We didn't ban Sonic so we won't ban Steve. Like any metagame in any videogame players need to adapt, and if it's so egregious that no other character is competitive anymore then you figure out some limitations on blocks that isn't too ridiculous or unfair but limits it's power
Kola getting upset by Villager and DK while MuteAce had to go through that cursed bracket is hilarious. MuteAce had endless stamina, I was really impressed by how clean he was playing even after so many sets vs ToD characters.
Kola keeps losing his cool lol. He rages about every character he loses to, now including Low Tiers while he mains Top Tiers? Honestly, this goes to show that you cannot be "carried" that much in Ultimate, at least not nowadays (unless we talking about Steve or Kazuya). Still, it is indeed hilarious to see top tier mains rage about worse characters.
@@YouALLStop top tierS? He has the arguable worst top tier (or it seems so by comparison) in Roy, and a high tier in Cloud. But, Kola raging in general is hilarious.
@@xdifficultviper9916 No, I’m just saying fighting those two characters back to back seems mentally exhausting. You always gotta worry about crazy DLC gimmicks and baloney all the time. I’m not familiar with the mu but on paper it seems even. But idk 🤷♂️
That Muteace video was so funny. He has to deal with all the Steves because others failed against them. It's sad but hilarious at the same time. Keep it up Muteace, you'll win a major one day.
The year is 20QD. Steve is not only dominating, but Quandale Dingleingleton is the best player in the world. Steve’s meta is so developed, entire games are decided on who gets diamond first
Shoutouts to Izaw, who is single-handedly responsible for gaslighting the entire Smash community into thinking Steve Sux and is (jokingly) the reason that Nintendo/Sakurai never *_properly_* re-balanced/nerfed Steve ("trash tier character omegalul").
10:09 Tweek is like the main rival of the first season of a shonen anime, where his only purpose of future seasons is to get smashed by every new antagonist
That perspective on Tweeks losses is really helpful. It feels like he’s kinda lost his stuff but he’s only losing to the best of the best. He’s not number two in the world anymore but he’s not as washed as people might say.
I like how theres more story elements in these recaps now, usually the invitationals were the only ones that went from day 1 to day 3 but now seeing this in open brackets feels better.
Acola has placed top 2 at three tournaments back to back to back, all within three weeks. -1st at MaesumaTOP#10 (Oct 15-16th) -2nd at the Ludwig Smash Invitational (Oct 21-23rd) -1st at Let’s Make Moves Miami (Oct. 28-30th) That’s 3 tournaments in three different parts of the world, three vastly different competitive environments, beating top players from multiple different countries. Kid’s insane.
@@EmptyHand49 I don't care how good Steve is, he isn't anywhere close to making it to where people doing stuff like what Acola is doing are winning purely because of Steve being OP, you don't do this without being really good at the game, take note of the fact the only other Steve close to getting these kind of results is Onin, which makes sense, as he's arguably the second best Steve behind Acola, and the best Steve in the United States.
@@Mike223istaken Well then you miss the entire point. Acola nor Onin were getting the same results back before Steve was released. Unless they can prove they can win majors without Steve then they will always be considered below actual top players in terms of talent and skill.
I strongly dislike Steve as a character, but the point about an "arms race to counter Smash's most unique character" is an interesting perspective in terms of evolving the meta: Steve isn't particularly broken in the same way that Brawl's Meta Knight was, he's just a very flexible character and that means opposing players have to find ways to approach or win neutral in increasingly creative ways. The anime is getting spicy. It's like all rivalries stop to fight the upcoming Steveageddon, on some Marvel shit here.
I think the more Steve gets optimized, the harder this will get and the more broken Steve will look. Yes players are catching up with counterplay, but it looks like he has so much left in the tank in terms of tech and even the best Steves aren't doing the most optimal combos consistently.
@@shepardice3775 true but it depends how much of that gas left in the tank is useful, hell ICs have more tech than tournament placements and all of it is pretty cool but unrealistic. I think the counter play will eventually evolve past Steve’s “New” tech soon, you don’t think every top player is skriming the hell out Steve? Acola is the only Steve player I would have serious doubts that we can catch simply because he’s a very good player and pilots the the best character in the game, unlike some other who are carried by his braindead game play
Even if counterplaying Steve to make it 50 50 is possible long term - he is much much harder to play against than to play with. Combine that with the fact that every non Steve has to grind that much up disproportionally much while also keeping up with other matchups, it simply isnt fair and shouldnt be kept around.
