highlights, and the result looks very "Instagram". Off the top of my head I can remember Dark, Baby Reindeer, Sex Education, Maid, Haunting of Hill House, The Crown, Queen's Gambit, Squid Game, and the last two seasons of Ozark all having that specific look.
This is actually my biggest problem with 'Glass Onion'. Sure, it also has a weaker script than 'Knives Out', but visually, everything feels "plastic".
In 'Knives Out', you could feel the light fog that clothed the Thrombey residence. You almost smell the leather on the chairs.
In 'Glass Onion', the setting feels like the set of a sitcom.
Also why were the colors freakishly bright? It felt like I was watching a coco melon video
agreed 100%
Glass Onion was pretty annoying and I loved Knives Out.
I couldn't understand why they chose that camera. Everything looks weird, and I was wondering if the show was a comedy at first glance.
Greece is sunny
There is a lot of amazing Netflix content made by extremely talented people (there's also a lot of duds). Even if they devalued cinema a bit, I remember what tv shows and tv movies looked like before Netflix, and it's night and day. Considering the limited high quality cinematic experiences instead of endless franchise reboots, there are serious artsy quirky films I can watch from all over the world that Netflix played a hand in
From every good Netflix production in terms of a series or a movie, there's at least 40 that are bad.
This is doing nothing more THAN MAKING ME LOATHE GEN Z AND MILLENNIALS MORE THAN EVER. And comments like yours, cheering Netflix like a dumbass, just makes me and other cinephiles loathe your geek-seeking nerdiness even more. You don't get it. You don't want to get it.
They devalued cinema. They disrespect the artform. Money is important but art is happiness
Just like the 2008 Housing Stock Market. These movies will fall.
They are putting too much money into them without receiving a break.
Smaller independent Film Companies like A24 and NEON are actually doing great. UA-cam and other resources are allowing independent filmmakers to get their films seen.
The reckoning will happen. Just wait.
Tell that to Disney
@@nikolaiprophet yes Disney did the same (actually worse) thing too 😂 and even if I pay to watch Netflix contents, never paying Disney+
You realize it has always been a business, movies get made because of money, if you want to point fingers, better include all major movie studios that focus on recycling ideas and take no real emphasis on the "art" part of filmmaking.
Yap yap yap. Baki is better than any gay Martin Scorsese movie.
Laugh counts: 3
00:05 - Irony
02:26 - Cat farting on the toilet
09:00 - Dune 2 being watched on a smartwatch
😂😂😂😂
Same bro, same
Had to pause the video because of that cat 😂 he was locked in haha
I think Fincher's The Killer looks the most "cinematic" out of the movies that I've seen on Netflix.
Yes, it has that Fincher’s signature style
Finchers all movies are cinematic, each shots are simply beautiful,fightclub is the perfect example , made in 1999.
@@rland8459 Thanks for the info, bud. I've been a fan of Fincher since 1992 when he made Alien 3, no need to tell me when Fight Club came out. 😂
He’s also a director with early digital cinema experience.
saw that in theatres. it was great.
I just watched 1917 again and thought “wow- there’s never going to be a beautiful film like this ever again”
I'm so glad you say that.....that film was beautifully made
😊
All quiet on the western front was also a great film even if not historically accurate…
The central idea of having a new movie to watch at every go is the biggest problem. Working with a subscription model also creates a void, as to keep the subscriber in you need to add in more ‘new content’. Movies need time, production needs value, the audience wants to watch 3 years worth of seasons in 1 go, something has to be sacrificed ‘Quality’ the larger the quantity, cut corners. You feel this particularly more in design (color grading, texture, feel, and motion)
Excellent, excellent video. You hit the nail on the head with the set design - it's not just the polished look of digital cameras, but the sparse sets, abundant close-ups, and general "lack of scene" you described that makes Netflix productions visually feel so plasticky and mass-produced. There was a time where I enjoyed that aesthetic, since the trend made Netflix's catalog feel like this cohesive, unified experience. But now it just feels soulless. Movies need texture and detail to immerse you in their world.
