There should be an invitational where every entrant is the best of their respective character, with 86 entrants in total. Characters without a definitive "best" could earn entry via dittos.
Ok, but what do you do with players like Riddles, who is the best Terry in the world, and arguably the best Kazuya? Does he pick one and let someone else take the other? Or does he play both and hope that he doesn't have to face himself?
@@micahbarrus8406 I feel within this idea of a tournament he only plays one, presumably Terry, and then the Kazuya goes to like Axiom XL or someone. Tea’s Kazuya is probably better than Riddles, but he’d surely take Pac Man. My choice would be to give Acola Kazuya and Onin Steve, but that also feels a little weird. This tournament would never happen though, it’s just a fun thought experiment.
A much needed win for Marss, not only for the obvious confidence boost but also the added incentive for doing good in connection with his streaming career. Dude went from 700 subs to 1000+ in his one hour scuffed celebration stream and it’s all the more reason for him to stay motivated. Top 10 Marss? We’ll have to wait and see 😌
@@damarihanson3876 Hard not to be a fan of a person with the qualities he has. He might not practice all the time, but he’s a competitor. He might not be too 5 anymore, but that just makes it feel all the more better when he gets wins like these. I missed out on seeing him thrive pre-Covid in his prime, so I’m not gonna miss out on seeing him grow as he is in this meta
ZSS and Bayonetta still have solid potential in Smash, even after their big nerfs. I know this tournament wasn't as stacked as many, but can we actually give Niko, Kirbykid, and Lima the credit they deserve? They took down some big names this tournament. Also congrats to Marss; he was on fire 🔥
@@illford 3 things : hands issues, he doesn't know how to apply the matchup and bayo has good tools against Wario. I'm more impressed about how close the set were but I was 100% sure Gluto would lose. Doesn't make B4E a better player than Gluto
To clarify on bloom's wins, gluto stated today on twitter : "He's very strong and I need to play the MU better, simple. Tendinitis or not, it's just an additional difficulty, I have to deal with it. It's 100% useless to wonder what would have happened without it."
Also can I just say how much I've loved the production from a stream viewer at LTC and CEO, just all the easy-to-read stats that come up during the stream are great.👏👏
Agreed fr fr while the stream time was kinda scuffed(missing whole Friday and ignoring multiple intense loser brackets{like Axe wizzrobe and hbox bass}) it was very comfortable watching. They show the brackets , Stats,runs and upsets clearly
Lima qualifying is actually pretty exciting. Hype to see a bayo on the big stage. After how far she was buried in nerfs I'm the move to ultimate. And bloom's results are really impressive too.
Im so proud of Lima, i aspire to be like him! i havent ever gone to a local tournament or any offline events, but i think i could have a shot at being a good bayo
Marss is my goat for sure, honestly since the start of the game. He is so inspiring to watch play, and when he’s playing good he feels so dominant, even at last hit. HOWEVER, I know that he and ZSS have a tough time against DLC (and olimar 😬). I know he has it in him to take them down, but I also havent seen or heard of him grinding out those matchups specifically.
I think everyone who plays a base-roster character has trouble with DLC (ESPECIALLY fp2 DLC). Honestly, that shows how meta-breaking the FP2 characters are. Almost every top player uses one of them, now (as a main or as a secondary). And those who don't are not the top dogs (besides Light, Sonix, and Kola).
FP2 characters are unique for sure but its not like base roster has trouble against them. Pretty sure the struggle is mainly because of less matchup experience
As much as I love the current smash competitive scene, I can't really bring myself to watch all the sets. But seeing your videos and hearing you hype up every win and every storyline is a pleasure to watch. Love your videos and their amazing quality, keep up the superb work
Talking about UK players, Shaneak also managed to add another pretty strong run to his resume as a top level UK threat too. After his run at Boss Battles where he placed 13th, almost upsetting Sisqui in a nailbiter set and upsetting CurryGovenor, he managed to upset Flow and Ogey at VCA, taking a game off B4E as well in his run. With Space (who beat Fatality) and Shaneak, EU Inklings are a pretty strong threat right now.