That’s grand finals was honestly depressing. Possibly the most dominant two sets I’ve ever seen. Never seen someone put so much out of there ass and look so hopeless.
Sadly, this is true. Mac, one of the character with less recovery, no projectiles, no gimmicks other than k.o. puch which dissapears in like 2 fking steve uptilts vs steve, one of the most unbalanced and disgusting pieces of shit we've had in smash since brawl metaknight
@@noirlavender6409 Metaknight was SO much worse. He could literally disappear forever if he ever got a lead. He was also like 30% of the top level players instead of like 3% for Steve
Poor Fatality. He's always close to the top but never quite there. And since everybody kind of expects as much, he doesn't really get talked about much either. Hopefully he can pull out a major one day.
Chunkykong finally getting some mainstream recognition is great, but he is still one of the most underrated players on the planet. He can and most likely will win a major at some point in the near future.
I definitely believe that he can indeed win a major at some point. People just focuses so much on the character they forget that there are people piloting that character
@@FloetryFox88 There is only so much ChunkyKong can do with DK. Sparg0 is a good player but that doesn't mean Cloud/Pyra/mythra's recovery gets better. Light is an excellent fox player with good tools but his recovery is exploitable. Is it Sparg0 and Lights fault that the characters they pilot have a bad recovery? No. DK is just to limited on what he can do.
people will really say that the steve match-up did onin in despite the fact that he's literally the second bet steve on earth before they admit that acola is cracked
Everyone wants to cry out to ban Steve without admitting that all of these "carried" players are consistently getting high placements at majors. If we were seeing random local players at majors getting carried by Steve I could see the argument but it's the same Steve players every weekend... Wonder why that is.
Steve is not broken he is just massively different. He is in a category of his own. He’s not like other DLC characters that fit into a category of zoners, street fighters, sword wackers, etc. Steve has a mechanic and play style that is just different. And top players have flooded to him cause of his uniqueness that makes it hard to match up against him because he requires a neutral game unlike any other character. If I added a new zoner to the game it wouldn’t change much cause you as a player have played against zoners before for years, if I add a sword person same thing. Steve is just new and people are still figuring out the matchup play style. There’s no previous character that you already have practiced against to prepare you for Steve. He’s not broken, he’s just new.
I don't particularly hate watching Steve in tournaments but as someone who enjoys the variety and balance of Ultimate I worry that Steve will make it so that previously viable mid and high tiers will slowly vanish. We'll see tho! More data may be needed.
I feel like more and more players have come up with anti-Steve tech and we will potentially see less Steve’s in Grand Finals I’m joking, that character is broken af
Man Tweek is getting the exact same bracket luck that IBDW has in Melee. Cody got 9th at LSI losing to Zain and Mango, and his last couple tourneys have had similarly horrible bracket luck.
I'm still super unconvinced that Steve needs a ban. Having watched the Brawl Metaknight and Smash 4 Bayo metas Ultimate is still looking 100x healthier. That being said, I think "well the Steve's were highly seeded and placed as expected" isn't a good argument. If a bunch of the best players are Steve mains that's an issue in and of itself. But we're not seeing other top players really switch to Steve like we did with Bayo in Smash 4. Steve is not obviously the best counter to himself right now.
Let's Make Moves Miami? More like "Let's Make Moves, Steve Army!" "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!" Ok honestly I hate the rise of Steve. Someone get him under control.
Fr tho. Steve was honestly fun to watch at first when he first came out bc he was new and not many ppl played him. Now he’s literally everywhere so that magic is gone.
I kind of hope the whole "Steve carries the player, which means the player doesn't deserve their place in the competitive scene" narrative dies off later on, even though it probably won't.
Especially for Onin, who at this tournament we saw him use his previous mains, including one of the few characters that many agree actually beats Steve (Shulk) and got absolutely DEMOLISHED. Onin may be the 2nd best Steve, but he got MASSIVELY player-differenced in Grands
It's sorta frustrating that Steve has no hard counter in this game. Kazuya gets decimated by a good Inking or Peach, Sephiroth hates rushdown like Mario and Roy, and Aegis can't deal with people with longer reach than them like Marthcina and Min Min. Steve, however, can't be camped out by a Samus, rushed down by Mario, tempo'd by Byleth, or ToD'd by Kazuya/Ken. He's just a menace with no clear cut weakness like weight, speed, or reach; he can escape juggles with block or dair, make LITERAL WALLS to block projectiles, and his jab is fast enough to negate everything that isn't a literal true combo from the ground
@@lokks2130 Roller beats zap punch, consistently. I've K.O.'d some of the best Kazuyas in my region because of that specific interaction, in addition to Inkling up air beating the falling drop kick.