This video was the first time I heard Dune was somehow a Netflix production? It's Warner Brothers and pretty famously premiered on Max during the pandemic.
This video was voiced by AI, so was probably written by AI too
people like to say AI hallucinates, but i prefer to call it bullshit
An AI voiced video talking about the devaluation of cinema into content? I mean, the irony.
Netflix is the Walmart of film production.
All quiet on the western front. Watch that movie and try repeat what you said.
@@ramonlovera9894 Even walmart has the occassional product I'd purchase.
Tyler Rake solos your favorite character.
@@draco_1876 are you 12, what does that even mean?
@@toysarealive1 Solo means that one character can take out a universe of characters. For example punisher solos the Sopranos universe.
1:13 That Dwayne Johnson is funny though, his background, he loves being in a jungle and his acting is pretty much the same.
Ironic that this video dogs on content only to be an ad for content creation.
whoa, what a smart thought
And voiced by AI. I'd rather watch a mediocre movie made by real people than more crap churned out by computers
It's ironic how your comment does nothing more THAN MAKING ME LOATHE GEN Z AND MILLENNIALS MORE THAN EVER. The plethora of mindless, "content creators," and "influencers" feeding into this shite, and dudes (probably like you?) eating it up, just shows how fellow Gen Z and Millinneals suck. The only quick answer is to cancel Netflix, but then again, dudes like you, who probably spend hours on Instagram and TikTok supporting your favorite "influencers" are what's helping create decay and trash.
He’s against content creation on Netflix but UA-cam is made for content so it’s fine
I thought I was watching a Studio Binder video 😮 great video.
Thanks 🙏
They have good videos!
Movie LUTs text-to-speech doing a pretty good version of "How It's Made"
Damn that Segway was seamless for the sponsorship product Good Job 👍
Kind of same thing is true for Prime originals, as all of their shows/movies look same dark color shade, where u feel like opening the brightness to 150% than 60-70% in general
The transition into the ad in this video was the slickest I've seen yet btw ... lol
The title is Netflix but the topic is digital vs film. It's like the digital camera was invented by Netflix. Even Martin Scorsese makes his films with digital cameras. The same goes for other titles.
If you believe then can you tell me if my Feature-Length film looks gritty. Because I tried making it look gritty even though a digital film. I see you're a DVD and Blue-Ray Collector. (I subbed by the way.)
It was a few years now since I saw The Irishman, so you might be right. However, I recall watching Killers of the Flower Moon and assuming it was shot on film, so I'm not so sure about that.
@@CornishCreamtea07 Killers of the Flower Moon mix... 35 (Kodak) + digital Sony AXS-R7)
Did they use the digital cameras for night shots?
Kinda out of topic. I think modern K-Drama is the only one who has similiar style as Netflix. Some South Korean dan Japanese movie too. South Korean TV and cable channels can produce the same cinematography quality as Netflix, and they also had several titles with good quality stories outside the love stories before Squid Game. I think that's what made Netflix decide to produce Kingdom and Squid Game so well even though both titles were just series.
@Nummeekune1398 Do you consider that to be Parasite?
Don't look up was such an amazing movie with such an amazing message. And amazingly enough they were correct on it.
You can also look at Furiosa and Atlas. Furiosa is a huge epic with a lot of costumes, set designs, and you see and feel attention to detail. Atlas is a hodge podge of ideas from elsewhere in a good enough looking package, but it's like watching a high level video game. It's just part of the overall bundle of content and not just an individual thing and thus it doesn't try as hard to please.
On streaming, you see more care put into miniseries, that's where the medium really shines.
Atlas is a rip off of Titanfall 2 game
Woah now, that comment about best cinematography winners isn't correct: Netflix bought the distribution rights for Roma AFTER it was mostly finished -- they did NOT produce Roma!
Similarly, though Netflix bought the distribution rights to All Quiet on the Western Front before production began, it was NOT produced by Netflix.
Mank is the only one of the three that had Netflix Productions involved.
Glad this video exists. When I speak with my friends and family they think I’m just complaining for no reason. I think they just don’t notice. Which is probably a better way to live tbf. I remember the Kanye West short movie for MBDTF and saying I love the colour grading and skin tones and my mate said I’m lost it looks normal.
