Infinity by Corvus Belli is a pretty perfect example of doing this right. All the core rules and lists are online, there's a huge wiki for all the rules with FAQs in them and the core book is an optional purchase with two books: one is the rules in hard copy form if you want them, the other is the background - which covers all the factions and units and is really well developed now (they're actually getting an animated series soon). It will never happen with 40k though - a) I guarantee that Codexes are a huge profit:cost ratio, b) having one fluff book that covers every faction in sufficient detail would be a tome at this point and c) ...why bother changing it when most codexes sell well, the special editions go to whales in a few days and they have shareholders to please...
The problem then, is GW will gatekeep the online info for big money and rule changes every day. Be careful what you wish for. "Tru scale" marines is a good example, primaris (mostly) look like trash.
@@totaljayman exactly. Don't get me wrong, they are amazingly made and all, but they are pretty useless. Especially when you have plentiful of games which have a single set of rules
Not even a handful of months. They're out of date before they're on the shelves. And lately, they don't even add much in the way of fluff. I used to be That Guy who bought every codex every release. I don't consider a lot of them as wasted money, as I'm a lore-hound, but none of 10e ones feel like money well-spent. I stopped after Dark Angels and don't plan to restart.
I learned my lesson meta chasing. Came from a competitive magic the gathering background where you have to follow the meta most of the time to have a decent chance and with it widly fluctuating buying and dumping cards quickly is the norm. Didnt realize how LONG it takes me to finish a mini seen my units go from meta to not meta and back quicker than i can complete a squad of infantry. Now i iust follow the rule of cool
@@BreadTeleporter1968 that’s the truth, it was left aside half done for a while after the nerf n I was just like ahh, looks to sick I gotta finish the beauty up haha
This is one of the more frustrating things about playing in a group of people that just don’t bother to paint. There is no barrier to meta chasing, no fluff, only the strongest flavor of the month they can put on the table.
@@shigjetar sounds like just an unfun group to play with, as tough as it is either have a talk about how it's unfun and see if the group can agree to paint to some basic level or just find some others to play with. Maybe they can agree to having static lists for at least 60 days or incur a 10% pt cost increase for no paint or something?? Had this experience in magic many times, as much as it sucks sometimes ya gotta pack up your gear and play somewhere else as well. Sorry to hear that
Not even serval army rules🤦🏻♂️ Just teach a new Guardsman to play 40k, his first reaction to his detechment card is "oh so things that write in here is worthless now😳？"🤦🏻♂️
@@Sneaker3719 Don't print it out the wh40k app has all their updates with a search function for individual rules my lgs has a laptop at each table to use too but I have the app on my phone
If you can, get them in combat patrols like the BT Marshal, apothecary, or Typhus, but the majority of epic heroes have to be bought outside of their own kits.
itd be less bad if they weren't like 35-100pts. AOS characters dont feel nearly as bad because they're all like 140-300pts before getting to the monstrous ones.
Honestly, the biggest waste of money is buying stuff from GW directly instead of your friendly flgs. Pretty much all the stores in my area are about 20% cheaper than GW is, regardless of what you buy.
Pretty lucky but mine is maybe 5% if I’m lucky usually just retail. I find it’s only larger hobby stores that have multiple locations or a large online presence that offer discounts.
The Horus Heresy stuff still grinds my gears. "Buy these models! They're useable in 40k!" then a year later "You suckers! You fools! Rubes! Yoink. Now they're not."
Damn.......well....dont feel bad....i got screwed with mt custom built trueborn, haemoxites, and bloodbrides, and full 16man court, reaper tank, useless corsair voidscarrwd (that cant even ride in a raider now even tho they have our guns and in lore fight with us all the time....)and too many ork stuff to count...my whole ork army is unplayable (bad moons).....grot tanks....kill tank....mega and mecha dred i had.....tankbustas being useless....all.my shootas being useless....kff meks....oh i know heres the idea for a detachment that uses grots and walkers. Lets legend all the grot vechiles and walkers lol....like wtf....i hate 10th.
Eh, not only it can be used as cool LT or captain, there is champion in new primaris command squad so if you make your own instead of buying official one you can use it no problem...
I'm a mixed media artist! Since a lot of these obsolete books and cards end up rotting in storage or collecting dust, I just cut em up and use them in collages or as 'decals' on model boxes and other pieces of storage or furniture. It's fun and helps ease the burn from the spenditure.
A great idea, and the art work is generally pretty high standard to use for this up recycling! But If you sell them, gw might not like the idea of you making money from their images unfortunately, and they are notoriously hard on those threatening their ip.
I believe there should be at least 2 years between editions AFTER all codexes are released. They can always release new game modes to keep things fresh (e.g. pariah nexus).
They dont publish to keep the game fresh, its the bottom line and their corporate shareholders. Big corp and pensions have shares in gw. Off the back of the gamer.
I couldn't agree more with this, 9th didn't last long at all, and I wasted my money picking up codexes that were null and void a few months later. I bought one codex in 10th, for my main army (Necrons), but I'm not touching anything else. Free Indexes help, but really with the last codex to be released, yes let it run another two years!
If they made less drastic changes to each edition they could simply release each codex that could last for 3+ years till the next one came to replace it. Balance issues could still be addressed after the fact with points changes.
VIDEO IDEA: As a bit of flip, what utterly useless 'waste of money' are you glad you bought? I have a limited edition Apocalypse set that came out with 7th ed (I think). It's supposed to be Inq Coteaz's bureau, and so has string bound intelligence briefings, maps, coins, all sorts. It stays in the packaging it was delivered in, comes out maybe once every 2 years to be looked at before being carefully packed away. I absolutely love it.
I own all but like 2 or maybe 3 5th edition codexes. Bought a bunch as a teenager without ever getting into the game because I liked the lore, then got most ones I was missing recently on ebay. That's the era where I got into the setting and got sold on it by how those codexes convey the information and how good the art was(and I think the greyscale presentation of most the art actually added a really cool vibe),. Those codexes I consider a sort of print 40K encyclopedia. Never used a single one to play a game. And while I'm at it Matt Ward is so insanely overhated. The things people hate him for are one thing that's a sentence or two, another that's maybe a paragraph, but the overall quality of writing in the codexes he wrote is actually really high, vastly better than anything outside of Black Library nowadays.
The original Sabbat Worlds Crusade lore book from way back and the big updated special edition one they put out a few years ago: the newer one is really beautiful and has become one of my prized possessions, but I'm really glad to own both even if they're just overpriced books.
The Indomitus box set. I kept telling myself I should do Marines because they will never go unsupported. I built maybe one unit and got bored because idaf about the Imperium. Eventually I stopped buying GW altogether. Years later, we get tenth, a new FLGS opens near me and encourage me to build the Necrons I’d never given a second thought to, and I’m enjoying it a lot (barring the obligatory paint scheme paralysis ofc).
My original Squat army, I started collecting them when my space slann stopped being supported, I spent pretty much all my birthday, xmas money, and any money I could make working on them, I didn't buy sweets, or anthing else, missed years of spending time with my mates, just really wanted to get it all painted, I finally finished my 100 squat troopers, 20 trikes, and 20 exo armour squats, with all the ancients and other charachters, and about a month later, GW stopped supporting them, I needed to sell them, as I had no other way of quickly raising money for a new army, struggled to sell them as nobody wanted them, eventually sold them for about 10% of their original value, never really fogave GW for that one, it was made worse that my fantasy army was Kislev.
$222 for 300 points isn't even bad compared to some armies. Admech was notorious for basically being atleast $1 per point on tons of models. Gene Stealers and Sororitas losing their old combat patrol box will make buying them much more expensive in the future as well since buying 2 of them were best ways to cheaply get good units you need
1) Not undertanding the business model of GW is like a crack dealer, just get you to chase the new high. Same as microtransactions in various online games to get the latest "I WIN" button to have it nerfed in the next patch when a new "I WIN" button comes out. 2) Not buying a 3D printer and just printing your army for pennies on the dollar.
