The Ultra-Rare SLR McLaren You've Never Heard Of

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  • Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
  • With huge thanks to Collecting Cars, I get the chance to check out an insanely rare version of the iconic Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren... 1 of just 25 McLaren Editions.
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    This Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Edition Roadster is an exceptionally rare open-top supercar, boasting a completely unique specification, and remarkably low mileage. It has been cherished by just one private owner from new. Under the bonnet is a 5.4-litre supercharged V8, coupled to a five-speed automatic transmission with Touchshift control.
    It is understood that just 25 examples of the SLR McLaren were converted by MSO to ‘Edition’ specification, and only six of those are believed to have been the Roadster model. Alongside the obvious aerodynamic bodywork modifications, eye-catching side-exhaust exhausts and revised interior, McLaren Special Operations (MSO) also fitted upgraded suspension, applied a custom engine tune, and modified the steering setup. This original UK-market car was originally delivered in Crystal Laurite Silver paintwork, with ‘Silver Arrow 300 SL’ red leather, and was handed over to its owner in September 2007 at the SLR Centre of Excellence at Mercedes-Benz Brooklands.
    The car returned to McLaren in January 2009, when an agreement was signed to convert the car to the latest ‘McLaren Edition’ specification. This included a full repaint in Alabaster White, red enamel badges on both sides and the boot lid, red ‘tick’ wheel centres, the 722 Edition aerodynamic package, 722 tinted lights, and the 722S model alloy wheels. Inside, raised seat fronts were installed, a bespoke ‘McLaren Edition’ badge was applied to the radio cover, and carbon kick plates were fitted. Finally, a louder sports exhaust was installed, and the revised suspension settings were also requested.
    In 2010, further upgrades were installed by MSO, which included the front wheel arch vents, carbon-fibre door mirrors, and repainted brake callipers in a vibrant red hue. The seats were re-trimmed to McLaren’s latest specifications, and a carbon-fibre steering wheel was also fitted. In total, the ‘McLaren Edition’ conversion works to this car came to £106,831. More recently, the car has been repainted once again, this time to lustrous grey hue. In the sunlight, this colour reflects specks of gold and reds, representing McLaren’s chosen colour for this Edition. A plaque mounted behind the gear lever denotes that this is ‘001’ of the limited run of just 25 SLRs converted by MSO.
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  • @seenthroughglass
    @seenthroughglass  3 роки тому +86

    Huge thanks to Collecting Cars for the opportunity. If you want to check out the auction listing for this car, click here: collectingcars.com/for-sale/2007-mercedes-benz-slr-mclaren-edition

    • @traveltectours6561
      @traveltectours6561 3 роки тому

      Indian 🇮🇳 DC Avanti or Sri Lankan 🇱🇰 Vega EVX.what is the best .?👍🔥 ua-cam.com/video/Y8xvO7LhkEQ/v-deo.html

    • @Kolinu2
      @Kolinu2 3 роки тому

      Beautiful car and congratulations for the tie-in with Collecting cars. Makes perfect sense, just like Harry and Silverstone Auctions.

    • @rohitchowdary27
      @rohitchowdary27 3 роки тому

      Is it the mso hs kiddo

    • @andosillano2709
      @andosillano2709 3 роки тому

      Just wet myself thinking on a collab with Chris Harris!!! Could u imagine!?? Harris and Sam together talking bout cars!!!!!!!?????!!!! 💦💦💦

    • @campkira
      @campkira 3 роки тому

      so it baica mso... that noone can and only found in small section of magazine....it is rare but no demand on it.. people who want to sell it had to taken it to auction..