Of course as soon as I pick up brawler they become ten times as common lol, I thought I was cool. I love seeing people finally getting over the "I don't wanna play the mii fighters" though.
Pro Players: We shouldn't ban Steve unless almost every single guy is playing Steve in tournament Lets Make Moves: 7 Steve's and 2 are #1 and 2. Pro Players:
Yeah but it’s literally just those two making it to top 8’s consistently. And it means that the arguably 2nd best player in the world just doesn’t get to represent himself in the US anymore
No split VODs until Tuesday set our editing team back a bit (if you've ever worked in Premiere you know how awful dealing with big 8+ hour long video files can be.) We figured out a workaround in case that happens again in the future, but that was the main reason this time.
Acola is an absolute beast, though man, that Losers finals set was a heart breaker for Mute, I was really rooting for him. But that Grands set was... yeesh. Easily in the top 5 most brutal player destructions in Grands, and that's in contention with some of Leo's destructions (Frostbite 2020 and Colossel come to mind) because... lordie. Onin intentionally SDing 3 times (which, I'll be honest, I get due to the pressure and flagging mental game, I still think him as a TOP level competitor should've had more integrity and respect, but meh) was a rough look. Makes me look forward to the Panda Cup and SWT, where we can see the meteorically rising Japanese Prince and the reigning World King go up against each other again because at this point, that's gonna be the two tournaments that decide the rankings.
I like how many trailers for majors have Wario when Gluto is the only player managing to use him at top level ! (Even tho he wasn't on stream once for Ludwig's despite playing some incredible sets)
@@fourniervictor9354 Idk if the commentators picked for every match. They def picked for that top 16 qualifier tho, and yes - they did not pick the Gluto match on that round. But that's more because he was playing against (I think) Shuton, and Europeans are famously bad at the Olimar matchup, so Gluto kinda got destroyed by Shuton.
coinbox today lmao. but if you mean offline, it would be Genesis next year, bc he hasn't qualified for Panda Cup or SWT. I would really like for him to got to the LCQs tho...
re: tweek I'd be really interested to see what the average win % is for the average tournament player when a set goes to g5- feel like tweeks horrid win % in game 5 will have to normalize to whatever that mean is eventually
I feel so bad for players like MuteAce. He has constantly had to fight FP2 characters in a row, in multiple tournaments! Forget character variety I guess. Just Steve and Kazuya. I relate to MuteAce a ton because for some reason, I end up fighting top 50 world-ranked players second-round on Winners side, in EVERY tournament. If it isn't a top 50 world-ranked player, it's the eventual winner of the tournament. Not only that, I don't get a break. I play these guys IMMEDIATELY after I win. I don't know why I keep getting paired up with top players while everyone else fights non-top players, but you know what? This makes me want to improve even more. If I seriously want to make top 8, I gotta beat these guys; so be it.
That's just how seeding works, unfortunately. Higher seeds get to play the lower seeds so the best players (in seeding) don't take each other out early on, supposedly. The system simply rewards the better player, so using it as a motivation is valid. Good luck!
Onin did not main shulk as far as im aware, he did use to main robin and joker tho, among other characters I think GnW and ROB were in the list as well
Onin used Shulk in the HBox "Steve main tournament using non Steve characters." I think that's why some people believe he might have main Shulk at some point.
The script of this video is really sick, love telling the story as if it's new and being reviewed LIVE 🔥 Steve is ruining the game though.... Stop capping, frfr
7:10 "On the first PGRU that took place in spring of 2019." When you say 'that' I have to wonder if there were multiple PGRUs in the spring of 2019. Use 'which', please!
great production as always! love hearing the usual l4st voiceover but I will say, I think l4st could work on his expressiveness a bit more, he sounds a bit flat a lot of the time but it’s enjoyable nonetheless!
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Should Steve be banned? Discuss for the algorithm. :)
Nah
No lol. Steve was seated to win the tournament so it was expected.
