The WORST Top Tier I've Ever Seen | War Thunder
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The only thing good about the F4F ICE, is its cold AF wallpaper.
Fr shit is ICE cold
This is probably the best update because the fact the not a lot of people hug the ground any more it’s become a lot more realistic and it requires more skill of bvr fighting than just hugging the deck
Yeah, for a PS4 player that has 70-1 games on 10.7 getting uptiered often to SARH missles it's already painfull to fly just above the tree top and I activated the 12vs12 from when it was added, still every single game was 16vs16 so yeah.
As someone who has to fight f4-fs in my su-22, they are super annoying to play against.
That’s a diff BR lil bro
@@YF23BlackWidowll yah i realized that after watching the vid lol, f4-f early lol.
This plane and the Tornado Late are easily the worst planes to stock grind at 12.7. They could go down to 12.3 and be perfectly balanced vs. F-15As, SU-27s, and F-16s.
I usually agree with you guys but im loving top tier right now its kinda nice not having everyone hug the ground. I do wish there was smaller lobbies though. I think they are scared of a situation they created of the the premium bombers destroying smaller lobbies
Activate your windows
Mfers when a jet from the 1960s upgraded to modern standard isnt good:
😮
In real life it would most likely be pretty good at least in 1992 or whenever it was upgraded, because BVR reigns supreme in real life
According to gaijin this thing is equal to su27's, mig 29's and just straight up better than f-15a
@@alkatraz9514 according to gaijin the Mirage 4000 is better than the F-15A lmao
@@elkrumb9159f15 should be at 12.7 11.3 level 10 premium players don’t stand a chance.
@@elkrumb9159
Well F-15 is really bad at flying outside the US, because the road signs are different. So I suppose from European perspective, the Mirage will do better, simply because it knows all the signs and road laws that are in place.
If there's anything we've learned from the past year... if we REALLY put the pressure on Gaijin for the crap they refuse to fix in their game, they will attempt to fix most of what we complain about. We need to put nonstop pressure on them for BR decompression, lower player counts, revamped air gameplay and more nuanced maps, and potentially new game modes... because otherwise, nothing will ever be changed. Their motto seems to be little changes combined with shiny new toys to keep the majority of the player base happy so that they never actually have to change much. This needs to stop.
The problem is that these are very serious issues, but only for ARB. Last year's riot happened because players from all modes rebelled and started demanding their own. If you think there are more ARB players than, for example, arcade tankers, you're wrong. And they don't care about these issues.
only problem with the BR compression shit is that the community collectively wants BR compression done in THE WORST FUCKING WAY POSSIBLE and theyre too goddamn stupid to realize how much worse it will be. Not to mention having Gaijin touch BRs at all never ends well for anyone but Russia and Germany.
ah yes we ALL go on strike cause theres 1 fucked plane in a AirTree that not that many people play
ive been saying this for 6+ years already..... too many brainless wallet warriors that keep buying the stupidly overpriced premium vehicles.......
@@hansmuller7859 are you a braindead wallet warrior? Because the game has major issues that are plain to see by any decent player.
And if you thought the F-4F ICE was bad, wait until you try the Sea Harrier FA2.
doesnt matter cause britain already has a really good fox 3 plane (gripen-c)
this is germany's only fox 3 plane
@@H-crankystill don’t have a good cas plane either, but nah the us harrier gets 10 paveways
@@H-cranky I agree, I just wanted to point out the FA2 also exists and is comically bad.
@@H-crankythey adding f22 to Germany next week 😱
@@SalSal-om1enthe us is giving Germany f-35s. The USA has strict no export in the f22
They could've at least add some BOL pods to justify the BR it sits at. A lot of planes need BOL pods actually with this update.
