The Deadly Stalking of Alice Ruggles
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Alice Ruggles lived in Gateshead, England, and had broken up with boyfriend Harry Dhillon. Harry Dhillon did not take the break up well. Texts, emails, voicemails graduated to hacking and stalking her at home. This then led to an ultimately horrific and tragic ending.
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Will never forget my mothers words when I was young and naive. When a man abuses you and come back to apologies with tears running down his face that you have to forgive and forget, because he loves you and cannot live without you...as soon as you see tears, run as hard as you can. He wasn't crying when he was hitting you so don't believe his tears when you are leaving him. He is just crying because there is no one to control when you leaves him. Thanks for the another heartfelt story Mike.
So, she basically told you to be unforgiving because... tears? odds are they haven't changed and would still be abusive, of course, but why tears of all things?
Also, they stick flowers and chocolate out like magic charms to make you submit, whether you like those things or not, because GOOD guys bring FLOWERS and Chocolates! Even while they are violating your privacy and coercing you, demanding interaction entirely without your consent, they think this PROVES they are 'sorry' and 'will be good'... and so you have to do what they want It shows a complete misunderstanding of what BEING A GOOD (person, friend, man, whatever) actually means-- trying to compel you against your will by performance of these culturally coded 'romantic' behaviors, and then, if you don't respond as their script dictates, they get angry and call you names. And the *worst* is when you get a cop who SNEERS and says so what's YOUR problem, you're complaining about CHOCOLATES? with obvious identification with the 'poor guy' who is supposedly 'trying so hard' to win you back, so what kind of cold mean b*ch are you? Cops in the States, statistically, are the most likely to be domestic abusers and very often view any amount of coercive behavior to MAKE a woman 'belong' to you as perfectly justified, even admirable proof of how MUCH he 'loves' you. (Gah, my own mother told me once that a boyfriend being extremely jealous was a compliment; her psychosocial orientation vis-a-vis gender and love was extremely unhealthy.)
Ur mother is entirely right! Great advice to give!
@@judithbradford9130 Good men don't hit, and great men spank--for her pleasure. BIG difference there.
Possessive men only cry if they feel they will lose their favorite toy (gf)
Her wee voice. she was frightened but still polite. God love her. this is one of the worst ones. stalking needs to be highlighted, its terrifying.
She betrayed her own rase by being with that Indian man. Sad that she died, but to her rase she was already dead because she would have procreated for the Indian rase. Sad.
Yes, that stood out to me too. 😔 She was so polite and kind and thanked them on her last call asking for help before she would be killed by him.
I was just about to make a comment on that, I noticed it too. That final thanks, bye broke my heart tbh
@It's 65dos I thought the same & my heart hurt for Her✨She is Dancing among The Stars in The Universe!!!
NO she’s not!
Get the truth from God instead of spreading trashy lies by Satan!
*Nothing says 'romance' quite like flowers, chocolates, and a voice message that expresses the emphatic absence of future homicidal intent.* 💐🍫❤
He literally said I’m not going to kill you at the end of the voicemail like 👍🏻 ok…… sure
And they say chivalry is dead
My stalker just wanted to kill my stepdad, kinda wish I'd let him now lol
Hey, the way you say it makes it sound like a bad thing! 🤣
@MusicMaster1987 XD
That PIN system is the stupidest thing I've heard. Surely informing the stalker that they've had the police called on them, but then not doing anything about it, is only going to piss them off more and set them loose on the person they're stalking?? Am I missing something?? How is that meant to help!?
I was thinking the same thing.
Almost the same with restraining orders. I went through absolute hell with my ex and restraining orders. I'm in US
I've heard these sorts of scenarios referred to as "murders in slow motion" and it's morbidly accurate. Rip Alice
Omg. So true and tragic.
Hauntingly accurate!
When you say murders in slow motion, what do you mean exactly? By the method of death as in the slit throat or the actual stalking?
@@shamkawow1 you don’t think the carefree part of her died while being stalked? Like, right before he legitimately killed her?
@@shamkawow1 I think they mean the slow escalation of abusive/antisocial behavior to murder. And everyone sees it coming only after the fact
He left neon signs that he would murder this poor young woman. The strength of her parents to go on to create a stalking and domestic violence foundation is awe inspiring, bless them.
@Alex F She lived in the UK, where as I understand it they are not allowed to own firearms. But I don't know for sure how it works there
@Alex F who keeps pepper spray in their bathroom? what is wrong with you?
@Alex F ahhhhh ok, you are trying to impress upon everyone that the women are to blame and in order to save themselves they need to carry weapons etc in their own private sanctuaries in case a deranged ex partner breaks in. I will reiterate from my previous comments to you on other posts. Teach boys/men to control themselves. Stop victim blaming.
@Alex F This is the UK. We aren't allowed to have guns and pepper spray on us
@Alex F this comes off as insensitive and victim-blamey
The fact he said “I don’t want to kill you” should have made them take it seriously. What normal person says that?
Exactly!
I know like so random to say if you’re not thinking it…
Yeah, it sounded like a warning- I dont wanna kill you, but if you keep ignoring me I have to
@@HowardMoon56 it was most likely to persuade her that his previous (undocumented in this video) threats weren't real/plausible/evident.
Yeah, it's not a rational train of thought. "Here's some chocolate and flowers..... and btw.... "
I was kidnapped by a guy when I was in college, 18, on a first date. I finally convinced him to take me home so I could grab medicine. This was a lie that I believe saved my life. I told the college and ironically the police station for the town was in the building of the school. They took a report. Told me there wasn't much else they could do. The school took him out of the one class we had together. He sat outside my home all day everyday for weeks. Then he went away. I was terrified and felt alone. 2 years later at a concert he was 2 rows behind me. I had a panic attack and left. I've never seen him since it's been 10 yrs. We need the police to take us more seriously. We need better protection. We need someone to care. Bless this poor girl and her family. Thanks for shedding light on this one Mike. Love ya! ❤️
I was also in college, maybe 21 or 22 at the time, when I had to partner up with a classmate on a graded project. I invited him to my apartment because he had loud family over. He brought a 12 pack of pepsi and a jug of whiskey. He drank at least a pint of whiskey with two pepsi's within an hour, and started professing his undying love. We had only started talking as classmates that week. I asked him to leave, and that I wasn't interested, but he wouldn't. I then switched it up by saying something like, "tell me about how you know so soon that we are meant to be together?" When he started rambling, I interrupted him and said I had to take my elderly dog out for a walk, and slipped my cell in my back pocket. From the grass outside, where the whole building could hear me, I yelled at him to get out of my apartment before I called the cops. He left. I told the professor and the counselors at the school and they removed him from the class and threatened him with expulsion if he spoke to me again.
It wasn't a kidnapping exactly, but I was definitely taken hostage for what felt like an eternity. Thankfully he got himself wasted pretty quickly and I knew I could pretend like everything was still cool long enough for me to get outside with my dog.
When I was 19 or 20 I had another similar situation with another science project and another guy who used the study time to try to talk me into sleeping with him. I shut him down really quickly and threatened to tell the professor if it happened again and he backed off. I should have turned him in, but didn't. I was pretty naive at the time and didn't realize how fucked up that was. I was prepared the next time with the next person.