Books are a waste. If I get a book in a boxed set I sell it on ebay IMMEDIATELY before GW makes it irrelevant. I regret getting 70% finished with a firstborn army when GW introduced Primaris. I regret buying and painting a small Deathwatch force.
Yeah I got screwed on the Primaris cash grab. The worst thing, Primaris over all really suck. Love your deathwatch, they are cool and you will always be able to play with friends. GW are money sucking pigs.
@@JC-jo9bf Nah, primaris are VASTLY better models than chimpanzee proportions shytemarines from earlier. Super cool models, too bad clown writers seem to hate them and nerf them every edition when they were weak already at their debiut in 8th. You'd think GW would want to sell them but whatever clown assigned to write rules for them sucks :(
@KuK137 no primaris suck, we firstborn lovers can see that firstborn have more soul put into their designs than the primaris. We don't care about scale or portions because we love tge freedom firstborn kits give us and resent the restricted nature of primaris.
@@colinbielat8558 I like the Primaris models better, but hated the way the whole transition happened. I've long since fully switched, I just would've preferred they just remade the same units in Primaris armor to fix the long-standing true scale issue, without crapping all over firstborn collectors.
@@GrimrDirge im in a middleground with primaris and firstborn. I love the freedom you get with firstborn, I just wish their proportions were better like instead of shitting all over fb i wish GW would give the say tac squad a primaris scale refresh. But on the flipside primaris models look great and are easier to build but you lose the freedom of custom poses (unless youre confident with an exacto and green stuff) and I like how their mk X armor has a gorget and their armor around the midriff isnt just one solid piece so it looks like they can actually bend over without kneeling lol that said im not a huge fan of the standard mk X helmet but thankfully you can just slap a firstborn helm on them and perfect, can even add a little flavor to your unit like I did with some of my hellblasters and just say those guys crossed the rubicon and keep their old helmets as tribute to their firstborn nature.
I'm new as of April and started with the Leviathan box set. I buy most of my stuff secondhand, off FB marketplace, and I did the math in comparison to GW prices for how much I've saved on average for my 3200 point army. 47% off GW. That includes my supplies as well, like paints, brushes, headlamp, base holder, etc. If you're in a city, secondhand is the way to go. As for what I buy, I really want Centurians for my UM, but they're first born, so I doubt I'll even buy them, unless I get them like 70% off secondhand or something haha
My biggest regret was buying as a new player the 9th edition core book... Less then 6 months before 10th. I didn't actually played a single game of 9th.
@@Itzix ouch me too brother. Core book, space marine code AND iron hands supplementary codex. Right down the toilet, at least the iron hands book is Handy for art reference when I'm painting
Same! I bought 9th edition core rule book, the space marine codex and the black Templar codex supplement and haven’t played a single game until 10th came out. But I don’t regret that, because it’s still a playable experience, just not the up to date way
Yeahhh... I had been gone from the game since 5th Ed and thought I'd get back in. I was tempted in by a holiday Battleforce I bought in Dec with the 9th rules and a codex. Oh, I also bought the Guard army box cuz it was cheaper than a combat patrol and came with the book. "What a great deal" I thought.This was of course the Dec right before 10th Ed came out.
@@SgtDaxbecause you can still be part of the hobby by collecting and painting. This channel also puts out good content, heaven forbid someone enjoys it...
Agreed. How long until 40k becomes a thing that "used to be this tabletop wargame" and only continues to exist in videogames and the like? I can barely afford groceries, much less boxes of plastic.
I'm surprised Warhammer+ wasn't mentioned. I got it for the WH40K app army builder and the free mini is nice, but I haven't watched a single piece of content on the actual platform. I cancelled this year.
Doesn't seem like there's anything on there that fans haven't uploaded in better quality for free on YT. Battle reports, painting tutorials, lore videos etc.
Yeah I looked at the content and decided against. Worst element was that GW position is that each user needs their own sub to use the app. Me & 2 kids play games, they honestly wanted 3 subscriptions from me.
As someone who could never get into 40k or AOS, it’s easy for me to see boxes for what they literally are… 1 or 2 sprues of plastic. It blows my mind that a few grams of plastic are sold for as much as £80 or even £120. What is the profit margin on that? I was left speechless where a friend who is into it, said “this boxset is a bargain, as it’s been reduced from £130 to £117”. He couldn’t get his head around that it was overpriced to begin with, they just made it not as much overpriced.
I agree that GW stuff is overpriced, but plastic sprues are actually much more expensive to produce than you would think. Again - not as expensive as what they are selling them for to be reasonable - but expensive. You have to commission artists to create the sculpts which is pricey but not too bad, but then you have to commission actual engineers to fit the sculpts into a relatively flat sprue and figure out how to split the models up efficiently. Then you need to have the actual molds made, which are multiple 10-thousand dollars to have made up at the small level of scale and then you've got material and production cost. And third times the charm - they're still overpriced, just not as insane as you may think if you didn't know what went into producing them.
@Pemmont107 As a Tomb Kings/Bretonnia player, I can say that your "justice" is probably a long ways off, and may not be in the form that you're expecting.
I was an avid Deathwatch player with a bunch of Forge World from various armies I've acquired over the years primarily through used buys and boxed sets. About a third of my purchases aren't legends. This edition has hit me real, real hard.
I regret buying everything after my first world eaters combat patrol. Because I still haven’t even finished painting the first of three and I have an entire two tabletops of world eaters, khorne daemons, daemon engines, chaos knights, some nurgle daemons, a sisters of battle army and a lionel johnson and roboute on the way just cuz. I have probably 15,000 points and maybe 3000 of it painted and I can’t put together a functioning army because I keep hopping back and forth…. I have a problem. I don’t have a pile of shame I have a pile of woe and mistakes. While the smart thing would be to dump some of them on ebay and cutdown on my load… I won’t be doing that. So see you in 16 years when I stop buying plastic crack and actually have my stuff painted. Luckily I am very happy with what I have painted and I’ve had alot of fun kitbashing. My favorite are my dual wielding zerkers and berzerker surgeon made from fabius, blood warriors and eightbound.
as a brush only enthusiast, citadel brushes are fine for the price tag but not phenomenal. Their tips are great when new but the bristles are so soft that they lose their spring in no time. For their price, you expect better longevity, especially with synthetic bristles. Imho go to your local art store and try a bit of everything they have. There are so many styles of brush out there that there's bound to be one that speaks to you and your style. My go to brushes are an art store house brand (Currys in Canada), and I'll take these at 3 dollars a pop over name brand things 5 times its price.
So, on the topic of paints, I've been very happy to learn that my huge paint supply that I set aside 5 years ago was still mostly good. I threw away only three pots out of 50. All you need is a really good stir rod. The thicker ones like the bases don't keep well, but you just need to put in some thinning medium and they'll be 95% good as new. I threw away my Mephiston Red, Nuln Oil, Abbadon Black, and will be throwing out my Corax White soon when my Vallejo comes in, but otherwise I'm genuinely happy with the quality the paint keeps even after years of not being used.
Another aspect that could affect the monetary investing in Warhammer is the existence of other rule sets that are miniature agnostic, and do not require a high model count.
Even though deathwatch have been pretty much destroyed. I don’t regret buying them, they helped me get into the hobby and I enjoy the custom load outs I’ve made for them over the years. They were a fun painting and building project
got the Kratos tank, Deredeo FW and Leviathan FW in 9th as i love Dreadnoughts and where playing Iron Hands. also had a Contemptor from the HH box, it got converted to a Vashtorr Daemon Prince. lost FW models both for my Nids (both Hierodules, 2 x Dimachaerons and Malanthrope) and for my Tau (2 x R'Varna) also lost a few of the finecast/metal models i had for different armies.
