Riot Killed ADC
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2024
- The past few months, it’s not been a fun time to be an ADC in League of Legends.
A lot of people feel the ADC role as we’ve known it is either dying or dead - so how did we get here? And will the changes in next week’s patch be the light at the end of the tunnel?
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The issue is the role has no identity, every role has an identity and adc had damage as their role. But the game added damage to every other role so now the tank can oneshot the adc because every other role can build defensive and not have a damage drop off where adc needs to build damage or they don’t do any
Just play a champ that has good lethal scaling and play as a mage!
Now you get artillery mage dmg but unlike them your autos ALSO do a good amount of dmg!
@cosmickitteh this doesn't solve the issue, this just proves their point
@@Musicisbeast321 i feel like hes being sarcastic...
@@cosmickitteh So your solution is that ADC players should start playing mages because the role is so bad?
@@cosmickitteh rip mechanics learned to effectively pilot an adc
The fact that the understanding is the problem is damage in the game is ludicrously high and their response is pump a bunch of damage into crit items says all you need to know about riot balancing.
i mean they can’t do that tho because champs like sett or illaoi late game will just never die. even right now it takes 3 or 4 people to kill them
@supitschillbro thats because bruisers as a whole, but juggernauts to an even higher extreme are riots golden children and get handed everything. Illaoi litteraly out ranges every adc in the game as the "slow melee super beast".
WDYM? Illaois worst matchups are ranged toplaners cause she has shit gapclose, slow and televised animations on q and e and if she doesnt hit e, shes fucked.@@einjharrelraca
@@mardnm123 and if she lands A SINGLE E she auto wins every fight by default regardless of anything the enemy does. its almost like that ability SHOULD be that telegraphed if not more telegraphed.
also nice of you to ignore the point of my comment being that she out ranges all adcs in this game.
@@einjharrelraca Uh, which adcs? I suppose her q outranges anything tristana, vayne and draven have.
Other than that, yes, skill shot spells tend to be longer ranged than auto attacks, so illaoi's spells have more more range than adc auto attacks. Illaoi spells do not outrange adc spells.
You know what's worth than being an ADC? Facing APCs. Waveclear so insane, and the utility that every ADCs dream of
I play at Grandmaster Elo as an adc.
If the enemy bot lane is a duo que and they go tank support and control mage APC I lose 100% of the time.
It has been that way for more than 5 seasons.
@@patrickfrantz9808 funny when you cannot duo past diamond 😂 yet somehow you’re facing duos in GM
@@patrickfrantz9808 sure, if the enemy is a cait you lose the lane 100% of the time as an adc
@@climansd there are on average 2 diamond players per team from what I see. I am also including degenerate win trading duos.
me when im lying to make adcs look weaker than they are 🤡@@patrickfrantz9808
Its even noticeable as a support. Its so much easier to play for mid, jg, and top then try to keep the adc in the game when it doesn't feel like they can even carry.
So glad support is getting nerfed very ez role for the impact it has.
I now see support carrying and out dosing adc in almost every game. In low Elo support don’t even build like support anymore and just build mage this common in champ like Lux,zyra,zhei
@@godz4681 That support item is broken and they get so much free gold.
@@hungerxhunger2548Support is basically the jungler now except no one expects you to clear camps or secure dragon and baron.
@@rareloots That's the issue you can int the ADC or Jungle but if you are able to make a 2v1 happen it will be fine.
Since they don't have to worry about efficiency in their gameplay.
Just be at grubs is the main requirement and ward.
Riot August literally addresses how crit items were made 20% crit chance solely to accommodate mythic items, but Riot still refuses to give ADCs back their 25% crit now that mythics are gone.
Plus yeah the bot lane has actually become the support lane. ADC is there for the ride with barely any control in it without turbo smurfing.
Support is no longer support, it supports nothing. The ADC is what supports for laning phase.
The support is best of roaming mid jgl top so the adc gets dove alone and you don’t die with him and rather get the other roles ahead like the raid boss on toplane. So sad what it has become.
"supports dont support adc, so they are nothing, they dont support anyone" how about the rest of the team? Adc's take your head out of your ass challenge
@@kas8iai agree that this take is a little too strong, but it is pretty frustrating that even in mid diamond my supports still cant realize that roaming when the wave is crashing toward my opponent is a bad idea. I like when my support roams, its better for the team and gets the team ahead and I can just passive farm bot. But it seems like some supports see a skillcapped video saying "you should roam at every grub spawn :D" and just do it every game without taking wave state and game state into account. Ive just completely lost lane because of decisions like this because I got frozen out of waves for 2 minutes straight. Could I have set up a better wave state? Maybe, but sometimes that's not always controllable if the enemy knows what they're doing.
@@kas8ia I think this comes from how league supports play vs supports in dota(and old league). You can still help your carry while helping your team, but in the current state of the game it is better to ignore the role you were supposed to protect and help the rest of the team.
Supports were more impactful then carries in laning phase since the dawn of time, even in Dota. Thats just how the game works - before 1st back or on lower gold, support's ability kit is much more important then attack damage
cant play adc when u cant even press A before getting burst
I have actually been killed so fast by assassins last season that the gray screen said 0.0 for the fight duration.
adc wills always cry
Sounds like a positioning issue
@@lout9231 ye, other roles dont even bother positioning, they always cry "Well, get better at positioning" without even knowing how different adc positioning has to be to even auto attack 5 times.
then I can say the same with my fighters, for example on Lee Sin, I will get burst during mid air Q.
Phreak and his friends changed the meaning of ADC to just AD (additional damage), no carry! They give the carry part to support, where they damage twice as an ADC with just a normal ability! The roll is just shitt now!