No they aren't all that dominant I think, just VERY prevalent
We didn't ban Sonic so we won't ban Steve. Like any metagame in any videogame players need to adapt, and if it's so egregious that no other character is competitive anymore then you figure out some limitations on blocks that isn't too ridiculous or unfair but limits it's power
No
Kola getting upset by Villager and DK while MuteAce had to go through that cursed bracket is hilarious. MuteAce had endless stamina, I was really impressed by how clean he was playing even after so many sets vs ToD characters.
Kola keeps losing his cool lol. He rages about every character he loses to, now including Low Tiers while he mains Top Tiers?
Honestly, this goes to show that you cannot be "carried" that much in Ultimate, at least not nowadays (unless we talking about Steve or Kazuya). Still, it is indeed hilarious to see top tier mains rage about worse characters.
@@YouALLStop top tierS? He has the arguable worst top tier (or it seems so by comparison) in Roy, and a high tier in Cloud.
But, Kola raging in general is hilarious.
Peach is a ToD character
I'm so proud of MuteAce. He has improved so much
Shut up you bot
muteace my goat
Frrrr dude ran into like 3 Steves and a Kazuya 😭
@@xanander4693 peach struggles with kazuya? I’d assume she has a decent matchup against the shotos
@@xdifficultviper9916 No, I’m just saying fighting those two characters back to back seems mentally exhausting. You always gotta worry about crazy DLC gimmicks and baloney all the time.
I’m not familiar with the mu but on paper it seems even. But idk 🤷♂️
I can't get over that there is a Byleth main called "Leo at home"
Lmao yea hes good as hell too he beat Jake at glitch earlier this year
@@Echo-jt3nr at, so Acola vs "LeoAtHome" quite literally lol. Sorry I'll leave now...
People forget that Peach was the OG 0-80 monster in Ultimate
Now everyone is an 0-80 monster
And it was easier to figure out how to do it with her than with ROB
"With ApolloKage finally getting TOP..
EIGHT
at a major" 😂
That Muteace video was so funny. He has to deal with all the Steves because others failed against them. It's sad but hilarious at the same time. Keep it up Muteace, you'll win a major one day.
It's depressing how Mute Ace had to face Yonni, Acola, Onin, and then Acola in the same tournament, with only Riddles to break it up.
@@l.n.3372 and Riddles is still Kazuya lol damn. Mute had a rough bracket huh?
@@l.n.3372 5 ToDs vs ToDs in a row huh
@@nathanlevesque7812
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@@l.n.3372 Peach is one of them
ChunkyKong proved this week that it doesn't matter how hard you get hit, just how hard you can hit back.
Monke
Like a monkey playing musical chairs. And there's only one chair left.
@@Samati1631 yes
The year is 20QD. Steve is not only dominating, but Quandale Dingleingleton is the best player in the world. Steve’s meta is so developed, entire games are decided on who gets diamond first
Shoutouts to Izaw, who is single-handedly responsible for gaslighting the entire Smash community into thinking Steve Sux
and is (jokingly) the reason that Nintendo/Sakurai never *_properly_* re-balanced/nerfed Steve ("trash tier character omegalul").
10:09 Tweek is like the main rival of the first season of a shonen anime, where his only purpose of future seasons is to get smashed by every new antagonist
he's the power threshold bahaha
ChunkyKong is life
Facts
C K
Chunkykong is love
That perspective on Tweeks losses is really helpful. It feels like he’s kinda lost his stuff but he’s only losing to the best of the best. He’s not number two in the world anymore but he’s not as washed as people might say.
I like how theres more story elements in these recaps now, usually the invitationals were the only ones that went from day 1 to day 3 but now seeing this in open brackets feels better.
Acola has placed top 2 at three tournaments back to back to back, all within three weeks.
-1st at MaesumaTOP#10 (Oct 15-16th)
-2nd at the Ludwig Smash Invitational (Oct 21-23rd)
-1st at Let’s Make Moves Miami (Oct. 28-30th)
That’s 3 tournaments in three different parts of the world, three vastly different competitive environments, beating top players from multiple different countries.
Kid’s insane.
Make sure you never say this on Twitter. Because all you'll get in response is "Waa waa, ban Steve"
@@Phemon1337well, considering how bad YT is and I've seen Reddit and Twitter for myself... I believe you.
With what character though?
Exactly
@@EmptyHand49 I don't care how good Steve is, he isn't anywhere close to making it to where people doing stuff like what Acola is doing are winning purely because of Steve being OP, you don't do this without being really good at the game, take note of the fact the only other Steve close to getting these kind of results is Onin, which makes sense, as he's arguably the second best Steve behind Acola, and the best Steve in the United States.