I know GW wants to sell whole boxes, but with 3D printing a thing now, I wish they would bring back the Bitz Box mail order catalogue. They could have a 3D printer at each Warhammer store where customers could drop off requests for individual bits and come back when they are printed. Perfect way to jump start the hobby and use old IP.
The problem with waiting to buy stuff, instead of more impulse buying, is that by the time you get to buying it, they raised the cost a bunch of times, so you look at it on the shelf and it says $100 while in your head you are thinking I should have bought it right away cuz it was $80.
Heralds of Slaanesh are around $30 each but you can make one off of the Chariot kit and still have enough parts to make a Hellflayer or Seeker Chariot. That said, they might be updating the Herald so who knows how relevant this information will be?
@@nater.8371 Yeah, that's unfortunately another big concern. Hopefully this doesn't mean the Rendmasters are being moved to Legends as those guys are pretty important to Bloodletter bomb strategies right now.
I collect both coins and WH. The uninitiated may be of the belief that coins are more expensive to collect… yet my most expensive coin is a Spanish Empire Mo 8 reales from 1778 (a large silver coin) - This is considered a nice coin to have… and it cost me less than a vanguard box, lol.
It's the battleboxes that really trick you into starting projects you're never going to finish. I always liked Eldar and I got some more than I should have once a two-faction box got me that initial start and I'm never going to do it at this point.
Mek Gunz are actually decent since they can be kit stretched so well. They come with all 4 barrel types, arguably the most distinct part, and you just have to slap three of them plus a few plates on some cheap toy cannons to have 4 perfectly viable non-proxy Mek Gunz (well, 3 and the situational anti-fly one). With an extra Tractor Gun bit taken from the new Mek that you may want to lead them (for phasing through a thin wall you deploy behind), you can arguably make 9 guns from 2 sets. Add regular Grots as crew when you have some to spare, or just distribute the ones they come with for looks and count their Wounds normally.
Authorized retailers around here charge extra. Someone tried to sell me a Leviathan box for $500. Another authorized seller charges the official store price plus 50% in dollars, and that's the lowest price you can get it for. (Import taxes for consumers are 50%, but not for companies). I've been buying from online stores that make the purchase on your behalf and bring it in. This adds extra costs (I'm adding a middleman), but it gives me a bit more security in getting some items from stores that don’t usually ship internationally. I started doing this because the GW store often has limited stock and rarely any older items-they don’t even have the Dark Angels boxes anymore, and it’s been less than a year. Also, if you know any stor that ship internationally with ANY discounts, I’d love the recommendation! Cheers!
FOMO boxes for armies and then at least one unit in the box winds up never getting used. Zodgrod in the Ork Beastsnagga box for example. Latest one for me is buying Hive Secundus and finding out how terrible the weapon options on the Tek-hunters are. Three special weapons in the entire kit and one of them is in the running for worst gun in Necromunda.
I only collect Age of Sigmar right now, but I like the look of the Grey Knights. The thing that stops me from collecting them now is that they're so short. I'm not even thinking about picking any up until they get an update.
Yeah I bought mostly primarily kill-team units for my DW but also 2 corvus blackstars to future proof my Deathwatch vs primaris. And no I literally don't have enough points to run them as SM or as DW without another purchase, unless they changed their mind and let us take the Corvus as a transport
Deathwach yeah I started this year around the end of January to use all my spare marines for Deathwach and bought all the upgrades sprue and some extra bits for making veterans and boom 4 kill teams gone 2 regular intercessor squads just around and have now 10 veterans but the new rules yeah I don't see myself playing it.... hurts. I even got the corvus now, which is just a collection piece pretty much
The books really are one of the worst deals of all time. By the time you get yours it isn’t even relevant anymore and you still have to check for rule changes, even if it literally just released that same day. Or much like world eaters 9th edition your rules don’t come out until the end of the edition and are irrelevant 2 months later when 10th comes out. The same thing will happen with WE 10th edition codex mark my words. Honestly, what they do should probably be illegal. That being said I am pirating codexes from now on.
I went to the warhammer store the other day to get the tools. Saw the flush cutters for 50 bucks. Went to walmart and bought a pair for like 3.50ish. Pretty much chalke up my warhammer purchases to amazon, local game stores. And walmart. The warhammer stores, from my perspective, are just meeting spots and looking at what to look for elsewhere.
14:14 my single worst value kit is the Aeldari Warlocks. $60 msrp for two infantry-sized unnamed characters without any alternative weapon options that there are rules for. Absolutely ridiculous!
I still remember buying 7th edition Imperial Agents and being so excited to make a custom army of inquisitorial henchmen, only for 8th edition to drop and make it worthless only 6 months later.
Don't think of the codex as primarily a rule book, think of it as a source for lore first and rules second. Yes, pick them up used where possible, but the lore is good for much longer than the rules.
As someone who's brand new to the hobby (yes because of Space Marine 2) I find your videos to be the most straightforward and helpful w/everything. Thank you
I always appreciate watching 40k on UA-cam, mainly for the painting videos, but I will never understand how much play 40k can be. I build Gunpla, and for a $20 model, you can get a ton of value from it, investing in paint and decals will make any kit worth while while being a fun project to do on the side. How do you guys feel about resin and 3d printing for minatures?
i had just finished collecting a 2000pt deathwatch army this summer- just in time for the new codex. it was one of the first armies i started collecting so im a little salty. not gutted, luckily my army list still mostly works as a generic space marine army. probably still going to play them in legends. great content auspex, id love to see you dive into some genestealers brood brothers army lists and strategies- that's another army i was collecting that got a little pushed around!
Angron taught me the lesson of "Don't buy a really big expensive single kit outside of a value bundle box". I wanted to jump into a WE army and bought the Combat Patrol and Angron single kit. I did get a 15% discount at flgs, but if I had waited a few months I would have been able to get him in the 2023 WE Exalted of the Red Angel Battleforce box and had the Eightbound in there too.
Everything in Warhammer by GW is a waste of money! FOMO minis, imbalanced rules, bloated roasters; all of it. And the prices keep shooting through the stratosphere.
Last year I started the hobbies. I bought 2 boxes of Sniper Scout, 10-man Relic Terminator, 2 boxes of Company Command, 1 Land Speeder Storm, 2 Land Speeders. Yeah they are all in legend now. Today I hope to my 6 space wolves' firstborn dreadnought survive.
All if this is why I switched over to Conquest the last argument of kings, Some of the lore the community gets to help writing it, every unit is usable, all game rules and updated rules are free, 3d printed factions made terrain you buy the STL and print as much as you want, Conquest world tournament stats all Army's are with in 5 to 10% of each other in win rate, every army has there own unique play style and the community is very helpful with new players
I got the Cadia Stands box and while I objectively dislike the AM combat patrol and the short life of the book, I don't regret the purchase as I got it all for just 100€ from a cheap merchant abroad, the book was fun and the box was my re-entry into the hobby after more than a decade
@@Resistantkillers Oh, yes, 3 sentinels would be a really good idea for the combat patrol to get the value in line with what it should have been while including new kits
I find the Tyranid CP pretty weird In 10ed, it's worthless unless you really can't split the starter box In 11ed when the current starter box will get discontinued, the Nids will probably be the third army to get a new Codex and CP
My biggest regret currently is the gsc models, got into the gams a couple months before the codex release, was having an absolute blast with the index, and then the codex shattered everything there was to like about the index and supplemented it with hardly anything
Never buying another codex. Or any box set prior to to new version (Imperial Guard?) and I love having unit cards rather than the books...never buying them again...was it 2 weeks before they were all superceded this time?
biggest wastes for me have been things I have bought because "the deal was so good" when second hand shopping or store going out of business sales, that I ended up realizing I just didnt want at all, and while I have managed to trade those things for something I did want most of the time there have been a few times where I did end up selling at a loss. At the end of the day the biggest cost here in my opinion is wasted time I could have spent enjoying models I was interested in or just doing something other than warhammer, instead of chasing my tail.