I'm glad you got away and I'm sorry you were traumatized again seeing him at the concert later. You are not alone, and you are applauded for your bravery.
Omg so sorry to hear that. How was he not charged with kidnapping??
@@the_ravens_room thx. Idk . I was young and didn't really know how it all worked. Also small town college, police and courts all in same building. Also my parents weren't really the kind who did anything about it.
I don't understand how the police didn't do anything to help you! And it's situations like these that contribute to all the women who are taken and murdered bc they weren't taken seriously the first time they reported harassment and assault.
So you told the police or you told campus security? Because I’m almost positive the police would of served him with restraining order papers. Now campus security or police wouldn’t have been able to do anything because they’re not real police.
Like if you went on a date with him and he invited you to his place that’s not kidnapping.
🤷♂️
“I’m not intending to kill you” is exactly what someone who’s intending to kill you would say 😳 police really need to start taking these stalking reports more seriously… this beautiful soul was failed by the very system set to protect her and unfortunately she’s one of many.. 💔
“I’m not gonna rob you!”
-everybody ever asking for directions/to use your phone who intends on robbing you
Sadly she didn't get chance / didn't mention that part to the police....She'd said an ex with a PIN had left her chocolates and flowers and sadly didn't get to the part that he" wasn't going to kill her"
I'd hope had she, that would have rung alarm bells, but who knows. The police are often very limited until a crimes been committed that can be easily proven. And so often in these cases that's far too late.
Its not the job of police to prevent crime, its to deal with it after it happens.
@@jasonx-ray3921 racism is gross
@@jasonx-ray3921 The men who have abused me were all white so wtf man shut up
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I always find it disgusting how little cops do for people who are being stalked. What a sad story and this woman was always so nice with the cops...
probably because cops are just as controlling with their spouses so they see it as normal
Why would they help a woman who has betrayed her own Europid rase to be with an Indian man?
It's not the "cops". Its the laws. The cops can only enforce existing laws already in place by those in real power. The sad fact is matters like this are more reactive than proactive. It's messed up but its reality.
I was in a similar situation and police help me so much.
Because men get stalked every day. But then it's viewed as non threatning. So from where do you start?
The recording of the woman calling out for her friend broke my heart.
Friend of mine was stalked. She discovered that her ex-boyfriend was sneaking into her house every day while she was at work and just hanging around, taking naps in her bed, and then leaving before she got home. By the time she discovered it, he had been doing this for _months._ Creepy.
Was he arrested??
If you can't figure out your house has been entered by someone else, unauthorized, you have a big problem. I can just about identify people I know based on smell. And cigarettes, perfume, bo, all leave lingereing smells. Get a dog, they will alert you or deter people. Pluss dogs are just awesome.
@@snikrepak 🥳 victim blaming, woohoo! Woohoo!!🥳
@@snikrepak I'm gonna disagree. A stranger, yes. But someone who knows you intimately, knows your habits and probably spent time in your home would know what you would or wouldn't expect in your surroundings. Also, if you knew them and you were use to their smell, it wouldn't set off alarms.
I absolutely agree with getting a dog! And changing your locks. Lol
I would do an UV scan of the whole house if I were her, especially clothes.
It’s such a shame how women facing abuse and stalking are so unprotected by authorities. They failed her
To be fair no one facing abuse and stalking are protected by authorities.
She refused the help they offered, though. They cannot press charges unless she wanted to.
what did her family do to help her?
Agreed
@@Macroprosopus *if you're white. Plenty of black folks who have stood their ground that are in jail for doing so. One case in particular was similar to this...a woman who had contacted police MANY times about an abusive ex, who at one point tried to kill her...she shot him under "stand your ground" rules, and she was tossed in jail for murder.
It’s so sad to think in her last minutes, she wasn’t even surprised. She knew it was coming it was just a matter of when.
People like that dude, make me sick to the core. Scumbag at the highest level…..God bless Alice and her family
That’s horrible, to know you will die and yet no one will help. They should of at least help her leave the area so she could start a new under a new name, new identity even if they couldn’t stop him. Give her a chance to move across the states.
If she really thought he would slit her throat 6 times I am sure she would of been more serious as too change her address and name etc, but she was not thinking of the worst
She could have moved to her hometown, taken self defence classes, bought a gun.... Anything except just hope the police save her
@@--..__ Can't by a gun where she lives I believe. I think people have a lot of reliance on the police even if it's misplaced sometimes. I can see why someone that young would think the police could solve the problem.
Stalking is such an under rated crime. I’m always surprised at how many people seem to be unable to accept that someone would behave that way and don’t take the reporter seriously until there is violence
Stalking is a crime and the onus isn't on the victim to punish that crime (it never should be, a crime is a crime even if the victim refuses to press charges). It's so disappointing to see this happen again and again.
It’s horrifying. My ex was going to kill me, he called me every day (even found my new number) and told me. Police did nothing, he just died of an overdose before he could do anything. I felt the fear Alice felt and I wish I could hug her. She was so young.
There's a way to stop stalkers. It's NOT going to the Police. That much I can tell you for sure.
Police are literally the most useless individuals on the face of the planet. Imagin trusting your safety to them, and then thinking that it's someone else's fault you maid that decision.
My exex tried to reach me contacting my family and friends.
Than she started to make her family contact me. Her sister continuously calling and messaging me that she was getting drunk at night without returning home and threatening suicide.
I later found out that she did the same with her exes.
I mean unfortunately. “Stalking” in the way we use it, is not really a crime.
It’s kinda shitty. But the starker pretty much has to put them in danger before it actually becomes a crime.
@@rydz656 30% of the local population for me 80-90% of all sex crimes....a problem no one is willing to mention because they dont want to be considered racist for stating a fact.
imagine cheating and then feeling wronged because the person you cheated on doesn’t want to be bothered with you . i hope the worst is happening to him every minute of every day
The message where he’s crying gave me chills. My abusive ex husband used to cry like that after a volatile outburst, to get me to stay. Luckily I managed to extract myself from the situation many years ago. So frightening for poor Alice, you can hear she’s scared in her voice when she calls the police. They let her down badly. My heart goes out to her family 😢
my ex did that too...he would cry and sound like a child...he was a monster
Yes, I've seen and heard that pathetic little crying from grown men in my family when they are trying to manipulate someone.
My dad would scare the shit out of my mom (she spared me the specifics) and she'd try to leave. He'd drop to his knees and cling to her and cry and cry like a little boy, begging for forgiveness, said he'd never do it again...My mom learned reeeal fuckin' quick. She was only 18 when they got married and she escaped for good at 21. I don't even know why my dad was like that, his parents were such good people. Bad seed I guess. 😞
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. 100% those tears are just a tool for manipulation.
@@kimmyfreak200 I have experienced a "bad egg" too and find it so creepy that they all sound the same. First the helpless little boy crying and with every phone call the voice gets more demanding until there are threats and yells only and they go into full psycho mode!
"I can't look, I'm sorry.... Oh my god, she's dead!" That is so fucking sad, I can't imagine seeing your friend like that. Alice must have been so terrified, for so long, it's unreal what she must have experienced right before she died. And Maxine will be scarred for life.
It was just so incredibly preventable and that's just unforgivable.
