your brother embodies the spiritual practices and outlooks that i have found since leaving the church. so happy to see he’s is so in touch with himself and his beliefs. it’s clear he can sense what is of god and the negative outlooks that aren’t and that’s amazing.
He’s so cute and seems genuinely kind and honest. Thanks to you both for sharing this conversation. Very refreshing to see communication like this of family in or out of church.
This was great!! It felt like I was sitting down with two good friends, having a great conversation where different views are okay to have on both sides. You guys are awesome!! Thanks for sharing.
@@myspiritualife hey I don't mean to be annoying or anything but I just wanted to say that I started watching you back in 2019 and your videos help me during my transition out of the LDS Church and I just wanted to say thank you for making such difficult videos ♥️♥️♥️
I would have to disagree pretty strongly when Parker said people would brush off a guy openly admitting to looking at porn over the pulpit. This is such a hot button topic for men in the church when it comes to the law of chastity. It always has been since I was a teen in the 2000's. It was talked about in priesthood session of conference several times during that decade. How many times was it addressed in the women's session? I'm willing to bet none, maybe once. And I'm also willing to bet that it was talked about so much, both in general conference and in local church meetings because of the advent of the world wide web just less than a decade earlier! Internet pornography had completely changed the landscape when it came to the kinds of explicit material boys and men were able to access from that point on. And you would always hear about that difference in church too. "Back in my day, we had to ride our bikes down to the drug store in our neighborhood and actually buy a magazine in order to get a hold of that stuff. Nowadays it's a click away." But I digress. I honestly think that if a man were to admit to porn viewing over the pulpit he would be permanently seen in a different light. He would be seen as someone who has been strongly stained with the temptations of satan and is in the process of repentance. Seriously, he's basically made his repentance process public to the congregation, which is really none of anyone's business. But that's just it. Most people would feel hella awkward around him from that point on. It would almost be social suicide. He would probably have to leave that congregation and just find a different ward to attend in order to truly reset his reputation among his social network, which is what one's ward is essentially. And that's not to mention the kinds of inferences people make about men who view porn. Like, "that's the kind of behavior that leads to sexual predatory behavior." No joke! That's what my own dad fear-mongered me about when I was a teen. Men are seen as the sex-hungry of the two sexes, so it's so much more common for both local church leaders and general authorities alike to speak to men of all ages about it and to crack down on it than with women. And I would tend to think that if a woman were to admit to that over the pulpit, people in the congregation would more likely give her a greater benefit of the doubt, thinking like, "oh, it's probably some sort of graphic novel" or "she's probably done it once or twice and is now feeling super guilty about it." Even if that's not the case, I think people would give the woman more of the benefit of the doubt than for the guy. In fact, I think the opposite is true of what Parker said. People wouldn't see this girl's admission over the pulpit nearly as serious as they would the guy's. The stigma would last longer for the guy than for the girl. You could even possibly argue that a man viewing porn as a member of the church is their "chewed gum" reference, just as actual pre-marital sex is for women. It's like a man's mind has been permanently tarnished if he's seen a woman naked in a sexual context before he's lawfully wedded. But it takes actual full-on sex in order for a woman to be viewed in that same way. I think it really does take a lot more to knock that halo effect off of women in the church than it does for men, especially when it comes to sexual sins. Women have virgin bodies, men have virgin minds.
A missionary told me the Catholic Church was true, but it lost the truth somehow; and your church was restoring it. Does that mean you study what the original church fathers believed and taught?
Mormons follow the teachings of a man called Joseph Smith, who was a “prophet” in the 1800’s. Mormons are named after a text called the “Book of Mormon”, which Joseph claimed to have been divinely revealed to him by an angel, first on golden plates and then without them. It talks about a tribe of Israel which actually made its way over to America, and relates what happened to them between the events of the Old Testament and the New Testament. Jesus even appears, teaching in America during the time between his death and resurrection. All of this to say, no, they don’t explicitly extoll the virtues of early church fathers; what they meant was that the Catholic Church, being the church that was founded by Paul, was once the institution which God most favored, but now that Joseph Smith had essentially cast himself as an Old Testament prophet receiving revelations directly from God, it was clear that at some point the Catholic Church had lost its validity. Joseph was very invested in the Old Testament view of God and worship, and he modeled his church after it. This is why Mormons have a couple of famous “temples”, and why he famously instituted polygamy, as is present in the Old Testament Israelites. [This was written by a non-Mormon, working class, autodidact, who happens to have done a fair bit of reading on the subject but has no first hand experience of Mormonism as a religion and no in depth understanding of Mormon theology.]
your brother embodies the spiritual practices and outlooks that i have found since leaving the church. so happy to see he’s is so in touch with himself and his beliefs. it’s clear he can sense what is of god and the negative outlooks that aren’t and that’s amazing.