The Alternative to single Infantry characters is making it out of a unit box like Sisters of Silence and Harliquins which means if you run all your units at max size you have to buy the whole box for one character...
I recently bought a box of old CSM Mutilators from a shop I found selling old minis, thinking to myself that they’re not that ugly, and that surely finecast minis can’t be that annoying, this being my first one and considering it was used to be standard for models. I can now confirm that mutilators are, in fact, that ugly, and finecast is, in fact, that annoying. Won’t be doing that again.
I own an FDM printer myself for printing terrain, but I haven't jumped on a resin printer for minis just yet because tbh I prefer most of the official sculpts over the stl's online. And I just hate working with resin in general. But I do keep an eye out for the stl's that dare to be only minutely legally distinct from GW's models.
The Kroot box. So little plastic for so much money. Though that's everything now. I bought my first Hammerhead/Skyray kit when I started in Eighth Edition for $55. The second and third in 9E for $65. They are $85 now. That's a huge increase for a model that molds and packaging are older than my teenage son.
@Auspex, what do you think of this as a suggestion to GW for the codexes? Going strictly digital. You buy codes for the books online. Most if not everyone has a smartphone that can handle the app, and if not, its really easy to grab a wifi capable tablet for cheap (cheap especially compared to this hobby.....) and then for those who want a hardcover make it made to order? That way, you pay for the app subscription and that gives you the rules, errata, balance slates and then you buy the codes (for much cheaper than $60 a book) for the armies you want. I think if it is a quarterly profits thing for the books, you could structure the pricing for the codes so that they can still demonstrate growth with the codes since they wont have the print overhead of mass producing so many codexes. Could be way off on this but state of the game got me thinking
I had paid built and painted 3 max sized units of Flayed Ones in 9th. The unit size decreases hurt bad considering how expensive they were, let alone the kits jankyness.
I quit warhammer when they deleted beasts of chaos. Just give us a digital book. Then when the edition is done, print paper copies for the people who want them with all the newest rules. That way people who stay in 8ed like me, get the latest rules.
When they announced last edition each faction was going to get new units with the codex, I thought you were going to actually get like a commander or squad sprue with the purchase of a codex, thought that was going to be pretty cool but nope.
For me it was buying the CSM cards after the codex dropped. I bought the cards expecting that I wouldn't also have to buy the codex. The detachment rules were in the initial CSM deck when 10th launched, after all. But, nope, I had to buy the codex too.
Its funny how the best edition of 40k - which is 2nd ed, did not need constant rebalancing. Everything worked, codexes were right first time and nothing was broken. In the 90's I only remember a 1 sheet FAQ being issued to retail stores to clarify a few specific and niche rulings. Card game psychic phases, easy to use armour pen tables no dumb rerolls or strategems with the awful cp crap. The game 'swingy' and was won on the tabletop with rolling dice as opposed to the modern game where it is won by meta chasing and finding codex combo cheese.
Biggest waste of money was the first ever models I ever got, death guard combat patrol. $160 for 30 poxwalkers, typhus, and 7 death guard marines which aren’t legal to play unless it’s a 5 man squad. I feel like once you know what you buy and play, PPP (purchase per points) then you can determine if it was worth the cost. It wasn’t in my case. GW needs to start changing or I’m thinking of 3d printing my own models
Any 40k book! Bring free online rules
They would be a good investment if they had more new lore and artworks.
Infinity by Corvus Belli is a pretty perfect example of doing this right. All the core rules and lists are online, there's a huge wiki for all the rules with FAQs in them and the core book is an optional purchase with two books: one is the rules in hard copy form if you want them, the other is the background - which covers all the factions and units and is really well developed now (they're actually getting an animated series soon).
It will never happen with 40k though - a) I guarantee that Codexes are a huge profit:cost ratio, b) having one fluff book that covers every faction in sufficient detail would be a tome at this point and c) ...why bother changing it when most codexes sell well, the special editions go to whales in a few days and they have shareholders to please...
The problem then, is GW will gatekeep the online info for big money and rule changes every day. Be careful what you wish for. "Tru scale" marines is a good example, primaris (mostly) look like trash.
Are you crazy? That would be a good marketing move, you cannot aspect that much from gw
Only got the 9th ed guard book with the box , since 5th ed, useless with 10th ed coming out
To be fair, all codexes are kind of a waste: pricey books which lose value after a handful of months
@niccolomiglio6996 hard-copy codecies should be optional for those that prefer it or want it for the lore/art. And definitely not $60.
@@totaljayman exactly. Don't get me wrong, they are amazingly made and all, but they are pretty useless. Especially when you have plentiful of games which have a single set of rules
Physical codexes are already out of date with balances before even being sold. Garbage that they try to them to be mandatory for the app
Not even a handful of months. They're out of date before they're on the shelves. And lately, they don't even add much in the way of fluff. I used to be That Guy who bought every codex every release. I don't consider a lot of them as wasted money, as I'm a lore-hound, but none of 10e ones feel like money well-spent. I stopped after Dark Angels and don't plan to restart.
@@Daemonik thank God wahapedia is a thing
I learned my lesson meta chasing. Came from a competitive magic the gathering background where you have to follow the meta most of the time to have a decent chance and with it widly fluctuating buying and dumping cards quickly is the norm. Didnt realize how LONG it takes me to finish a mini seen my units go from meta to not meta and back quicker than i can complete a squad of infantry. Now i iust follow the rule of cool
Word, I’m painting a stormraven right now for dark angles ironstorm… a meta build that was nerfed to the ground 😂🤣
@@brettmal5298Well you have a storm raven and they’re fucking SICK so that’s a win
@@BreadTeleporter1968 that’s the truth, it was left aside half done for a while after the nerf n I was just like ahh, looks to sick I gotta finish the beauty up haha
This is one of the more frustrating things about playing in a group of people that just don’t bother to paint. There is no barrier to meta chasing, no fluff, only the strongest flavor of the month they can put on the table.
@@shigjetar sounds like just an unfun group to play with, as tough as it is either have a talk about how it's unfun and see if the group can agree to paint to some basic level or just find some others to play with. Maybe they can agree to having static lists for at least 60 days or incur a 10% pt cost increase for no paint or something?? Had this experience in magic many times, as much as it sucks sometimes ya gotta pack up your gear and play somewhere else as well. Sorry to hear that
The 10th edition ruleset has had so many changes that the 10th edition core rule book is no longer usable.
Why'd you buy the book the core rules have been free online since the start of the edition and are updated day of changes 😅
Not even serval army rules🤦🏻♂️
Just teach a new Guardsman to play 40k, his first reaction to his detechment card is "oh so things that write in here is worthless now😳？"🤦🏻♂️
@@crono252
Because it’s nice to have, and it’s a pain in the ass to consult PDF and/or print it out every time there’s a rules change
@@Sneaker3719 Don't print it out the wh40k app has all their updates with a search function for individual rules my lgs has a laptop at each table to use too but I have the app on my phone
@@Sneaker3719 Wahapedia
Characters in general. $35 or more for a single dude, especially when some of the regular human ones used to come in squads or group boxes.
If you can, get them in combat patrols like the BT Marshal, apothecary, or Typhus, but the majority of epic heroes have to be bought outside of their own kits.
@@BreadTeleporter1968 or just print them, get a single dude for less then $2
This. I've gotten into the habit of converting mine from regular troops. They just need a little bit extra to stand out, and they're ready to go!
itd be less bad if they weren't like 35-100pts.
AOS characters dont feel nearly as bad because they're all like 140-300pts before getting to the monstrous ones.
That’s why I love orks.
Got an extra boy? Slap a power claw on his hand and a pole to his back and BOOM, warboss.