Well phreak wouldn't change adc unless he wanted to break the role and spam it to a new peak rank
so true! fire phreak and his friends, bring back good ad items and nerf support role!
I quit this game just because I couldn’t fathom the fact that my role (support) has much more impact most of the time than the adc, we barely played rank but seeing my duo get one shoted or literally out of combat in just a few frames is just sad
Wild supports get essentially 2 full items by the time adc has 1, no wonder carry orientated supports are terrorising
@@zSpec I mean he didn’t nerfed whatever he was spamming the most for four consecutive month and one of them was Maokai! He is a support main, so of course he would make ADC weak so the support gets stronger and can carry the games!
And they won’t solve it because then everyone else bitches. Literally the entire game needs a 25% damage drop across the board. Soraka going a heal build should not be able to deal 1200 damage
meanwhile "bruisers" that just tank everything and don't die even 5v1 gg riot
I think items need slashed, really feels people are picking champs for items more than items for champs
skill issue honetly soraka Q does like 200 damage late game lol
200x35% AP scaling.@@Tiagocf2 not just flat 200 late game lol
@@Tiagocf2 "skill issue". that line is so old now. grow up.
As someone who played ADC for some 10 years, ADC is just straight up unfun to play in soloq in general, it's just extra bad nowadays (even if you duo with supp)
1. Mobility Creep in the games means your range doesnt really matter because enemy Yone can dash on to you two screens away. Heck, even tanks like Ksante can do that. Most ADCs now have to bring Ghost to just catch on.
2. It is way too reliant on the team.
(a)I lose more when I'm 8/0 (or more) ahead because I'm just more or less a walking pot of 1000G in the eyes on enemy solo laners. (innate Level diff and damage creep). At any time if they want to, the difficultie in bursting me is measured by how many flashes they need to commit. In the late game its harder to function when your assassin teammates are still diving in for non existent kills instead of properly peeling (They don't even know what that is or how to do that). My performance doesn't matter in most games, and I win or lose because of top side diff.
(b)If you play solo you are essentially playing autofill support roulette.
This makes ADCs frustrating and unrewarding to play in casual soloq but makes them really OP in pro or high level play.
And that's why I play fun stuff like Camille support. It can be really strong and is also fun because you got agency. Meanwhile as adc you have 3 items after 23 mins because you are turbo fed just to get jumped by enemy top and jgl because your support suddenly peels the feeding mid laner.
out of my past 10 games on adc ive been 4 man dove multiple times in 6 different games. i become so useless when my support roams topside to get grubs and enemy team decides to punish me for it so they come 3/4 man dive me under turret then i get flamed for farming 30 mins into the game instead of fighting bc im down 2 items
i think its kind of telling when ghost became the meta for 99% of adc players, that mobility in the game is out of control.
Also agree with the other points. If you are far ahead as Top, Jungle, Mid, even Supp you are very very hard to kill. If you are 20/0 Jinx, you arent allowed to do any mistake because the enemy assassin/mage/bruiser can jump on you from 700+ range and burst you despite only having 1 single item.
Also the people who say adc dps is highest fail to realise that you dont need that 50 dps more that the adc brings to the table when the mage overkills his targets by 500 damage per combo while not being in danger most of the time. Why do many Mages have higher winrate for a long time on botlane? because they can just do one combo, run away and wait till the combo is up again, they also have way better items (looking at you hourglass, banshees, rabadons). If i play Ad Twitch i know my impact on the game will be reduced to a minimum and my winrate shows that, if i start playing AP twitch i know my impact in the game will be insanely higher and my winrate actually goes from 52% to 65%.
adc is broken in late so you shouldnt have impact in the first 30 min
@@NicitheProLPfound the gold player 👋
they added the new item to give us armor and mr per auto but you cant even get your autos off
Not to mention that it doesnt have crit. Just a massive middle finger to any crit adcs.
Riot should just add back the damage and crit chance of old. Make crit damage 200% and 250% with IE, and then 25% crit chance per item
Yes crit is basically useless, about every adc rather builds lethality or bruiser cause it’s so shit
idk i feel that way too, allthough it would bring crit rengar back but i think i can live with that one if i finally have the highest dps.
@@Twitch-oq3ir then do specific nerfs to champions. Don’t punish a class because of champions outside the class. Same for yasuo, yone, yi, and tryn
@@SirBackPackyasuo is weak af
@@random58585 well he won’t need a nerf then
The issue is that even the "tanks" can one combo an adc now. Easiest fix would to bring crit items back up to 25% so they can hit the 100% crit cap at 4 items, allowing them to be able to add a item for surviving the insane burst that is rampant in the game. Why i tend to stick to ezreal at this point. Cause after the essence reaver, manamune and grudge you can pivot into something like a frozen heart or a kaenic rookery so you dont get deleted cause someone decided to press their 4 buttons while on their screen.
Doesn’t matter, lux combo can do 5k damage late game 😭
I think that the argument that ADCs have to adapt to the meta is kind of undermined by the label Attack Damage Carry. Sure you can go an APC in the bot lane and that’s fine it’s just in general ADC doesn’t have the flexibility of a role like jungle or top where you can go a tank, or carry, or apc, or even and adc.
exactly, like they are all designed to be played in botlane, none of them besides vayne top or twitch jg have ever seen a different lane. To adapt to apc's is stupid bc its stripping the entire role of its identity, its like telling top laners to play ranged top, they all despise it and wont ever pick it. Same case for mage bot laners who sit back clear waves and dont interact.
@@clarence3238Lucain and trist mid? Kalista top? Jsut to name a few
@@psychokuca302 kalista top isnt seen in pro and lucian mid lost its place when they came with his passive nerfs which required an enchanter to maximize dmg, but trist mid yea just didnt think of it.
