Love my CB650R as well. Agree with everything here, especially the seat. One to add, which is also very minor: give us an oil window. The dipstick should be a thing of the past on most bikes.
Until I read your comment I never thought of that, My last two bikes had a window but i still never even realised my honda doesn't till you mentioned it. G whizz, I'm actually gonnna have to dip the stick.
I managed to have a better experience with the dash by putting a non reflective screen protector on it. Not perfect, but means I can always see the speedo
As you know, I own one of these aswell. And I absolutely love it! Done 13 000km on it and I must comment on your 5 list. Yep, the dash...even at brightest setting it's just not bright enough. But at the same time, it's very rare that I can't read it. Corrosion? Nope, no problems on mine. Seat? It's one of the best without looking like a sofa. But I do have to stop for various reasons anyway every hour or so. (lower the pegs!) Traction control? Works fine on mine. Just lucky or are you unlucky? Rear light...I think it looks so good! Things I do not like: Yellow spring...yak! (painted it!) Front mudguard...yak! (changed it for one in aluminium) Front headlight...it's just not good enough at the edges, 20 past to 40 past, riding in nighttime. Except 30 past-ish. So there are dark patches going in the curves and that's not good at all! Otherwise I love the bike! Thank you Dan!
was not happy with the headlight at night unless I turned my hi beams on - until I adjusted my low beam. I cranked it up a few turns and realized it was just not aimed correctly from the shoo
I'm sure we have our own list for things we hate, this is just mine! Thanks for watching, yes, the yellow spring was a really odd choice but I think it's just something they already had laying about so went with it.
Done mine on a kawasaki er6n saw the Honda at the test centre instantly fell in love with its looks and colour. Lookin at getting one once I've sold my dirt bike
I wish I could ride this bike, it's my dream bike at the moment and it looks beutiful. That being said I'm only 16 and a while away from getting a motorbike but the honda cb650r is drop dead gorgeous and I'm sure it would be a amazing bike for a beginner.
I’m just about to buy one of these, best bike I’ve test ridden after buying a cruiser and never enjoyed it the whole time I had it. Thanks for posting, you haven’t put me off 😅
Did my test on this exact bike and that indicator position took at least 5% of my brain power at all times to not beep the horn at each junction...... if I owned it I’m sure I would adapt to the odd position but just jumping on for a test was a bit of a challenge!
What annoys me most on my CB650R is the button layout on the left handle. I don't like that rocker switch for the lights, I often flash the high beams when I want to switch from high to low beam. Honda should have put the flash where the HSTC switch is. And the switch for the horn is hard to reach quickly. Other than that I'm very happy with the bike.
Agree with all of these comments. My CB doesn't seem to have the rusting steel fittings but maybe mines is made in Asia. I changed the seat right away making It a little more comfortable and styled it to fit the red. Oh yeah... whack that end tail off and have the plate hanging off by brackets. Suits the back light a little better
I had the CBR650 and I couldn't get with the vibration of the engine. It would numb my hands and feet...wild for an i4. Gearing felt strange to me too. Hopped onto a new SV650, glad I did.
Looking at getting my first bike really soon. Getting an a2 license, so it's between a ~5-6k euro 2018-2021 cb500f (or similar), or a 2020 cb650f for about 9k after the cost of the a2 kit. Since it's my first bike ever, I'm a bit scared of getting something more expensive since it will probably end up in the ground, but at the same time, it's only 30% more expensive than a normal a2 bike where I live.
Sincere, honest and straight to the point review. I am planning to purchase sometime soon among this bike, the KTM 650 and the Kawasaki Z650 2020, I hope I can find a review on the 2 other bikes such as this..thank you, keep up the good work! Kudos!
I thought the same about the screen when I rode and did a review, much to some owner's annoyance. Agree with the seat as well, but this is a common trait a lot of bikes have these days!!! Still loving my MT07 which was my preferred choice of the 2..........:D. Cheers Dan
About dash: i put a non-reflective protective film on it and it’s a lot more visible during day now. My bike stand out in rain often and I also dont have any corrosion issue. I had to check after your video! I am from korea and i got 14,000km on it. Maybe different areas have different set ups? We dont have any blue ones available afterall.
In the UK the roads get salted during the winter and it stays around until even April when the rain sprays it all over your bike. Last year I bought a Japanese Domestic Market Subaru 13 years old and no corrosion at all. I understand that the Japanese don’t salt their roads. 👍🏻
@@leewatkeys9065 Probably why then. You need at least 3-4 good heavy rains to wash the salt off the roads. I live in Canada so I'm well versed in salted roads and what they do to vehicles.
@@Fee.1 Don't sweat it. Phil is a good friend of mine so he knows I don't talk this way in 'real life'. Damn UA-cam voice and I don't even know I'm doing it.
to fix the dash buy a matt smartphone screen protector. just buy the largest you can find and trim it. I have a macbook 13 mate screen protector for that)
I love the look of this bike! There is a used 2020 at a dealer an hour from where I live for a fair asking price. This problem with the rust though has me nervous. I live in Florida on the coast and as you can imagine things rust here.
The 1000 also suffers from easily rusting welds. Mine's 1,5 years old and is starting to get rusty on the exhaust. The welds under the tank also suffer from it, not even sure how as that area remains dry.
The rust on mine is bad it's on the engine and the frame. The water pipes at the very bottom are completely rusted the paint on the frame seems to rub of where the pillion seat sits engine bolts are rusted as well I would have thought they would be stainless and last longer . This is my first Honda I have owned looks like it will be my last unless Honda fixes this mess.
Do you live or work close to the sea? Do you ride on roads they are de-iced using salt? Do you park outside where it frequently rains? I feel these will all have an impact on how much corrosion you're seeing.
@@TheCuriousOrbs I dont live near the see, the bike is garaged, I do have to ride it in salted roads sadly. I bought this bike in the middle of summer a month after I bought it there was rust on it no salt on the road yet. My bike gets treated with acf50 quite regularly in winter aswell I do not feel like the paint should be coming of a brand new bike.
@@davidcolquhoun4368 I'm having the same issues, I use acf50 every second weekend now, which I know is overkill. I have been out in salf but gets a really good wash after, also lives outside but is covered when not in use, overall pretty disappointed with the build quality, I don't expect rust after a year even if it was next to the sea...🤞 Honda sorts it out when they come off furlough.
@@alasdairmathieson4130 ACF50 is not as good as some people claim. Use a light machine oil such as Double TT or GT85. Apply after every wash. Use Waxoil on the really vulnerable parts in Winter, remove it in spring with White spirit.
Thank you Dan. Good vid. What I hate are the two bulky air vents either side of the tank. Aesthetically unpleasant. Would like to just get rid. Seat agreed, not only hard but also the cover looks plastic/ fake. But I love this bike!