Honestly, the biggest waste of money is buying stuff from GW directly instead of your friendly flgs. Pretty much all the stores in my area are about 20% cheaper than GW is, regardless of what you buy.
Not in mine.
Must be nice. My game stores go full retail. Two of them offer 20%-30% off sales a couple times a year, the other two never do anything.
Pretty lucky but mine is maybe 5% if I’m lucky usually just retail. I find it’s only larger hobby stores that have multiple locations or a large online presence that offer discounts.
None of mine, they're all 5-10% above GW. 😑
Mine gives 10% below gw if u order.
The Horus Heresy stuff still grinds my gears. "Buy these models! They're useable in 40k!" then a year later "You suckers! You fools! Rubes! Yoink. Now they're not."
honestly don't blame recasters at this point, GW are bigger thieves than they will ever be
Classic GW garbage.
really want to get a cerastus lancer for my chaos knights, but loathed to find out they might get scrapped when the codex comes out.
I been screwed over twice this year. Beastmen and Deathwatch.
Gahd damn
Stay strong, Battle Brother!
That's entirely your fault! You got niche factions, and you wouldn't have to worry about this if you just bought Space Marines!
Oh wait, you did 😔
Damn.......well....dont feel bad....i got screwed with mt custom built trueborn, haemoxites, and bloodbrides, and full 16man court, reaper tank, useless corsair voidscarrwd (that cant even ride in a raider now even tho they have our guns and in lore fight with us all the time....)and too many ork stuff to count...my whole ork army is unplayable (bad moons).....grot tanks....kill tank....mega and mecha dred i had.....tankbustas being useless....all.my shootas being useless....kff meks....oh i know heres the idea for a detachment that uses grots and walkers. Lets legend all the grot vechiles and walkers lol....like wtf....i hate 10th.
And im sure the reckoning 2.0.will.happen when the drukhari book drops...
GW- Buy our plastic! We're gonna increase the prices and then remove them from playability in six months! Wait no stop 3D printing things!
Do I regret buying my deathwatch army? No.
Do I hate GW for what they did instead? Heck yeah!
Primaris Champion. Went on made-to-order right as i started collecting. Then went to Legends before i could even open the box.
Eh, not only it can be used as cool LT or captain, there is champion in new primaris command squad so if you make your own instead of buying official one you can use it no problem...
Damn that sucks I feel for you bro
damn, they're shifting Primaris stuff into legends?
@@darkdialga777Primaris started coming out like 8 years ago, people seem to forget they’re old
@@milktenders6219old is relative, and when related to other warhammer models, 8 years is practically new.
I'm a mixed media artist! Since a lot of these obsolete books and cards end up rotting in storage or collecting dust, I just cut em up and use them in collages or as 'decals' on model boxes and other pieces of storage or furniture. It's fun and helps ease the burn from the spenditure.
That's a cool idea.
Amazing idea, do you have any pictures posted online? Id love to see it
A great idea, and the art work is generally pretty high standard to use for this up recycling! But If you sell them, gw might not like the idea of you making money from their images unfortunately, and they are notoriously hard on those threatening their ip.
@albertbargery9619 Oh yeah, unfortunately I can only make stuff that's not for sale, so lots of personal decor
@@Psunabudes I'll try to stick some in the Discord when I can.
Your biggest waste is rent soldiers! Buy more plastic! NOW
I thought it was recreational mind altering substances, but this opened my eyes! GW, TAKE MY MONEY, PLEASE! 😂😅😂😅
I believe there should be at least 2 years between editions AFTER all codexes are released. They can always release new game modes to keep things fresh (e.g. pariah nexus).
They dont publish to keep the game fresh, its the bottom line and their corporate shareholders. Big corp and pensions have shares in gw. Off the back of the gamer.
I couldn't agree more with this, 9th didn't last long at all, and I wasted my money picking up codexes that were null and void a few months later. I bought one codex in 10th, for my main army (Necrons), but I'm not touching anything else. Free Indexes help, but really with the last codex to be released, yes let it run another two years!
If they made less drastic changes to each edition they could simply release each codex that could last for 3+ years till the next one came to replace it. Balance issues could still be addressed after the fact with points changes.
But then there’d be no reason to consoom
@@3Xero3 They did this pre-8th edition. It was terrible.
The ossiarch bonereapers battletome when they first came out, their rules were all edited and then covid hit so never got to even use it
VIDEO IDEA: As a bit of flip, what utterly useless 'waste of money' are you glad you bought? I have a limited edition Apocalypse set that came out with 7th ed (I think). It's supposed to be Inq Coteaz's bureau, and so has string bound intelligence briefings, maps, coins, all sorts. It stays in the packaging it was delivered in, comes out maybe once every 2 years to be looked at before being carefully packed away. I absolutely love it.
200$ old world High Elves army years before they talked about refreshing the game. Haven't even played a game with them but I love them 🥰
I own all but like 2 or maybe 3 5th edition codexes. Bought a bunch as a teenager without ever getting into the game because I liked the lore, then got most ones I was missing recently on ebay. That's the era where I got into the setting and got sold on it by how those codexes convey the information and how good the art was(and I think the greyscale presentation of most the art actually added a really cool vibe),. Those codexes I consider a sort of print 40K encyclopedia. Never used a single one to play a game. And while I'm at it Matt Ward is so insanely overhated. The things people hate him for are one thing that's a sentence or two, another that's maybe a paragraph, but the overall quality of writing in the codexes he wrote is actually really high, vastly better than anything outside of Black Library nowadays.
The original Sabbat Worlds Crusade lore book from way back and the big updated special edition one they put out a few years ago: the newer one is really beautiful and has become one of my prized possessions, but I'm really glad to own both even if they're just overpriced books.
The Indomitus box set. I kept telling myself I should do Marines because they will never go unsupported. I built maybe one unit and got bored because idaf about the Imperium. Eventually I stopped buying GW altogether. Years later, we get tenth, a new FLGS opens near me and encourage me to build the Necrons I’d never given a second thought to, and I’m enjoying it a lot (barring the obligatory paint scheme paralysis ofc).
My original Squat army, I started collecting them when my space slann stopped being supported, I spent pretty much all my birthday, xmas money, and any money I could make working on them, I didn't buy sweets, or anthing else, missed years of spending time with my mates, just really wanted to get it all painted, I finally finished my 100 squat troopers, 20 trikes, and 20 exo armour squats, with all the ancients and other charachters, and about a month later, GW stopped supporting them, I needed to sell them, as I had no other way of quickly raising money for a new army, struggled to sell them as nobody wanted them, eventually sold them for about 10% of their original value, never really fogave GW for that one, it was made worse that my fantasy army was Kislev.
30 sisters of silence.... 222 usd for 300p worth of models...
I just use some nice ones off the "purple site" with the 20 I got from buying 2 of the old Combat Patrols to fill them out.....
Yeah but the other 1700 points of custodes costs like $5, you’re just spoiled on some of the best PPD in the whole game 😅
$222 for 300 points isn't even bad compared to some armies. Admech was notorious for basically being atleast $1 per point on tons of models.
Gene Stealers and Sororitas losing their old combat patrol box will make buying them much more expensive in the future as well since buying 2 of them were best ways to cheaply get good units you need
You need to speak to a man in Russia…
@@whichDude Yeah Sydonian Dragoons 8th edition, £45 for a 68 point model... and i bought 3 of them.
losing core rule support is insane. the constant changing of the rules is the reason I gave up on playing before I even finished painting my army.
1) Not undertanding the business model of GW is like a crack dealer, just get you to chase the new high. Same as microtransactions in various online games to get the latest "I WIN" button to have it nerfed in the next patch when a new "I WIN" button comes out.
2) Not buying a 3D printer and just printing your army for pennies on the dollar.