@@clarence3238It was exacples of adc outside of their role,taht came to mind noit really thinking about it, and im pretty sure you can find more adc on other roles being succesful if you look for it. (Like aphelios jngl,which isnt popular,but actually pretty succesful thing)
@@clarence3238to be fair, robbing ADCs of their identity is not that hard.
As guma said "adc's are just like egg in a ramen" it doesn't have any purpose.
I remember this, he also mentioned that he played a custom game with LCK CL players and he couldn't carry the game because top and mid simply had more agency(despite guma being one of the best ADs). ADC is like an egg on a ramen, the egg alone is not good, but when the ramen is good the egg makes it better.
Then guma is wrong because the egg is essential to good ramen.
@@reggaemarley4617 no its not, you can literally still have good ramen without egg. top would be broth, mid noodle and support would be the meat which is more essential than the egg
@@reggaemarley4617 if you look at ramen history. There's originally no egg if i remember correctly. Someone just put it thinking that it might make ramen better. Which it would if your ramen is great.
nah egg in ramen slaps, makes it taste better and is healthier because more protein
notice how all the people crying about ad crying is legit the jg role
one thing people forget is that yone and yasuo will highly benefit from the IE buffs and will be really overkill
Thats why they need to add a melee/range differentiate. Just how they make with other items nerfing them for range since they could use it better while still maintaining its normal strength for melee users
@@jokerfever2590 You could only make them 80% effective.
They did it to other champs already so why not them.
@@hungerxhunger2548 ??? What you talking about
@@jokerfever2590He agreed with you. Make it only 80% effective when IE is built on melee. His words were just super confusing 😂.
@@duongthanhtung492 Or they can tone down the 250% crit chance passives.
I feel like something that is unmentioned in this is ap champs take turrets crazy fast at least faster than normal. Another thing i feel needs to be mentioned is the new support item. The old ones gave a risk reward of having to choose whether you poke more or take minions more necessitating pne or the other when the new one it doesnt matter
Yes it was better. You chose a playstyle and played with rather open cards not just „i get my gold anyways, if I can’t manage to poke I can kasteites creeps or gain it passively anyways“. The damage is also too much.
idk if you've ever played mage in your life but unless you're veigar lategame or a mage that opts into attack speed like nashors, marksmen will take down turrets 2-4 times faster than any mage.
Main issue with the Marksman class is that it's the only class in the game that fundamentally cannot function without a team.
I used to praise Riot for putting different types of scaling on some marksmen, but I feel like it's time to just force crit scaling on all of them who remotely use the stat, and nerf the other stats accordingly.
Not only that, items only giving 20% crit is a joke, it has to be buffed to 25% to somewhat catch up with the insane snowballing of other roles.
Not only will they scale faster to their reliable dps, it allows the class to buy 1 flex item depending on the game.
Crit items have legit been an unoptimal choice ever since they gutted them all those seasons ago.
Fair points, I do especially agree that 20 percent crit per item is just painful. Although if they do that they better nerf Yas/Yone passive.
While I do agree that the 20% crit feels shit to play, it's also unreal to say that the current crit items are weaker than the previous seasons when they are probably the most powerful they have ever been. Most crit items back then don't even have AD scalings and only have crit and atk spd, and sustain items like Bloodthirst don't even have crit so truthfully speaking the "flex" item you're talking about will 80% always be reserved for BT.
The biggest problem with crit is I build it as a marksman and can't kill tanks once they build armor.
Meanwhile, the Yone with the same item Es over Baron pit, kills me from a screen away with cc stacking, and Ws to get all his HP on my teammates trying to save me.
@@Ridlay_ they don't need a nerf. They already get 100% crit from 2 crit items. more than 100% crit would be stupid
Tbh, i feel bad for adc these days, they only have one job which is to deal lots if damage and carry the game. Back then they were the only ones dealing damage for the whole team, but now, every single lane and role can deal damage making the role feel kinda redundant and most of all keeps giving players who play adc high expectations and pressure to carry the game as a whole.
A buff to adc items won't stop adc from getting one-shoted.
agreed. they should nerf marksmens damage, preferrably by giving them some form of downtime or avoidable damage in their kit. only then could they justify buffing marksmens durability, because then they would have other forms of counterplay. Currently, the only counterplay to marksmen is to oneshot them before they get their dmg out.
So...this is just Yone Yasuo buffs. nice. Can't fool me rito still not going to start playing that game again.
They get compensation buffs when the items get nerfed but compensation nerfs? Naaaah
Then don't bro, who's forcing you. Riot will not miss you 😂
@@stann4730Riots got you by the balls, huh? How many paychecks have you spent on ANOTHER Lux skin? How much quality family time did you miss feeding?
Why this buffs isn't "ranged only"?
So Yone GP Tryn can abuse it as well, obviously
Lost to a J4 adc and immediately knew this role was dead
at that point you're just gapped mate
@@gravestomper4359he didn’t say he was the adc mate
@@gravestomper4359 if you think about it, post 6, you're fucked out of luck vs j4 bott, he goes the standart bruiser runes (conq etc + second wind and shield bask), dshield and you're literally on a timer till 6 before you start getting fucked on his R cd, literally nothing you can do, unless you locked in a dash adc, which most of those aren't good, this shit would probably work really well with a senna support
@@SirBackPack who gives a shit? you think you're being smart with that comment lol?