  • @EpicDonutDudeMemes
    @EpicDonutDudeMemes 3 роки тому +881

    Its like a Wolf in Wolf clothing

  • @f00lxpl
    @f00lxpl 3 роки тому +457

    When you say McLaren MSO to the mirror 3 times
    Shmee150 appears behind your back xD

    • @davisdesigns1153
      @davisdesigns1153 3 роки тому +57

      Cerulean blue, Cerulean blue, Cerulean blu.... " *HeY GuYs ItS sHmEe* "

    • @mtnvalley9298
      @mtnvalley9298 3 роки тому +4

      I'm amazed he doesn't have one yet being his two favorite companies

    • @Verybadbiker
      @Verybadbiker 3 роки тому +11

      and starts to giggle

    • @22Epic
      @22Epic 3 роки тому +1

      @@davisdesigns1153 cerulean

    • @rv9990
      @rv9990 3 роки тому +2

      @@mtnvalley9298 he hates the gearbox. That why he doesnt have one

  • @bghoody5665
    @bghoody5665 3 роки тому +26

    I've liked the SLR ever since I saw Clarkson drive one to Oslo. What a wonderful noise. I find the SLR fits into that time where cars were beginning to take on the look they currently have, with insane amounts of power and driver aids but it's before the time of all the touchscreen displays.

  • @UncleanerBullet
    @UncleanerBullet 3 роки тому +445

    Manny Khoshbin wants to know your location :D

    • @allensaunders449
      @allensaunders449 3 роки тому +47

      So he can sit at his desk and look at another car

    • @danielwilliams7458
      @danielwilliams7458 3 роки тому

      Manny on speed dial😁😁😁

    • @zakrylee9918
      @zakrylee9918 3 роки тому +11

      Allen Saunders He drives all his cars lol.

    • @anthonymolina7416
      @anthonymolina7416 3 роки тому +1

      MunroM84 i think he should sell that blue and white Bugatti since he has more cars on order

    • @HoratioHoodoo
      @HoratioHoodoo 3 роки тому

      😂 yeah he needs more

  • @96wlf
    @96wlf 3 роки тому +62

    Forever one of my favorite cars. This version of the SLR is gorgeous.

  • @6rimR3ap3r
    @6rimR3ap3r 3 роки тому +10

    Usually I'm no convertible fan - but this one looks quite perfect open & closed. The upgrade parts do provide an upgrade to the look of it, well done.

  • @encoreartz1028
    @encoreartz1028 3 роки тому +193

    Fun fact: if you have this car you can flex that you have got both Mercedes and McLaren

    • @22Epic
      @22Epic 3 роки тому +15

      Only Manny Khoshbin can flex about the SLR as he has 5 of them.

    • @lungelosigwane6328
      @lungelosigwane6328 3 роки тому +1

      👌

    • @y2ksierra
      @y2ksierra 3 роки тому +4

      You can also flex McLaren by buying an 89-90 Pontiac Grand Prix with the ASC/McLaren package 😀

    • @peacefulservant2463
      @peacefulservant2463 3 роки тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/a41fweaM8lw/v-deo.html
      New Aston Martin victor

    • @zakg8081
      @zakg8081 3 роки тому +3

      how is that a fun fact? 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

  • @ssllhh100
    @ssllhh100 3 роки тому +153

    5:19 ... that's what she said
    sorrry sam, i had to do it

  • @4SmokingTailpipes
    @4SmokingTailpipes 3 роки тому +48

    The best partnership EVER!! Well done Sam. This is going to be such fun!

    • @alvarokoteli8904
      @alvarokoteli8904 3 роки тому

      British Engineering 💪🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

    • @PpunktP
      @PpunktP 3 роки тому

      @@alvarokoteli8904 don't forget The Germans - greetings

    • @alvarokoteli8904
      @alvarokoteli8904 3 роки тому

      @@PpunktP To Germans even today and then, British engineers build performance cars for them. Here I am also talking about (Mercedes F1) 😉🤔🙄🙄

  • @120poundsound2
    @120poundsound2 3 роки тому +32

    Can remember seeing one of these on the m40 years ago, some old dear driving it. Beautiful car.

    • @keysersoze2313
      @keysersoze2313 3 роки тому

      It's the one car I've never ever seen, anywhere.