@@Mike223istaken Well then you miss the entire point. Acola nor Onin were getting the same results back before Steve was released. Unless they can prove they can win majors without Steve then they will always be considered below actual top players in terms of talent and skill.
I strongly dislike Steve as a character, but the point about an "arms race to counter Smash's most unique character" is an interesting perspective in terms of evolving the meta: Steve isn't particularly broken in the same way that Brawl's Meta Knight was, he's just a very flexible character and that means opposing players have to find ways to approach or win neutral in increasingly creative ways.
The anime is getting spicy. It's like all rivalries stop to fight the upcoming Steveageddon, on some Marvel shit here.
I think the more Steve gets optimized, the harder this will get and the more broken Steve will look. Yes players are catching up with counterplay, but it looks like he has so much left in the tank in terms of tech and even the best Steves aren't doing the most optimal combos consistently.
@@shepardice3775 true but it depends how much of that gas left in the tank is useful, hell ICs have more tech than tournament placements and all of it is pretty cool but unrealistic. I think the counter play will eventually evolve past Steve’s “New” tech soon, you don’t think every top player is skriming the hell out Steve? Acola is the only Steve player I would have serious doubts that we can catch simply because he’s a very good player and pilots the the best character in the game, unlike some other who are carried by his braindead game play
Even if counterplaying Steve to make it 50 50 is possible long term - he is much much harder to play against than to play with.
Combine that with the fact that every non Steve has to grind that much up disproportionally much while also keeping up with other matchups, it simply isnt fair and shouldnt be kept around.
@@theSato I don’t know why his is hard for people to understand
This has got to be the best view I’ve seen on this situation in a good fucking while.
“this godforsaken peninsula we call Florida”
I’m sorry but that line kills me
That’s grand finals was honestly depressing. Possibly the most dominant two sets I’ve ever seen. Never seen someone put so much out of there ass and look so hopeless.
Sadly, this is true. Mac, one of the character with less recovery, no projectiles, no gimmicks other than k.o. puch which dissapears in like 2 fking steve uptilts vs steve, one of the most unbalanced and disgusting pieces of shit we've had in smash since brawl metaknight
Nah Tea 6-0 on cosmos was worse imo
@@noirlavender6409 Metaknight was SO much worse. He could literally disappear forever if he ever got a lead. He was also like 30% of the top level players instead of like 3% for Steve
@@bnsz8704 Infinte Cape Glitch was banned tho
@@user-wm5ot5uj3q exactly they had to ban him from doing something and he was still by far the best.
L4st commentary is so soothing, glad to see Chunky continue to get highlighted in these.
"don't ban steve, make everyone think he's amazing and then beat him with donkey kong." -chunkykong probably
Ddee’s win rate when everyone drops their main and picks up Steve: 📈📈📈
@@xanander4693 true, ddee is sick. I really enjoy that of all characters to destroy Minecraft steve, it's just ivysaur
@@gmwes it’s just ivysaur 👍
Steve Grands made the stream lose over 7K viewers..That's crazy!
No one’s trying to sit there and watch that horse shit.
I heard apparently people left out the venue as soon as Mute was out and it was only Onin and Acola left.
I'm sorry but "...is our 3rd major in just as many weeks" is a bar 🔥
Poor Fatality. He's always close to the top but never quite there. And since everybody kind of expects as much, he doesn't really get talked about much either. Hopefully he can pull out a major one day.
been following the channel for like four months now and I’m finally starting to tell L4st and Comona’s voices apart LOL
9:48 ApolloKage actually got top 8 at Low Tide City 2022, so this was his second major top 8
You could feel the pain in Muteace's eyes 🤣🤣🤣
That clip of grape doing 5 up smashes in a row can't be real xD
Personally watching MuteAce, I think people can and will figure out Steve slowly. This is the current meta but they'll figure it out
3:31 Andromeda: "Last stock to take from me, Hector"
Chunkykong finally getting some mainstream recognition is great, but he is still one of the most underrated players on the planet. He can and most likely will win a major at some point in the near future.
Absolutely not, dk will never win an NA major. Crazy run tho for him.