The really messed up thing is when this guy is explaining how he stalked her he doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. This guy's a real piece of work
Don't be racist.
It's part of his culture to view women as less than.
When he categorically denies using controlling behaviour during their relationship and then says that he couldn't "let her" go on Tinder after they broke up! Too much of a PoS to even register the absurd irony of that. Really messed up story
Yeah he is pretty much saying it like it's acceptable and to be expected for him to flip out and change her own passwords to social media. "Of course I did that, you know how it is! These women think they can do whatever they want just because you cheat on them and they 'dump you'. But we all know this is just a break that she needs until she's ready to take me back, so.. Yeah. "
Well, he wanted his answers! tststs
It’s pretty common to find Indian stalker especially on the street. I read a guy once stalked a girl and stabbed her to multiple times to death in public and nobody did anything. Many cases of acid attack on girls used to be common in India.
fuckin sucks to hear the uncertainty in her voice when she’s calling the police.
I thought the same & my heart hurt for Her✨She is Dancing among The Stars in The Universe!!!
they aren't much help and she knew it
"You've got four tiny little scratches on your face, her throat is slit open, through the voice box." And he still sat there denying it and saying no comment. Makes me sick. It's amazing that this case and cases like these are being covered by Mike. Needs coverage.
The way he was so emotionless through the whole thing. Sure sign he was satisfied with what he did.
He looked like a wild animal that was in a fight and he still denies it 😪
Oh no! This was so triggering. I was stalked by an ex for 6 months - letters in blood, notes on my car, entering my workplace and yelling my name as he cried, threats to kill himself, threats to OD. This happened back when I lived in India. I'm so glad I got out of that safely. I'm sure the police would've completely dismissed the case because it was relationship between two men.
I can see that obsessive look in his eyes. I remember that look from my ex. The lies, the gaslighting. I feel terrible for Alice and her family. I wish this never happened to her. I hope this worthless waste of a life doesn't ever get out of prison.
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“You can’t exactly put the onus on the victim” thank you Mike such true words. If only the police had recognised this poor Alice may have been alive today.
And that is the stone cold truth. They seem totally unconcerned, both in the UK and US.
@@sarahalbers5555 Japan, australia, south america, everywhere essentially. sickening police mentality
@@bbg7777 I can't think of anywhere that takes stalking seriously until after the (usually male) stalker has killed the (usually female) victim.
At this point I'd be for real surprised to hear of police taking a stalker to task while the victim is still safe.
@@bbg7777 Be sure to not call them when you need them. If you can generalize all police because of an isolated incident, i assume it is ok to generalize certain people because of crimes committed by them.
@@shauncasey8295 Japanese police specifically getting deserved international criticism for not taking missing persons cases seriously until it is entirely too late is absolutely not an isolated occurrence or they would not have gained this reputation.. what you said is a good argument if you are talking to some police abolitionists lol but that’s not relevant here
"She wanted it to stop, but didn't want to get him into trouble" At this point the police should grow some balls/brains and either advise or take action. Isn't this like abusive relationship 101??
That’s bc most cops are that person….don’t wanna blow their cover
@@P9rkour90 I had a cop in my town actually got fired after stalking a girl who was in my class and pulling over guys she hung out with after they left her house and what not... he would sit down past her house while on duty and watch it
@@jhtsurvival Well done. Unfortunately if people just let this problem go the person can get worse and escalate it over time. He is better off doing a different line of work and hopefully getting his problem treated (doubtful he is, though).
It's sad, but i've seen girls drop charges and go back to abusive ex's. It's harder for the police to do anything if the victim doesn't cooperate. That's how R Kelly got off in his pee trial remember?
The guy is brown. Cops in the UK allow them to groom children because they don't want to be called racist.
THE best coverage I have watched of this case. I’m a domestic abuse specialist and have just shared it with my colleagues. Thanks.
D.v. specialist. Ok why do abused women go back to the guy that physically and or mentally abused them? Time after time after time??
Trauma bond. Read about it. Study it.
@@psychoticpsycho7665 fear of retaliation. leaving is your most likely to be kidnapped, severely beaten or murdered
@@psychoticpsycho7665google is right there
The way she said “thanks bye” to the police on the phone after telling them about the PIN?! So heartbreaking bc you can hear the uncertainty in her voice. She sounds so scared. 😭
Really is. It's unfortunate she was so polite and timid as the police minimized her problem and brushed her aside.
I mean, she'd just been told "k, thanks bye." By the cops. Imagine how belittled this poor young woman felt, even if she didn't necessarily feel physically threatened.
I thought the same thing it’s so sad 😭
It's manipulation.
I thought that she sounded scared and insecure as well.
All of these cases are horrific but this case makes me feel so very sad.
Alice's murder was completely preventable, yet, here we are listening to Mike tell us about her last moments on earth, and murdered at the hands of a monster.
I hope that every single day of the rest of his life is absolutely miserable and I hope that his fellow inmates make him fear for his safety every single bit as much as he made Alice fear for hers.
He's a subhuman scumbag and he truly deserved the death penalty.
It's a laughably sad how little stalking is taken seriously in pretty much every country by law enforcement. These kinds of stories are far too common, and it's sad.
People stalk before they go in and hunt their prey. This applies to all animals, especially humans
So WHY IN THE WORLD is it not taken seriously???
@@PoptartParasol And what's worse is that far too often the victim is convinced that THEY are the ones overreacting or somehow blowing things out of proportion. So by the time the threat of stalking is truly recognized and taken seriously it's too late.
So when the police asked her is she wanted him arrested, you don't interpret that as taking it seriously. She said no to that. Why?!?
@@j.rebekah8605 How long would he have been arrested for? A few months, at the very best? Which chances would be, that wouldn't happen since stalking isn't taken that serious in the first place. What would happen after he got out and possibly pissed she sent him away? Also, that doesn't change the fact majority of these cases don't even get the option to arrest their stalker.
@@j.rebekah8605 there are many reasons why people who have been abused deny help.
My heart really goes out to Alice. I worked a lot of years for divorce attorneys and I learned one inflexible truth: A piece of paper never stopped anyone from stalking, harming or killing another person. Restraining orders or Pins are useless of the restrained party really wants to get at you.
The old fashioned modes of protection-fathers, family, friends, etc. have been abrogated to goverment bureaucracies. Witness how they work.
True, but they help the DA's office with the future court case that results from violating it with awful consequences.
I’m so glad I never dated anyone like this. What an absolutely nightmare for anyone who has had to deal with someone who behaved this way. I can’t even imagine
I think we all need to recognize that in most relationships like this, the stalker has begun stalking long before the breakup. So that by the time the breakup happens, they have already hacked into the partner’s social media, following them to and from work and school, isolated them from family/friends, etc. The fix is already in.
That's worrying and I have no doubt you are right
I agree. I was in a similar relationship (well if you call it that), the stalking started in the relationship with his control over my social life and finances, the mind games and manipulation of my family. The only way I could get away from him was to move states.
This is absolutely correct. Unfortunately this kind of controlling behavior during the relationship will be normalized by the abuser to the victim. “I trust you, it’s just I’ve been hurt before.” or “If you have nothing to hide, why do you care if I look at your emails or go through your stuff?”.