    • @120poundsound2
      @120poundsound2 3 роки тому

      @@keysersoze2313 I've only ever seen the one.

    • @iiredeyeiiredeye1569
      @iiredeyeiiredeye1569 3 роки тому

      Just had a similar experience in Northamptonshire while out riding my bike...very middle aged woman driving a Lamborghini Huracan with the roof down...fair play to her.

    • @JuniorJuni070
      @JuniorJuni070 3 роки тому

      @@120poundsound2 me too just one

  • @paulw103
    @paulw103 3 роки тому +3

    Congratulations on reaching 500K subscribers Sam👍 Well deserved, your content is excellent, keep up the great work😊

  • @mjrowden
    @mjrowden 3 роки тому +4

    Not the fastest, but definitely one of the most beautifully aggressive looking cars ever made. Those side pipes are just so cool

  • @oliverfriborg292
    @oliverfriborg292 3 роки тому +3

    I really like the design language that has carried through too Mclaren today. That front lip/bumper looks almost exactly like the one you would find on a Mclaren 650S or 675LT. Its kinda cool how that entire design language starter all the way back when they were still with Mercedes and barely their own brand.

  • @Labergemusic
    @Labergemusic 3 роки тому +1

    Lovely overview of the SLR model, thank you for that!

  • @eddthetank
    @eddthetank 3 роки тому

    I’ve been waiting for this collab! Absolutely love both platforms 💪

  • @InsertNameHere0369
    @InsertNameHere0369 3 роки тому +11

    Oh my goodness!! One of the best cars of our generation, Sam! Remember playing Forza 4 and ripping this beast around a track! You sir are one lucky SOB! Great video as always

  • @KHRacing
    @KHRacing 3 роки тому +125

    Imagine a dude thinking this car was slk that had mclaren badges

    • @peacefulservant2463
      @peacefulservant2463 3 роки тому

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    • @KHRacing
      @KHRacing 3 роки тому

      PEACEFUL SERVANT bro that video was stolen from vipin maben

    • @campkira
      @campkira 3 роки тому

      you can had slk with similar body kit..

  • @JoeAchilles1
    @JoeAchilles1 3 роки тому +125

    Another great video buddy, what a rare and insane car! This weather is driving me crazy too, makes filming soooo bloody difficult!

    • @peacefulservant2463
      @peacefulservant2463 3 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/a41fweaM8lw/v-deo.html
      New Aston Martin victor

    • @BlueHopi144
      @BlueHopi144 3 роки тому

      climat change is in full swing if u did not notice .......

    • @JoeAchilles1
      @JoeAchilles1 3 роки тому

      @@BlueHopi144 yep we had 4 months of sunshine in the UK, bloody amazing!

    • @BlueHopi144
      @BlueHopi144 3 роки тому

      @@JoeAchilles1 4 months ? U must be on cocaine . I got loads of friends in the UK - they tell another story . How weird .

    • @JoeAchilles1
      @JoeAchilles1 3 роки тому +2

      @@BlueHopi144 being on cocaine doesn't change the weather unfortunately. I find it difficult to believe you have any friends....

  • @Atombender
    @Atombender 3 роки тому +2

    One SLR McLaren Edition, with orange/black livery, was sold at a 2015 RM Auction for $550,000. It was listed as having 552KW/750 PS and being one of six.

  • @michaelmeredith912
    @michaelmeredith912 3 роки тому

    Awesome videos of late Sam. Great job. You’re killing it 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @TinCarib
    @TinCarib 3 роки тому

    Wow finally review on that car. Thanx Sam, this shows great taste and awesome contact list 👍👍👍👍👍

  • @MrMillenium67
    @MrMillenium67 3 роки тому

    A huge congrats on the 500k subscribers Sam...very well deserved!

  • @Leeviiii758
    @Leeviiii758 3 роки тому +2

    Appreciate the automotive history that's always being taught on this channel.