Not about bikes (please don't shoot me, I am a biker) but I have owned 3 Honda cars over the years. The first was a Civic, beautifully built in Japan as Car magazine used to say, but I just couldn't find a comfortable seating position so it had to go. Next was a 2 litre petrol auto CRV, which I think was also made in Japan. That was a great car but very thirsty on long autoroute trips through France and with a small fuel tank. Traded that for one of the new shape diesel CRVs when they came out. This one was built in Swindon I believe. Within a couple of months most of the hose clips under the bonnet were going rusty. At the first 12 month service the rear discs had to be skimmed because they were so rusty - and as I later discovered this was because the rear brakes were never actually coming on, so the pads never scrubbed the discs. The final straw was a complete flattening of the battery in 2 1/2 weeks when the car was left in a long term airport car park and I was overseas for work. Later, I measured the "standing current" drain from the battery and sure enough it would flatten it in that time. Not impressed Mr Honda.
This is a very helpful video as the CB650R is what I'm eyeing to get after I pass my A2 license. Might wait for the 2021 model to see whether they'll upgrade the dash and electronics like the Kawasaki Z650 & Z900
Also found rust on mine, a few bolts that was allready coated black from new and not touched. One thing I dont like is the throttling, its difficult to avoid jerking when engaging and disengaging the throttle. Allthough this is my first bike so I dont have anything to compare with, maybe its just me?
I have the latest CB500X with the same dash. And I 100% agree. It seems pointless to have this display when it can't be read. It surely wouldn't have cost much more to have gone with the TFT style displays.
I've owned three Hondas over the years. I've found the engines to be bulletproof, but boring. I now prefer two cylinder engines. This bike is fairly expensive for a 650 so I am very surprised at Honda. Thanks for highlighting these issues.
Expensive in some places but not all. In the UK this bike is such good value. In other countries it makes less sense. IL4 engines are just different to twins. I find running out of revs on some middleweight twins annoying, so prefer higher reving engines such as IL4's. There's still plenty to love about this bike though, which will be shown in another video.
When I was looking to buy my first bike last fall it was between the Honda CB650R and the Yamaha MT07. I didn't know about the corrosion issue or the traction control but I agree with everything else. I went for the Yamaha MT07 because I thought it is better then the Honda in the dash and the build quality as the Yamaha is made in Japan and it is much cheaper. Not to mention the Yamaha has more power as well.
Coming from riding a 2004 R6 for 10 years... I found the CB650R adequate but not exciting... was great for commuting... lots of vibration at first but now has settled down some... I had a CB300R and found that bike way more fun to ride.... except on the fwy
I fully share your point of view for the seat, this is my number 1 of bad things on my CB, the dash is also a weak point a tft would have been better but I put a protective film and globally I am always able to see it. For the rear end, I removed the tail plate holder and put the topblock one close to the rear wheel, looks much better now like the bigger sister CB1000R, that's it for me alĺ the rest is perfect for me, I have no rust issue, just the chrome of the header seems to be not first quality...
Just over a year ago I had a CB125R, it had the a similar type of inverted LCD dash. Yes it was a nightmare to see in bright sunlight. Suzuki manage to put on an old school LCD on their SV650 that is perfectly visible in bright sunlight . Maybe the Suzuki one doesn't look as "cool" , but well I'd rather be able to see how fast I'm going !
I was looking at this motorcycle before I passed my test, absolutely love the look of this machine, the style is just something else, the bullet proof engine, basically a new Hornet which I was admiring since I was a teenager. But one thing that put me off getting it ,was the fact that its made in Thailand, 7000£ made in Thailand....???!!! Ended up getting 2017 XSR 900... For the same money with 1860 miles on... I believed a Japanese bike should be made and put together in Japan...
EnglishBikerDan Well, as you mentioned in this video, they used cheaper materials nowadays on those bikes... hence the corrosion... It’s a pity really , because the bike is beautiful ... ACF50 all year round then ... :) I see MT07 used by motorcycling schools, that’s the bike I have passed my test on... You really consider them unreliable?
I was watching this video and I was shocked when I saw the rusted parts. My 2009 Hornet does not have as much corrosion and its ridden all year, even in the rain. I guess even with the Honda the quality is not what it used to be for the middleweight class. The 2007+ Hornets were made in Italy.
I've had around 5 Hornets. 1998 up to around 2010. Great bikes. The rust was only a couple of hose clamps so not anything major. However, to see that on a bike with 0 miles isn't good QA. Just hope they pick these points up.
Agreed on the corrosion Dan. And that’s after bathing the bike in ACF50! I actually don’t mind the dash and the seat......what annoys me though..... and it’ll be the reason for getting shot of the bike is the fact that it’s a bit slow. 🤣
The power never bothered me, I've done the mega-powerful bike thing in my 20's. It's no rocket but it's still quick enough for fun. Plus I love how it screams at the top, so addictive!
Good post. I agree the dash gets lost very easily, I don't like the way it's set out with the rev counter either. The traction control seemed to do nothing when I tried one on all settings. The seat is typical Honda, They need to get on top of that. It's almost like they make them uncomfortable on purpose. Like you say - it's still a good bike. 👍🍻🏍️
1. Dash - I don't know why, but I love this dash over MT 07 I set it only 4/5 brightness, and it's been working great here (Bangkok Thailand) where it is always Sunny hot 2. Traction control - I always have it off anyway. I only turn it on when riding on wet road / rain I used to ride a Harley, so I'm used to riding without any traction control 3. Corrosion - don't see any for me. only factory fault found on mine was the front right fork leaking oil, inspected at 1,000 km service The dealership made the claim and changed me a new one within a week I heard MT 07 had more corrosion problem. Never heard of that on any CB / CBR 650 R here 4. Seat - yes, stock seat not comfortable for long ride. I had a local shop installed gels on both the rider and pillion stock seat about US $ 90 total, and it makes a BIG different. 5. Tail brake lights - I don't really care 😗 I have annoying problem shifting from 1st to 2nd gear, often hitting in Neutral 2nd to 1st gear shift many times I have to kick down hard or it only crank down to Neutral sometimes i keep finding fault Neutral between any gears 3 to 5th when using Quick shifter Can't wait to see new generation of MT 07. If they improve the suspension, I might consider trading in after 4-5 years
That's because over here in Europe we have to salt on the roads in winter to combat ice and snow and rust is caused by that combination of salt and wet , not a combination i think you get in Thailand .
I was already read-up and warned about the dim dash display, but after bumping up the brightness to maximum, even the Sydney midday sun didn't kill it. I've never seen a TFT display so maybe that would spoil me for it somewhat. And yes, the mild steel hose clamps are already starting to tarnish after just 6 months, easy enough to swap out for stainless if they get much worse I guess. My only pet peeve on the bike is the way the traction control randomly switches off and stays off (love to hear from others having the same issue). I'm inclined to think that my LH glove is catching the lever when the clutch is pulled and have even toyed with the idea of taking to it with a Dremel to shorten the plastic activator switch a few millimetres. Hmmmm... other than that, Can't fault this bike. A pleasure to own and ride.