We also need to punish wight men and women who date outside of their rase. It's disgraceful.
@@pennylane3324 Absolutely it starts pretty quickly in the relationship and the stalker slowly modifies the victims behaviour and isolates them from friends and family. The only reason I got out of my situation was that, after beating me up and locking me in for five days, he couldnt get the drugs he needed because he had been cut off for beating me up. He eventually told me that I had to go and score for him and when I got out I phoned the guy I was supposed to see and his girlfriend (The real reason he had been cut off) answered and she came and picked me up and took me to my folks house. I will be forever grateful to that girl, Mandy, I believe her name was, as I truly believed I wouldnt get out of that alive. If she hadnt told her boyfriend to cut him off, I dont think I would have got out. Not everyone in the drug world are bad people, some are really good people who have just got into bad situations. I think they should name and shame these people as well as putting them on a register because it seems to me these situations nearly always end badly. Like my abuser went on to do the same abroad and ended up dead. But, it could have just as easily been his victim who died at his hands.
I had a stalker for 2 years. He also hacked into my accounts and would constantly message me. I went to the police and they told me. They couldn't do anything about it until he physically harmed me...What a joke!
Disgusting
@Mark Stewger- so therefore his stalking is her fault?!?! You're sick
@Mark Stewger Sorry do you know their password??? No, you don't. This is extremely jerky + unearned aggression from you. You aren't being a good person here.
A very similar situation happened to me, and at the time I was under 16! You think they would take it more seriously because I was a minor, no. I still have issues today because of the stalker I dealt with and I’m 27 now. It makes me so angry and sad they refuse to do more.
My point exactly. The cops don't protect people. They only enforce laws. What they told you is that only when a crime is comitted (the stalker harming you) would they take action. Its very sad but unfortunately true. You cannot depend on the police for protection.
Just horrendous. Her sweet voice on the calls broke my heart. She was so young and so vulnerable. So let down.
As a young woman in the 70s, seeing that era's wave of feminism help make domestic abuse/violence an acknowledged serious issue, i believed all violent crimes against women would be dealt with seriously by law enforcement with empathy & respect towards the victims. It's heartbreaking that half a century later i see how little we've changed & how naively optimistic i was.
Very naive. Remember, it’s supposedly “a man’s world”, yet the vast majority of women crimes against men go unpunished. So, naturally… “all” crimes against women aren’t going to go punished.
They should. Both ways. But they never will.
Every right isn’t rewarded. Every wrong isn’t punished. That will never change, obviously.
Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new. 99% of men aren't like this.
The flip side of that coin is that there are females who falsely accuse males of abusive behavior. And cops sometimes cannot tell what's REALLY going on.
In Alice's case, if they'd reviewed the texts he'd sent her, this may have been taken more seriously.
That type of controlling behavior is an OBVIOUS EARLY SIGN of future escalation into murder, unfortunately... RIP, Miss Alice.💔
It’s worse if anything. So sad 😞
Alot. Of woman lie aboit things like this to get men falsely arrested and shamed
If you are ever being stalked, harassed, or abused by a current service member, contact their chain of command. Start low on their chain and move your way up. Military takes these accusations very seriously.
Thats true with his line of work if she had reported it to the MOD they'd have come down on him like a ton of bricks, then they would have probably reported it to the police themselves and its sad to say but the police would have probably took it more seriously coming from the MOD.
I find stalking to be one of the worst crimes. Mainly due to psychological impact. It's a slow and painful demise with plenty of missed opportunities to turn the course of events. There should be absolutely more stringent laws against stalking
I was stalked for *years* by my mother's psycho ex who tried to rape me at 14. Not to get into too much detail, it blighted a good deal of my life.
its definitely not cool being stalked, but worst crimes? no
@@messermesut2272 stalking tends to lead to worst crimes, so yes, i would count it to be one of the worst crimes.
@@breadeats "stalking leads to worse crimes"
sometimes yes, sometimes not.
@@messermesut2272 Done a bit of stalking lad?
I wish we could charge authorities in cases like these. They happen so often due to pure negligence and it’s sad and ridiculous
Well we can't because so many people (mostly women) manipulate the authorities when they are spiteful, these cases are really common is difficult for the police to determine which one to spend their resources on.
@@verginone but it’s different if there’s evidence.
@@verginone is this a joke? You sound about as incompetent and uncaring as this police department.
@@LMA_PLS what's the evidence in this case? It sounds like she didn't want to get him arrested and never presented anything more than " he dropped off chocolates, went on my Facebook, and tinder, and won't stop messaging me" ... the only wrong doing by police imo is not explaining what a PIN was properly? If she isn't telling them the extent of the situation how can you blame them. You want police running around arresting every EX that won't stop messaging their Ex?
@@jhtsurvival What's the evidence? Only a prior restraining order and previous victim, all the messages and voice mails, the fact he was repeatedly told to stop contacting her but continued, leaving chocolates and flowers, disturbing messages about murder, threats of revenge porn, everyone who witnessed his behaviour, his commanding officer...the list goes on. UK police do not need victims of domestic violence to choose to press charges, asking her permission goes against guidelines.
As to "You want police running around arresting every EX that won't stop messaging their Ex?" YES. When an ex is harrassing someone to the point of them going to the police, is then officially warned to stop but chooses to continue, is reported again, yes...arrest them! It is criminal behaviour and they can be convicted under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997, Crime and Disorder Act 1998, and Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004.
I'm not sure if you are just terribly ignorant in regard to coercive control, stalking, and domestic violence, or whether you are actually intending to defend this kind of criminal behaviour by blaming the victim.
I was stalked years ago and I remember being scoffed at by the police when I physically went to the station. They all but laughed at me and I am sure they laughed after I had left. Anyway, this was around 1989 or so. Hoping things are changing for the better.
Edited to add: Some years later I heard through the grapevine that my stalker had died. I immediately felt this huge relief of a stress that I wasn't fully aware the weight of.
I know some people say that we should never be glad for a person to die, but I'm glad your stalker died. these people don't change. they believe the object of their obsession is just that, an object and that they are entitled to them, their attention and time. I'm so glad you got out ok and hope you're living your best life
You should have been informed of your stalker's death.
The second half, unstated, of “I’m not intending to kill you” is the most chilling part.
I’m not intending to, but…
It’s as blatant a red flag as his saying in the police interview that he just wanted “his answers” from her. Not her answers. His.
No boundaries on this guy. None.
What an insight you've given, so true
Exactly. It's a subtextual threat - ''I'm not *intending* to kill you, BUT, if i do, it'll be your fault.''
Why would you even suggest not thinking about killing someone unless at the very LEAST it had crossed your mind? I mean as veiled threats go, that wasn't even particularly subtle. Chilling
My lecturer organised a talk with Alice’s dad. He explained the whole situation about what happened with Alice. It was very hard to hear about what had happened to her and the stresses she had to go through. RIP Alice ❤️
Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new.
So you’re one of those “nice guys” not like those other baaaad horrible guys, eh? 🍿🍿
@@BalboaBaggins tf is wrong with u
@@checynhadi2815 why gaslight him? He posted a nice and heartfelt message. Leave it at that.