He’s so cute and seems genuinely kind and honest. Thanks to you both for sharing this conversation. Very refreshing to see communication like this of family in or out of church.
Yes! Thanks for watching!
This was great!! It felt like I was sitting down with two good friends, having a great conversation where different views are okay to have on both sides. You guys are awesome!! Thanks for sharing.
Yes! Love this!
Very positive conversation
It was a fun one!
@@myspiritualife hey I don't mean to be annoying or anything but I just wanted to say that I started watching you back in 2019 and your videos help me during my transition out of the LDS Church and I just wanted to say thank you for making such difficult videos ♥️♥️♥️
I would have to disagree pretty strongly when Parker said people would brush off a guy openly admitting to looking at porn over the pulpit. This is such a hot button topic for men in the church when it comes to the law of chastity. It always has been since I was a teen in the 2000's. It was talked about in priesthood session of conference several times during that decade. How many times was it addressed in the women's session? I'm willing to bet none, maybe once.
And I'm also willing to bet that it was talked about so much, both in general conference and in local church meetings because of the advent of the world wide web just less than a decade earlier! Internet pornography had completely changed the landscape when it came to the kinds of explicit material boys and men were able to access from that point on. And you would always hear about that difference in church too.
"Back in my day, we had to ride our bikes down to the drug store in our neighborhood and actually buy a magazine in order to get a hold of that stuff. Nowadays it's a click away."
But I digress. I honestly think that if a man were to admit to porn viewing over the pulpit he would be permanently seen in a different light. He would be seen as someone who has been strongly stained with the temptations of satan and is in the process of repentance. Seriously, he's basically made his repentance process public to the congregation, which is really none of anyone's business. But that's just it. Most people would feel hella awkward around him from that point on. It would almost be social suicide. He would probably have to leave that congregation and just find a different ward to attend in order to truly reset his reputation among his social network, which is what one's ward is essentially.
And that's not to mention the kinds of inferences people make about men who view porn. Like, "that's the kind of behavior that leads to sexual predatory behavior." No joke! That's what my own dad fear-mongered me about when I was a teen.
Men are seen as the sex-hungry of the two sexes, so it's so much more common for both local church leaders and general authorities alike to speak to men of all ages about it and to crack down on it than with women.
And I would tend to think that if a woman were to admit to that over the pulpit, people in the congregation would more likely give her a greater benefit of the doubt, thinking like, "oh, it's probably some sort of graphic novel" or "she's probably done it once or twice and is now feeling super guilty about it." Even if that's not the case, I think people would give the woman more of the benefit of the doubt than for the guy. In fact, I think the opposite is true of what Parker said. People wouldn't see this girl's admission over the pulpit nearly as serious as they would the guy's. The stigma would last longer for the guy than for the girl.
You could even possibly argue that a man viewing porn as a member of the church is their "chewed gum" reference, just as actual pre-marital sex is for women. It's like a man's mind has been permanently tarnished if he's seen a woman naked in a sexual context before he's lawfully wedded. But it takes actual full-on sex in order for a woman to be viewed in that same way. I think it really does take a lot more to knock that halo effect off of women in the church than it does for men, especially when it comes to sexual sins. Women have virgin bodies, men have virgin minds.
How many brothers and sisters do you have?
Basically a million hahaha. I have 3 brothers, 2 sister and I also have 3 step brothers and 1 step sister... So yes, a lot!
A missionary told me the Catholic Church was true, but it lost the truth somehow; and your church was restoring it. Does that mean you study what the original church fathers believed and taught?
Mormons follow the teachings of a man called Joseph Smith, who was a “prophet” in the 1800’s. Mormons are named after a text called the “Book of Mormon”, which Joseph claimed to have been divinely revealed to him by an angel, first on golden plates and then without them. It talks about a tribe of Israel which actually made its way over to America, and relates what happened to them between the events of the Old Testament and the New Testament. Jesus even appears, teaching in America during the time between his death and resurrection. All of this to say, no, they don’t explicitly extoll the virtues of early church fathers; what they meant was that the Catholic Church, being the church that was founded by Paul, was once the institution which God most favored, but now that Joseph Smith had essentially cast himself as an Old Testament prophet receiving revelations directly from God, it was clear that at some point the Catholic Church had lost its validity. Joseph was very invested in the Old Testament view of God and worship, and he modeled his church after it. This is why Mormons have a couple of famous “temples”, and why he famously instituted polygamy, as is present in the Old Testament Israelites.
[This was written by a non-Mormon, working class, autodidact, who happens to have done a fair bit of reading on the subject but has no first hand experience of Mormonism as a religion and no in depth understanding of Mormon theology.]
@@PopularWobbly Pretty well said!