Had a pa-18-95 over 50 years ago. It had an electrical system but I was too cheap to buy a new battery. Proping it on a frozen lake you had to be quite careful but normally I had no problem from behind. Thanks for the great videos !
Just because you made extra sure the mag switch is off, does not mean there is not a live mag. The video showing you pulling the prop through to prime the engine(and later push the prop to position it) , sure would have been different if the engine fired and you were standing there very close to the prop. ALWAYS assume the engine might fire when you pull it past the mag impulse. My two cents worth. I have all my fingers and regularly prop a 65, 85 and O200. no matter how slow you turn the prop to get it into position, it may surprise you.
@@Bananasssssssss It still might fire. I turned off my O200 with the Mag switch. 5 Minutes later without touching the mag switch which was still off, I pulled a couple blades. It got my attention when it fired. (was dirty contacts in the switch). At 3:43 notice how close you are standing to the prop when you assume it will not catch. All I am saying is when you pull a prop through, do the same thing as when the mags are live and you expect it to start. Would you have turned the blade so casually if the Mags were on? Not trying to be a pest, its a good video but if someone with no experience is watching, they may get a painful education
Great video, Joe! Thanks for sharing. I have been hand-propping Cubs for at least two years, but I need to say that I have learned a few things from your video. My take is that we should really have the mindset of "mono-focus" when we are hand-propping and most important like you said: always do the same exact way every single time.
Hi Joe - I live in Christchurch, New Zealand and about a year ago bought into a Piper Cub syndicate. I'm in that hour and confidence building phase now, and really love your videos. You've got a great style and I love the way you explain things clearly and simply. Keep the videos coming! Cheers, Daniel.
Nice video! First thing I ever propped was a Fleet with a 165 Kinner, and they had way more compression than I was expecting. When I propped the J-3 I’m getting my tailwheel in, (c-90) I was blown away with how much easier it was. I’ve only propped from the front so far, because I had the instructor inside on the brakes for me. I did try from the back a couple of times, but it didn’t feel comfortable for me yet.
I just messed up a friends prop for getting complacent. I had a ring on and wrapped my fingers around it and ended up taking a chunk of prop off. It was my own fault, but even for guys that do it a lot need to be careful. I’m glad it was an expensive mistake and not a fatal injury, but man that was dumb.
Very good video. The only thing I would suggest (as an old Tiger Moth pilot) is use seat belt to fasten control column all the way back prior to start.
I've heard of a suggestion of turning the fuel off, when starting, in the event it were to get away from you, it wouldn't run for very long. Like you mentioned, you're right by the cockpit, so once you've got it safely started, just flip the fuel back on. Love your content!
Yeah that is a good technique too. I never do it but not a bad idea. Law or Primacy for me, I’ll forget its out, hop in and it’ll quit on taxi, lol. I was surprised how long it’ll run before it quits. Like really really surprised
Love the videos. Keep them coming. Love to see more vids on: Pattern work, 3 pointers, wheel landings, crosswind work, checklist use on ground and in air, etc. Thanks!!
Learning to fly in a J3. This was helpful cause I’ve heard multiple ways to do it but it’s coming from people who’ve said they have never flown a cub, but were talking about a cub. Very helpful, love the content! Can’t wait for the video on pricing and getting your first cub(or something along those lines).
I own a 46 7ac Champ and also have the A65-8 in it. One thing I found to do when I know I’ll be starting hot is to kill the engine by running the carb out of gas and not the mags. If you’re putting it up for the day killing it with mags is fine. I would get real lucky to get mine to start hot when I shut it off with mags. Just a tip with my plane
Question: I have a Champ with a C-85-8, no starter. What do you do if you have a passenger who does not know how to fly or operate an airplane? Do they sit inside when you hand prop or stand outside and get in after the start? There are pros and cons to both, what's your opinion. If they sit inside I will instruct them of how to turn off the mags if the plans gets away; if they stand outside there is the problem of a rotating propeller. I'm curious about what you recommend. Thanks.