It's outright disgraceful how cases like this are dealt with all around the globe. Same things happen regardless of country it is in. Laws need to be made to give all the power back to the victims.
After a particularly heinous gang attack on a young woman coming home on a bus after a movie, enough outrage finally hit the streets in India.
Of the six on the bus, one was her boyfriend who was thoroughly beaten and gotten out of the way--- even the bus driver took part in the desecration.
After major protests in New Delhi and surrounding areas,
F I N A L L Y , new rape laws were on the books.
India is a patriarchal society however, and I doubt procedures have changed "that much" .
@@sharonwolfe5210 who cares
@@michelleharms4895 Well? I found that to be interesting as I had no idea about it. And I’m glad new laws were put in place. Literally just shut up
@@kymmymorgan1551 Oh? Literally.
@@michelleharms4895 Yes? Literally.
Wow this one is really sad. She seemed like such a sweet person. She did everything she was supposed to do, but the police failed her. Rest in peace Alice
All I can think is, "Oh, Alice, you did everything you were supposed to do."
How could they have failed her like this? She could have been protected, she called and asked them to help her. The stalking WAS identified while she was alive, it was mentioned in the fucking 911 call! Now, she is dead, and Harry isn't, and the police - What reparations have they made? It breaks my heart. Rest in peace, Miss Alice.
She didn't want him arrested remember? 17:25 in the video.
Easy answer. So many woman abuse the system so there's no way to be 100 %safe
It’s unfortunate she had to live in a country where more protection often is given to attackers than victims and the government takes every possibility to defend oneself away.
@@shauncasey8295 I think that should be a case where authorities can overthrow a citizens request and arrest him anyway. Especially considering previous charges on the guy
@@autumnhoogsteen8494 I think I’ve heard of police still pressing charges even if the victim doesn’t want to. I’m pretty sure the case I am remembering was a DV case. It probably has to be a specific situation or maybe it doesn’t. I don’t know law but seems like a lot of law enforcement doesn’t either.
From personal experience I know this type of behavior is never taken seriously until it's too late. My ex violated the restraining order I had against him and all the judge did was say not to do it again. The justice system is fxcked
A friend of mine went through this with a guy she dated for a short time and basically the police told her they can’t do anything until he hurts her .But when a male friend intervened and roughed him up he went to jail for assault , very f*cked up system!
This is why I see them forcing ppl into killing their stalkers 🤷♀️ the psychological trauma tho to be on guard.
@Jade Ravenwolf The _only_ thing an RO is useful for is investigating the homicide of the person supposedly protected by the restraining order, and prosecuting the person who was being "restrained".
Sorry to hear this appended to you and hope you are getting help
women should have guns, loaded, locked and ready to rock - Ladies, you're only equal with the equalizer
This case has pissed me off so much. They basically told her to F off when she tried to tell them she feared for her safety. Her death is 100% the police's fault. They did absolutely nothing to protect her.
Alices death is 100% her pos stalkers fault. No one elses.
@Moby DIll I totally agree
She sounded like such a sweet person. How sad that no one actually cared enough to help her.
Hearing about the lack of police intervention in stories like this always reminds me of that Simpsons episode when Marge wants help from the police to stop a woman she thinks is trying to kill her. She asks "do I have to be dead before you'll help me?" And Chief Wiggum goes "Well, not dead, dying."
What episode is that?
@@DresdenShuffle 11x21 - It's a Mad Mad Marge
Another good quote from it:
"I thought you said the law was powerless"
"Powerless to help you not punish you"
alice‘s dad’s words made me cry. the parents standing in for victims of stalking now… they are admirable. kind people to look up to.
Truly admirable. The kinds of people that are strong enough to not only *survive* a tragedy like this but when they do come out the other side, they take their pain and suffering and transform it into action for good- creating something for the world that will make it a better place and hopefully save others in the future from experiencing a similar tragedy. ♥️ I think that if you strive to be strong and courageous like these people you're doing the right thing in life.
Your edit of the notifications sounds and the rainy window was simple but super effective. Having an obsessive ex and constantly hearing those notifications was daunting and terrifying.
I agree!!
Crazy ex party in the comment section right here right here 🎉 😂
It nearly caused an accident because someone did not know what the hell the sound was and thought it was from car.
Right??? His edits are bomb
It's a terrible thing to watch a friend's spirit get crushed.
"We'll do better from now on."
Honestly getting pretty tired of hearing this exact excuse. Why not take cases like this seriously out of principle? Everyone knows how dangerous people like this guy are, and the authorities had all the evidence they needed to treat him as such... yet here we are again, with another murder that could have been prevented.
Never outsource your own safety. What an infuriating case.
Never wait for the 'system' to gather encounters, phone calls and so on in order to get restraining orders and then, after months or years of being hunted, finally arrest the person for stalking. learn what you can do to protect yourself.
@@Tsiri09 you do realize even doing all that won't even get a solid conviction... Assault/rape gets let go far too many times the 'system' needs changed... Stalking/rape laws need to be put into place ...People are already doing what they can to survive... Yes let's also do the polices job on top of it all... Always protect yourself that we can agree on ...but when are we going to push for better police force? Why do these fuckers get paid if we aren't supposed to call them lol
@@Tsiri09 It takes more than one person to maintain 24 hour security
Good idea, mate, as long as you multiply the police force by ten, I mean at least ten... Our society is sick and gravely so, our jails and prisons overpopulated, the police overwhelmed... I don't frankly see how they can handle every single call seriously. Neither do I see how our society can change for the better...
I don't know what is more terrifying, being murdered or being stalked. My friend was stalked by her ex boyfriend for five years and when he offed himself. She finally felt freed. She told me, there were days when she thought it would be better to be dead than alive. And him dying, finally gave her room to live.
Like Alice, my friend tried calling the police and they did nothing. My friend was just fortunate to live with her parents at the time and had good security. But victims of stalking shouldn't have to suffer because of that. There should be better stalking laws.
I’m sorry to say this but I am happy she has been able to feel free based on his actions to himself. Stalking literally feels like you are drowning but not passing out or dying.
Blessings to you and your friend!
Id say being actually murdered is far worse wouldnt you think.
I had a guy I dated very briefly stalk me for like 5 months and it was TERRIFYING. He would show up to my college campus and stand by my classroom door, text me when I would be out saying "I know you're at xyz party, I have friends there to beat you up" and just scare me for months. It only stopped when I contacted a male cousin and asked him to handle it- never heard from the guy again
Something similar happened to my sister. Her ex boyfriend went off the deep end and threatened my family, my boyfriend (who was his best friend at the time) and was on hard drugs. When he died we were relieved, still am to this day. Never had to worry about him getting his revenge or doing something to my sister. I hated him. I'm really glad your sister is ok.
@TMCS what?
That last "Thanks, bye..." just breaks my heart, she knew they wouldn't protect her, so sad :(
Same, I actually started crying when I heard her say those last words to the police... I just wish I could travel back in time and save her. :(
She felt powerless....they had more than enough evidence to at least bring him in for questioning...I don't know..something...
Blame her worthless emasculated dad. He as a man and father figure should have done everything in his power to protect her. Even mom has a role as they both could have had Alice move in with them. Sickening.... easy to blame the system when the parents have a piece of the blame. I'm darn sure Alice told her parents about Harry the psycho maniac.