@@gravestomper4359 no I’m just reading the comment. Something you seem to struggle to do. So maybe to you I’m being smart but to me I’m just being a functioning adult
I think it's incredible this game hasn't died yet
Monthly user stats are still identical to 2019
People have been saying the game has been dead since 2014
problem is there is no other game like it except dota, and we have already sunk so many hours and money into this shit game no one will jump ship
@@justmazen3168 sunk cost fallacy, the money is already spent and in riots pocket so they can fart on women.
@@justmazen3168na people are just addicted and they refuse to acknowledge it and they actually think its "cool" to be addicted to such a bad game
while some of those fixes are for sure welcomed, the issue still ends up being that you rarely have enough time to fucking even "use" the value of those items because you die faster than you can blink. Obviously, I'm not saying every game adc is just unplayable, But when it IS unplayable, its quite literally unplayable, not just a rough time.
You also don’t really feel any impact. You are at your Supps mercy and everyone else’s really.
The problem with ADC is that they are designed to be at their strongest at 3rd item, but other roles can reach those at 1st or 2nd item.
"Supports are broken"
The supports : Damage dealers that can one shot because riot intended them to not be supports
Senna and Pyke come to mind, I'm sure there's more though
So I went from being a OTP ADC to playing Shen Top cause I just felt like shit every time I played the game and now I just chill farm, save the ADC and push for an auto win.
As a Diamond ADC main on two accounts, i really fvcking hate playing as an ADC rn.. Last season was hard enough to play as an ADC because a bruiser or a tank can just literally walk in your front line and not give a fvck about them and still can kill u with ease even if they are behind(on Exp, gold, even items) because u are squishy AF.. now with the new season especially with the lethality buffs and mage items and don't get me started to new tank items and nerf kraken and lord dominiks omg.. sometimes i think to myself does someone at riot plays their game? Especially as an ADC? So why are they not giving a single fvck about helping us ADC mains.. at this point even a Xerarh support with just 1 item can literally 1 shot you even he is so far behind.. that's how squshy u are.. Even the support deals more damage than the fed ADC..
I can't stand enchanters this season especially compared to last.
Without moonstones mythic buff all the enchanters feel gutted.
We lost 28% heal and shield power that's fucking MASSIVE.
No one else on ANY other role lost anywhere near 28% of what they specifically do and that indirectly nerfs hyper carry adc's like zeri, aphel, jinx, twitch, vayne etc.
most if not all of the other roles including the other support roles got buffs and items while enchanters are STILL relegated to 6 items, thats all we get.
@@cosmickittehSupport as a role is op but the xp nerf plus the item nerf along with the ease to gank bot lane makes ADC very weak.
@@hungerxhunger2548 People have this misconception that ALL supports are OP. No they aren't. Only specific supports that specialize at dealing damage (minus Pyke) are OP. Enchanters are one tip below them, and tank supports are the worst.
The main problem with supports are that they turned into secondary junglers with how much roam power they have and how much damage they can dish out.
@@arionell that's why people hate supports though, because they're a secondary jungler, you aren't even meant to babysit the adc anymore, you fuck around in lane until 6, then you only return when the wave is bouncing back to him, to make sure he doesn't get dove, help him push out and fuсk оff again until he returns to lane to catch the wave under tower (if the player is playing a mage, you don't even need to go back to help with catching waves xd), the adc role is completely irrelevant, while you don't really fall that behind on xp, so you can impact the important roles (mid and top)
@@arionellI'd argue all roaming supports (almost all cc chain supports) are fine, since they have incredible agency. Enchanters suck balls right now since they're buffing the adc who dies anyway. Poke supports like xerath and senna are absurd because their sup item gives them what is close to a free complete item for damage.
You know situation has escalated when a Top lane Sion OTP says adc is crap.
i’ve played traditional adc since 2016, it’s been hell since 2021
It’s not even fun facing adcs cause they are mostly forced to go lethality. Nitro mention apcs and all the other abominations you see down there. Damn Garen botlane was sure fun to face. Good job riot games.
completely agree, it's been rough for us traditional ad mains for real..@@leonsixt2744
will you believe if I told you it only went downhill ever SINCE 2016
@@myster1ousdemon yes
pro adc picks are more ability focus than aa (crit)
Turns out when you can't stop tinkering with items that really effects roles! Who would have f____ng guessed?!
i think the real problem is it's hard to balance the role that functions off of ranged damage that cannot miss. if they're strong, it will feel like the game is out of your hands when a fed one right clicks your team from miles away. i mean, even a full build zed 5 levels ahead still relies on skillshots, and you live if he misses them. but conversely, if they're weak, they feel unplayable as they do now. i think what ADC needs is a rework as a whole, but with so many champions such a costly feat will be difficult for a small indie company without at least 200 years of experience such as riot
And not to mention, they don't need mana to do damage
No not really. You say if the Zed misses but if he hits the adc is dead. That’s their big counter: they are squishy. They are damage Carrie’s so they are supposed to deal the most ad damage and as trade off they are very squishy. When they are strong in terms of damage they still won’t ever really be too over powered when riot does not make them tanky like once in the past cause you can kill them if they misposition or you manage to catch em. But I agree for other roles and specific champions with the point and click stuff. Like a Vi ult or a Garen ult.
dingdingding, finally found someone who understands the whole issue with the role. Not only is it unavoidable and ranged, it also have NO downtime. As soon as the vayne is rightclicking you, she's doing 1.5k dps, ramping up to 2k+ after roughly 2-3 seconds, but this insane level of damage is usually enough to kill some mages before they are even through with cast times, or before their straight line skillshot reaches the target.