I have them sit in the plane and explain what the Magnetos are and what to do if The plane gets away, or if I get hit by prop. I also make sure to tell them (at least in Cub) be very aware of moving your arm because you can (and Ive seen it happen) go to adjust headset and hit throttle almost to full while raising your hand to adjust headset etc
@@Bananasssssssss Thanks, that's very helpful. I do advise them about the mags, and leaving the fuel valve in the off position can be a good idea, but I never thought about an inadvertent bumping of the throttle. I also have a very clever rope tie down harness that can be quick released from inside the plane after starting. It works with a nautical snap shackle. I can send a diagram if you are interested.
Lesser airplanes have unfortunate door designs that make starting from behind the prop difficult or impossible. Their pilots sneer because they're all faster than ours though the engines are the same as ours, but the distinct possibility of injury or a horrible DEATH mitigates the validity of their smug and unbecoming pride in their speed.
@@prodigalpilot Try the starting procedure at the very end of the video with your Champ. Now, if your Champ has no door, that's another story. The ONLY things that make your poor Champ superior to a Cub are the facts that it's Much faster, is far more comfortable (both seats), has a heater that really works, and better visibility. So, there.
@@davidrhoads3023 my comment was in jest, just going with the cub-champ rivalry. I enjoy a yellow cub as much as the next guy! I actually do have the door-off STC, but rarely prop from behind. To be honest, I don’t buy that it is safer. My momentum moves me away from the prop from the front, the strut would push me into the prop from the back. Also, almost impossible to get a grip on the prop without wrapping fingers around from the back.
Well done young man ,............ two thumbs up
Had a pa-18-95 over 50 years ago. It had an electrical system but I was too cheap to buy a new battery. Proping it on a frozen lake you had to be quite careful but normally I had no problem from behind. Thanks for the great videos !
Just because you made extra sure the mag switch is off, does not mean there is not a live mag. The video showing you pulling the prop through to prime the engine(and later push the prop to position it) , sure would have been different if the engine fired and you were standing there very close to the prop. ALWAYS assume the engine might fire when you pull it past the mag impulse. My two cents worth. I have all my fingers and regularly prop a 65, 85 and O200. no matter how slow you turn the prop to get it into position, it may surprise you.
Yeah, I’m aware but had just checked the P-lead, fuel was off, chocked etc. I understand the risks
@@Bananasssssssss It still might fire. I turned off my O200 with the Mag switch. 5 Minutes later without touching the mag switch which was still off, I pulled a couple blades. It got my attention when it fired. (was dirty contacts in the switch). At 3:43 notice how close you are standing to the prop when you assume it will not catch. All I am saying is when you pull a prop through, do the same thing as when the mags are live and you expect it to start. Would you have turned the blade so casually if the Mags were on? Not trying to be a pest, its a good video but if someone with no experience is watching, they may get a painful education
@@chestermanpowerproducts897 good points, you’re right
Great video, Joe! Thanks for sharing. I have been hand-propping Cubs for at least two years, but I need to say that I have learned a few things from your video. My take is that we should really have the mindset of "mono-focus" when we are hand-propping and most important like you said: always do the same exact way every single time.
Hi Joe - I live in Christchurch, New Zealand and about a year ago bought into a Piper Cub syndicate. I'm in that hour and confidence building phase now, and really love your videos. You've got a great style and I love the way you explain things clearly and simply. Keep the videos coming! Cheers, Daniel.
Nice video! First thing I ever propped was a Fleet with a 165 Kinner, and they had way more compression than I was expecting. When I propped the J-3 I’m getting my tailwheel in, (c-90) I was blown away with how much easier it was. I’ve only propped from the front so far, because I had the instructor inside on the brakes for me. I did try from the back a couple of times, but it didn’t feel comfortable for me yet.
Those Kinner motors have a cool sound to em!
I just messed up a friends prop for getting complacent. I had a ring on and wrapped my fingers around it and ended up taking a chunk of prop off. It was my own fault, but even for guys that do it a lot need to be careful. I’m glad it was an expensive mistake and not a fatal injury, but man that was dumb.
Sh*t happens!
Nice drone footage of that vintage beauty! =]
Great vid! Got my tailwheel endorsment in a cub with the 95hp we followed the exact same procedure for start up you describe here
Very good video. The only thing I would suggest (as an old Tiger Moth pilot) is use seat belt to fasten control column all the way back prior to start.
Thats a good suggestion. Thanks!