Elo Dan once again, I've got my triumph so sorry no comment on your bike. Just a reminder about part 2 of your Euro trip cant wait to see that take care ride safe mate
Hate is a strong word! I don’t have an issue with the dash, rear light or the traction control to be honest, but I’m with you on the seat and I am quite disappointed with the corrosion on the clips. Given the price point though, I have no huge complaints.
MT09 has a bonkers engine, way more than the CB650R but the suspension on the MT09 is awful. Really let's the bike down. Easily rectified though with some springs heavier fork oil and a Nitron rear shock. Enjoy your wheelie Machine! 👍
@@Englishbikerdan from watching your mt09 review I could tell that you were not very impressed with the mt09. I love the look of the cb650r and even thought of selling my mt09 and getting a cb650r but I really like the power of the mt09 and once it is flashed it becomes very smooth. I ride on A mode all the time.
I bought one 3 weeks ago 2020, and I love everything on this bike, I am just adding the windshield, sliders, changing the brake and clutch, exhaust guard, light shield, radiator guard and after that nothing else I like the way it is.
EnglishBikerDan , takes time mate as I know, did you get to watch and of my Spain trip vids? Ive run out of things to film, desperate to get back on the road 😬
I'm looking hard at this bike, and it's absolutely on my list. While some of these gripes are subjective, the corrosion issue isn't. It's completely unacceptable that a customer would spend THOUSANDS of their hard-earned dollars (or pounds) on a NEW bike and be dealing with something like corrosion. Honda should foot the bill to replace any corroded part on a new bike.
EnglishBikerDan yeah that’s one of the downsides of the SW Motech service. Hopefully they’ll add a service in the future where you don’t have to send in your existing seat.
I didn't notice the problems in pipe in engine you mentioned,idk if they fixed it i have an 2023 cb 650 r.I agree with seats, traction control idk the most in Greece tell me its useful and helps if you have low experience.Thank you for your video
Cheers for the video Dan. That’s my experience with mid weigh recent Honda’s too. Some good stainless steel parts on them and others which are painted but rust rapidly, lots of bolts which should be stainless and are not. My mate’s 2018 NC750X is suffering badly with it. It’s put me off Honda which has always been my preferred brand. They need to sort this out or will lose customers. On my recent Honda, no amount of rust inhibitor is keeping it off!
Surprising they don't standardise on stainless fasteners for all exposed fittings knowing how much the price of stainless has dropped in recent years. The effect on the overall sale price of the bike would absolutely minimal and would instantly dispel any bad reviews for premature corrosion. I often buy stainless fasteners in my work for machine building, when buying in bulk, they basically cost the same as plated mild steel. It's only retail buyers that have to pay a premium for 304/316, not OEM producers like Honda.
I bought my first bike about 1 1/2 year ago, a Honda MSX125 which I have really enjoyed owning. I'll be doing to full licence next year then planning to get either Rebel 500 or CB300R. I've watched your review on the Rebel which I enjoyed, are you planning to review the CB300R? Thanks
Last year I got a new Forza 300 and under all the panels the frame was rusty at every weld. I complained to them about it. they didn’t do anything I don’t think Honda quality is what it used to be
rust problems can be solved easy, seat can be modified easy, Traction Control can be disabled and lamp design each to their own.. Only real issue is the dark display in sunny days
Rust on a brand-new motorcycle with zero miles is a problem, however, you try to spin it. Yes, other issues can be fixed, but I like to highlight things I find on bikes.
To me that seems like a list of winges. The LCD is fine (all be it on my CBR), not got any issues with rust (although a liberal coating of XCP has been applied) and as for the tail. Get rid of it for a tail tidy and it is vastly improved. Also pyramid plastics do a hugger extension which solves the rear spray issue.
Bottom right corner. You're welcome. Tail tidy is useless unless you want to get soaked and flood under the pillion seat where the charger is. Tail tidy won't fix the crap looking rear light. It literally looks identical to my 1996 ZX7R rear light. So generic looking. Meh!
EnglishBikerDan so you literally read nothing of what I said. The standard tail does nothing to stop spray. The hugger extension does. Actually I think the rear light really suits the bike once the tail has gone. Bottom right?
I don't get why people complain this much about the display. If set to full brightness I don't have any issues with readability even in bright sunlight. Maybe they increased the brightness with later models? Bought mine end of last year.
same. Mine is an August 2019 build and its fine on a sunny day. Could also be something to do with a riders eye condition? Maybe some of us are more sensitive to daylight than others. Regardless, the display should be brighter if this is even a complaint from one user.
Dan excellent reviews on the CB650R especially when we see after a period the things that you hate. Riding some of my local roads and wonder if i have seen you around. Now my questions is this........What about the XSR 700 against the CB650R? Have you tried the XSR? I know you have the MT07 but would the XSR700 change your mind? I ride an original 03 BMW F650 GS Dakar and want a change back to either a Yamaha or Honda, which though? Thoughts?
Thanks, yeah perhaps, I'm always out and about! I've not ridden the XSR but it seems to be very similar technically. Many people still complain about the suspension but there's no denying that engine is fun! I'd say test ride both and get the one you prefer. Ride safe! EBD ✌️
Wow, thank you, i am buying this bike this month and i really did not expected that corosion :O. If i will see it on my motorbike i will demand change the part for free.
That corrosion in ,such a new bike is not accepable, justo for example, my sh300i with 10years old 60000k riding all year round still holds the same radiator hose clips rust free...
Hi Dan, great review and I'm looking forward to picking up my low mileage nearly new model. However mine will not come with a screen and the one on this bike looks ideal. Can you reply with a link to the manufacturer or some details please.
The cb650r is a really nice bike, but I rode one for a few days and got really annoyed by how easy it was to engage neutral when I wanted 2nd gear. I the. Decided to go the extra mile and get a VFR800x and the same doesn’t happen.
Every bike feels different and it takes more than a few days to feel natural. My first test ride on this bike was disastrous, every gear shift felt jolty and like I was about to break it. Within a week, I realised I was riding it like my previous bike and wasn't tuned in to the new machine. Now, everything feels silky smooth.
They should have put the 650r engine in the 2022 cb 500f chassis. It’s much nicer looking. Sharper angles nicer front head light and a much nicer looking rear end.
OK, so cb650r for ¥979,000 or rebel 1100 for ¥1,100,000? I'm 5'11, 235lb, live in metro Japan(so 30km~60km speed limits unless you get on a toll road, then you're up to maybe 120km), lane filtering at stoplights are legal so bike width is a factor, most rides will be around 30 minutes, maybe up to an hour, and then occasionally up to 2 hours, and maybe once a quarter for all day rides. My previous bike was a ktm Duke 390. I've trained on a Harley 650, I've test ridden a Diavel(loved it, can't afford it) and I've ridden another small cruiser and naked. I'm leaning towards the rebel 1100. I'm planning on it I can, to test ride each. What's your opinion?