Saaame
The point of this video is to make people aware that there are films and there are films. Different type of art. Same with series.
Also, respect the actors and crew, whatever they work on. There is no bad or good product, just a difference.
is this ai narrated?
8:56
Just slipping in “watches” as something people watch their films on 😭
Great content! Never noticed the set design aspect. Painfully to say but makes so much sense, but I don't know, I just can't understand how someone would watch 2 hours of a film in their phone but ok....
Also, really enjoyed the whole Film vs Digital debate
Glad you liked it!
While the smaller screens may have impact on set design and reliance on dialogue scenes, I think it's more of a budget issue.
It's way cheeper to film two characters talking in a minimalistic interior, then a tracking shot on an elaborate set with dozens of extras.
Korean dramas in general has amazing cinematography and set design, even on Netflix
Nice. Hope they light up. It is just dark to me and it hurts my eyes and then I am no way into the story or characters or anything.
Sometimes what the algorithm recommends to me makes me scratch my head. Just because an actor is in another movie doesn't mean after watching a comedy I want to watch a horror.
They’ve taken some good films - particularly they cloned Tyrone, imo - and fucked them to the point that no one believes that they are cinema when they should have been considered as such
Are we really still discussing film vs digital in 2024? Come on. This feels so 2014. This 2k alexa netflix thing is in the past at least for two years with the 35 and even longer with the lf. I don't even know if it makes a relevant point in 2024. Netflix is not as bad on shot sizes like TV was back in the day. Just think of how soap operas were lit and shot compared to any modern series... Although I agree that set their set designs look poor on some movies/series I don't think this is related with shot sizes, the problem to me is budget/amount of movies needed. I feel we are reliving that forties and fifties hollywood flood of movies that had to be released each week to keep people entertained but on digital and in a more massive scale.
What really annoys me on netflix is the data driven agenda that they make sure to stamp in every possible "piece of content" in every genre...
The debate still isn't over. While digital is catching up, film _still_ looks better 90% of the time.
Do you know better than Tarantino/Nolan ? I will convinced flim = Digital when Legendary directors stop using flims
@@HappyBirthdayMrPresident My point is that this discussion is useless. If you are producing a movie with a limited budget it's not smart to spend money in film instead of using an Alexa. It's not that I know more than your famous star directors, anyone working in the industry is happy to use film when they can, what I've seen in these 10 years sometimes is people running projects on film and cutting production budget on what matters just to have this little edge on look, if you can do it that's awesome but I'd say that everyone that isn't a conceited huge star director can't pull this kind of budget and shooting on film is just hindering the project for no reason. This film VS digital is a microscope on a technical side that most of the time isn't relevant, what you like about movies is not that grain, dynamic range or whatever aspect film is more pleasing. Watch a bad project ran on film to see if it saves the project. Today film is out of reach of 99% of people. To me this debate just sounds like it came out of college first year class on some empirical artsy bulls*, I just want to work with what I can, so yeah, I'm probably very out of touch with the famous director choices.
I just realized why despite having Netflix I can only watch it a couple of times a week and I always go back to my old movies on Blu-ray and dvd instead. I’m visually bored. As an illustrator watching the same visual style over and over and over and over again as it happens with streaming , bores me to death. The lack of visual environments and the focus on close ups all time is not something that excites me that much. I prefer to go back to real movies than watch content. And I don’t watch movies on small devices either. That makes no sense. Tv or theater.
those last 17 seconds when they swapped color grades in the scenes being showed was pretty god-damned epic.
Rebel Moon (DC) is the first netflix original that I've seen than looks entirely different. The color grade is amazing actually
6:58 - that has to be, the SMOOTHIEST Ad placement in a UA-cam video, ever. Good job.
To be fair, I feel like The Killer worked because Fincher's style fits in well with Netflix's visuals
This is one of the most important videos.. You said everything need to be said and in detail.. 🏵️🏵️
Hey great video !! Could you perhaps let me know the track you used in the background in the end of the video ? Would mean the world to be if you could tell
The AI narration devalues the content of this.