Nice video Joe, this is the exact same way I hand prop my '39
I've heard of a suggestion of turning the fuel off, when starting, in the event it were to get away from you, it wouldn't run for very long. Like you mentioned, you're right by the cockpit, so once you've got it safely started, just flip the fuel back on. Love your content!
Yeah that is a good technique too. I never do it but not a bad idea. Law or Primacy for me, I’ll forget its out, hop in and it’ll quit on taxi, lol. I was surprised how long it’ll run before it quits. Like really really surprised
Searched how to hand prop to show my wife and you popped up. Very good vid!
Love the videos. Keep them coming. Love to see more vids on: Pattern work, 3 pointers, wheel landings, crosswind work, checklist use on ground and in air, etc. Thanks!!
Thanks for the feedback! Will cover all that!
I never got cut, but my Cox 049 gave me a few wallops back in the day.
Add a tow hitch to your tailwheel and be safe! Thanks for the video!
I carry a screw in tie down to use to tie the tail to if there is nothing else to tie the tail to.
Learning to fly in a J3. This was helpful cause I’ve heard multiple ways to do it but it’s coming from people who’ve said they have never flown a cub, but were talking about a cub. Very helpful, love the content! Can’t wait for the video on pricing and getting your first cub(or something along those lines).
Thanks! Last week I posted a video on Cub costs! Check it out
I agree, I love hand propping my 1941 J-3F Franklin 65. Super simple and always use chocks.
Mine was a Franklin originally!
@@Bananasssssssss I thought so. I am at N30 close to you.
@@chrismarici5545 come on down to the W!!!
You’re a pro Joe. Nice work!
Thanks, Chris!
I own a 46 7ac Champ and also have the A65-8 in it. One thing I found to do when I know I’ll be starting hot is to kill the engine by running the carb out of gas and not the mags. If you’re putting it up for the day killing it with mags is fine. I would get real lucky to get mine to start hot when I shut it off with mags. Just a tip with my plane
Question: I have a Champ with a C-85-8, no starter. What do you do if you have a passenger who does not know how to fly or operate an airplane? Do they sit inside when you hand prop or stand outside and get in after the start? There are pros and cons to both, what's your opinion. If they sit inside I will instruct them of how to turn off the mags if the plans gets away; if they stand outside there is the problem of a rotating propeller. I'm curious about what you recommend. Thanks.
I have them sit in the plane and explain what the Magnetos are and what to do if The plane gets away, or if I get hit by prop. I also make sure to tell them (at least in Cub) be very aware of moving your arm because you can (and Ive seen it happen) go to adjust headset and hit throttle almost to full while raising your hand to adjust headset etc
@@Bananasssssssss Thanks, that's very helpful. I do advise them about the mags, and leaving the fuel valve in the off position can be a good idea, but I never thought about an inadvertent bumping of the throttle. I also have a very clever rope tie down harness that can be quick released from inside the plane after starting. It works with a nautical snap shackle. I can send a diagram if you are interested.
Excellent !!!
Lesser airplanes have unfortunate door designs that make starting from behind the prop difficult or impossible.
Their pilots sneer because they're all faster than ours though the engines are the same as ours, but the distinct possibility of injury or a horrible DEATH mitigates the validity of their smug and unbecoming pride in their speed.
My champ is better. 😂
@@prodigalpilot Try the starting procedure at the very end of the video with your Champ. Now, if your Champ has no door, that's another story.
The ONLY things that make your poor Champ superior to a Cub are the facts that it's Much faster, is far more comfortable (both seats), has a heater that really works, and better visibility. So, there.
@@davidrhoads3023 my comment was in jest, just going with the cub-champ rivalry. I enjoy a yellow cub as much as the next guy! I actually do have the door-off STC, but rarely prop from behind. To be honest, I don’t buy that it is safer. My momentum moves me away from the prop from the front, the strut would push me into the prop from the back. Also, almost impossible to get a grip on the prop without wrapping fingers around from the back.
I would at least add a piece of 2X4 as a wheel chock on the right side so you can pull it as you get ready to get in...
Yeah, I’m making another one to tie together so I can chock both
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Joe: On very old cubs have you herd of mags firing when off ?
Yeah, if the P-Lead is broken