See that’s really odd, about the dash?? My Honda CBR500R 2019 model has the same dash but in high light intensity the numbers on the dash light up depending on the level of light intensity like I said. But yeah the CBR500R dash seems waaay brighter than your CB650r unless that’s just your camera?
TheDevonRider I have the cbr 650 r and I have no problem with the dash, probably it’s a problem with the naked model because the dash it’s not “covered” by anything
It's a shame they don't fit stainless hose fittings but you can replace them if needs be for very little cost. As with any bike they need protection from the elements. All my bikes are treated with a light oil such as GT85 or DoubleTT, muckoff also do an excellent motorcycle protectant spray. All of this is better and cheaper that ACF50 too. The really vulnerable bits can be treated with waxoil, especially in winter.
My bike came with corroded clamps as new. Minor issue mind you. My bikes always get a generous covering of ACF50 as winter approaches. It's not foolproof but it helps!
@@RichardsModellingAdventures Oh I'm sure he has a lot to say knowing Stuart. I personally prefer to try things for myself and if they work, that's what I use. Which is why I still use ACF50. Many ways to skin a cat though, as they say!
Sounds like the CB300R is better in every aspect, with it not having any if these issues. With the CB300R being especially comfy for rider and pillion.., according to reviews and me having sat in both bikes. The three bikes on my mind for my next bike, which I find the comfiest are the BMW R1250R(ridden), GSX-S 750(Sat on), and the CB300R 👌
@@Englishbikerdan my fiancee has a 2012 Hornet 600 and it's great, it's new predecessor the CB650F looks great and looks like it's much more comfortable (has the power you'd want to) :)
Hey Dan, I do think you have a problem with your dash, I do see pretty well on mine either with direct sun light or not. From here it seems yours is at the minimum level of light. The rear headlight is beautiful, though the rear could be a little bit more edgier/pointiest/sharper. Corrosion? No problem so far. Saddle ? It’s good, for a commuter bike The main issue I have is the vibration at 6k and the lack of power right about the same rpm..
At least the rust is just on the pipe clamps and not the rear swing arm like the MT07. I have the same rusty cooling pipe clamps on my cb500f 2015 model .
Yeah I would have been happy to pay the extra for a TFT, not to mention that the ABS cuts in way to early under heavy braking. Plus I can never find the horn when I need it !!!
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Completely agree with the dashboard, even the 125cc version of the bike has a much clearer display
@His Masters Voice Lol, ok little man.
I'm support you
Would you say this can be a decent begginner bike?
Love my CB650R as well. Agree with everything here, especially the seat. One to add, which is also very minor: give us an oil window. The dipstick should be a thing of the past on most bikes.
Yeah, my CB300F has an oil window. Surprised this doesn't.
Wot? Crazy that it doesn't have an oil window 0.0
@@phreenom thats crazy, my cbr 500r has one
Until I read your comment I never thought of that, My last two bikes had a window but i still never even realised my honda doesn't till you mentioned it. G whizz, I'm actually gonnna have to dip the stick.
Dipsticks better why fix what wasn’t broken
I managed to have a better experience with the dash by putting a non reflective screen protector on it. Not perfect, but means I can always see the speedo
same, check out speedo-angels anti-glare screen protectors
Same here
Yep, i did the same, improves it to a point where I never can't read the important stuff.
Speedo angels here too.
As you know, I own one of these aswell. And I absolutely love it! Done 13 000km on it and I must comment on your 5 list.
Yep, the dash...even at brightest setting it's just not bright enough. But at the same time, it's very rare that I can't read it.
Corrosion? Nope, no problems on mine.
Seat? It's one of the best without looking like a sofa. But I do have to stop for various reasons anyway every hour or so. (lower the pegs!)
Traction control? Works fine on mine. Just lucky or are you unlucky?
Rear light...I think it looks so good!
Things I do not like:
Yellow spring...yak! (painted it!)
Front mudguard...yak! (changed it for one in aluminium)
Front headlight...it's just not good enough at the edges, 20 past to 40 past, riding in nighttime. Except 30 past-ish. So there are dark patches going in the curves and that's not good at all!
Otherwise I love the bike! Thank you Dan!
was not happy with the headlight at night unless I turned my hi beams on - until I adjusted my low beam. I cranked it up a few turns and realized it was just not aimed correctly from the shoo
I'm sure we have our own list for things we hate, this is just mine! Thanks for watching, yes, the yellow spring was a really odd choice but I think it's just something they already had laying about so went with it.
@@vintagerealityvr Mine too!
@@Englishbikerdan True! A bit worrying about the corrosion though...
How dod you paint the rear shock? Took it off?
“Glad” to know mine isn’t the only one with corrosion problems. Absolutely in love with this bike though
I took my Mod1 and Mod2 tests on the CB650R and I really loved it - can confirm the gash-dash, surprised at the build quality though! Great vid Dan!
Done mine on a kawasaki er6n saw the Honda at the test centre instantly fell in love with its looks and colour. Lookin at getting one once I've sold my dirt bike
I wish I could ride this bike, it's my dream bike at the moment and it looks beutiful. That being said I'm only 16 and a while away from getting a motorbike but the honda cb650r is drop dead gorgeous and I'm sure it would be a amazing bike for a beginner.
The in-line 4 of this bike is the sweetest of any I’ve ever heard even with stock exhaust. That’s where 80% of the money is.
I’m just about to buy one of these, best bike I’ve test ridden after buying a cruiser and never enjoyed it the whole time I had it. Thanks for posting, you haven’t put me off 😅
Did my test on this exact bike and that indicator position took at least 5% of my brain power at all times to not beep the horn at each junction...... if I owned it I’m sure I would adapt to the odd position but just jumping on for a test was a bit of a challenge!
Yeah took me a while. If you watch my first test ride video of this and the CBR650R I keep giving accidental horn! 😂 Totally used to it now 1 year on.
What annoys me most on my CB650R is the button layout on the left handle. I don't like that rocker switch for the lights, I often flash the high beams when I want to switch from high to low beam. Honda should have put the flash where the HSTC switch is.
And the switch for the horn is hard to reach quickly.
Other than that I'm very happy with the bike.
The subject I avoid thinking about for my bike... But deep down i know, nothing is perfect...
Shes still beautiful bro!
Agree with all of these comments. My CB doesn't seem to have the rusting steel fittings but maybe mines is made in Asia.
I changed the seat right away making It a little more comfortable and styled it to fit the red.
Oh yeah... whack that end tail off and have the plate hanging off by brackets. Suits the back light a little better
For you display:
You could use a matte display protector✌🏻
It's scratch resistant and also looks cool
Speed Angels might make an anti-glare, scratch and UV protection overlay. Like one on a smart phone.
CORRECTION: it’s Speedo Angels
@@gwynnromano5881 Yeh they do makes a real difference.