02:54 I'm very proud that there is also Joyn, a tiny German "streaming" app
3:39 I never skip to the next movie. I always watch through the credits. After all, it's part of the movie.
People watch movies on their watches????? What? Why would anyone do that?
Never seen anyone watch a movie on their watch lol, they are pushing it a “bit”.
You should do a video on why all the Canadian TV shows look different than the American ones back in the 90s. I’m assuming they all use film, but for some reason I could spot a Canadian show the second I looked at it.
Ironic that a video lauding analog over digital is narrated by an AI voice
Is this AI?
@@pawehebda2583 Sure is. Notice how his voice varies in tone but only with a VERY specific range. That’s always the first clue.
If by “this” you mean your comment though, I can’t be sure. Bots are so good at just keeping roughly to topic so I wouldn’t be surprised 🤷🏻♂️
He’s encouraging analog not on UA-cam but in movies, UA-cam is made for digital content so AI is fine
9:14 can't count how many times I've been in that situation
The VHS era imposed similar constraints, maybe even worse ones.
I've actually been wondering this for a while so thanks for this video!
So many movies and shows are called Netflix originals but I just purchased after the fact so this does work for all
I like Scorcese's quote, but I dislike the non-smart inverted comma before the word 'content'...
Lmaoo the first 5 seconds of this vid
-literally the reason why I clicked on it; the preview started playing and I just had to double check I read that right lol
you have it really well explained, good job, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Man ive always hated how quickly netflix cuts off the credits. Totally tskes you out of that reflective stage
Netflix movies don't look cinematic. They look like T.V show/Series.
Several years ago Netfilx made an Indian web-series 'SACRED GAMES'.
Which had a brilliant movie level cinematography and grainy look too!
But later...
8:58 I had to re-confirm if he really did say watches 😂😂
That cat caught me off guard
That's why I love cinema over content. great analysis mate
I got my first smart phone in 2011 and here in 2024. I have still yet to watch a film on a phone screen. I have always waited until at home and watch on my television screen. I haven't done it because it never seemed like the correct thing to do.
Agreed, it just doesnt feel right to watch a movie on anything else than TV (or cinema).
Not loving the fact you've used an AI voice for a video about the value of quality over content.
3 years clean, I don't miss this service at all
So Netflix films with an iPhone
The worst thing about Netflix movies is the horrible writing 90% of the time. And that they always use the same actors.
the set design reasoning is a lame excuse for low budget
people watch on small smartphone screen yes, but people also own fkin 65" 4k tv at home to binge watch
many people also own projectors these days
Do you think my Low quality film can still look good if it us grounded. What do you think of mine? (SUBBED BY THE WAY)
Okay so I agree that Netflix definitely has a general look that a lot of their stuff (especially lower tier shows and movies) use and it's pretty boring, but personally I don't feel like this video really actually gave good reasons for why this is. They focused on stuff like cameras and set design and (a little bit) on cinematography and framing, it almost completely ignored color grading and lighting, which in most cases (imo) are some of the most fundamental aspects of creating a "cinematic" image. Many of their productions use kinda basic lighting that is functionally good but not terribly interesting dramatically, and their color grading often goes for the general basic saturated and clean look that doesn't really give their productions any character. These factors to me are so much more important than what camera it was shot on or if it was shot on film (which they have had projects shot on film, for what its worth, including some visual references in this video). Also at this point, the digital vs film debate is just silly and to still imply shooting digitally is worse is just ignorant (most best cinematography winners are digitally shot these days).
Furthermore, I feel like many of the visual examples you showed are actually some of their best work that goes away from the netflix look (or at least predated the generalized look of it and therefor were able to build their own beautiful visual styles). Shows like Money Heist, Sex Education, Stranger Things, and House of Cards all have great visual styles that don't feel like the generic netflix look, and The Crown is one of the most beautifully shot shows ever made with immaculate sets and costumes and stunning cinematography. If we move away from just the examples shown in this list, shows and movies like Mindhunter, Mank, Roma, Haunting of Hill House, Maniac, Peaky Blinders, All Quiet On The Western Front, They Cloned Tyrone, etc, all examples of great visual style on netflix that avoid or enhance the generic netflix look. Again, I'm not disagreeing on the point, just that the examples given in this video don't really explain it in a way that I think it should.