Adc sucks because Phreak shifted to support 😔
Last year Kai'sa had like 53% winrate and now that phreak stopped playing her and picked up maokai he is with 53% winrate too lmao
@@Tiagocf2normally I don’t buy into conspiracy theories but get me the tin foil I’m in
so TRUE adc is dead since 13.10
past few months? its been a nightmare forever
someone i argued with on another vid brought up what i am begrudgingly calling a good point, which is that ranked lol is vastly different from competitive lol. for starts comp has pauses voice comms and probs one or two other things im forgetting. so with that in mind riot has three options and they are gonna go with the third.
the first is make ranked more like comp and implement things like pauses and voice comms which they have shown they can do with valorant. these are features that people have been begging for for years at this point.
the second thing they can do is fully divest ranked and comp from each other and balance them differently. the lanes play completely differently in each so may as well balance the game overall differently.
the third thing they can is is just say screw it and do nothing and keep on chugging like they have.
look all I'm trying to say is, is ranked supposed to be like competitive, or is it its own sperate beast? because if its supposed to be like competitive, then it needs voice comms minimum, otherwise what's the point? And if its own separate beast, then it should be balanced differently because a full 1/5 of every game on normal league not even just ranked is not having fun they are not doing anything and its is far too easy to shut them down at any point
Counter strike did something similar with adding in pauses via a team vote. Riot has half-assed added voice comms a few years ago but it’s only for pre-mades. Maybe they aren’t adding it in full because they don’t want the extra effort of having to police voice comms but that’s a weak excuse
People saying that ADC mains are crybabies for not "adapting" is confusing to me, because it's an attack damage carry for a reason. I have seen lethality assassins and AP characters in the bot lane, sure. But marksman is built for the role. Not only are they the perfect class to supply the carry level of AD output. but their kits are suited well for being able to sustain themselves in a 2 person lane, as opposed to, say, an assassin who can't engage because going in on two people is suicide, especially with how much damage and engage supports have become prevalent.
learn how to play apc's then. funny because smolder is beyond busted. marksmen had to be nerfed in top lane because they were completely dominating. its not the champs or the role. its you.
every role has to adjust and learn new types of classes. the role isnt broken. its you guys refusing to evolve.
@@eddyray-yb6igFunny how you say that, because marksmen on toplane is a menace purely because they get more xp and range to harass their melee opponent in the early game. Marksmen toplane is purely a lanebully that has better scaling, but extremely easy to shutdown. Just gank lmao. With just a wave behind and enemy buying plated steelcaps, the marksman toplane absolutely crumbles, unless you're against tanks, but even then you fall off HARD. "Learn new types of classes", idk if you understand, but marksmen scale with items while other laners scale half and half with items and exp. Which means any other class in botlane would absolutely suffer without sufficient exp to deal damage. They'd be more of a marksman that doesnt nearly deal enough single target damage that also doesnt scale as well
@@eddyray-yb6ig also smolder is a new champion, all new champions are busted at the start. And they're actually gutting him. Smolder would probably fall into "never pick category" after the nerfs launch.
@@Anonymous-td9fl so go play toplane.
ADC? You mean the support's ghoul?
kek
They always have been trying to kill them since season 3. I don't see how this is so newsworthy right now. The devs genuinely stated "we don't like how one role deals damage by just auto attacks" and rolled out the patches for season 8, but guess what? Part of the community enjoys exactly that.
I've stopped playing after seeing tanks oneshotting me without building damage items.
They will for sure apply a bandaid fix and then two patches later they'll nerf the living f out of the role again. Always been like that and I've stopped buying their lies.
Nothing is more unfun than when tanks are meta.
@@leonsixt2744 yeah and riot seems to disagree, even though kiting and being on a thin line between life and death because anyone could flash combo you out of the next bush is so much more engaging to watch and play.
i mean, it's true though. having this amount of unavoidable ranged dps calls for the champions being extremely squishy since that would be their only form of counterplay. Hopefully we'll see riot make actual changes to this pissrole, by either giving marksmen some form of downtime, or some form of avoidable outputs to give people counterplay outside of just oneshotting them.
Meanwhile Dota: YATORO YATORO YATORO
I love how ADs are actual carries in that game
Stuff like BKB helps.
@@argumentumadhominem3977specifically the fact that carries are allowed to build what are effectively bruiser items and still deal really good damage
Building full damage in Dota is just troll
The item nerf is a bandaid, ADC items can never be too good since tanks/assassin can abuse them. Kit or durability need to be looked at imo
The real 'problem' is that ADC is the most team reliant role, obviously it has to be otherwise it would be hilariously broken. Then there's most assassins having jumps/dashes untargetablity or can otherwise move so fast that you can't easily fight back against them
Facts. The role is literally designed to be team reliant and a win condition. Unfortunately, you cant play the game when you get insta one shot by 90% of the game and then the rest of the roles just tell you to cry about it and get better.
Solo lanes and/or jungle feeds the assassin and then wonders why their ADC is useless...
Feel like I've found the adc mains 🤣
Make their auto attacks cost mana so they have a reason to back.
I think a REALLY big reason that ADCs are so good that's glossed over is that they have resourceless damage. Auto attacks don't cost anything and you can use them as much as you want. They never have a cool down longer than 2 seconds (with some outliers), and can't be silenced.
Fun Fact: If you didn't know, every single marksman has a mana bar, including Nilah (which still feels a bit weird). And good thing they have this weakness that can't be overcome with one singular item, otherwise they'd be bonkers to deal with. Because they actually have two.