  • @rourkeyliiid4769
    @rourkeyliiid4769 3 роки тому

    One of the few car guys on here that I enjoy watching. You can just tell how much cars excite you bud, nice one 🙂

  • @osamaghauri1
    @osamaghauri1 3 роки тому +11

    Is this really rare?
    Manny khoshbin :
    Wait a minute, I'm going to take my 5 SLR's ♥️😅

  • @TA-jq3te
    @TA-jq3te 3 роки тому

    Almost half a mil subs!! And also the SLR will forever look and sound incredible

  • @olidomseb
    @olidomseb 3 роки тому

    500,000 subscribers Sam!!!! Well done.

  • @arroncadman9421
    @arroncadman9421 3 роки тому +1

    Sam it's got to be said what a beast. also I was a subscriber a few years back and I've got to say the last few months of your uploads is by far the best work you've done I loved the around the world uploads too but the new stuff is really what us car guys love keep up the good work mate 👍

  • @donjuan150
    @donjuan150 3 роки тому +1

    Never knew these special models modified by Mclaren existed......thanks Sam!!

  • @MGAFFY
    @MGAFFY 3 роки тому +2

    I saw a regular SLR driving around a couple days ago and man, they still look soo good in person

  • @kriss4200
    @kriss4200 3 роки тому

    Excellent video as always.

  • @davidgilbert
    @davidgilbert 3 роки тому

    Enjoyed that - thanks!

  • @romualdrenault4782
    @romualdrenault4782 3 роки тому

    Finally 500k subscribers !!! Well done Sam, well deserved

  • @pegsy7206
    @pegsy7206 3 роки тому +1

    Another great video, sounds ace and very different to most mercs. Special car

  • @ma77212
    @ma77212 3 роки тому

    Love your videos man and British weather is awesome

  • @aaronvazquez6990
    @aaronvazquez6990 3 роки тому

    Amazing Sam, excelent video 👌🏻❤️

  • @philly7558
    @philly7558 3 роки тому

    Such an amazing car and so beautifully done.

  • @namegoeshere6638
    @namegoeshere6638 3 роки тому +1

    Well done on 500k!!!!! Here since jag days. Still your best car BTW

  • @marcnobel3938
    @marcnobel3938 3 роки тому

    Wow! A car which I didn`t know before. Great Review! Cool long bonnet monster!

  • @fcodijk
    @fcodijk 3 роки тому

    Congratz on the 500K subs Sam! on towards the 1M. i've been here since the very first sub 25k =D

  • @ckmurphy1
    @ckmurphy1 3 роки тому

    What a smashing great idea congratulations Sam!

  • @davide8641
    @davide8641 3 роки тому

    yo after 50 sec i already know thats the start of something great!! congratulations sam!

  • @leotac5737
    @leotac5737 3 роки тому

    Loved this video!

  • @pe3117
    @pe3117 3 роки тому

    I have an old Evo magazine where they show the same car in other color and all the process of McLaren doing it...
    Is my absolute dream car ever...is just perfect!

  • @ellisonstudious7500
    @ellisonstudious7500 3 роки тому

    Beautiful car. Great upload.

  • @LamboBen931993
    @LamboBen931993 3 роки тому

    It’s always been in my top ten especially the MSO SLR like this , Love Love Love them

  • @mindaugaskliukas8667
    @mindaugaskliukas8667 3 роки тому

    Whatta car!!! That's the modern classic I'd absolutely buy! The design is so timeless! And what a soundtrack! Wow! You don't really need all the touchscreens, just pure driving experience, and those nearly 700hp are more than enough!;)

  • @majorcurto5418
    @majorcurto5418 Рік тому

    One of the best cars money can buy...In addition to that, its price & value doesnt depreciate. I love it ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @GMoralesRCflight
    @GMoralesRCflight 3 роки тому

    Didn’t know about this edition. What a treat to see and hear it...through video even!