... I regret nothing
... okay I regret it all a little
*casually hides half of my daemon army that has never seen serious play*
Accurate
As long as you don't regret all of it...right?
Books are a waste. If I get a book in a boxed set I sell it on ebay IMMEDIATELY before GW makes it irrelevant. I regret getting 70% finished with a firstborn army when GW introduced Primaris. I regret buying and painting a small Deathwatch force.
Yeah I got screwed on the Primaris cash grab. The worst thing, Primaris over all really suck. Love your deathwatch, they are cool and you will always be able to play with friends. GW are money sucking pigs.
@@JC-jo9bf Nah, primaris are VASTLY better models than chimpanzee proportions shytemarines from earlier. Super cool models, too bad clown writers seem to hate them and nerf them every edition when they were weak already at their debiut in 8th. You'd think GW would want to sell them but whatever clown assigned to write rules for them sucks :(
@KuK137 no primaris suck, we firstborn lovers can see that firstborn have more soul put into their designs than the primaris. We don't care about scale or portions because we love tge freedom firstborn kits give us and resent the restricted nature of primaris.
@@colinbielat8558 I like the Primaris models better, but hated the way the whole transition happened. I've long since fully switched, I just would've preferred they just remade the same units in Primaris armor to fix the long-standing true scale issue, without crapping all over firstborn collectors.
@@GrimrDirge im in a middleground with primaris and firstborn. I love the freedom you get with firstborn, I just wish their proportions were better like instead of shitting all over fb i wish GW would give the say tac squad a primaris scale refresh. But on the flipside primaris models look great and are easier to build but you lose the freedom of custom poses (unless youre confident with an exacto and green stuff) and I like how their mk X armor has a gorget and their armor around the midriff isnt just one solid piece so it looks like they can actually bend over without kneeling lol that said im not a huge fan of the standard mk X helmet but thankfully you can just slap a firstborn helm on them and perfect, can even add a little flavor to your unit like I did with some of my hellblasters and just say those guys crossed the rubicon and keep their old helmets as tribute to their firstborn nature.
12:00 those Space Wolves tails look awfully suspicious
I'm new as of April and started with the Leviathan box set. I buy most of my stuff secondhand, off FB marketplace, and I did the math in comparison to GW prices for how much I've saved on average for my 3200 point army. 47% off GW. That includes my supplies as well, like paints, brushes, headlamp, base holder, etc.
If you're in a city, secondhand is the way to go.
As for what I buy, I really want Centurians for my UM, but they're first born, so I doubt I'll even buy them, unless I get them like 70% off secondhand or something haha
My group is stopping at 10th. We will exclusively play that until death do us part. We refuse to get burned.
I still play 8th with my dad. Although he did get it for a steep discount, if not for that, we'd probably be playing a much older edition.
I will likely start with 9th and stay at ninth or lower into hell freezes over as GW removed my DKoK Spezial Rules
Honestly, try 7th edition if you want something that feels a bit more fluffy if you have the time
My biggest regret was buying as a new player the 9th edition core book... Less then 6 months before 10th.
I didn't actually played a single game of 9th.
Had the same experience except buying it for myself.
I did the same, got the Necrons and space marine codex too, $300 nzd down the pan
@@Itzix ouch me too brother. Core book, space marine code AND iron hands supplementary codex. Right down the toilet, at least the iron hands book is Handy for art reference when I'm painting
Same! I bought 9th edition core rule book, the space marine codex and the black Templar codex supplement and haven’t played a single game until 10th came out. But I don’t regret that, because it’s still a playable experience, just not the up to date way
Yeahhh... I had been gone from the game since 5th Ed and thought I'd get back in. I was tempted in by a holiday Battleforce I bought in Dec with the 9th rules and a codex. Oh, I also bought the Guard army box cuz it was cheaper than a combat patrol and came with the book. "What a great deal" I thought.This was of course the Dec right before 10th Ed came out.
This video could easily be titled "Why I stopped playing Warhammer in favour of other games."
Then why are you here?
@@SgtDaxbecause you can still be part of the hobby by collecting and painting. This channel also puts out good content, heaven forbid someone enjoys it...
Agreed. How long until 40k becomes a thing that "used to be this tabletop wargame" and only continues to exist in videogames and the like? I can barely afford groceries, much less boxes of plastic.
I'm hoping Warmachine finds a second life in Steamforged's hands.
@kingnothing5706 yeah just backed the p3 paint Kickstarter from them.
I'm surprised Warhammer+ wasn't mentioned. I got it for the WH40K app army builder and the free mini is nice, but I haven't watched a single piece of content on the actual platform. I cancelled this year.
You should check out - Iron Within
It did go super hard
Doesn't seem like there's anything on there that fans haven't uploaded in better quality for free on YT. Battle reports, painting tutorials, lore videos etc.
Yeah I looked at the content and decided against. Worst element was that GW position is that each user needs their own sub to use the app. Me & 2 kids play games, they honestly wanted 3 subscriptions from me.
Some of the animations were interesting to watch, but you could binge watch the entire collection in a single day.
As someone who could never get into 40k or AOS, it’s easy for me to see boxes for what they literally are… 1 or 2 sprues of plastic.
It blows my mind that a few grams of plastic are sold for as much as £80 or even £120.
What is the profit margin on that?
I was left speechless where a friend who is into it, said “this boxset is a bargain, as it’s been reduced from £130 to £117”. He couldn’t get his head around that it was overpriced to begin with, they just made it not as much overpriced.
I agree that GW stuff is overpriced, but plastic sprues are actually much more expensive to produce than you would think. Again - not as expensive as what they are selling them for to be reasonable - but expensive.
You have to commission artists to create the sculpts which is pricey but not too bad, but then you have to commission actual engineers to fit the sculpts into a relatively flat sprue and figure out how to split the models up efficiently. Then you need to have the actual molds made, which are multiple 10-thousand dollars to have made up at the small level of scale and then you've got material and production cost.
And third times the charm - they're still overpriced, just not as insane as you may think if you didn't know what went into producing them.
I can let a lot slide, GW killing Deathwatch was total BS. Justice for the Deathwatch!
It does feel weird when Sisters and Grey Knights got to be part of Agents but stay their own entities.
@@jsm1978i think death watch has too few standout things. And making the 20 space marine faction was probably not on the plan.
Justice for the Beastmen too! And the Boarboyz! And every Stormcast Eternal from 2nd edition!
@Pemmont107 As a Tomb Kings/Bretonnia player, I can say that your "justice" is probably a long ways off, and may not be in the form that you're expecting.
Justice for Firstborn!
I was an avid Deathwatch player with a bunch of Forge World from various armies I've acquired over the years primarily through used buys and boxed sets. About a third of my purchases aren't legends. This edition has hit me real, real hard.
Suggestion: Ignore GW and just play whatever edition you want to play
I regret buying everything after my first world eaters combat patrol.
Because I still haven’t even finished painting the first of three and I have an entire two tabletops of world eaters, khorne daemons, daemon engines, chaos knights, some nurgle daemons, a sisters of battle army and a lionel johnson and roboute on the way just cuz.
I have probably 15,000 points and maybe 3000 of it painted and I can’t put together a functioning army because I keep hopping back and forth….
I have a problem. I don’t have a pile of shame I have a pile of woe and mistakes.
While the smart thing would be to dump some of them on ebay and cutdown on my load… I won’t be doing that. So see you in 16 years when I stop buying plastic crack and actually have my stuff painted.
Luckily I am very happy with what I have painted and I’ve had alot of fun kitbashing. My favorite are my dual wielding zerkers and berzerker surgeon made from fabius, blood warriors and eightbound.
You could always pay for a local to give them a basic paint
as a brush only enthusiast, citadel brushes are fine for the price tag but not phenomenal. Their tips are great when new but the bristles are so soft that they lose their spring in no time. For their price, you expect better longevity, especially with synthetic bristles. Imho go to your local art store and try a bit of everything they have. There are so many styles of brush out there that there's bound to be one that speaks to you and your style. My go to brushes are an art store house brand (Currys in Canada), and I'll take these at 3 dollars a pop over name brand things 5 times its price.