Unfortunate that Hellena Taylor couldn't reprise her role, but its probably due to Covid Lockdowns that kept her from going to a studio to record lines compared to Jennifer Hale who most likely does a lot of work at home.
another notable upset you didn't mention was Scottish Pac Man main Octave (109th seed) beating Sintro's ROB (20th seed) in a dominant 2-0 also shoutouts to Mazebeans getting 9th and taking a game off Gluto at his first ever tournament outside of the Uk
Honestly, despite this impressive turnout, I still don’t think Bayonetta or ZSS are that good. Solid, of course, just like any other character in the game, but not unknown top tiers or anything. I though even before the nerfs ZSS needed to be more rewarded off throws to be top tier and Bayonetta is even worse in that regard. With ZSS, she has an extremely unsafe grab with little reward even when you do manage to land it. Bayo’s is more safe, but comes with even less reward. The best they can get off grabs is 50/50’s. In ZSS’s case, it doesn’t matter quite as much because she has safe moves on shield, but pretty much all of Bayo’s moves are worse than -5 on shield and let’s not even get into how minus they are with special lag. As a former ZSS turned Bayonetta main who’s trying to drop for Joker, I can say with confidence that it’s much more the player than the character in this case.
@@ohjonny95 When Bayo got her final buff in the kaz update then yes and maybe even 8.0 Bayo too but Pre 8.0 Bayo was a low tier character that barely worked this character was fixed by a lot of patches that made her best attributes stronger and more consistent Namely her strong disadvantage and combos
Mona and i were originally supposed to split this video with them covering the LTC portion, however their voice was shot and they asked me to cover both for them this week
Why don't you guys cover middle east majors were a up and coming reigon with a lot of good players but we don't trval3s but watch us so please cover us
I fuckin love this channel. Also it's awesome to see a smash bros vid ft bayonetta that doesnt have mfin smash 4 mentioned ughhhh im so sick and tired of hearing about how she "BROKE THE META" when those sweaty idiots coulda just re-legalized custom moves, yk, fight fire with water!!!!!!!
Players of any region are allowed, the Panda Cup only has events in North America but it isn’t limited to NA players. The only Japanese player to qualify for the Panda Cup so far is aMSa.
I am bewildered at how quickly you all are able to produce such highly produced content.
Dedication and teamwork but their turn around is insane
The tourney finished on Sunday like wow
Right? They're making the metagame so much easier to follow
“Produce highly produced content”
@@Mordo___ Look man no one said I was perfect
There should be an invitational where every entrant is the best of their respective character, with 86 entrants in total. Characters without a definitive "best" could earn entry via dittos.
Ok, but what do you do with players like Riddles, who is the best Terry in the world, and arguably the best Kazuya? Does he pick one and let someone else take the other? Or does he play both and hope that he doesn't have to face himself?
@@micahbarrus8406 I think he should pick one
danganronpa invitational
@@micahbarrus8406 I think he's more well known for Kazuya, but no matter which he picks there's plenty of competition for the 2nd best of both.
@@micahbarrus8406 I feel within this idea of a tournament he only plays one, presumably Terry, and then the Kazuya goes to like Axiom XL or someone. Tea’s Kazuya is probably better than Riddles, but he’d surely take Pac Man. My choice would be to give Acola Kazuya and Onin Steve, but that also feels a little weird. This tournament would never happen though, it’s just a fun thought experiment.
A much needed win for Marss, not only for the obvious confidence boost but also the added incentive for doing good in connection with his streaming career. Dude went from 700 subs to 1000+ in his one hour scuffed celebration stream and it’s all the more reason for him to stay motivated. Top 10 Marss? We’ll have to wait and see 😌
You are a true Marss fan, commenting anywhere he is mentioned lmao. Respect the dedication
I miss when marss was top 3 on ranking. But I believe he can bring it back. Zss may suk but she’s good in this meta we have
@@damarihanson3876 Hard not to be a fan of a person with the qualities he has. He might not practice all the time, but he’s a competitor. He might not be too 5 anymore, but that just makes it feel all the more better when he gets wins like these. I missed out on seeing him thrive pre-Covid in his prime, so I’m not gonna miss out on seeing him grow as he is in this meta
@@bossjack4225 I thought he peaked at being ranked #5 right before covid hit.