Been commenting this on every video I see mentioning the dash. It's hard to overstate how much better it is without the glare.
I like your front wind shield man, thats make the front look amazing. 👍
I had the CBR650 and I couldn't get with the vibration of the engine. It would numb my hands and feet...wild for an i4. Gearing felt strange to me too. Hopped onto a new SV650, glad I did.
Really agree with the riding to the conditions and don't rely on the riding aids.
I've been riding for 30 years and it's my 7th bike, best one ever. Maybe except for the dash.
Looking at getting my first bike really soon. Getting an a2 license, so it's between a ~5-6k euro 2018-2021 cb500f (or similar), or a 2020 cb650f for about 9k after the cost of the a2 kit. Since it's my first bike ever, I'm a bit scared of getting something more expensive since it will probably end up in the ground, but at the same time, it's only 30% more expensive than a normal a2 bike where I live.
I agree with the seat and corrosion on hose clip under..but its manageable. I modified the seat at upholstery.
Sincere, honest and straight to the point review. I am planning to purchase sometime soon among this bike, the KTM 650 and the Kawasaki Z650 2020, I hope I can find a review on the 2 other bikes such as this..thank you, keep up the good work! Kudos!
No one mention motto Guzzi Gas Gas and Aprilia
I thought the same about the screen when I rode and did a review, much to some owner's annoyance. Agree with the seat as well, but this is a common trait a lot of bikes have these days!!! Still loving my MT07 which was my preferred choice of the 2..........:D. Cheers Dan
About dash: i put a non-reflective protective film on it and it’s a lot more visible during day now. My bike stand out in rain often and I also dont have any corrosion issue. I had to check after your video! I am from korea and i got 14,000km on it. Maybe different areas have different set ups? We dont have any blue ones available afterall.
In the UK the roads get salted during the winter and it stays around until even April when the rain sprays it all over your bike. Last year I bought a Japanese Domestic Market Subaru 13 years old and no corrosion at all. I understand that the Japanese don’t salt their roads. 👍🏻
@@leewatkeys9065 Probably why then. You need at least 3-4 good heavy rains to wash the salt off the roads. I live in Canada so I'm well versed in salted roads and what they do to vehicles.
UA-cam voice coming on strong buddy!! ;-)
The what now?
Fee there’s a certain way youtubers talk in their videos, kinda like news anchors
@@Fee.1 Don't sweat it. Phil is a good friend of mine so he knows I don't talk this way in 'real life'. Damn UA-cam voice and I don't even know I'm doing it.
@@Englishbikerdan ye aha, you're talking like 'mrwhosetheboss' in this vid
to fix the dash buy a matt smartphone screen protector. just buy the largest you can find and trim it. I have a macbook 13 mate screen protector for that)
I love the look of this bike! There is a used 2020 at a dealer an hour from where I live for a fair asking price. This problem with the rust though has me nervous. I live in Florida on the coast and as you can imagine things rust here.
I wouldn’t do it. Just a problem waiting to happen
The 1000 also suffers from easily rusting welds. Mine's 1,5 years old and is starting to get rusty on the exhaust. The welds under the tank also suffer from it, not even sure how as that area remains dry.
That shade of blue is to die for.
We always get shafted with limited color options in the US.
True , it surprises me USA misses out on some great cars and bikes. For such a big market it is strange. 🤔🤔🤔
I have the same issue with rust but mine is on the frame in less than 9 months. Not quite what I expected at all from honda.
The rust on mine is bad it's on the engine and the frame. The water pipes at the very bottom are completely rusted the paint on the frame seems to rub of where the pillion seat sits engine bolts are rusted as well I would have thought they would be stainless and last longer . This is my first Honda I have owned looks like it will be my last unless Honda fixes this mess.
Do you live or work close to the sea? Do you ride on roads they are de-iced using salt? Do you park outside where it frequently rains? I feel these will all have an impact on how much corrosion you're seeing.
@@TheCuriousOrbs I dont live near the see, the bike is garaged, I do have to ride it in salted roads sadly. I bought this bike in the middle of summer a month after I bought it there was rust on it no salt on the road yet. My bike gets treated with acf50 quite regularly in winter aswell I do not feel like the paint should be coming of a brand new bike.
@@davidcolquhoun4368 I'm having the same issues, I use acf50 every second weekend now, which I know is overkill. I have been out in salf but gets a really good wash after, also lives outside but is covered when not in use, overall pretty disappointed with the build quality, I don't expect rust after a year even if it was next to the sea...🤞 Honda sorts it out when they come off furlough.
@@alasdairmathieson4130 ACF50 is not as good as some people claim. Use a light machine oil such as Double TT or GT85. Apply after every wash. Use Waxoil on the really vulnerable parts in Winter, remove it in spring with White spirit.
Thank you Dan. Good vid. What I hate are the two bulky air vents either side of the tank. Aesthetically unpleasant. Would like to just get rid. Seat agreed, not only hard but also the cover looks plastic/ fake. But I love this bike!
I like those. I pretend they are missile launchers and I blow up idiot drivers. 😁
I don`t have issue with rust, or I don`t have yet, agree on the rest of the things, but I still love it!
Completely agree.. tail light and dashboard are what stopping me from buying this one..
Got one as well! Love so much, just find it a little twitchy in 2nd gear.
same with my cbr500r
Not about bikes (please don't shoot me, I am a biker) but I have owned 3 Honda cars over the years. The first was a Civic, beautifully built in Japan as Car magazine used to say, but I just couldn't find a comfortable seating position so it had to go. Next was a 2 litre petrol auto CRV, which I think was also made in Japan. That was a great car but very thirsty on long autoroute trips through France and with a small fuel tank. Traded that for one of the new shape diesel CRVs when they came out. This one was built in Swindon I believe. Within a couple of months most of the hose clips under the bonnet were going rusty. At the first 12 month service the rear discs had to be skimmed because they were so rusty - and as I later discovered this was because the rear brakes were never actually coming on, so the pads never scrubbed the discs. The final straw was a complete flattening of the battery in 2 1/2 weeks when the car was left in a long term airport car park and I was overseas for work. Later, I measured the "standing current" drain from the battery and sure enough it would flatten it in that time. Not impressed Mr Honda.
Thanks for sharing.. I think that maybe we all have the same problem with the dash's light/brightness
This is a very helpful video as the CB650R is what I'm eyeing to get after I pass my A2 license.
Might wait for the 2021 model to see whether they'll upgrade the dash and electronics like the Kawasaki Z650 & Z900
Also found rust on mine, a few bolts that was allready coated black from new and not touched.
One thing I dont like is the throttling, its difficult to avoid jerking when engaging and disengaging the throttle. Allthough this is my first bike so I dont have anything to compare with, maybe its just me?
I have the latest CB500X with the same dash. And I 100% agree. It seems pointless to have this display when it can't be read. It surely wouldn't have cost much more to have gone with the TFT style displays.