So, on the topic of paints, I've been very happy to learn that my huge paint supply that I set aside 5 years ago was still mostly good. I threw away only three pots out of 50. All you need is a really good stir rod. The thicker ones like the bases don't keep well, but you just need to put in some thinning medium and they'll be 95% good as new. I threw away my Mephiston Red, Nuln Oil, Abbadon Black, and will be throwing out my Corax White soon when my Vallejo comes in, but otherwise I'm genuinely happy with the quality the paint keeps even after years of not being used.
Another aspect that could affect the monetary investing in Warhammer is the existence of other rule sets that are miniature agnostic, and do not require a high model count.
I dont regret buying a single miniature for 40k. In the end of the day i just get a nice model i want to build/comvert and paint.
Even though deathwatch have been pretty much destroyed. I don’t regret buying them, they helped me get into the hobby and I enjoy the custom load outs I’ve made for them over the years. They were a fun painting and building project
As of right now it's 3k points worth of "black clad space marines" that are currently schrodinger's faction.
The new Blood Angels box. No one needs that many gods damned intercessors.
I am a proud owner of 0 intercessors.
@@JC-jo9bf My condolences :
Got not reactor one so wort hfor me who want the characters
If you started in 9th especially.
I'm starting a BA army so yes, I actually do need those intercessors.
got the Kratos tank, Deredeo FW and Leviathan FW in 9th as i love Dreadnoughts and where playing Iron Hands.
also had a Contemptor from the HH box, it got converted to a Vashtorr Daemon Prince.
lost FW models both for my Nids (both Hierodules, 2 x Dimachaerons and Malanthrope) and for my Tau (2 x R'Varna)
also lost a few of the finecast/metal models i had for different armies.
I know GW wants to sell whole
boxes, but with 3D printing a thing now, I wish they would bring back the Bitz Box mail order catalogue.
They could have a 3D printer at each Warhammer store where customers could drop off requests for individual bits and come back when they are printed. Perfect way to jump start the hobby and use old IP.
The problem with waiting to buy stuff, instead of more impulse buying, is that by the time you get to buying it, they raised the cost a bunch of times, so you look at it on the shelf and it says $100 while in your head you are thinking I should have bought it right away cuz it was $80.
Heralds of Slaanesh are around $30 each but you can make one off of the Chariot kit and still have enough parts to make a Hellflayer or Seeker Chariot. That said, they might be updating the Herald so who knows how relevant this information will be?
They just moved the herald of Slaanesh (along with the chariots) to legends in AoS. Not sure how they’ll fare in 40K
@@nater.8371 Yeah, that's unfortunately another big concern. Hopefully this doesn't mean the Rendmasters are being moved to Legends as those guys are pretty important to Bloodletter bomb strategies right now.
I collect both coins and WH. The uninitiated may be of the belief that coins are more expensive to collect… yet my most expensive coin is a Spanish Empire Mo 8 reales from 1778 (a large silver coin) - This is considered a nice coin to have… and it cost me less than a vanguard box, lol.
My regret is not buying more of the old 5 man cultist squads that were around 10 bucks back in the day.
My problem with buying a gw army book is, I'm dyslexic, I should not be able to find grammatical errors ffs.
The cost of Flayed Ones is outrageous for what you get
It's the battleboxes that really trick you into starting projects you're never going to finish. I always liked Eldar and I got some more than I should have once a two-faction box got me that initial start and I'm never going to do it at this point.
I regret buying FOMO push fit boxes at the beginning of editions.
The quickest way for GW to make bank is release deathwatch Bertrand with the same appearances as the Deathwatch from the intro of Space Marine 2
Mek Gunz are actually decent since they can be kit stretched so well. They come with all 4 barrel types, arguably the most distinct part, and you just have to slap three of them plus a few plates on some cheap toy cannons to have 4 perfectly viable non-proxy Mek Gunz (well, 3 and the situational anti-fly one).
With an extra Tractor Gun bit taken from the new Mek that you may want to lead them (for phasing through a thin wall you deploy behind), you can arguably make 9 guns from 2 sets.
Add regular Grots as crew when you have some to spare, or just distribute the ones they come with for looks and count their Wounds normally.
Don't even use the grot crew, 2 boxes and a spare ork boy gets you a free unit of Gretchen 🤟
Authorized retailers around here charge extra. Someone tried to sell me a Leviathan box for $500. Another authorized seller charges the official store price plus 50% in dollars, and that's the lowest price you can get it for. (Import taxes for consumers are 50%, but not for companies). I've been buying from online stores that make the purchase on your behalf and bring it in. This adds extra costs (I'm adding a middleman), but it gives me a bit more security in getting some items from stores that don’t usually ship internationally.
I started doing this because the GW store often has limited stock and rarely any older items-they don’t even have the Dark Angels boxes anymore, and it’s been less than a year.
Also, if you know any stor that ship internationally with ANY discounts, I’d love the recommendation!
Cheers!
looking at what 3D printed models sell in various stores I somehow do not feel like GW is selling at a premium anymore.
FOMO boxes for armies and then at least one unit in the box winds up never getting used. Zodgrod in the Ork Beastsnagga box for example. Latest one for me is buying Hive Secundus and finding out how terrible the weapon options on the Tek-hunters are. Three special weapons in the entire kit and one of them is in the running for worst gun in Necromunda.
I only collect Age of Sigmar right now, but I like the look of the Grey Knights. The thing that stops me from collecting them now is that they're so short. I'm not even thinking about picking any up until they get an update.
Yeah army rules need to be living and free. They can sell fluff and lore, just don't paywall rules that will be obsolete in a couple of months.
Yeah I bought mostly primarily kill-team units for my DW but also 2 corvus blackstars to future proof my Deathwatch vs primaris. And no I literally don't have enough points to run them as SM or as DW without another purchase, unless they changed their mind and let us take the Corvus as a transport
Deathwatch... The $2000+ I spent on it.
Closely followed by buying ANY GW in the first place.
Deathwach yeah I started this year around the end of January to use all my spare marines for Deathwach and bought all the upgrades sprue and some extra bits for making veterans and boom 4 kill teams gone 2 regular intercessor squads just around and have now 10 veterans but the new rules yeah I don't see myself playing it.... hurts. I even got the corvus now, which is just a collection piece pretty much
My condolences 🙁
The books really are one of the worst deals of all time. By the time you get yours it isn’t even relevant anymore and you still have to check for rule changes, even if it literally just released that same day.
Or much like world eaters 9th edition your rules don’t come out until the end of the edition and are irrelevant 2 months later when 10th comes out.
The same thing will happen with WE 10th edition codex mark my words.
Honestly, what they do should probably be illegal. That being said I am pirating codexes from now on.
I went to the warhammer store the other day to get the tools. Saw the flush cutters for 50 bucks. Went to walmart and bought a pair for like 3.50ish. Pretty much chalke up my warhammer purchases to amazon, local game stores. And walmart. The warhammer stores, from my perspective, are just meeting spots and looking at what to look for elsewhere.
14:14 my single worst value kit is the Aeldari Warlocks. $60 msrp for two infantry-sized unnamed characters without any alternative weapon options that there are rules for. Absolutely ridiculous!
I much prefer the pots over dropper bottles. Ive had a very hard time getting some AP bottles shaken and mixed correctly even with metal bearings.
My local stores always offer me 20-25% automatic discount.
This plus, most of the owners are cool cats.
I still remember buying 7th edition Imperial Agents and being so excited to make a custom army of inquisitorial henchmen, only for 8th edition to drop and make it worthless only 6 months later.
The 10th edition rulebook.