Fix your skill issue
@@cptstratboss8561 imagine being the "ball crushing factory worker" of warthunder lol get a grip
@@cptstratboss8561Fix your attitude, 90 countermeasures is a joke
@@cptstratboss8561saying skill issue at this point just points out how low iq you are if you think that’s an appropriate response in 2024 lol
@@cptstratboss8561 are you really telling me that 30 chaff and 30 flares is enough for a single 12v12 or a 16v16 match in a mig29g which is 12.7 meaning it's always top tier? it has no R77 and chaff runs out the minute you engage if you dont sneak around..
This is one reason why I wanted the Eurofighter Typhoon to be added to Germany or just a Swiss F-18 Hornet. There is actually a Typhoon variant called Tranche 1 where it only carries AIM-120 and AIM-9, and has Captor-M radar which is just the same as the F-16C radar. But everyone denies and hated my idea.
Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 1.
Service: 2003
Radar: Captor-M (mechanically scanned array radar)
Air to Air Weaponry: AIM-120, AIM-9.
Bro the thing with the eurofighter is not the loadout, its that is fking cracked, it will have the best FM in game by far, even the tranche 1 radar would be one of the best, the 30km rage IRIS-T, the DASS system, already comes with ECM's built in the plane, towed radar decoys, 13 pylons with capacity to carry 10 AMRAAMS with 2 sidewinders, a HMD with capabilities to lock targets BEHIND and outside the missile gimbal limit and guide it by DL until the seeker sees the target
The eurofighter has absolutely no business in this game for now, as it could absolutely destroy every plane with ease
Because the Airframe itself would be broken, not the Loadout. It would be like if Before the F14 was added we just added a Gripen or F16 and gave it similar weapons to the other planes. It either would be impossible to balance, or A-historically nerfed until it had stuff that could compete against it added to the game.
The Dutch Subtree was the answer, should have given france another subtree, then the Dutch F16 could have been added this update to Germany. But nope looks like Germany is in the Britain and Swedish boat of nothing that is balanced could fill that gap so you just suffer for 6-12 months. As before the Gripen was added, Britain's best jet was a F3 Tornado or a Harrier. While Sweden was the Jas37 i believe. For awhile.
All the 4th gen Delta wing fighters will be tearing everyone a new one when they get added lol (as if the Gripen hasn’t done enough already) EF for Germany Italy and Britain, Rafale for France, China with the J10, looking forward to flying all these deltas
@@yester8039y’all keep saying this but forget gaijin went from the initial Block 10/15 and Mig29, straight to the Block 52, and 29 SMT.
How much longer holding off these delta fighters, while gaijin keeps handing out F16s like candy to everybody?
@@thatoneguy1741the Rafale, Eurofighter, Su27sm3 or su30 variant, and Super hornet will all come in December. I’d bet money on it.
90 counter measures at top tier is ridiculous and when you run out you can’t even hide at ground level anymore this jet is terrible.
cant believe germany just does not get any top tiers anymore since 3 updates
The premium nado was already a joke
Their IRL top tiers should come next update. As they had a very large step forward from things like the ICE to the typhoon which is about equivalent to like f15E, f22, f16 block 70 etc
@@theperson5185 the next big plane would be the F-18C, almost every country gets a F-18 in some fashion
@@theperson5185 Not really, no. The Tranche 1 typhoon should've come out like 1-2 updates ago already.
@@jojomaster7675 the typhoon is a gen 4.5, all planes we currently have are gen 4 even the newer ones. IF everything was in their late 90s configurations (well the Russians are….allies are still in the 80s) then I’d agree it should definitely be added. But adding a typhoon with the f16A would have been horrible for everyone and would have made the ER spam seem easy.
Move all 13.0's to 14.0! LMAO F this crap. Just make 13.0, 13.3, and 13.7 'banned' BRs and give us a space!