This happens way too often. When my ex was stalking me for leaving him, I nearly ended up the same way. The police told me their hands were tied until he actually DID something to me!
Yea I had the same said to me ...3 of my friends had taken action (literally just cornered him in my room and told him to leave me tf alone) after they found out my ex came to my house while I was babysitting and had a knife in his pocket and gun in his car.... He made a report but left those details out and the cops came threatening me with jail time. It's sad scary and sooo upsetting
I've never understood stalking behaviour. If someone doesn't want you in their life anymore, stalking them isn't going to change their mind. If anything, it only makes their resolve to stay away stronger. It's high time the police started taking stalking seriously. Too many people have lost their lives because some creeps can't accept that it's over. RIP Alice!
You're not supposed to (understand it).
There is something wrong with their brains and there's no one stopping them
There’s nothing rational about stalking. It’s insane behavior
Its the need for control. Even those not ex's will stalk- they "have" to have the upper hand of knowing what the other person is doing. Its psycopathy at its finest.
Amusing that you think the police "care". They are handcuffed (pun intended) by judicial restrictions, which apparently offer little real protection from stalkers. Orders of protection are a joke, like all statism, it relies on compliance to law by sociopaths.
I'm a guy and was stalked, still makes me feel uncomfortable. Can't imagine how it makes a lady feel.
It's unacceptable no matter who's doing it. I'm sorry that happened to you & I hope you're now safe & living a peaceful good life.
The same I would think 🤔Hope you are OK now.
It creates a level of paranoia and physical illness within your own skin that most people cannot imagine. You wouldn’t wish it on your worst enemy. It needs to be taken as seriously as investigating assault, because that’s exactly what it is. Sending all the love💗
I've been in a similar situation, I'm afraid to say. As a man.
It is very unsettling and you almost feel too pathetic to tell anyone, like it's embarrassing for you. You are also left feeling very on edge, not sure what the future holds and frankly not really sure what to do.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 imagine a man telling the police a women is stalking him, you will be the laughing stock of the whole police force.
This was his story: "Yes, I did leave me barracks and drive 2 and a half hours, across the Scottish/English border to Newcastle and arrived, unannounced, at Alice's house. There I confronted her and had a 5 minute heated debate where she accused me of stalking her and she said how she was scared I would harm her and potentially take her life. I said I would not and I left and drove the 2 and a half hours all the way back to Edinburgh. Incredibly, unbeknownst to me, just 5 min after leaving Alice alone, totally unharmed and absolutely, definitely NOT bleeding in any way, somebody else snuck into her home and murdered her! I mean, coincidence or what!"
Yeeeeeaaaahh, that's a proper coinky-dink, innit. Of all the times for someone to sneak into someone else's house and attack them it just happens to be 5min after their 1 and only stalker had driven out of his way to confront her and have a discussion about harming her. So weird that.
Best comment.
He is a text book predator.
It rarely pays to be a sweet girl. Loud and outspoken females often end up alone.
But they rarely end up like this.
Poor sweet soul 💙🖤🦋🖤💙
It’s the old “ I didn’t kill her. Alice’s throat just did that. “
RIDICULOUS STATEMENT HE MADE!!
Super unlucky guy by the sounds of it. Hope he’s ok.
@Alex F Yep it's confirmed. I was wondering if you had any similarities due to your previous comments on other posts. You have thought waaaaaaay too much about how to off someone and get away with it.
This is far too common. Was almost me. I got really lucky the last time but the cops weren’t much help until it escalated severely.
I cannot believe the police did nothing after the "I'm not gonna kill you" message. Unbelievable.
They can't put an army of guards around every person's house who's stalked.
Balboa Baggins ...who said that's what they should have done? All they needed to do was arrest Dhillon 🙄
I'm sure that's what they wanted to do. The laws need to be changed imo to allow police to arrest people who are obviously stalking.
Especially if person getting stalked has proof
well he said not...
Well she liked bad boys, how much badder can you get than a murderer?
This is a case I've heard discussed multiple times and every time I listen to the details there's an overwhelming feeling of frustration. It's almost like every time I hear it I hope maybe Alice will be okay at the end and she will be kept safe. Poor girl did what she could to prevent this outcome and it didn't work and that is incredibly heartbreaking.
It's incredibly heartbreaking that Alice did everything right in her power and the legal system failed her!!!! She did what she could to report the stalking and it wasn't followed up on or take seriously enough.
@@arynasabalenka3173 whoa there girly girl. I take inference to what you've written. You aren't by any chance the offspring or in the lineage of either the white suprematists/nazi or maybe the low life group the kkk. Your diatribe reeks of bigotry and racism.
@@anitaknight3915 the problem is that I don't think there was anything that could have been done. Even if the police take it seriously they can't keep him in jail indefinitely for stalking. Even if he gets a restraining order against him he would have still broken it.
@Aryna Sablenka
I see no one can reply back to you now and comes up with the user name
@UCitmOAP5DgDvU16YuzjMBLw
Actually I should've written 'whoa there whity' and ended with you're a piece of brown stuff. Stop acting superior by using big words as you look like a silly boo with the spelling errors. As I hear quite often these days, I'd like to say to you to 'HAVE THE DAY YOU DESERVE'.
(Ensuring I don't get called out for using bad language I decided to use vanilla wordings.)
@@chrishepburn1503 yeah it's an unfortunate thing and nothing usually detracts an unstable obsessive person from stating away . However, that officer didn't follow up properly after her second report to them after the pin.
I had a peeping Tom that was stalking me in Miami Beach. Whenever he saw me he would expose himself. I phoned the police. Two detectives came. They wanted to see him do it. I sat on my balcony reading a book while the detectives were hiding . It started to rain. I went in the house and the detectives called me and told me to stay inside while they arrested him. And he had a newborn baby with his wife! It's guys like him that turn into killers.
R.I.P. sweet lady
I said yeahhh boyyyyyyyyy
Yes, it is. Some people think men who flash are just amusing weirdos but it’s been proved time and time again flashers often go on to commit far more serious crimes. The Police officer here in the UK who kidnapped raped and murdered a lady quite recently is currently up on charges of flashing he committed in the weeks leading up to Sarah’s murder 😞 extremely disturbing people. That must have been concerning for you, I’m glad the police took your complaint seriously.
What a sick freak!!
I told you I was sorry, Can we just leave the past in the past.? I didn't expose myself, it was hot out that evening..
Did the detectives catch him in the act?
Can only imagine how frightened she was, feeling alone like nobody can stop that scumbag. It's sad how little effort is done in stalking cases.
Rest in peace, condolences to her family 🌷
“Not intending to kill you”
THAT’S NOT NORMAL CONVERSATION
The sad thing is I and probably a lot of other women and men know exactly how Alice felt when that phone went off again and again it’s terrifying! Poor girl is should never have happened to her. A total waste of a life and her poor friend that found her 😢 I hope she has managed to heal from it. 💖
Just block them. Simple.
@@user-gj1me4mf5c No, it's actually NOT that simple. I can tell you're a guy and that you've never had to deal with an obsessed dude before. 🙄
@@user-gj1me4mf5c He hacked into her phone and accounts. Blocking wouldn’t have worked.