3 Tyranid Warriors for $50 USD feels awful since I'd need a pretty good chunk of them to even make an army.
Don't think of the codex as primarily a rule book, think of it as a source for lore first and rules second. Yes, pick them up used where possible, but the lore is good for much longer than the rules.
As someone who's brand new to the hobby (yes because of Space Marine 2) I find your videos to be the most straightforward and helpful w/everything. Thank you
I always appreciate watching 40k on UA-cam, mainly for the painting videos, but I will never understand how much play 40k can be. I build Gunpla, and for a $20 model, you can get a ton of value from it, investing in paint and decals will make any kit worth while while being a fun project to do on the side. How do you guys feel about resin and 3d printing for minatures?
i had just finished collecting a 2000pt deathwatch army this summer- just in time for the new codex. it was one of the first armies i started collecting so im a little salty. not gutted, luckily my army list still mostly works as a generic space marine army. probably still going to play them in legends.
great content auspex, id love to see you dive into some genestealers brood brothers army lists and strategies- that's another army i was collecting that got a little pushed around!
Angron taught me the lesson of "Don't buy a really big expensive single kit outside of a value bundle box". I wanted to jump into a WE army and bought the Combat Patrol and Angron single kit. I did get a 15% discount at flgs, but if I had waited a few months I would have been able to get him in the 2023 WE Exalted of the Red Angel Battleforce box and had the Eightbound in there too.
Everything in Warhammer by GW is a waste of money!
FOMO minis, imbalanced rules, bloated roasters; all of it.
And the prices keep shooting through the stratosphere.
Then why are you here
he was just waiting for someone with no life and an ego issue to come into the comments and attack him. You win!
@@josephhefley9701 Is that a projection I see?
My friend and I got started 5 months ago, my friend went heavy into deathwatch. Now he has 2k of deathwatch that he can’t really play with.
Last year I started the hobbies. I bought 2 boxes of Sniper Scout, 10-man Relic Terminator, 2 boxes of Company Command, 1 Land Speeder Storm, 2 Land Speeders. Yeah they are all in legend now. Today I hope to my 6 space wolves' firstborn dreadnought survive.
All if this is why I switched over to Conquest the last argument of kings, Some of the lore the community gets to help writing it, every unit is usable, all game rules and updated rules are free, 3d printed factions made terrain you buy the STL and print as much as you want, Conquest world tournament stats all Army's are with in 5 to 10% of each other in win rate, every army has there own unique play style and the community is very helpful with new players
I got the Cadia Stands box and while I objectively dislike the AM combat patrol and the short life of the book, I don't regret the purchase as I got it all for just 100€ from a cheap merchant abroad, the book was fun and the box was my re-entry into the hobby after more than a decade
Nice book but less 350 pts of stuff in the box . I think it needed 3 sentinels though as they do put the olds ones to shame a little .
@@Resistantkillers Oh, yes, 3 sentinels would be a really good idea for the combat patrol to get the value in line with what it should have been while including new kits
Dark Angels losing the terminator commands squad and its characters really sucks
Biggest waste of money in warhammer 40k:
Playing warhammer 40k
I find the Tyranid CP pretty weird
In 10ed, it's worthless unless you really can't split the starter box
In 11ed when the current starter box will get discontinued, the Nids will probably be the third army to get a new Codex and CP
My biggest regret currently is the gsc models, got into the gams a couple months before the codex release, was having an absolute blast with the index, and then the codex shattered everything there was to like about the index and supplemented it with hardly anything
Ask your friends to let you carry on playing the index, if they were OK with it before.
Never buying another codex. Or any box set prior to to new version (Imperial Guard?) and I love having unit cards rather than the books...never buying them again...was it 2 weeks before they were all superceded this time?
I started Deathwatch at the start of 10th, I am pretty bummed about it going away.
biggest wastes for me have been things I have bought because "the deal was so good" when second hand shopping or store going out of business sales, that I ended up realizing I just didnt want at all, and while I have managed to trade those things for something I did want most of the time there have been a few times where I did end up selling at a loss. At the end of the day the biggest cost here in my opinion is wasted time I could have spent enjoying models I was interested in or just doing something other than warhammer, instead of chasing my tail.
Fell blade. Fucked that build right up
The Alternative to single Infantry characters is making it out of a unit box like Sisters of Silence and Harliquins which means if you run all your units at max size you have to buy the whole box for one character...
I recently bought a box of old CSM Mutilators from a shop I found selling old minis, thinking to myself that they’re not that ugly, and that surely finecast minis can’t be that annoying, this being my first one and considering it was used to be standard for models. I can now confirm that mutilators are, in fact, that ugly, and finecast is, in fact, that annoying. Won’t be doing that again.
Dice!! Themed sets often very expensive, but typically you only get 5 sets of dots!!
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I own an FDM printer myself for printing terrain, but I haven't jumped on a resin printer for minis just yet because tbh I prefer most of the official sculpts over the stl's online. And I just hate working with resin in general. But I do keep an eye out for the stl's that dare to be only minutely legally distinct from GW's models.
The Kroot box. So little plastic for so much money. Though that's everything now. I bought my first Hammerhead/Skyray kit when I started in Eighth Edition for $55. The second and third in 9E for $65. They are $85 now. That's a huge increase for a model that molds and packaging are older than my teenage son.
Glad to see Mek Gunz made the list. If you buy a Trukk, and 1 Mek Gun box, you can make 4 Mekguns with some Kitbashing!
@Auspex, what do you think of this as a suggestion to GW for the codexes? Going strictly digital. You buy codes for the books online. Most if not everyone has a smartphone that can handle the app, and if not, its really easy to grab a wifi capable tablet for cheap (cheap especially compared to this hobby.....) and then for those who want a hardcover make it made to order? That way, you pay for the app subscription and that gives you the rules, errata, balance slates and then you buy the codes (for much cheaper than $60 a book) for the armies you want. I think if it is a quarterly profits thing for the books, you could structure the pricing for the codes so that they can still demonstrate growth with the codes since they wont have the print overhead of mass producing so many codexes.
Could be way off on this but state of the game got me thinking
I had paid built and painted 3 max sized units of Flayed Ones in 9th. The unit size decreases hurt bad considering how expensive they were, let alone the kits jankyness.
I just 3d print. Have found some very good warp spiders, fire dragons, dire avengers, and banshees. Still looking for some vehicles though.
I quit warhammer when they deleted beasts of chaos.
Just give us a digital book. Then when the edition is done, print paper copies for the people who want them with all the newest rules.
That way people who stay in 8ed like me, get the latest rules.
When they announced last edition each faction was going to get new units with the codex, I thought you were going to actually get like a commander or squad sprue with the purchase of a codex, thought that was going to be pretty cool but nope.
I bought the index cards at the start of the edition. They were outdated when I got to play with them.
For me it was buying the CSM cards after the codex dropped. I bought the cards expecting that I wouldn't also have to buy the codex. The detachment rules were in the initial CSM deck when 10th launched, after all. But, nope, I had to buy the codex too.
Its funny how the best edition of 40k - which is 2nd ed, did not need constant rebalancing. Everything worked, codexes were right first time and nothing was broken. In the 90's I only remember a 1 sheet FAQ being issued to retail stores to clarify a few specific and niche rulings. Card game psychic phases, easy to use armour pen tables no dumb rerolls or strategems with the awful cp crap. The game 'swingy' and was won on the tabletop with rolling dice as opposed to the modern game where it is won by meta chasing and finding codex combo cheese.
Biggest waste of money was the first ever models I ever got, death guard combat patrol. $160 for 30 poxwalkers, typhus, and 7 death guard marines which aren’t legal to play unless it’s a 5 man squad. I feel like once you know what you buy and play, PPP (purchase per points) then you can determine if it was worth the cost. It wasn’t in my case. GW needs to start changing or I’m thinking of 3d printing my own models