I've owned three Hondas over the years. I've found the engines to be bulletproof, but boring. I now prefer two cylinder engines. This bike is fairly expensive for a 650 so I am very surprised at Honda. Thanks for highlighting these issues.
Expensive in some places but not all. In the UK this bike is such good value. In other countries it makes less sense. IL4 engines are just different to twins. I find running out of revs on some middleweight twins annoying, so prefer higher reving engines such as IL4's. There's still plenty to love about this bike though, which will be shown in another video.
While it is a 650cc bike the top speed is crazy…
When I was looking to buy my first bike last fall it was between the Honda CB650R and the Yamaha MT07. I didn't know about the corrosion issue or the traction control but I agree with everything else. I went for the Yamaha MT07 because I thought it is better then the Honda in the dash and the build quality as the Yamaha is made in Japan and it is much cheaper. Not to mention the Yamaha has more power as well.
My corrosion issues were much worse on my MT07. Swing arm and coolant pipes corrode so badly. At least the Honda only has hose clamps that corrode.
@@Englishbikerdan I'm hoping they addressed that on the 2018 model.
@@mohammedrahman3447 Definitely not.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the bike. Safe riding!
Seems the 2024 did fix some of these issues: proper auto color changing TFT display, and a way nicer tail
Yeah, a few nice updates now.
Just got my CB650R; same on all hose clamps showing rust.
Coming from riding a 2004 R6 for 10 years... I found the CB650R adequate but not exciting... was great for commuting... lots of vibration at first but now has settled down some... I had a CB300R and found that bike way more fun to ride.... except on the fwy
Yeah, even old R6's are super sports machines. The 650 is just a comfy naked with a nice revvy engine. Still, we like what we like. Cheers!
I fully share your point of view for the seat, this is my number 1 of bad things on my CB, the dash is also a weak point a tft would have been better but I put a protective film and globally I am always able to see it.
For the rear end, I removed the tail plate holder and put the topblock one close to the rear wheel, looks much better now like the bigger sister CB1000R, that's it for me alĺ the rest is perfect for me, I have no rust issue, just the chrome of the header seems to be not first quality...
You can add bar end mirrors to give it a new look.
Just over a year ago I had a CB125R, it had the a similar type of inverted LCD dash. Yes it was a nightmare to see in bright sunlight. Suzuki manage to put on an old school LCD on their SV650 that is perfectly visible in bright sunlight . Maybe the Suzuki one doesn't look as "cool" , but well I'd rather be able to see how fast I'm going !
I was looking at this motorcycle before I passed my test, absolutely love the look of this machine, the style is just something else, the bullet proof engine, basically a new Hornet which I was admiring since I was a teenager.
But one thing that put me off getting it ,was the fact that its made in Thailand, 7000£ made in Thailand....???!!!
Ended up getting 2017 XSR 900... For the same money with 1860 miles on...
I believed a Japanese bike should be made and put together in Japan...
To me it doesn't matter where a bike is made. My MT07 was fun but a rusty unreliable heap and that was made in Japan.
EnglishBikerDan Well, as you mentioned in this video, they used cheaper materials nowadays on those bikes... hence the corrosion...
It’s a pity really , because the bike is beautiful ... ACF50 all year round then ... :)
I see MT07 used by motorcycling schools, that’s the bike I have passed my test on...
You really consider them unreliable?
I agree on the seat. Like the CB250r, it will become really uncomfortable after an hour on road. What I did tho, I added sponge in it and it work.
I was looking at trading my 2011 hornet for one last year, didn’t do it , just couldn’t find the extra value in the cb650 to justify it.
I was watching this video and I was shocked when I saw the rusted parts. My 2009 Hornet does not have as much corrosion and its ridden all year, even in the rain. I guess even with the Honda the quality is not what it used to be for the middleweight class. The 2007+ Hornets were made in Italy.
mifili64 exactly, mine is literally mint, not a spot of rust on her
I've had around 5 Hornets. 1998 up to around 2010. Great bikes. The rust was only a couple of hose clamps so not anything major. However, to see that on a bike with 0 miles isn't good QA. Just hope they pick these points up.
Agreed on the corrosion Dan. And that’s after bathing the bike in ACF50! I actually don’t mind the dash and the seat......what annoys me though..... and it’ll be the reason for getting shot of the bike is the fact that it’s a bit slow. 🤣
The power never bothered me, I've done the mega-powerful bike thing in my 20's. It's no rocket but it's still quick enough for fun. Plus I love how it screams at the top, so addictive!
ACF50 is crap. There are cheaper and better products to protect a bike
Good post. I agree the dash gets lost very easily, I don't like the way it's set out with the rev counter either. The traction control seemed to do nothing when I tried one on all settings. The seat is typical Honda, They need to get on top of that. It's almost like they make them uncomfortable on purpose. Like you say - it's still a good bike. 👍🍻🏍️
1. Dash - I don't know why, but I love this dash over MT 07
I set it only 4/5 brightness, and it's been working great here (Bangkok Thailand) where it is always Sunny hot
2. Traction control - I always have it off anyway. I only turn it on when riding on wet road / rain
I used to ride a Harley, so I'm used to riding without any traction control
3. Corrosion - don't see any for me. only factory fault found on mine was the front right fork leaking oil, inspected at 1,000 km service
The dealership made the claim and changed me a new one within a week
I heard MT 07 had more corrosion problem. Never heard of that on any CB / CBR 650 R here
4. Seat - yes, stock seat not comfortable for long ride. I had a local shop installed gels on both the rider and pillion stock seat
about US $ 90 total, and it makes a BIG different.
5. Tail brake lights - I don't really care 😗
I have annoying problem shifting from 1st to 2nd gear, often hitting in Neutral
2nd to 1st gear shift many times I have to kick down hard or it only crank down to Neutral
sometimes i keep finding fault Neutral between any gears 3 to 5th when using Quick shifter
Can't wait to see new generation of MT 07. If they improve the suspension, I might consider trading in after 4-5 years
That's because over here in Europe we have to salt on the roads in winter to combat ice and snow and rust is caused by that combination of salt and wet , not a combination i think you get in Thailand .
Ah I see. But at least the roads are good there no? Roads here are so bad, that's why CB 500 X is top sales
I was already read-up and warned about the dim dash display, but after bumping up the brightness to maximum, even the Sydney midday sun didn't kill it. I've never seen a TFT display so maybe that would spoil me for it somewhat. And yes, the mild steel hose clamps are already starting to tarnish after just 6 months, easy enough to swap out for stainless if they get much worse I guess. My only pet peeve on the bike is the way the traction control randomly switches off and stays off (love to hear from others having the same issue). I'm inclined to think that my LH glove is catching the lever when the clutch is pulled and have even toyed with the idea of taking to it with a Dremel to shorten the plastic activator switch a few millimetres. Hmmmm... other than that, Can't fault this bike. A pleasure to own and ride.