He is an amazing player, but he will never win a major with Donkey Kong. The character is bad
I definitely believe that he can indeed win a major at some point. People just focuses so much on the character they forget that there are people piloting that character
Win a major? Nah. Place top 8 at a major, however, that is more likely
@@FloetryFox88 There is only so much ChunkyKong can do with DK. Sparg0 is a good player but that doesn't mean Cloud/Pyra/mythra's recovery gets better. Light is an excellent fox player with good tools but his recovery is exploitable. Is it Sparg0 and Lights fault that the characters they pilot have a bad recovery? No. DK is just to limited on what he can do.
people will really say that the steve match-up did onin in despite the fact that he's literally the second bet steve on earth before they admit that acola is cracked
Onin needs to “just learn the matchup😂”
Everyone wants to cry out to ban Steve without admitting that all of these "carried" players are consistently getting high placements at majors. If we were seeing random local players at majors getting carried by Steve I could see the argument but it's the same Steve players every weekend... Wonder why that is.
Exactly
@@anonymousnate678 There were 6...
6 Steves in top 64
:I
Idk what else you want
@@emergencelive6194 The character is very good, doesn't mean he should be banned
16:33 Didn't expect to hear an analysis of Super Smash Brothers South of the Mason Dixon line today
It killed me how Tweek was outplaying riddles so much the first two games
Same. Some of these close ones will go Tweeks way soon tho. Knock on wood. I can feeeeel it
I’m shocked that I made the video 😭 but that’s hype
So cool to see people having success with fighters that are not DLC. Gives hope that someday grands might actually be fun to watch again.
That MuteAce post-match clip is hilarious. What a champ.
i was dying laughing at "hector salamanca"
Chunkykong is the hero we all need
idk why every time you say quandale dingleton without me expecting it i just die
Steve is not broken he is just massively different. He is in a category of his own. He’s not like other DLC characters that fit into a category of zoners, street fighters, sword wackers, etc. Steve has a mechanic and play style that is just different. And top players have flooded to him cause of his uniqueness that makes it hard to match up against him because he requires a neutral game unlike any other character. If I added a new zoner to the game it wouldn’t change much cause you as a player have played against zoners before for years, if I add a sword person same thing. Steve is just new and people are still figuring out the matchup play style. There’s no previous character that you already have practiced against to prepare you for Steve. He’s not broken, he’s just new.
At this rate, MuteAce will become motivated and turn into Vergil.
16:28 Light just won Glitch Regen in late September, beating an international crowd including Kameme. Does Glitch not count?
It's happening
THE SMASH 4 EFFECT
Steve is so sick, The Onin Acola team was some of the best Ultimate of the year, just so fun to watch
I don't particularly hate watching Steve in tournaments but as someone who enjoys the variety and balance of Ultimate I worry that Steve will make it so that previously viable mid and high tiers will slowly vanish. We'll see tho! More data may be needed.
I feel like more and more players have come up with anti-Steve tech and we will potentially see less Steve’s in Grand Finals
I’m joking, that character is broken af
Steve is broken, but top players are already counter playing acola and onin who are both amazing players and are the only ones really carrying Steve
Proud of Acola. But damn did that grands hurt to watch
L4st butchering the Salamanca name gives me pain
On-brand reaction for someone with your username, keep it up 👌
Facts😭😭😭
Man Tweek is getting the exact same bracket luck that IBDW has in Melee. Cody got 9th at LSI losing to Zain and Mango, and his last couple tourneys have had similarly horrible bracket luck.
3:34 🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎
I'm still super unconvinced that Steve needs a ban. Having watched the Brawl Metaknight and Smash 4 Bayo metas Ultimate is still looking 100x healthier.
That being said, I think "well the Steve's were highly seeded and placed as expected" isn't a good argument. If a bunch of the best players are Steve mains that's an issue in and of itself. But we're not seeing other top players really switch to Steve like we did with Bayo in Smash 4. Steve is not obviously the best counter to himself right now.
Let's Make Moves Miami? More like "Let's Make Moves, Steve Army!"
"AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"
Ok honestly I hate the rise of Steve. Someone get him under control.
Someone accidentally put him on Creative Mode, it’s too late 😔.
Fr tho. Steve was honestly fun to watch at first when he first came out bc he was new and not many ppl played him. Now he’s literally everywhere so that magic is gone.
@@xanander4693 So truuuu. He's the new ROB and Wolf. Ugh.
The fact that chunky's 2 best sets were off stream makes me so sad
hearing quandale dingleingleton always catches me off guard
I kind of hope the whole "Steve carries the player, which means the player doesn't deserve their place in the competitive scene" narrative dies off later on, even though it probably won't.