During last year's riot, there was a lot of talk about raising the BR at ARB to 15.0. Top tier at that time were MiG-29-13 and F-16A. Right now we need decompression to at least 16.0-16.7. But snails won't do that because the max BR in tank battles is 11.7
Honestly, yeah. The 13's shouldn't be anywhere near 12.0 jets
Cope!!
still don´t know why gaijin put that thing at 12.7 absolutely stupid
amraams
would you want amraams dominating 12.3?
@@jfd9616 it still would get uptiered to 13.0 90% of time but i get your point.
@JohntheGOAT08 amraams already exist at 11.7 so yeah, it should be 12.3. Or move the f14a to 12.0 and f14b to 12.3
@@TeamValkyrie2023 11.7? what on earth has it??
Gaijin trying everything Not to add the Eurofighter to the game
Eurofighter would actually be overpowered. It's a Gripen but way worse.
@@jedinight235 what?
@@specc_s1452 What are you confused on??
@jedinight235 You call it overpowered then worse than the gripen. How?
@@specc_s1452 It has built in ECM systems (which is not modeled in game), 10 AMRAAMS and a very advanced RWR+MAW, also HMD it carries since 2002 which actually can be ignored by gaijin can lock shit 360 degrees.
Well that's maybe your opinion, I like it.
Flank the team, try to hide behind terrain to get medium to close distance, then hit them from the side, attack the idiots returning to base when running out of missiles or attack runways without spaa with mavericks.
Just focus on your RWR and it will benefit next update when ECM pod arrive.
I’m glad I’m not the only one here that likes this Phantom :)
activate ur windows bro
Germany should've gotten the benelux tree instead of france cuz they already got the mirage and the MICA-EM
I see alot of "Nah mate, sea harrier is worse." in here. 12.3 and 12.7 are eons apart when it comes to pain atm...
ICE should've been added a bit longer ago tbh, probably together with the Su-27, F-15A and F-16C to combat the R-27ER spam
And the F-4F ICE would prob be fine at 12.3. You have the F-14 spam happening and those are mostly in downtiers now without anyone being able to fight back against them on their terms
issue is the ice wouldn't of gotten it's amraams, so it would've just been an f-4j at 12.3
12.3 is a BR this thing should be in, aim 120s are so easy to evade it is not even funny, It is an F4F airframe that can get murdered by everything, it has no HMD, The F 15A which is at 12.3 is straight up better than this thing is almost every other way other than the fact the ICE get's AIM 120s which is a missile that get's kills only if the enemy allows it, 12.3 should have been the BR for that thing should have been added in.
Not only that but only 4 AIM-120s. Every 13.0 jet that has them can carry 6-8 so you have less Mid-Long range missiles at that. Definitely should be 12.3.
So the J8f should go to 12.0 or lower? It only has 2 ARH
@@shikikanaz4624 I am speaking from my experience with the F 4F ICE I spaded it from fully stock and I have never played the J 8F to have an opinion on it, But atleast the J 8F is not a Phantom airframe at 12.7 It has a much bigger effect to the battle than the ICE.
Poor German Mains. They have been asking for the ICE for years. When they finally get it, it's DOA.
I genuinely hope that if they add the F-18 they give Germany the Swiss F-18.
Honestly just swap the the aim 9l/i for regular 9 L the aim 120 for for aim 7m and make it 11.7, it would be mutch better
Skill issues talking
Then Germany won’t have fox 3
Id rather not have fox3 and move it to 11.7. That would at least make it playable.
@@cptstratboss8561 again, I see you in several comments screaming skill issue. When is your f4ice video showing us all how it's done going to drop?
@@Shatheedjameson. Gaijin made up a f16 for japan, im sure they can solve this issue.