Agree. Netflix look is a term for lower tier netflix goop produced weekly, like YA shows, most foreign comedy and action films.. etc. The list is long. But they choose the best stuff for this video lmao.
I wish they would show the titles of the movies they've chosen for the clips.
Great video, unfortunate about the AI voice though. Hope there's a real voice in later videos
is this video made by AI?!🙄
Nope, just the voiceover is recorded with the help of AI.
@@movieluts hire a voice actor
AI voices suck!!
QUESTION IS ARE YOU #AI
@@TheStickbug_Y’all think everyone has money. 😂
This is doing nothing more THAN MAKING ME LOATHE GEN Z AND MILLENNIALS MORE THAN EVER.
Oh you have no idea when people ask me to show the finish product like miss ma’am I was trynna make cinema
To be honest all tv show should now look like movies
Gotta be honest. It was never a thought. The only time I notice anything wrong is when a 4k/8k tv makes movies look like they remove the cinematic filter and it looks like you're on set watching the actors live.
That's your tv settings. Stay at 24 FPS, but there's a bunch of settings. Best to get a professional calibration done if you don't know what you're doing or it'll really get botched up. Using a tv right out of the box is bad.
Where can I find whole films that have been dyed and colour graded like you do?? I think it looks awesome. I watch many black and white films, but they would undoubtedly be better this way.
3:48 I caught the shade. The Roman Polanski name as the audience doesn’t think about what they just watched or consumed.
i like the looks of Apples Shows, like Severance or Dark matter
I knew i wasnt smoking something, every netflix original show has the same visuals
a netflix production is synonymous with a substandard production
I would be fully agree with you if Irishman wasnt in Netflix s Library
This thing about film vs digital is just nonsense according to filmmakers themselves. Even outside Netflix almost everyone is using digital. Not only that, but they are using smaller and cheaper cameras as well exactly because there difference is just not there anymore. The Creator and Civil War are two amazing theatre movies that were shot with cameras that amateur productions use. And they both look insane. The new consensus in cinema is that giant ultra expensive cameras are just not worth it anymore. Not only you can get basically the same image quality with something cheaper and smaller, but you can achieve more flexibility in your production with such camera because, they being smaller, means you can get away with doing scenes that were impossible before. You can just go handheld during the entire production, put the camera on a drone, etc. You just unlock a lot more options for creativity in filmmakings, and that's what cinema is all about... Not "being shot in film". Seeing a filmmaker saying that is just cringe.
Dark is the rare exception. They probably cancelled 1899 for the same reason
Is it just me or is the voiceover AI?
It's because Netflix forces all directors to use a certain set of lenses and cameras
i canceled Netflix, & still watch all i want to watch... ❤
What's the movie title at 8:12? By the way, thanks for the great content!
Netflix looks too clean, digital. Like an over-produced rock album. I think AppleTV+ is currently the best looking among streamers. A softer image, less saturation but looks more film like
I really enjoy it when Netflix doesn’t do original stuff.
Your assumption is wrong so your entire video is wrong. Netflix series are more modern, period. It plays to the strengths of modern hardwares which are objectively better than what we had in the past.
Those old films were considered “film looks” or cinematic as a product of what the lack of technology we had back then.
For the generation going forward, people would pay more attention to imagery details and contrast because that’s what they grow up watching so the now “Netflix look” will be the new “film look.”
When I look at my iPhone when I see those HDR photos, there is no one in the world is going to convince me that the past photos are more aesthetic.
Gotta keep up with the beauty standards that techs bring us.
So we're basically getting movies designed for phones..
1:13 is insane.
Cinematography. That's it. That's the whole answer.
Very useful! Thanks for sharing it.
Glad it was helpful!
DARK is the the only thing they didn't f up.
They cancelled so many great series after season 1, then started to poop out crap.
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