Especially for Onin, who at this tournament we saw him use his previous mains, including one of the few characters that many agree actually beats Steve (Shulk) and got absolutely DEMOLISHED. Onin may be the 2nd best Steve, but he got MASSIVELY player-differenced in Grands
@@Suzaku_Mizutani Shulk doesn't beat Steve
But its true tho
I need one instance of a US Steve getting a PGR win without Steve to convince me that they aren't omega carried like Smash4 Bayos.
Yo what’s the music that plays in the first couple minutes. I’ve heard it before but don’t know the name
It's sorta frustrating that Steve has no hard counter in this game. Kazuya gets decimated by a good Inking or Peach, Sephiroth hates rushdown like Mario and Roy, and Aegis can't deal with people with longer reach than them like Marthcina and Min Min. Steve, however, can't be camped out by a Samus, rushed down by Mario, tempo'd by Byleth, or ToD'd by Kazuya/Ken. He's just a menace with no clear cut weakness like weight, speed, or reach; he can escape juggles with block or dair, make LITERAL WALLS to block projectiles, and his jab is fast enough to negate everything that isn't a literal true combo from the ground
what kazuya is scared of INKLING that character kills at like 3000% 😂
@@lokks2130 Roller beats zap punch, consistently. I've K.O.'d some of the best Kazuyas in my region because of that specific interaction, in addition to Inkling up air beating the falling drop kick.
@@lokks2130 Uhh, yeah? Camp Kazuya. Also Inkling has like the most transcendent normals ever
Steve counters are good players
Of course as soon as I pick up brawler they become ten times as common lol, I thought I was cool. I love seeing people finally getting over the "I don't wanna play the mii fighters" though.
Where is mkleo when you need him?
Taking a break, he'll be back in December.
lets be honest if acola wasn’t caught off guard by the byleth he would have clapped leo
same with onin but he has real byleth experience
@@Simon-hs7ik he had 2 chances at the invitational, not only that it was 3-0 😆.
@@Simon-hs7ik Leo played bad against onin. Leo would have clapped onin too at LSI
@@Simon-hs7ik yeah let’s be honest, Acola got destroyed by Leo and it will probably happen again. Leo has the matchup down and it’s painfully obvious
4 of mute ace’s last 5 sets were Steve….. yea definitely no issue in this game rn
Your kanji really isn't the best when you mistake a hiragana character for a kanji!
Keep up with the awesome videos
DLC characters won 9 of the last 10 majors. Ban the Fighter's Pass characters > Ban Steve
Based. I would gladly sacrifice Badjo
NO SOUND ON GAME 5???
What’s the name of the song that plays in the video
3:33 good to see my boy found a new gaming hobby after retiring from the drug trade
Ned literally won back in blood (256) two weeks ago
At this point, it kinda just feels like a sports radio station but for smash bros
Pro Players: We shouldn't ban Steve unless almost every single guy is playing Steve in tournament
Lets Make Moves: 7 Steve's and 2 are #1 and 2.
Pro Players:
Yeah but it’s literally just those two making it to top 8’s consistently. And it means that the arguably 2nd best player in the world just doesn’t get to represent himself in the US anymore
What point are you making Hayden?
@@f.o.8547 no point. Just an easy meme
Man at least i made it to losers round 3 LMAOOOOO
What took them so long to upload it?
No split VODs until Tuesday set our editing team back a bit (if you've ever worked in Premiere you know how awful dealing with big 8+ hour long video files can be.)
We figured out a workaround in case that happens again in the future, but that was the main reason this time.
Love the thumbnail
Acola is an absolute beast, though man, that Losers finals set was a heart breaker for Mute, I was really rooting for him. But that Grands set was... yeesh. Easily in the top 5 most brutal player destructions in Grands, and that's in contention with some of Leo's destructions (Frostbite 2020 and Colossel come to mind) because... lordie. Onin intentionally SDing 3 times (which, I'll be honest, I get due to the pressure and flagging mental game, I still think him as a TOP level competitor should've had more integrity and respect, but meh) was a rough look.
Makes me look forward to the Panda Cup and SWT, where we can see the meteorically rising Japanese Prince and the reigning World King go up against each other again because at this point, that's gonna be the two tournaments that decide the rankings.
ok but who of these guys has been dippin their toes into the rare meat section? that's what i wanna know
What about only a partial Steve ban? Where you can only win two games with Steve per set? I think that would be fair. IMO
I thought the grand finals was pretty fun to watch.