Why do stalkers believe they are entitled to "answers" when someone breaks up with them? Poor Alice 💔
LITERALLY
And no answer would be good enough. It’s not about getting closure, it’s about weaseling their way back into the victim’s life. And the chance to control them again.
It's absurd.
"We can't be together anymore because you cheated on me and broke my heart. I'll never trust you again. It's over. Don't contact me ever again."
"bUt wHyYyY aRe wE bReAkInG uP??"
Right! She doesn’t owe him an explanation. And I’m sure she gave him one, many, many, times.
She doesn’t owe him shit.
Except maybe a giant kick in the balls.
Honestly. This, I don't understand what's going on bullshit. YES YOU DO. What a twisted mofo.
“She told me I was abusive and controlling and never let her have a life so I broke into her social media and changed her passwords and literally admit to stalking her and also killed her” 🙄
What a monster. I don’t care why someone breaks up with a person, there is 0 reason to repeatedly continue contacting them afterwards. Stalking is far too often treated as a small issue or not as serious as it is until someone’s dead.
Police will be knocking on your door if you use social media to voice an opinion they consider to be anti woke. However a report of a mental case stalking someone and they won’t be seen for dust.
The indifference of the officer who took Alice's call when she called about the PIN. How many such calls do you get in a day, to not even ask: ARE YOU SAFE? This could have been prevented.
Well she didn't exactly express much concern
Way too many is the sad truth. But no it couldn't have. She said she didn't want further action. So there was no further action. Simple as, off to the next of 1000's calls for the day. That's the state of the government for ya.
Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new.
@@m1ssw1z61 So sad :(
@@jhtsurvival she's British, we're polite to the end...
"The police didn't take it seriously" seems to be a common denominator in these type of cases.
And if he gets murdered by knife or gun. She'd go to prison . It's a man's world. Still. Abuse against woman is still a huge problem in first world countries and across the globe. It's vile
@@paulanovelli258 No it's not imagine if a man goes to police and tells them he is being abused or stalked by a ex g/f he would be laughed at and told to handle it like a man. He would be the joke of the whole police force.
She didn't take it very seriously either. She didn't want him to be arrested. But you go ahead and be like everyone else and blame the police.
In this case they probably understandably did not care, because Alice betrayed men like her, men of her own rase, to be with an Indian man. Sad. Very sad
@@shauncasey8295 She took it seriously enough to go to the police and even told them that she was concerned, they had her do a PIN and didn't even bother explaining to her properly what that meant. But go ahead and place blame on the victim.
He is definitely “a turd that won’t flush.” Good one, Mike.
I listened to a podcast where more of the flat mate’s 999 call was played. It was absolutely horrendous and hearing some of it again now has brought tears to my eyes. I can’t imagine how traumatic that must have been for the flat mate. I hope she is healing well from it.
As soon I as hear Mike's voice or That Chapter intro, I become all smiles. Seems a bit inappropriate, but I know he'll not only share the victims story but point out the learnings. Always looking forward to the next That Chapter!!!
I totally get you. I live for his outros and little quips 🥰🤗
It’s ok, I totally get you. 😉
I need to hear Mike's voice on Tuesday and Fridays . He himself is an addiction 😉😊
Obsession is dangerous
Ikr
Being stalked by someone with murderous intent is high key one of my worst fears especially because meeting them you never really know that’s who they’ll turn out to be.
Like swimming and being followed by a shark but you think it’s a dolphin
same here. i think about it all the time.
Same. I literally avoid meeting new people because of it.
Stalking is such a terrifying crime :(
RIP Alice 💕🤍✨
Murder is worse in my opinion.
@@SupremeCommanderBaiser I don't think she was saying it was worse, just that it's terrifying; and it is.
It's all about controlling with fear. He was a puny personality. I love the way Mike craps on and every chance he gets. The 999 call is heartbreaking.
This case resonates with me so much. I got out of a possesive relationship and the guy kept contacting me asking me to meet him, to talk to him because "he just wants his answers" just like what Harry said during his questioning. Sent a chill down my spine.
That creepy demand they make, they think it sounds so REASONABLE, how could you refuse to give him ANSWERS? It means they are going to presume to reject your reasons for breaking up or saying No, and tell you your reasons aren't GOOD enough, so you have to change your mind, since they have COUNTER-arguments to your answers! See, they assume they have the RIGHT to own you unless you JUSTIFY your choices TO THEM, and of course, no reason of yours will ever seem sufficient to them. They will only use the opportunity to batter you with their insistence you HAVE to submit; if your reason is the cheating, they swear they won't do it again! and think voila, fixed, you can't say No now! No matter what you tell them, they will say BUT!!! and argue you're wrong, your reasons are BAD, you don't have a REAL reason, so you can't leave. It's just one of the coercive modes, along with Perform Fake Good Guy Romance Gestures, Pretend Sorry, Threaten You, Promise To Be Good, Revenge Porn, Hurt You (or your pets or loved ones) to Make You Obey, and eventually, of course, kill you rather than lose the "Who Gets To Control Your Life" death-struggle.
@@judithbradford9130 Very well put. The text messages Harry sent; I've received such messages too. Saying I respect you and care for you but still not respecting the rejection or their partner's right to not have to constantly explain why they want out is a tiresome contradiction.
I’m so happy you got out!!!! U R AMAZING ❤️ AND YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DO AMAZING THANNGGSZ!! 😉 💪
Take care sis😢
Me and Jerry just chilling
A friend of mine in college was stalked for months for selling other friends weed when there normal dealer was out of town. He followed her around for about four months, tried to her her fired from her job, cut her dog, spraypainted her house "WHORE" and "DRUGS HERE" and she was fucking terrified. The police wouldn't get involved until he set her car on fire in her driveway and was discovered a few days later trying to do the same thing to her house. I went to the police station with her, she was a sobbing mess and the police basically scoffed her off, despite the melted rubber in her driveway. I was sickened then and I'm sickened now. Poor Alice.
Another reason to stay away from drugs.
I know this is semi-off topic but I need to know if the dog is okay. For my own sanity
@@taylorsmalls9616 Same here.
Dog is fine. Wasn't for a minute because he stabbed her between the ribs and punctured her lungs. She lived and is thriving. She and her owner are both doing good now.
What made him stop? Or did he not stop stalking her? Did the police arrest him?
It’s disgusting how someone is clearly guilty and was bold enough to kill someone and can’t accept that they’ve done it. He thought he was going to kill someone and walk??
There's a real good documentary about this case called An Hour To Catch A Killer, which takes a really intimate look at the investigation from the very beginning. I'd highly recommend it.
With Trevor Mcdonald, originally on ITV, but it is on UA-cam. Not sure how the editing is!
that’s great! appreciate the recommendation thanks
Hey thank you 👍
Heads up appreciated Carl Rees
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One of the most tragic cases in recent memory. Alice was such a beloved young woman and her death is so senseless. My heart breaks for her parents - raise a little girl up safely to adulthood and some monster snuffs her out because he wanted to own her, like she was a toy or something. May God bless and keep Alice and her family. You will see her again ❤️ xx
I wonder if they will EVER take this serious. I lost everything due to a stalker, my job, the state I lived in, friends, everything and he lost nothing.