  • @cartergarnon6299
    @cartergarnon6299 3 роки тому

    500k is an incredible milestone. 500k to 1Mill will happen rapidly I think! Congrats Sam!

  • @geoffnorton9279
    @geoffnorton9279 3 роки тому

    What a glorious machine, absolutely epic, amazing sounds.

  • @andrelima5124
    @andrelima5124 3 роки тому +2

    This car aged so well !

  • @asruljamaludin
    @asruljamaludin 3 роки тому

    out of all cars that you have reviewed, i've watch this video more than 10 times..
    the car sound is among the best..

  • @bicyclist2
    @bicyclist2 3 роки тому +1

    I knew what it was before I clicked. I just didn't know it was #1 and with bespoke factory upgrades. Thank you.

  • @matthewb9241
    @matthewb9241 3 роки тому

    One of the best collaborations of car companies EVER.

  • @johnnyboy1586
    @johnnyboy1586 3 роки тому

    One of the best v8 notes not loud and obnoxious but a beautiful lumpy brutal rumble.

  • @Userh211
    @Userh211 3 роки тому +1

    Finally sams getting the views and recognition he deserves congrats on 500k

  • @jt8083
    @jt8083 3 роки тому

    Best car show on you tube...... keep up the interesting content...👊

  • @azizalharthi9631
    @azizalharthi9631 2 роки тому +1

    My favourite car of all time, especially the 722 coupe.

  • @bleuprint7305
    @bleuprint7305 3 роки тому +1

    This is my first dream car. I think I'd still get this one despite many new supercars in the market now.

  • @MH-eu9iw
    @MH-eu9iw 3 роки тому

    Always loved this car! And the sound 🤤

  • @brucecoudrey1246
    @brucecoudrey1246 3 роки тому

    Great video Sam

  • @wolbi01
    @wolbi01 3 роки тому

    Congratulations on half a million subscribers STG

  • @r.vignesh9219
    @r.vignesh9219 3 роки тому +57

    Replacing the turbine wheels on the SLR should be made a crime

    • @campkira
      @campkira 3 роки тому +1

      well not everyone like it...

    • @allensaunders449
      @allensaunders449 3 роки тому

      Whoever owns the car can do what they want. Reimagining

    • @iggywow
      @iggywow 3 роки тому +8

      I understand this is "factory" and all that but yeah, the turbine wheels are so quintessential SLR. I still remember all the articles writing about how it was supposed to help brake cooling

    • @peacefulservant2463
      @peacefulservant2463 3 роки тому

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      Sebastian vettel Ferrari journey

    • @peacefulservant2463
      @peacefulservant2463 3 роки тому

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  • @stefangrubesic2708
    @stefangrubesic2708 3 роки тому

    Congrats on 500k 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @ojannobell
    @ojannobell 3 роки тому

    Never bored with this car! Always be my dream car! Ever!

  • @Official_MikeyT
    @Official_MikeyT 3 роки тому

    Cool I didn't know about this version. Someone who used to live on my street had a Roadster and I saw a 722 at the track last year for an IMSA race. Cool tire slaying machine. Also, fun fact you can take this to your local British car meet and your local German car meet.

  • @rv9990
    @rv9990 3 роки тому

    Love how good you can hear the supercharger!

  • @SirPierreSe
    @SirPierreSe 3 роки тому

    Finally someone makes a video of this car!

  • @warakanda7356
    @warakanda7356 3 роки тому

    Even until today I can still say this car is still marvellous.. hopefully, Mercedes Benz will produce cara with design like this.. thanks bro..🤓💪

  • @diegothephotographer2036
    @diegothephotographer2036 3 роки тому

    That’s is a beauty of a car. I seen one in person few years ago but it was a coupe, still gorgeous.

  • @cruise2kx
    @cruise2kx 3 роки тому

    One of my all time favorites.

  • @michaelperez965
    @michaelperez965 2 роки тому

    It's so clean man

  • @ClonedBear
    @ClonedBear 3 роки тому +1

    This is insane bro !!!!