I agree the f4f ICE is awful but dont like modern tactics? Dont play modern jets, simple as that. Yea we need smaller team sizes but dont act as if every game if you bvr you're stuck in an endless loop of fire at 30km - turn away - recommit - repeat. 9 times out of 10 both teams push closer and closer while bvring until one side dies, and then whoever is remaining dives on the people who went low.
why didn't you just play another game if you didn't like multipathing
I mean the other day i had a F16 Squadron of three people just keep shooting Fox3s at my Gripen every time i defended against them. Forced me to defend for pretty much the whole match. If someone wants they can force you to not play the game. Then by the time they've either ran out of missiles, Died or you killed them. You know fly back towards the map to see one or two enemies with the whole team fighting over them. Or you roll up as one of the last remaining teammates against a 5 enemies. Meaning your XP gains are minimal.
The maps are to small, most of them are flat with zero cover. Anytime i get a EC map i have a good time. But Golan heights is all i get 90% of the time. Cause i cant ban both versions of that map. Plus the small lobbies checkbox gets you a small lobby once in a blue moon.
Why tf did I grind Germany
U can get the eurofighter in the future which will be one of the if not the best fighter of that update
When I see a f4f I just let hem live... They have it rough and i dont need a free kill that bad. Just letting them grind
Ty
I know it's irrelevant and very niche... But since that thing in GRB is 11.7 that means if you are very lucky you could get a 10.7 Downtier, and chuging AAMRAMS at this BR would be hilarious.
feel like that's it's 1 saving grace is that it's comically under br'd for what it gets, imagine being in an attacker and you have to try to dodge an amraam
@@Brzzzyexe That is if the RWR permits you to see it ! xD
I used this in GRB, and I can confidentally say that this thing can be a menace against CAS aircraft
@@GP15Connoisseur Finally somebody that gets it !! :D
I'm a PS4 slim player, and right now trying to play top tier is like a slide show. My FPS drops dramatically fairly often. All of the missiles and separate radars are wreaking hell on my poor old PS4. I suppose I ought to stick to 11.7 and lower for now
PS4s still rocking those lame ass HDD s. That’s why the game doesn’t do so well. If you were to run an SSD you’d have much better performance.
Buy a pc
Hello, how do you open the name of the enemy planes on the radar on the left side? I think it also reports missiles fired towards you.
that thing should have been released withe the f14 back then
I was all in for lowering multipathing height but only for sim gamemode.
After getting amraams on f16c im playing only in sim and i'm having a blast with it but im not gonna touch RB for a while.
The F4F ICE should have been added as an introductory aircraft to Active Fox 3’s After the Grippen got its last FM change.
It should have been top teir with the SARH aircraft AND THEN they should have started adding the ARH supporting versions of the top SARH aircraft.
Truly another Gaijin moment.
That’ll be 70$, Petard.
It’s just insulting tbh.
Gaijin couldve done the Japan move and added the EFT DA1,in fact is more real than the japan F16A since it actually existed and flew around 300 tests...had tornado engines,4x9Ms and 4x AIM120A and 0 ground ordnance...
5:02 I have to disagree. This is the most fun I’ve had playing top tier since I got it October last year. I think this update is a massive step in the right direction for top tier, and this is the most enjoyable it’s been for me ever. BVR is much more fun than deck hugging and the IRCCM clusterfuck that top tier has been since October, it’s more tactical, and it takes skill. Now before people say, “oH bUt tHesE miSsiLEs aRe bRokEn it’S jUst pOiNt aNd cLiCk”, yes, it does take skill, not to kill, but to stay alive to get more kills. Everyone has a good missile (the R77 is meant for close range not 35 miles stop whining russian mains) and everyone can get a lot of kills, it is simply a matter of if you have good awareness and positioning. It’s not very enjoyable for some, but me and a whole lot of other people are stoked about this update. Remember, this is just my opinion, and I’d to hear more peoples that don’t agree with me, I want to see your reasoning, I want to see both sides of the playing field, not just my own
I will just comment about the end about the modern jet combat and how it works. In fact it's quite opposite, people who wants these 16v16 and fox three missiles at same time wouldn't have interest into modern jet combat as it's most of time BVR only and usually without shooting down a plane.