@@craigmoon2121 he was number 3 after nairo and samsora got banned. But yeah, his peak was 5th
ZSS and Bayonetta still have solid potential in Smash, even after their big nerfs. I know this tournament wasn't as stacked as many, but can we actually give Niko, Kirbykid, and Lima the credit they deserve? They took down some big names this tournament. Also congrats to Marss; he was on fire 🔥
Huge run from Lima! im so proud of him and cant wait to see him in the panda cup Finale!!! :)
I mean Bloom does hold a 3-0 record on Gluto which is insane
@@illford 3 things : hands issues, he doesn't know how to apply the matchup and bayo has good tools against Wario.
I'm more impressed about how close the set were but I was 100% sure Gluto would lose.
Doesn't make B4E a better player than Gluto
I just want to clarify that the clip of Hungrybox popping off comes from taking a single stock as steve and then immediately losing the set.
I don’t think he has anything to prove in ultimate he mostly cares about melee, probably just wants to compete either way but I’ve always loved hbox
The content was too sweet to not for him
To clarify on bloom's wins, gluto stated today on twitter : "He's very strong and I need to play the MU better, simple. Tendinitis or not, it's just an additional difficulty, I have to deal with it. It's 100% useless to wonder what would have happened without it."
France and UK having a rivalry for top spots in the PGR? Art imitates life, it seems.
Whoever made the thumbnail needs a raise, that looks sick.
Yeah, makes me have a fever 🥵
Also can I just say how much I've loved the production from a stream viewer at LTC and CEO, just all the easy-to-read stats that come up during the stream are great.👏👏
Agreed fr fr while the stream time was kinda scuffed(missing whole Friday and ignoring multiple intense loser brackets{like Axe wizzrobe and hbox bass}) it was very comfortable watching. They show the brackets , Stats,runs and upsets clearly
Lima qualifying is actually pretty exciting. Hype to see a bayo on the big stage. After how far she was buried in nerfs I'm the move to ultimate.
And bloom's results are really impressive too.
Wadi you gotta start top 8ing man. Your one of my favorite players.
Im so proud of Lima, i aspire to be like him! i havent ever gone to a local tournament or any offline events, but i think i could have a shot at being a good bayo
imagine aspiring to be like lima 😂😂😂 does he know???!?!
@@lokks2130 indeed
Marss is my goat for sure, honestly since the start of the game. He is so inspiring to watch play, and when he’s playing good he feels so dominant, even at last hit. HOWEVER, I know that he and ZSS have a tough time against DLC (and olimar 😬). I know he has it in him to take them down, but I also havent seen or heard of him grinding out those matchups specifically.
I think everyone who plays a base-roster character has trouble with DLC (ESPECIALLY fp2 DLC). Honestly, that shows how meta-breaking the FP2 characters are. Almost every top player uses one of them, now (as a main or as a secondary). And those who don't are not the top dogs (besides Light, Sonix, and Kola).
FP2 characters are unique for sure but its not like base roster has trouble against them. Pretty sure the struggle is mainly because of less matchup experience
@@Spyder-Marth Maister and glutto as well
Thanks a ton for the high quality VCA coverage! 😄
Marss just plays the game 🤝
Again great coverage of both events! Really nice work on the european part as well
Thanks for putting Marss' boss theme when presenting his run to celebrate his accomplishment. Nice touch.
12:25 mhhhh i wonder who that guy is 🤔
As much as I love the current smash competitive scene, I can't really bring myself to watch all the sets. But seeing your videos and hearing you hype up every win and every storyline is a pleasure to watch. Love your videos and their amazing quality, keep up the superb work
this channel hard carries competitive ultimate
Whoever did the thumbnail knew exactly what he was doing.