  • @theRealLeperchaun17
    @theRealLeperchaun17 3 роки тому +2

    I've watched 4 mins and your a mix of Doug demero and Matt from carwow. And it's great

  • @jackmorgan5431
    @jackmorgan5431 3 роки тому

    Those wheels look amazing, I like the original blade wheels but this one's look so good

  • @ronstarm3
    @ronstarm3 3 роки тому

    That is a beautiful machine!!

  • @SCDC-Channel
    @SCDC-Channel 3 роки тому +1

    It still looks EPIC

  • @uzzie88
    @uzzie88 3 роки тому +1

    The SLR McLaren will forever be one of the best cars to exist. ❤❤❤

    • @campkira
      @campkira 3 роки тому

      overpirice to repair.. don't resell that well.. better off with sls..

  • @joe125ful
    @joe125ful 3 роки тому

    That supercharger sound!!!

  • @DON247007
    @DON247007 2 роки тому

    Absolutely incredible Car

  • @hazmatcinemaxxx
    @hazmatcinemaxxx 3 роки тому +1

    Manny Khoshbin would like to buy this car I guarantee it. Someone needs to let him know about the auction. This would be a great addition to his SLR collection.

  • @allanreardon
    @allanreardon 3 роки тому

    Sam, you have one hell of a job. What a car!!!

  • @sakhesengwayo
    @sakhesengwayo 3 роки тому

    Stunning.

  • @mbizozo6271
    @mbizozo6271 3 роки тому

    This thing sounds glorious!

  • @T33SER1
    @T33SER1 3 роки тому

    Nice to see views on the videos are regularly starting to go over 100k 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @andresguerin7162
    @andresguerin7162 2 роки тому +1

    Would never ever consider driving this beauty in inclement weather! I guess owner thinks having it in this channel will help selling price.

  • @Damatovg
    @Damatovg 3 роки тому

    If it's any of the 3500 from 03-07 Mercedes-benz SLR McLarens, then I definitely heard of it, and it's been my favorite car for over a decade. I dream of owning one someday

  • @guycorps1487
    @guycorps1487 3 роки тому

    Sat in traffic with one of these next to me at brackley, towcester roundabout, egging the guy to hit the loud pedal, he eventually did pulling away at the roundabout. Wow it sounds like thunder and having checked my mirror he was gone. the smile on my face went from ear to ear.

  • @raymondkyruana118
    @raymondkyruana118 3 роки тому

    Woah sick video!

  • @JeffVT289
    @JeffVT289 3 роки тому

    Saw one of these at the Saratoga, New York Auto Museum in a show they put on. I also think I remember seeing one which belonged to Ralph Lauren at a show at the Boston Museum of Fine Art .They are striking in person !

  • @pablotorres1659
    @pablotorres1659 3 роки тому

    🥳 🎊 Aye congrats on the half a mil 🎊 🥳

  • @toddaulner5393
    @toddaulner5393 3 роки тому +1

    My Posters as a mid teen. Lambo in red, palomino interior, Mercedes SL gull wing and Vector. Also 65 GTO as I had bought a 65 Lemans

  • @Michael_Michaels
    @Michael_Michaels 3 роки тому +15

    8:02 This has got to be the best sounding V8 I've ever heard!

  • @Raf_23_
    @Raf_23_ 3 роки тому +1

    The best cruiser ever made !!!😍👍

  • @jeromep3182
    @jeromep3182 3 роки тому

    I love the sterling moss model of the slr

  • @josh-ds9wv
    @josh-ds9wv 3 роки тому

    We have 2 out of the 20 something in North America get serviced at the Benz dealership I work at and service is a FORTUNE but they're so beautiful and refined.

  • @StudioMargalima
    @StudioMargalima 2 роки тому

    What a great, epic car SLR is

  • @rhezaif
    @rhezaif 3 роки тому

    This car really ahead of its time!