@@BlackTecno2 no adc does damage without using mana, literally the only class that uses PoM is the adc role, no other role needs it, kaisa is ability reliant, xayah is ability reliant, jinx, sivir is, draven is, varus is, jhin is, literally every adc does a majority of their damage through abilities/steroids (jinx q, draven q/w, sivir q/w, etc.) , only a few (mainly hypercarries like twitch and kog) don't really use that many abilities, but you can argue that they still oom after 2 rotations of their spels trying to peel for themselves, so that's a moot point as well, overall, your point is dogshit trash, stay on reddit and avoid commenting when otuside of it
BACK IN MY DAY, adc being ad CARRY meant your team actually plays around you. gives you resources, protects you, plays around your item spikes. NOW, no one gives a fuck about adc since new runes (yes, the ones that came to replace runes+masteries) and for some reason, cancer broken free damage items for every single role, just give anyone the ability to carry with their own damage. While adc still being completely reliant on their team.
ADC mains are just crying babys, when they all get the buff they so desire, where will that leave the rest of us when our items and our champs get inevitably nerfed as a consequence of their buff.
Everytime we bring up the "pro-play vs pubs" dilemma it all boils down to 1 thing, communication. Riot please give us voice comms. It won't be apparent the first few months but it will show results after people are over the honeymoon phase.
im adc and jungler, and i agree that u shouldnt only play marksman champs in bot, just play seraphine, karma, cassio. 15 million times more useful, you need to offer utility in this game, lot of marksman dont do that
This is just an excuse for how they fawked up ADC Rolle in this season! Why nerf ADC to the ground and give their powers to every other roll in the game? They said nerfing items aren’t enough so let’s nerf their runes too!
@@Cutton_Candy76 Y'all know they stopped calling it the ADC role to Marksman like 10 years ago right? They said ages ago they were going to add more flexibility to the bot lane
TRUE
ADC is dead. Ruler hard carrying JDG for 2years straight.
Blud, that was when ADC wasn't nerfed to the ground!
Great and now name a time he "carried" in 2024 where he had more than 4 kills
we average bozos are all as skilled as ruler indeed, and we play with a full stacked team !
@@rxptr1 Buddy JDG's only win plan before subbing Flandre out was Ruler. Literally ask anyone who watches LPL. Yagao is not in his full form, and Kanavi dies trying to cover for the massive hole that is Flandre.
@@rxptr1 Yagao on interview "I play Karma to put E on Ruler and we win"
thank u for making this video… i’m a ADC main, and sometimes i feel like it could actually drive me insane. i get a adrenaline rush knowing the entire team is hunting for me. most the time as a ADC the main goal is just trying to survive🤣 but it’s all worth it when you get the highlight reel pentakills
this is exactly why i stopped playing as much as i did, my favourite role is no longer about scaling and playing a marksmen, but more about just not letting enemy team push while your support wins the game by roaming
Some champions that wasn’t a one shot KO assassin last season is now this season. Just look at Wukong with Profane hydra and trinity, just EQR combo into profane hydra active and an ADC is dead.
funny thing is last RG i was playing ...
it's a Katarina Yuumi bot, our botlane was Jhin Senna, they were sat on by the JG until our Senna went to fcking roam mid and top
and we basically win the game by having the support just roam other lanes making a 2 man gank on top and mid
I do agree that because there's no good coordination in League, it's a bit hsrder for ADCs to play since their other roles are meant to protect them as well.
Yeah I just played a game against Swain and Thresh on Bot... imagine how tilted I was from the constant poke and CC
how tf did you get poked by swain and thresh?
swains q is hella short and his w is super slow that you can just walk out of it lmao
I feel like I'm okay reducing my damage some if I could not die so fast. Make me sturdier and sure take a bit of my damage away. It's just frustrating when you're newer to the game and wanna play and figure it out. You enjoy champs that sit in the ADC role and when you try them out you get 3/4/5-man dived and then you're useless after 5-10 min of gameplay lol.
I would trade 99% of my damage for 2 seconds of life when I get jumped by literally anyone in the game.
I love how deep this game has gotten lol
switched to mid lane Nafari and Jg master yi finally hit Diamond 2 after the switch its so much easier and more importnatly more FUN
Anything is more fun then adc. If you want a walk in the park play toplane and abuse meta there.
i wonder if we went back to 25 percent crit if itd be way easier
The ADC role is so scuffed that in low elo, players pick support in bot lane more than half the time simply because it's safer to outscale your own adc than believe they'll scale for late game. Also, because the enemy will target you 9 out of 10 fights, even if you're behind. The only ADCs that are viable for the average player are those that have easy unique stats that make them "easier" to play with: Caitlyn Range, Lucian E-AA-Reset, Ashe Slow. Even then, literally any other role can kill them later in two to five seconds. I always recall that one play where Nautilus 1v1s the enemy Varus, and wins. Enemy support Naut like... dude.
I miss these like 5min teamfights
Yeah everyone just dies instantly and in one combo or less except tanks.
i have an idea that can make fix most problems with league, all riot has to do is creat a role for example : top recieves 10% less damage when being attacked by 2 or more champs, mid gets +2 gold per minion, adc deals 10% more damage to enemies with higher hp and/or level, support gets bonus gold on assissts not from, jg gets additional damage to objectives. i think this will benefit every role and make them focus on diffrent stuff top will be more tanky and may survive some ganks, adcs will deal more damage, supporst will no longer just buy an item and get same gold as adc they will have to make sure they get alot of assissts jgs will focus on objectives, mid will have a bit more gold by farming than other lanes wich will make them want to cs more
honestly the issue isn't lethality items themselves, it's lethality itself that got buffed. during the assassin update they changed armor pen to lethality which wasn't a 1-1 stat in terms of how much armor it ignored. season 14 however changed that as lethality now is a 1-1 stat meaning that for every 1 lethality, you ignore 1 armor. if you have 5 or even 6 lethality items by level 18 (assuming all 5 gives 18 lethality, total of 90) adding on serylda's grudge which gives 15 giving for a total of 105 armor pen and 31% armor pen from serylda's passive, even an adc at level 18, with the max level 18 armor of any adc being kalista at 112 and caitlyn being the second highest at 107. ANY assassin at full build is GUARANTEED to be dealing true damage to any adc dumb enough to be playing adc in the first place which literally means that the "durability update" never even happened now.