Not had any issues with traction turning itself off, just the bipolar nature of it sometimes. I love this bike but no bike is perfect.
These are all great pointers for using when haggling at the Showroom
Exactly the video I was waiting from you! Thanks a lot :)
Thank you bro for the honest review for this bike. Im hoping that you will have a review also for the Suzuki Gsxs750 Japan
got a 2009 hornet made in italy, it lives outside and has ten british winters under its belt, the build quality is awesome, hardly any rust at all.
Had a few of those myself. Excellent bikes
Elo Dan once again, I've got my triumph so sorry no comment on your bike. Just a reminder about part 2 of your Euro trip cant wait to see that take care ride safe mate
Hate is a strong word! I don’t have an issue with the dash, rear light or the traction control to be honest, but I’m with you on the seat and I am quite disappointed with the corrosion on the clips. Given the price point though, I have no huge complaints.
Yeah but YT probably won't recommend a video that says "5 things that mildy disgruntle me". It's for the viewwwwwws. The shame. :D
EnglishBikerDan 🤣 The things a man must do...
What do you think will be a better choice cb650r or mt09? I cannot decide for myself =(
I have an mt09. It was basically my first bike. It is flashed with full exhaust and nitron suspension. How does your bike compares to the mt09?
MT09 has a bonkers engine, way more than the CB650R but the suspension on the MT09 is awful. Really let's the bike down. Easily rectified though with some springs heavier fork oil and a Nitron rear shock. Enjoy your wheelie Machine! 👍
@@Englishbikerdan from watching your mt09 review I could tell that you were not very impressed with the mt09. I love the look of the cb650r and even thought of selling my mt09 and getting a cb650r but I really like the power of the mt09 and once it is flashed it becomes very smooth. I ride on A mode all the time.
I bought one 3 weeks ago 2020, and I love everything on this bike, I am just adding the windshield, sliders, changing the brake and clutch, exhaust guard, light shield, radiator guard and after that nothing else I like the way it is.
Nice! Enjoy the bike. 👍
Do you think people should look for the used cb1000r baracuda instead?
Hi mate, where’s part 2 of your euro trip 😜👍
Still in editing I'm afraid!
EnglishBikerDan , takes time mate as I know, did you get to watch and of my Spain trip vids? Ive run out of things to film, desperate to get back on the road 😬
I'm looking hard at this bike, and it's absolutely on my list. While some of these gripes are subjective, the corrosion issue isn't. It's completely unacceptable that a customer would spend THOUSANDS of their hard-earned dollars (or pounds) on a NEW bike and be dealing with something like corrosion. Honda should foot the bill to replace any corroded part on a new bike.
It's not ideal BUT, it is only a hose clip or two. It's nowhere else on the bike so far, nearly 2 years on in all weathers.
@@Englishbikerdan That's good.
Mate just send your seat in to SW Motech and have them increase the padding. I’m sure they do it for the 650r aswell 👍🏼
The problem is I use my bike almost everyday so I can't have any downtime.
EnglishBikerDan yeah that’s one of the downsides of the SW Motech service. Hopefully they’ll add a service in the future where you don’t have to send in your existing seat.
I didn't notice the problems in pipe in engine you mentioned,idk if they fixed it i have an 2023 cb 650 r.I agree with seats, traction control idk the most in Greece tell me its useful and helps if you have low experience.Thank you for your video
Cheers for the video Dan. That’s my experience with mid weigh recent Honda’s too. Some good stainless steel parts on them and others which are painted but rust rapidly, lots of bolts which should be stainless and are not. My mate’s 2018 NC750X is suffering badly with it. It’s put me off Honda which has always been my preferred brand. They need to sort this out or will lose customers. On my recent Honda, no amount of rust inhibitor is keeping it off!
It seems to be very hit and miss. My CB500X was perfect and I had that over a year.
3 year old NC750S run all year but no rust on mine, luckily...
The NC also has a hard seat, partly because the slope forces your gonads on to the tank and partly because it is hard!
Surprising they don't standardise on stainless fasteners for all exposed fittings knowing how much the price of stainless has dropped in recent years. The effect on the overall sale price of the bike would absolutely minimal and would instantly dispel any bad reviews for premature corrosion. I often buy stainless fasteners in my work for machine building, when buying in bulk, they basically cost the same as plated mild steel. It's only retail buyers that have to pay a premium for 304/316, not OEM producers like Honda.
I bought my first bike about 1 1/2 year ago, a Honda MSX125 which I have really enjoyed owning. I'll be doing to full licence next year then planning to get either Rebel 500 or CB300R. I've watched your review on the Rebel which I enjoyed, are you planning to review the CB300R? Thanks
It's thailand build, and my 2022 CB650R doesn't have these issues. The tailunit design is solved for 35,- on amazon.
Last year I got a new Forza 300 and under all the panels the frame was rusty at every weld. I complained to them about it. they didn’t do anything I don’t think Honda quality is what it used to be
I really hate that it doesnt have a sight glass for the oil level or inserts for swing arm spools
rust problems can be solved easy, seat can be modified easy, Traction Control can be disabled and lamp design each to their own.. Only real issue is the dark display in sunny days
Rust on a brand-new motorcycle with zero miles is a problem, however, you try to spin it. Yes, other issues can be fixed, but I like to highlight things I find on bikes.
To me that seems like a list of winges. The LCD is fine (all be it on my CBR), not got any issues with rust (although a liberal coating of XCP has been applied) and as for the tail. Get rid of it for a tail tidy and it is vastly improved. Also pyramid plastics do a hugger extension which solves the rear spray issue.
Bottom right corner. You're welcome. Tail tidy is useless unless you want to get soaked and flood under the pillion seat where the charger is. Tail tidy won't fix the crap looking rear light. It literally looks identical to my 1996 ZX7R rear light. So generic looking. Meh!
EnglishBikerDan so you literally read nothing of what I said. The standard tail does nothing to stop spray. The hugger extension does. Actually I think the rear light really suits the bike once the tail has gone.
Bottom right?
@@Englishbikerdan I was happy with the tail light until you mentioned a twin circular pair. Now I will forever see the ass of this bike as dated.
The guage cluster would be easier to read with an orange backlight and text color in black.
Looking forward to getting mine one soon, just wonder would you mind having a video the shows how bright the headlight is?
Maybe u should use semi transparent windshield to provide more shades to your dash..i think its common problem for cb
I don't get why people complain this much about the display. If set to full brightness I don't have any issues with readability even in bright sunlight. Maybe they increased the brightness with later models? Bought mine end of last year.
I'm guessing they may have changed the brightness level. Mine on full brightness is really dull.
same. Mine is an August 2019 build and its fine on a sunny day. Could also be something to do with a riders eye condition? Maybe some of us are more sensitive to daylight than others. Regardless, the display should be brighter if this is even a complaint from one user.
Dan excellent reviews on the CB650R especially when we see after a period the things that you hate. Riding some of my local roads and wonder if i have seen you around.