If you want modern jet combat just put them in 4v4 and death from enemy or by crashing = no rewards no matter what you do (to prevent just yolo firing all missiles and getting shot down). You would force teams into teamplay and strategic play which is how you use modern jets. Not just 16v16 mess in middle of the map.
Would it be realistic? Yes. Would it be boring? Also yes but that is just how air to air combat works with fox one and fox three missiles.
And how would you win the 4v4 if people would avoid shooting down enemy planes? Just do more objectives than enemy team in the 25 minutes timer.
While I do agree with the sentiment, as far as breaking the everyone rush in on the deck furball meta. This has completely deleted that, yes it is annoying. Also though I do believe this has changed the gameplay loop for the better in the mean time. Games actually last more than 5 min if you can defend properly
Also Gaijin saying that this has good flight characteristics compared to other Phantoms is simply a lie. It is the heaviest Phantom empty, and just has a smaller maximum fuel load. All the other stats are exactly identical to the F-4E in the flight model.
Its only advantage is weight distribution when loaded with fuel, but I don't think anyone is going to bring max fuel in any of the Phantoms.
i play dcs for quiet a long time now and bvr engagements and all the tactics involved in it esspecially with other people with communication is alot of fun... in war thunder not so much it feels kind of bad imo its lame since so much of the flying is gone you have in dcs... idk... i thougt would have more fun with the fox 3 missiles but getting my jets decked out or god forbid picking one without it is a direct ride into tilt...
the f4f ice is definitely painful to grind
it doesn't get amraam until you reach tier 4 and during the entire time, you are struggling to get kills
i highly recommend to get the rockets and bomb bases until u get the amraams which will take u quite a while
then after u get the amraam
continue to fly low, carry rockets and just keep going at it and use the amraams to get an occasional missile kill
for maps that don't really allow for terrain masking, recommend to stick to your team and hope for the best
if this aircraft got gbu's it would make this a pretty nice ground attack aircraft, but it doesnt so dam
Nice vid, also am I the only that actually prefers the current meta over the IRCCM furballs bs we had before? I haven't gone through the pain of a full stock grind so I might hate myself for that comment later
Germany (and of course the UK and Italy) will t probably get a Eurofighter typhoon next update because we already have those cringe missiles in the game which those jets are using
People keep crying for more and more modern stuff but they don't want to admit it's not fun to get clapped by a weapon from 20+ km away. Modern combat is designed to be unfair. It's not going to make for good gameplay.
F4 Phantom didn't perform well in Vietnam? I think it is the only US plane that I have heard is bad even for its time. I'm surprised Russian bias would put it in top tier.
Yet everyone says skill issue which is the biggest cop out in this game, die to friendly fire “skill issue” 500 deaths to 250 kills in the m1a2 sep “skill issue” 15 missiles flying at from planes that carry 10 missiles and you have 30 counter measures “skill issue” dieing to an 11.3 plane in your 10.0 plane “skill issue” mind 0 countermeasures this game is the most unbalanced non sense I’ve ever played in my entire life with a community that is just a toxic and ridiculous as COD players that actually believe skill is how fast your mouse travels to a virtual target lol
The F4F ice would be a perfectly fine plane to add alongside a competetive top tier aircraft for germany like dutch f16 or swiss f/a18
Wait till you try the Sea Harrier, now that is a piece of shit. Less manouverable than the earlier Harrier GR1/3 and AV8A/C.
I am really not a fan of the ge for war thunder ads that are everywhere now, those are there to sell all your information, and they encourage gaijin to make ge even more required for grinding because of how people can get a good chunk of ge for free.
gayjob just want to make game as realistic as life in 2024 is. they make it total bullshit with hatred rising towards the matter of universe itself
We need top tier enduring confontation
No matter how low to the ground I get this patch, missiles still hit me square on, it feels like multipath is just straight up not working anymore.