In case anyone is wondering... the end song is called We're Robots. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE THAT SONG
Seeing so much Meta Knight rep was amazing as a Meta Knight main.
I appriciate the the valedictory elegy for Marss music
The click bait was good, I mean it got me XD
Talking about UK players, Shaneak also managed to add another pretty strong run to his resume as a top level UK threat too. After his run at Boss Battles where he placed 13th, almost upsetting Sisqui in a nailbiter set and upsetting CurryGovenor, he managed to upset Flow and Ogey at VCA, taking a game off B4E as well in his run. With Space (who beat Fatality) and Shaneak, EU Inklings are a pretty strong threat right now.
Didnt Space go all Pythra in VCA?
@@jonathand.t.5051 nope, he played both characters. His 3-0 on fatality was with Inkling
@@andrevanderlinden8722 Huh good to know
So happy for marss' triumphant return. He deserves it.
Fire thumbnail 🤌
Immediately cracked up at the content creator comment. 10/10 delivery here’s a like
i didn't know gluto had tendonitis, that's really sad and really cool at the same time
9:53
I didn’t know Meta Knight was 2 characters lmao
He used palu,pika samus and meta knight. They were only talking about the Sets he all won without dropping a game.
Perfect that this video came out (🏳🌈) on the same day it was announced the voice of Samus is now voicing Bayonetta in Bayo 3
Unfortunate that Hellena Taylor couldn't reprise her role, but its probably due to Covid Lockdowns that kept her from going to a studio to record lines compared to Jennifer Hale who most likely does a lot of work at home.
People really just forgot that Marss used to literally be the best in the world pre-pandemic, glad to see him on the grind again.
No one forgot lol, he just didn't produce the results and people got better during the pandemic while he focused on content creation.
He was second best behind Leo pre-pandemic, even lower throughout fall 2019. Y'all really out here just lying, it's gross. Hate Marss fans.
@@lokks2130 he 3-0’d Leo in grand finals lmao
@@lokks2130 no he wasnt. that title went to Tweek
@@lokks2130 I'm a Marss fan, but I thought he peaked at rank #5 right before covid hit.
4th seeds do be winning majors though
Awesome video !
Still waiting for the Little Mac analysis video tho !
>:) hopefully you won’t have to wait too long
another notable upset you didn't mention was Scottish Pac Man main Octave (109th seed) beating Sintro's ROB (20th seed) in a dominant 2-0
also shoutouts to Mazebeans getting 9th and taking a game off Gluto at his first ever tournament outside of the Uk
Badass thumbnail!
The french shadow realm is expanding
Zomba's runs are SOOO cursed. I think the last 4+ tournaments, he's finished exactly 1 spot outside qualifying for something
Wait, Esam played the whole tourney on the box? Insane
Also Sandra Trim wasn't an upset, Sandro being seded 32 and Trim 33.
Honestly, despite this impressive turnout, I still don’t think Bayonetta or ZSS are that good. Solid, of course, just like any other character in the game, but not unknown top tiers or anything. I though even before the nerfs ZSS needed to be more rewarded off throws to be top tier and Bayonetta is even worse in that regard. With ZSS, she has an extremely unsafe grab with little reward even when you do manage to land it. Bayo’s is more safe, but comes with even less reward. The best they can get off grabs is 50/50’s. In ZSS’s case, it doesn’t matter quite as much because she has safe moves on shield, but pretty much all of Bayo’s moves are worse than -5 on shield and let’s not even get into how minus they are with special lag. As a former ZSS turned Bayonetta main who’s trying to drop for Joker, I can say with confidence that it’s much more the player than the character in this case.
Esam beat Muteace 3-0, not 3-1.
"How ZSS and Bayonetta Made Their Ultimate Return" ZSS was never bad tho
I think the same can be said about Bayonetta. She just needed some development.