I like how many trailers for majors have Wario when Gluto is the only player managing to use him at top level !
(Even tho he wasn't on stream once for Ludwig's despite playing some incredible sets)
Everyone was on stream at the Ludwig invitational: there was a secondary stream that had 4 set-up playing simultaneously.
@@l.n.3372 yes but like the commentators could choose who to comment on main stream and they choose 5 or 6 times another game over Gluto's
@@fourniervictor9354
Idk if the commentators picked for every match. They def picked for that top 16 qualifier tho, and yes - they did not pick the Gluto match on that round. But that's more because he was playing against (I think) Shuton, and Europeans are famously bad at the Olimar matchup, so Gluto kinda got destroyed by Shuton.
"Something mean about Steve"
Out of curiosity when is Sparg0s next tournament if anyone knows
coinbox today lmao.
but if you mean offline, it would be Genesis next year, bc he hasn't qualified for Panda Cup or SWT.
I would really like for him to got to the LCQs tho...
He said on stream that he *might* go to Mainstage and the SWT LCQ, although im pretty sure his next confirmed confirmed tournament is Genesis 9
Why are there so many smash ultimate majors, and why are they so close to each other?
re: tweek
I'd be really interested to see what the average win % is for the average tournament player when a set goes to g5- feel like tweeks horrid win % in game 5 will have to normalize to whatever that mean is eventually
i see the pgstats team really likes the sonic mania soundtrack
So happy for mute for winning this tournament
I really thought yall would go in a little bit about that grand finals, it was rougghhhh
HIS BRICKS
ENTHU...
Wait wrong Steve player
mining away I don't know what to mine I'll mine it anyway
In this minecraft world
How come last sounds so depressed?
This proof that onin has no fundies
How come none of the steve mains have decent secondaries? Is it because they're carried?
I feel so bad for players like MuteAce. He has constantly had to fight FP2 characters in a row, in multiple tournaments! Forget character variety I guess. Just Steve and Kazuya.
I relate to MuteAce a ton because for some reason, I end up fighting top 50 world-ranked players second-round on Winners side, in EVERY tournament. If it isn't a top 50 world-ranked player, it's the eventual winner of the tournament. Not only that, I don't get a break. I play these guys IMMEDIATELY after I win. I don't know why I keep getting paired up with top players while everyone else fights non-top players, but you know what? This makes me want to improve even more. If I seriously want to make top 8, I gotta beat these guys; so be it.
Become a top 8 player. It is the only way.
That's just how seeding works, unfortunately. Higher seeds get to play the lower seeds so the best players (in seeding) don't take each other out early on, supposedly. The system simply rewards the better player, so using it as a motivation is valid. Good luck!
@@Cheezmonka I will embrace this truth
8:11 That is not a Kanji!!
9:46 that was way so funny it should be illegal
Onin did not main shulk as far as im aware, he did use to main robin and joker tho, among other characters
I think GnW and ROB were in the list as well
Onin used Shulk in the HBox "Steve main tournament using non Steve characters." I think that's why some people believe he might have main Shulk at some point.
@@l.n.3372 How did he do?
@@willycheez7218 He was last in that tournament
@@mamotalemankoe3775 Lmao of course. Carried
@@willycheez7218 rare Willy Cheez W
The script of this video is really sick, love telling the story as if it's new and being reviewed LIVE 🔥
Steve is ruining the game though....
Stop capping, frfr
Loved this tourney
7:10 "On the first PGRU that took place in spring of 2019." When you say 'that' I have to wonder if there were multiple PGRUs in the spring of 2019. Use 'which', please!
Bruh it's the same thing
@@IDK-bk1fq How? Using 'that' makes it sound like there were multiple PGRUs in *one* season of 2019
@@tb4u646 they can be used interchangeably. Which is more precise but that can be used more often so it's more common
Top 10 Players Right Now in Order:
1. Leo
2. Light
3. Spargo
4. Gluttony
5. Muteace
6. Dabuz
7. Tea
8. Tweek
9. Kola
10. Zomba
Dabus use MEN
I hope ChunkyKong is doing better
Muteace is so cool!
great production as always! love hearing the usual l4st voiceover but I will say, I think l4st could work on his expressiveness a bit more, he sounds a bit flat a lot of the time but it’s enjoyable nonetheless!