Now my questions is this........What about the XSR 700 against the CB650R? Have you tried the XSR? I know you have the MT07 but would the XSR700 change your mind? I ride an original 03 BMW F650 GS Dakar and want a change back to either a Yamaha or Honda, which though? Thoughts?
Thanks, yeah perhaps, I'm always out and about! I've not ridden the XSR but it seems to be very similar technically. Many people still complain about the suspension but there's no denying that engine is fun! I'd say test ride both and get the one you prefer. Ride safe! EBD ✌️
Try the short license plate holder and a cover for the rear seat, it will give the bike a completley different look
Had the tail tidy and removed it. Useless for commuting in wet weather.
@@Englishbikerdan ah okay makes sense , wet weather in the uk 😆
@@fiderallala7541 Yep, you just have a wet arse all the time! :D
Wow, thank you, i am buying this bike this month and i really did not expected that corosion :O. If i will see it on my motorbike i will demand change the part for free.
That corrosion in ,such a new bike is not accepable, justo for example, my sh300i with 10years old 60000k riding all year round still holds the same radiator hose clips rust free...
GO GSXS750
Hi Dan, great review and I'm looking forward to picking up my low mileage nearly new model. However mine will not come with a screen and the one on this bike looks ideal. Can you reply with a link to the manufacturer or some details please.
The cb650r is a really nice bike, but I rode one for a few days and got really annoyed by how easy it was to engage neutral when I wanted 2nd gear. I the. Decided to go the extra mile and get a VFR800x and the same doesn’t happen.
Every bike feels different and it takes more than a few days to feel natural. My first test ride on this bike was disastrous, every gear shift felt jolty and like I was about to break it. Within a week, I realised I was riding it like my previous bike and wasn't tuned in to the new machine. Now, everything feels silky smooth.
Very good info.But corrosion on new bike is very annoying thing.
They should have put the 650r engine in the 2022 cb 500f chassis. It’s much nicer looking. Sharper angles nicer front head light and a much nicer looking rear end.
OK, so cb650r for ¥979,000 or rebel 1100 for ¥1,100,000? I'm 5'11, 235lb, live in metro Japan(so 30km~60km speed limits unless you get on a toll road, then you're up to maybe 120km), lane filtering at stoplights are legal so bike width is a factor, most rides will be around 30 minutes, maybe up to an hour, and then occasionally up to 2 hours, and maybe once a quarter for all day rides. My previous bike was a ktm Duke 390. I've trained on a Harley 650, I've test ridden a Diavel(loved it, can't afford it) and I've ridden another small cruiser and naked.
I'm leaning towards the rebel 1100. I'm planning on it I can, to test ride each. What's your opinion?
See that’s really odd, about the dash?? My Honda CBR500R 2019 model has the same dash but in high light intensity the numbers on the dash light up depending on the level of light intensity like I said. But yeah the CBR500R dash seems waaay brighter than your CB650r unless that’s just your camera?
TheDevonRider I have the cbr 650 r and I have no problem with the dash, probably it’s a problem with the naked model because the dash it’s not “covered” by anything
It's a shame they don't fit stainless hose fittings but you can replace them if needs be for very little cost. As with any bike they need protection from the elements. All my bikes are treated with a light oil such as GT85 or DoubleTT, muckoff also do an excellent motorcycle protectant spray. All of this is better and cheaper that ACF50 too. The really vulnerable bits can be treated with waxoil, especially in winter.
My bike came with corroded clamps as new. Minor issue mind you. My bikes always get a generous covering of ACF50 as winter approaches. It's not foolproof but it helps!
@@Englishbikerdan I'm not a fan if ACF50 at all. Overrated, over priced IMHO
@@RichardsModellingAdventures Works for me and a little goes a really long way. Still using the same bottle 4 years on! 😁
@@Englishbikerdan watch this one by Stuart ua-cam.com/video/rnZaVVrloQE/v-deo.html
@@RichardsModellingAdventures Oh I'm sure he has a lot to say knowing Stuart. I personally prefer to try things for myself and if they work, that's what I use. Which is why I still use ACF50. Many ways to skin a cat though, as they say!
The most worrying defect would be the build quality. Having rusty components is just poor. Very disappointing for a Honda.
Have you demoed the Suzuki GSXS-1000? Would be interested in your impressions. I rode a 2016 and it was nimble and fast. Fun.
Not yet, it's never really jumped out at me design wise.
Thanks for the evaluation really to get this bike soon. ATB
Just bought the cb650r! Now 2 weeks patience 🥴! My previeus bike was a Yamaha MT07
Good choice!
Why did you decide to swap it?
Sounds like the CB300R is better in every aspect, with it not having any if these issues. With the CB300R being especially comfy for rider and pillion.., according to reviews and me having sat in both bikes. The three bikes on my mind for my next bike, which I find the comfiest are the BMW R1250R(ridden), GSX-S 750(Sat on), and the CB300R 👌
A little single is just not going to cut it for me. The new 650 solves many of the gripes I had with mine.
@@Englishbikerdan my fiancee has a 2012 Hornet 600 and it's great, it's new predecessor the CB650F looks great and looks like it's much more comfortable (has the power you'd want to) :)
Totally agree with you about the seat.. It's a killer lol. Have you considered the Bagster Seat? Would love to see your opinion on it!
I have but it's too costly and I don't know if it would actually be any better. I might try a SW Motech Traveller seat add on.
Hey Dan, I do think you have a problem with your dash, I do see pretty well on mine either with direct sun light or not.
From here it seems yours is at the minimum level of light.
The rear headlight is beautiful, though the rear could be a little bit more edgier/pointiest/sharper.
Corrosion? No problem so far.
Saddle ? It’s good, for a commuter bike
The main issue I have is the vibration at 6k and the lack of power right about the same rpm..
Or maybe my eyes are the problem! :D
EnglishBikerDan get someone with the same bike and try it out 😁
I've already ridden 5 bikes with the same dash. It's the same on each on bright days 😭
EnglishBikerDan then I guess you’re looking too much at the dash Ahahahah
Safe rides 👊🏼✊🏼💨
At least the rust is just on the pipe clamps and not the rear swing arm like the MT07. I have the same rusty cooling pipe clamps on my cb500f 2015 model .
Amen!
Yeah I would have been happy to pay the extra for a TFT, not to mention that the ABS cuts in way to early under heavy braking. Plus I can never find the horn when I need it !!!
Yup, every time I need to use the horn I end up cancelling the indicators in anger! 😂
practice reaching your thumb for the horn every day at the lights for a few weeks. Muscle memory will soon kick in and it will feel much more natural.
@@TheCuriousOrbs Had the bike over a year now. Still happens. Had 15 years of the horn being in a different position. Tough habit to beat.
Good format this video 👍
I used to drive a 1995 cb400. I was very happy back then hahah
Ah the good ol' days! :D