I feel like if was treated more like position one (from DOTA2) we would see more creativity and a better understanding that ADC should be named Carry because if supports are so good they can enable anyone, why not enable something good in the patch (mage, Yasuo, ect.) and not force a marksman
This is how the position is played in high elo. The best bot laners are never marksmen. Havent been for years.
There is a role for the ADC, and it is to be carried.
Back when I first started league, early to mid game, top jungle and mid were the highlights but late game was working around our adc.
Nowawadays it's mid/jungle/top.
I think the only ADC I've ever had much success with is Ashe, I imagine Varus would probably be fine too - mostly just been sticking to Kraken - Sterak's, and then only bruiser/tank items
Its just like in season 11 when all adcs had to build eclipse because lethality was extremely broken and adc items did barely anything, the only benefiting from new adc items are always melee carrys like yasuo, yone and tryndamere
I've been telling my buddies this exact same thing! I had no clue everyone else has been saying this. I only noticed how bad ADC has been for the past like 6 months.
Honestly, when I do get a good game, it is more satisfying to secure team fights
Though, I've developed the habit of gamking mid between level 5 and 8 if I have wave priority. Can't do much else early anyway lol
Also so many champs can compete with the dmg that don't get 1 shot
"if theryre not focused down"
As an adc main I would like an extra health pot for starting lane. Solo exp nerf. And better 2 item power spikes. That would help there lane and mid game a lot
Crit got a serious problem i would say the relative power lvl compared to the rest of the game shifted. One frozen heart on some bruiser champ you dont participate at the game until you got 4items.
I just started the video, but Again ?! I have distancing myself from the game in the last month, but las time i see the role die was when they changed Infinity edge, and reckless asked to be benched
The biggest issue adc has "copy paste builds". I geniunely just win by itemizing against the most fed enemy threat. "Voli/ornn face tanking your team", botrk third/ldr forth items. "Kata stacking mejai on my mid", maw/wits end, maybe even merc threads if she stacked it fully. And every single game I played, never once did I see any of these items on the enemy adc. They have u-gg, poro or a gimmick youtuber/tiktoker tell them "stormrazor, as boots, infinity, rapidfire, guardian angel" and they will tunnel that build no matter what.
Then why dont you try playing the adc role yourself? See if you have the flexibility as a crit adc to build anything other than crit.
didn't know Freddy Dredd played league of legends
Dunno if this suggestion is stupid but they could apply something to roles kinda how smite does with items. As in, restrict certain items to only be build by certain roles or characters that fit those roles, so that if you buff lets say a crit item meant for ranged attackers you don't immediately make every single goddamn Assassin better by proxy. But then people would complain that its too restrictive or boring like last season's itemization with Mythics, so its always a lose lose situation.
As a mid player i really like the state of adc (biased, obviously). Now I can actually choose to either play for bot or top depending on which side is winning, and either one can take over the game. Before it was just a matter of which adc got fed, and the team of the fed adc very often won. The game just feels a lot more fun without one role being decisively more important than others in terms of winning.
Why no one has mentioned the fact that all abilities slows nowadays are basically a freaking stun, you got poked by any kind of slow and it seems that they stunned you. It really sucks. And now even items have things like 99% mobility reduction on hit
Well you should prob make a video about Smolder which the opiest champ we have seen in pro scene for a while, perhaps ever
Quit the game in the past because adc felt like shit to play, decided to download it again in order to play with a friend, was happy to see they modified the botlane walls so you can get fucked even harder. I see nothing has changed
10 years of playing Ezreal. 3k games. It's been pretty tough lately. If support is not at least 7/10, I am screwed nowadays. Can no longer kite with good positioning and E. Almost everyone can one-shot me almost in the time of their CC. Even tanks like Shen, Malph, Ornn, K'Sante, Mundo, and Sion, when they get 3 items. With a meta build, if I see Talon, Zed, Rengar, or Nafiri on my screen, in the range of my Q, it means I am in danger or about to die. Add Fizz, Akali, Yasuo, and Yone to the list. Lethality and AP items are so strong, that Lethality Senna, Jhin, Caitlyn, Draven, Miss Fortune, and Varus are some of the most-played champions on the bot lane. Add AP Twitch and Kai'Sa to the list. For the past 30 matches, I've been building my Ezreal similar to OG Blue Ezreal build: Muramana > Boots of Lucidity > Iceborn > Maw > Shojin > Blackclevear and I play it like a Ziggs without a wave clear. That makes me tanky enough to shift enemies' priority from me to our mid laner, which gives me enough time to shred armor and dish out some decent damage while helping my team to kite/chase. When I am fed I will be the highest damage dealer in my team in 4/10 matches. When the match goes without hard spikes in gold difference, I end up with the same damage dealt as a 2nd player in my team or 3rd/4th player in the match. The situation with some items + rune combinations is so bad, that I play Lee Sin support for fun in Normals, and I outperform enemy ADCs in 7/10 matches with 70% of their gold, just because of how gold efficient are Season 14 bruiser items. And I am a pretty bad Lee Sin. All I can do is a basic inSec with a ward/Flash. 0/3/0 support Brand with one item and boots brings more into a team fight around objectives than my 3/0/0 Ezreal if I don't play it on a level so high, that it can't be performed consistently. My humble opinion is that ADC as a role only exists in a pro-play and 5 vs 5 matches, where your team plays for you, which happens in 1/30 SoloQ matches. Ask any SoloQ ADC main, we can go weeks without a decent, fun match.