How did u lose ur job?
@@melodeemcclain9600 ah come on!
Well too bad. At least you're Still ALIVE.
@@melodeemcclain9600 there have been many cases of stalkers turning up at a person's work place. This means they now have to find a new job because the stalker knows where they work OR the stalker has interfered with someone's work so much that they get fired.
They don't, everywhere. Until I decided to leave the town for my own safety, cops did not only refused to help, but made me look like the offender. It was clear the guy has hired someone to hurt me but they couldn't see it that way. And I had evidence they just needed to investigate, guess that was too much for them 🙄.
She sounds like SUCH a sweet girl, on the phone. Damn really wish this stuff didn't happen.
Stalking has nothing to do with love and everything to do with control. The system failed this poor girl.
Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new.
His mugshot at the end is priceless. He looks like a spoiled brat that just can't believe this happened to HIM. 🤬🤬🤬 Also, Alice's voice is so sweet. Great job as per...
He's literally me frfr
Yeah she sounds so nice 😢
Stalking laws are getting stricter in the U.S. now. Thank God. Charges can be filed, and recently a picture of a stalker was in the local paper, with jail time imposed. Thanks for this story Mike. I lv ya too!! 😉🥰
Stalkers have been sentenced to jail time in the US for years now.
Wtf are you talking about? Stalking charges have been filed in the US for decades, and this case had absolutely nothing to do with the US anyways, tou are not the center of the universe
Miss Jackson I think you're delusional
Likewise in the UK. We've just introduced Stalking Protection Orders recently which, if breached, can lead to five years in prison.
more ppl need to be aware of what can be done about stalkers because law enforcement does not always take the situation seriously and they do not always provide detailed steps a victim can take in order to protect themselves.
Never mind "On guard"...learn Touché..which literally mean to touch....or...burn in return.
Stalking is a serious problem. Thanks for bringing more awareness to it. Poor Alice 🥺
So is immigration from third world countries but you won't talk about that, eh?
the fact that he can say these things after murdering her is absolutely sick and disgusting. the amount of times husbands and boyfriends murder their wives and girlfriends is truly sick. my heart breaks for these womens souls. they deserved so much better.
It truly is, I'm starting to wonder if there is an anthropological reason behind this. There must be tomes on this subject in criminal psychology, there must be some horrible reasoning behind what drives some men go over the edge and kill those they were ''in love'' with. Some people just don't understand when to let go v,v
As much as it is more common, murder is not the monopoly of men.
@@bagofnails6692 thank you
@@-ph1l1pn0rth-7 Obviously more emotional involvement leads to irrationality, for men and women.
Love kills
I can totally understand why you have 1.6 million subscribers to your channel. You tell each story like you’re chatting with 1.6 million friends one on one.
Mike, you are a natural born storyteller. The stories are often gruesome, but I view them as a cautionary tale given in the hopes of keeping others safe.
You go on and keep safe because we love you, too. 😉 😉 😉
IKR Mike is amazing, he could do a series about foot diseases & make it welcoming and enjoyable.
Gods I hope he gets punished in prison every single day. She sounded like such a wonderful and kind person.
Ugh the whiny voicemails 😑
I hope Maxine is doing ok. I can’t imagine how traumatic finding your friend like that would be.
I just found this case incredibly sad, and very frustrating with regards to the complete lack of concern and action from the police.
Well covered, Mike, even though this left me with a heavy heart.
RIP Alice 💜
Do you like flowers and chocolate?
You did see the part in the video where the police asked her if she wanted him arrested and she said no right?
This happens a lot which is sad. But what’s really sickening is the fact that this was completely preventable.
It's always awful that someone has to get murdered for even remotely anything to be done about having procedures changed or seeing obvious warning signs.
I find it insane how there aren't tighter laws around stalking. Most of the time the police won't do anything until it's too late.
I know it's tragic and frustrating. Authorities tend to not be able to intervene or do anything until the person is injured severely or killed. They'll recommend an order of protection but it's a joke and doesn't deter a stalker or domestic violence usually.
The problem is what are they going to do. They can't have a cop following this guy around 24/7 for the rest of his life because someone said he is stalking them. If he gets a restraining order he will just break it. You can't keep him in jail indefinitely for stalking. The only way she would be safe is to move far away without him knowing.
@@chrishepburn1503 but why should someone pack up and move disrupt there own life Huh?
What you're saying she should have done more? No one should be put through this.
@@KEV.I.N24 You're right she shouldn't have to but that's reality. What can the police actually do when some says this person is stalking me. They can't keep him in jail the rest of his life. They can't follow him 24/7 for the rest of his life. If they give him a restraining order he will just break it. I'm not saying she should have to but really I'm seeing this as the only option. You tell me what could have been done?
@@chrishepburn1503 tag him. Monitor his movements, keep an eye on him, actually look into him and perhaps notify his barracks and superiors.
I get what you're saying however the thought she must make a change in her own settled life because someone wants to stalk her.
Do you believe you should go to such lengths if someone done what he did to you?
Minimum 22 years .....not enough.
Poor girl.. RIP
I’m going through something eerily similar right now. I left my abusive husband 8 months ago. I just told my sister last night that it seems like by the time cops take things seriously, people are already dead. It’s usually too late. This case makes me so mad.
...... are you in a safe place?
Take MAJOR precautions. This is the most dangerous time for you. Please do everything legally that you can and do not allow any contact with him!! Please be safe!!
Number one piece of advice. Contact your local domestic violence center, sexual assault advocate, or victims center. Get an advocate to help you file paperwork and to be with you while speaking with the police officers, going to court cases etc. There are so many things that us Normie‘s don’t know that an advocate can help you with.
God bless you
My therapist told me to call the police and insist on filing a report EVERY single time. I know usually we don't want to, or at least I didn't, because I didn't want all that trouble and I just wanted him to stop and go away. The cops may never take you seriously, but eventually they will take action if you call them enough, just to appease you and get you off their backs
Any updates?
There is something about you Mike (I'm not a stalker) you deliver content in such an enthralling yet human way. I love your sign off "I love ya" cause as one of your fans 'love ya" too. I look forward to your cases and your unique style of bringing them to your audience. Cheers Mike. From Cassandra Bevan.
I’m not a stalker is exactly something a stalker would say
What a sweet mssg …I read it with a British accent✌️
Lol VERY you-ish!
Well I'm stalking him ! Why not ? He's adorable and tells a good story ! Love ya Mike!
P. S. He's totally safe , I live in the u.s.a. and am way too old .
@@pikapal91 i came here to say this!😂😂
I remember this well, but I had never known the details or heard the phone recordings before. It made my blood run cold - I know, like me, there are people watching who have experienced a "Harry". The sobbing, desperate, even sweet voicemails, the veiled threat "I have photos of you but I would never send them because I love you so much" the gifts used like a shiny bauble at the end of a fishing lure. You are not alone and you are not a bad person for leaving, you can't help them and you need to save yourself. It doesn't make you selfish, it keeps you alive.
I thought my stalking situation was bad but this utterly terrifying. I truly don’t understand why we have to beg, plead and face our monsters or be harmed by our monsters to take us reporting stalking seriously !