Gimme 6vs6 more research and lions added to the low amount of players were all good, or or hear me out 6vs6 ranked for 4th gen jets and above
In your opinion, even if the mig23ml has undergone a change in the radar, is it worth buying it?
I think this is one of the best updates in WT.
Aircraft have finally stopped crawling on the ground like a fucking shrews
The thing that gaijin needs to change is putting some new low tier plane (if they find one).
the russians only have 96 but those are large caliber so maybe a slight difference
This type of gameplay would be so much better in highly co-ordinated 4 v 4s, its just too many players as usual. The whole going cold and re-engaging to fire off an amraam is cool, but not when you have to account for 12 to 16 players and your team is highly uncoordinated. Might be better in squad sim I guess...
4 v 4 or 6 v 6 and respawns is the best way to go, imo
They should just put it at 12.3
No
Yes
It’s a good plane. How do you not see that
@@T95man nah
@@T95man what's your in game name? Just want to see if u are a German main or if u are a Russian main troll (the t95 name makes me think you are). U can't support your argument that is good if you don't have proof that you use it and are actually good in it
i love the ice it is one of my favorites, u guys are just haters. (skill issue)
They only made that so that they didn't have to give the Mig-29G the R-77
Seek, top tier isn't broken because of the accuracy or inclusion of modern missiles. The game mode needs to adapt. This has been an issue for 10 years and as much as you like to rant and love Jets, I would figure you for somebody who would understand what we are all looking at here.
No, FOX3s do not need to be nurfed.
No, multipathing does not need to be re-raised to 100 meters so people can "opt-out" of notching if they wish.
No, realism does not need to be thrown out so we can all have a fun 'LIL arcady blast.
And NO, we don't need shortened BR spreads so 13.0s only fight 13.0s and 12.7s only fight 12.7s. . . .
The REALISTIC game mode needs a restructuring more like simulator now more than ever;
With a "come & go as you please" attitude toward matches, where time limits and massive team merges are extinct, where your radar knowledge, use, and skill is your ticket to awareness, not your crew skill point investment. With a plethora of playstyles open to you, and big huge maps with 12v12 or higher who've been sweatily fighting for an hour, or a 2v2 tiny little map where people are relaxed, calmly patrolling sections of map in shifts. YOU pick, PLAYERS choose. Play as you like, join a match, start your own, YOU, DO, YOU!
THAT is what we need for Realistic Air. We need the sim game mode for RB!
You kinda missed the entire point of the video. I didn’t say air rb doesn’t fundamentally need to change, but what I am saying is that its best to leave some aspects (multipath for example) gamey, until the rest of the game catches up. Just because it’s realistic doesn’t mean it’s good for the game. (Spoiler, it’s not realistic due to free height and trees not counting into multipath).
@@SeekerHead I wouldn't say I missed that. The current state of multipath is plenty gamey, IF , they fix map and gameplay issues such as gigantic trees and actually implement the rest of the core gameplay changes I mentioned above.
Stock grinds are as bad now as ever, but I don't see them getting better without a major overhaul to the game mode of RB air itself. The game isn't going to magically become OK once everybody is equally OP, it needs a change that actually lets players not matching the meta to DO something in matches.
Addition; basically man, what Im saying is Fox3 carrying F15s vs a SARH carrying phantom will never be "fair," but it will be not-a-death-sentence if we can have a gamemode more like sim.
There it is. Just go play sim man, don’t ruin everyone else’s game trying to make it into something it isn’t and isn’t trying to be
@@SeekerHead There's no reason to be antagonistic. Sim gives some people motion sickness and most of us also like flying in mouse aim.
I'm making decent points about the game mode and player's ability to play their way. No reason to get defensive. Also, people like me want an ADDITIONAL game mode man. The only people ruining others' fun are people saying "No you can't have that cuz I say so. Do it how I say!" Which is you right now man....
Relax.