Actually having two mage sup makes the bot lane less stressful. They can get all the minions in the lane with a single ability. There is no need for a ad to dodge attack and auto attack minion simultaneously. Support are now destroying ad in terms of early game impact, control, gold distribution, etc..
Ngl i have had a pretty decent time as adc but yeah being skewered around proplay still sucks for soloqueue as a adc player
adc has been a dead role for longer then it was alive the moment they started balancing the game to be played around a mid lane carry was the moment adc died because there just became less and less reason to actually play around the role in any way when you just always got more out of playing around another role
For me it died when other picks where just better in botlane. There was 1 time where adcs where a little annoying and that was when they where too tanky. That was one time now many years ago. never another time was it ever had to play against adc „meta“ is the most fun to have in the game and tank meta is the most unfun by far.
@@leonsixt2744 are you talking about when Immortal Shieldbow was good? you mean the one time the role wasnt hard countered by mid lane and that only lasted like half a season at best
4:05 i mean you can also make the argument that LCS still can employ people and still gets spots at worlds but we know that doesn't mean anything
Played adc for like 10 years and holy shit games have never felt so hard to close out even though Im 1v9ing
ADCs used to be the main damage dealer for a team to be able to destroy towers fast. Then other roles slowly receives more n more tools to damage towers, and some can even 2 shot towers, something even an ADC cant do.
Idk why they don’t buff crit to how it used to be and just make it more efficient for range champs so there isn’t crit ranger or anything from the buffs
What I think Riot should have done is simply increase the crit chance per item to 25% so you can cap out at 4 items making it a quicker to scale too. You get an item slot for GA or another defensive item, so you don't get 1 shot. This has no effect on Yasuo or Yone since they cap out at 2 crit items anyway.
I think the role of crit adc is just outdated in modern league of legends. Crit adc was designed to be the main carry of the team, and the entire team plays around it. That worked in early season when adc was broken and no other role had true carry potential. Back then everybody had to play for the adc, as it was basically the only win condition. But now ever role can carry and so players have no incentive anymore to play for their adc. Why pick a supportive champ or a tank and play for your adc in soloqueue (where you have no idea whether your adc is good) when you can pick another champ and carry yourselves. But crit adc are useless without a team that plays for them. So the only thing riot can do is either buff crit adc so much that it becomes strong in soloqueue again, which would make the role completely broken in pro play (adc is not weak at all, it is just a useless role if the team doesn't play around it), or turn the game back by 10 years and force everybody to play around their adc. Obviously riot is not gonna do either.
It's been like this since Season 9 what's even new
ADCs aren't that bad.
They are mages that right click. A one man clean up crew who needs no cd's just right click.
Fellow adcs are always complaining but this is the first time in my 14 years of League I literally feel handicapped playing the role. It's not AS bad as people are crying out for, I mean it was worse to be a support player back in the earlier seasons where you were just gathering scraps to afford your wards and if you were feeling fancy, you might even be able to purchase the pink ones! But it's definitely not in a healthy place right now.
Switched to playing Seraphine APC last season because ADC just feels so bad to play.
I’ve hit Challenger in Previous seasons and played the game since season 4 on n off, an honestly bot lane is the problem. ADC’s are fine in a vacuum in Mid or Top. Especially with the added variety of champions, an roaming nature of the game.
Where as bot lane if you’re on weak side you’re in just a disadvantaged state the whole game. An Adc unless if it’s a non committal or ramping champ like smolder or senna etc, you feel like your impact is crap when the whole team roams. Gets stronger while you must stay there to farm, an your impact will still be crap cause you can’t even carry late game. Cause unless you’re a scaler your advantage is from denying the other lane opponent.
Add global ultimates an semi globals, than the crit nerfs, an you see you’ll fall off fast. Unless you play perfect or pick perfect.
That being said ADC has been in the forefront of team focus for years, an dictated the pace of the game that, riot is a game that ebbs an flows, this might just not be the time for ADCs
The problem i never see addressed is the mental load on the ADC because all of these. Like the overall dmg in the game increased, while most traditional adc-s doesn't have self peel to escape from it, they are paper, and they are the main target. You have a random variable with your support, then you have a random variable with your team, and if your support is bad, laning will be a misery, if your team doesn't peel, team fights will be a misery as well. The perfect example of balance around pro play, where adc get a little funneling and the team also peels, so its still carry, while in lower elos the best adc-s are not even adc s.
They just need to tune down dmg by 10-20% make tank bust items better in killing tank to keep tanks in check and gg game fixed.
ha then trisana lucian mid happens together with vayne kalista top no thanks adc role needs to be kept weak till late game. nobody is having fun when adc is meta except main character syndrome adc players.
@@jenokrivanszki7762 Ofc, kept weak until late game. Tune down the early game potential of adc's wouldl be best.
sure bro i dare you to blind pick one of those brokens TANKS top lane
@@Tiagocf2 mate did u even read what u wrote if u tune down dmg by 20% tanks will be very strong or atleast very tanky again and I don't know if the tank busting items do enough bcs u don't need them atm since dmg is so inflated.
@@Tiagocf2 "oh no i locked in the most broken role in teh game, but i can't mindlessly clear waves, instead i have to manage waves and stay under tower, oh the humanity, weak role REE" redittors are allowed to continue thieving oxygen, but that oxygen obviously doesn't reach their brains
Just wait when the patch drops and it will be broken af not from the adc perspective but from somewhere else.
Smolder is going to go crazy
Now you see so many ADC's on top lane they have moved to top and whats worse they've taken over being at the top and staying there consistently