@@ohjonny95 When Bayo got her final buff in the kaz update then yes
and maybe even 8.0 Bayo too but Pre 8.0 Bayo was a low tier character that barely worked this character was fixed by a lot of patches that made her best attributes stronger and more consistent
Namely her strong disadvantage and combos
This is an ara ara match up.
This thumbnail is incredible
Absolutey amazing video once again
The PGstats narrator has a cadence that reminds me a lot of R.C. Bray's audiobook narrations.
From now on I will call the NAPGRU
The nap grew
Amazing that 2 months later, none of these great performances matter.
its like they predicted where these guys would place. they made this shit so fast
*BLOOM4EVA!!!!* 1️⃣🐐👑
Dude, are there ANY panda cup spots on tournaments outside of the NA?
2:14 made me laugh no top player wants to lose to a k rool
Dude i love these videos
I feel like not touching on jeep, whose first out of state major was LTC, upsetting frawg and finishing 33rd seeded 231st is a big miss.
really good video!
Fun Fact: The new voice for Bayonetta also does the voice for Samus in the Metroid Prime games
Also we had a lot of japnese top players come to th3 mena for tourneys in multiple reigons in uae saudi qatar and kuwait
Love these!
2:39 Gotta Stay Balanced 💪
Grande Vidad 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
No mention of Jeep's crazy run at LTC. sad.
We were robbed of Comona covering LTC
Their voice needed a much deserved break after killing it on commentary this weekend, they'll be back for next week's Big House 10 recap!
Mona and i were originally supposed to split this video with them covering the LTC portion, however their voice was shot and they asked me to cover both for them this week
Also peanut won a local tourny
But no mentions of Jeep?
Where is Goku. Sora won a major
So sick of everyone calling bayo mid tier finally have even more results to prove she isn’t
But. She is. No one puts Byleth in top tier bc of Leo. No one puts ICs in high tier bc of BigD. Bayo is, at best, mid tier.
@@tloz171nfs you’d be surprised how high some top players put byleth in their tierlist
Please what is the music from 10:44 to the end
Kirbykid 🎉
Me waiting for Peanut and Alternis D:
Still being scripted!
Still watched the whole video and left a like tho
why do you guys keep saying the lcq is free to enter if it says it's 15 dollars on smashgg
There is no venue fee, the event is free to enter to spectate and play friendlies, among many other activities.
@@pgstats ah fair enough
The gays coming back in the meta
Period 💅
Is this Baiten Kaitos OST?
I feel like such a dweeb for liking these videos. Oh well.
Did it for the *Thicc*
3:13 “ESANS”
💀🧿
Why don't you guys cover middle east majors were a up and coming reigon with a lot of good players but we don't trval3s but watch us so please cover us
We covered some this summer on the website. Do you have any info on more recent brackets?
Love the EU coverage.
I used to main ZSS but I don't now I main Captain Falcon
LESGO PGSTATS GLUTO APOLOGIST LESGO
Idk y but 5:13 was funny af😂🤣😂
Lost tech city isn’t even a major for ultimate
I fuckin love this channel.
Also it's awesome to see a smash bros vid ft bayonetta that doesnt have mfin smash 4 mentioned ughhhh im so sick and tired of hearing about how she "BROKE THE META" when those sweaty idiots coulda just re-legalized custom moves, yk, fight fire with water!!!!!!!
Yeah agreed.
countering smash 4 bayo by re-legalizing customs might be the dumbest idea I've ever heard lmao
Will Japanese players be in the panda cup?
Players of any region are allowed, the Panda Cup only has events in North America but it isn’t limited to NA players. The only Japanese player to qualify for the Panda Cup so far is aMSa.
@@pgstats I would've loved to see them qualify through a japanese major but I guess that'll make the NA events more competitive
post real upsets
No goku mention, bad vid
Wish I could go to Big House. But I'm not vaccinated...
Turn this into a drama channel
What's will all these players' life stories you inject into every recap, can't you just summarize the matches normally?
if you want to know how the matches went just look at the bracket lol
Bayonetta still sucks.. sorry
First
Damn
…what about jeep?🫤