If you wana continue the conversation, I'd be happy to discuss the legitimate gameplay affects of a game mode with extended time limit and reduced markers. ;)
You grind the German tech tree, only to get funny'd for a few extra Months
Just move this thing to BR11.7, then everything will be okay
I just finished researching mine this morning. I see im in for some fun when i got home
Germans just need to cry a bit and they will get buffs
I bet the devs laughed their ass off releasing an f4 XD
When I was testing the J10 it actually did have 19km on its hmd so it might just be something that Gaijin forgot to change with the HUD
That’s what people are saying
To make things worse china has fox three's at 12.3 in a j8 which is crazy
It only has 2 ARH and 6 missiles total. The ice has 8 missiles total with 4 ARH, might not sound like much but it's a big advantage
@shikikanaz4624 that's true honestly they should just move 13.0 to 14.0 and make fox threes there own thing
Stop playing Modern Jets if you don't like Missiles, WVR or BVR simple as. It's not Broken it's Working as Intended and that's what people need to come to grips with when thinking about Modern Fox 3 jet combat.
It’s absolutely NOT working as intended. “
“It’s what these jets were made to do!”
They are not meant to fight in a 32 aircraft battle. The tactics used in modern air combat do not take into account this many enemy aircraft at once. It never happens.
Additionally, multipath is set to 60m, but trees in War thunder are 75m tall. So effectively, if you’re flying over trees there is no multipath. Trees should be counting as terrain that messes with the missiles, not just the dirt.
This is comically unrealistic but DCS syndrome and the elitism surrounding modern jet combat completely clouds the community from acknowledging any of the issues here…
Team deathmatch 16v16 is not fun at this point. It’s just a dice roll most matches. Need 8v8 EC maps with multiple objectives and airfields.
the aircraft br should be adjusted based on ordinance. Most of these 12.3-13.0 when stock cannot even come close to being competitive against the same aircraft when spaded. Which incentivizes people to upgrade with GE and pay gaijin 😑
Mouse pilots are point and click trash. Buy a joystick then make a video. Scared you’d lose some teeth?
the elitism goes crazy
Trees don’t stop missles. Trust me…..
active your windows lil buddy
Interesting info about the 75m tall trees, you are the first youtuber to bring this up!
its a bug it got fixed
WOMP WOMP
You should activate windows
Those trees are only for that specific map and it was a bug, they're fixed now
There’s many more maps and it’s been like this for years. It wasn’t a bug, just nobody has cared
If you think the F4F ice is the worst top tier then ya have no idea about the tornado F3 Late
I found the tornado much easier to play in this meta
Sounds like Skill Issue (¬‿¬)
activate your windows..
Seek I can’t find my previous comment to reply to it but I tried what you said about using the touch pad on controller and still doesn’t work, it shows the HMD interface and follows the cursor, but in free look, the cursor doesn’t move, so it just points forward. If you have to get your cursor (mouse aim mode) on the enemy, making your plane move (even just a bit) kinda defeats the point of having HMD in the first place
Hm, I’d maybe consider contacting support or join a discord and look for other console players
@@SeekerHead Ok cool. I think I'm gonna try contacting Gaijin but I feel like the eternal snail may have a bit of a hard time getting into a "It's Fixed!" update. Really confused by how few top tier controller players are complaining about this issue and/or how they are dealing with it. I found a few reddit threads, but just kinda filled with people saying "Cope" and to play something more skilled. Thanks man.
bro ACTIVATE WINDOWS
1:13 OF wtf? can you do OF ?
Remove markers so people can sneak, and therefore, grind. We have radars why the absolute F*CK do we need everybody popping up on the screen in big red letters spelling out everything there is to know???
No more bumper-bowling for RB! REMOVE MARKERS!
Or, hear me out...
Play simulator battles?
Go to sim buddy
spanishavenger alt be like
@@Xiodot can you play 3rd person in sim? with mouse control
@@kochiyoshi no, you can't, but if you're gonna complain about player markers of all things like the original comment, I think war thunder isn't the right game for you
yeay but its cool😎😎😎😎
One of the worst takes 😂
It feels like pure SB plane
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I really liked reading Gaijin's reasoning for the multipath change. Like it's been the way it has been for so long up to now and they're just like "yea it's too good it was made for heli's no planes... nerf. Fire and Forget radar missiles are here :D" Like fr? But it's been the way it has all this time for jets? Alright snail lmao.
On a serious note: I've enjoyed the change and found myself flying at altitude most games now... once I got the Active's. The obvious caveat: this is probably the worst stock grind ever, combined with using anything within that 13.0 bracket (to grind out your new top tier) that simply doesn't have any of the Active missiles, and semi-actives are practically useless against the Actives. I'd say the ER is still decent simply because of its insane performance but you may just find yourself doing 1 for 1 trades more so than with Sparrows or other Semi's.
It's extremely double edged. Good for the top top since it kills the ground hugging and creates a more dynamic battle, but awful for the just below top because that is simply their most reliable way to defeat these missiles. I had an Su-27SM hugging the ocean and I was behind him firing AMRAAM's... they were getting multipathed into the water... I had a teammate kill the guy with his own AMRAAM because he was higher altitude and was able to get the top down shot. Not only does the effect kick in at 60m now... but it's also nowhere near as extreme because 60m is the equivalent to what 100m was: That's the point it starts to happen. Basically the maximum strength you can get from it is nowhere near what it was since it only starts kicking in at a much lower altitude... it's effectively 40% weaker.
Relevent to the video, it really stinks that the F4S ICE is this way... and it sucks because I literally ground to Germany top tier air the last few months :(. It also sucks because these planes are incredibly hard to balance... kinda like the Maus tank.
Also, is anyone else experiencing freezes in battle after the update, or is it just me? I haven't been able to play. First, because I'm on Mac, it wouldn't let me log in, until they fixed that... now, it just freezes mid-battle in air RB... can't figure out what's causing it.
Maus isn't hard to balance, the problem with it was that wehraboos keept crying at gaijin to move it down to 6.7 because "historical accuracy" and gaijin removed it to rid the forums of the crying.
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@@jakobc.2558 Well, yes, BR balancing and expansion is something Gaijin needs to do. However, it is hard to balance. It has insane armor for lower tier vehicles, but the second it faces Heat FS, it's done. similarly, the F4S ICE will decimate lower tiers with its Aim 120s and upgraded radar, but its flight model can't keep up with anything higher, like f 16s and f15s.
@@cptstratboss8561 Referring to what? My computer? XD
@@braedynhoward3644 that guy is just spamming “skill issue” under a lot of comments on the video, don’t worry about it.
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I hate the fact that Gaijin balances on individual things a vehicle might have rather than the overall performance of the vehicle. For example, the F-4 in the video is only at its BR due to AMRAAMS. The XM800T is at 7.7 because of the stabilizer and APDS. There are several more vehicles that get balanced based on one or two things and it really makes the game at certain tiers worse. BR Decompression can help, but Gaijin really needs to rethink how the balance vehicles.
1. 16v16 should be 8v8 or 6v6
2. On the f4f ice it should have aim 120 stock.
3. I wish gajin would make different changes for other game modes instead of just copy pasting code, sim is fine rb is not. The whole thing about sim is simulation and the multi pathing right now is pretty sim ish. But but when gajin makes a rb update to missles and multipathing sim has to relearn everything. Not to mention the tip br bracket for sim some days is 11.7 to 13.0!
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12.3 harriers and j8f already have 2-4 ARH's so it really wouldnt make any difference, yeah playing 11.3 is pretty horrible at the moment with the viggen with f15's f16's and now ARH carriers are pretty common sight. im just gonna play 13.0 in sim now that i got gripen c and f15c grinded and not gonna go below that before they bump up ARH carriers.
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