Are Boutique Pickups Really Different?
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#1 Brighter with more twang. Particularly, in overdrive.
Agree
Exactly my thoughts. Definition of the strings is better as well to my ears.
Totally! 1st sounded like a Tele, 2nd I can only describe as being more Strat like.
First was brighter and more “spanky” sounding, with more string to string definition, even with OD.
The second pickup sounded a little darker with less top end. With the OD, it had more grit. It sounded like it had more output than the first.
I listened through headphones. Pickup #1 sounded balanced, bright, and twangy with distortion. Pickup #2 was noticeably quieter by several decibels than the other pickup. It sounded weak, and no twang. I think the difference in volume level makes it very hard/unfair to compare their tonal qualities. If the volume is too low on my guitar, it sound's anemic, but when I turn it up a bit, it sound's great.
Both sounded great! #1 was more "Tele-ish", twangy and with more clarity clean. #2 was "darker", better dirty tones than #1.Very similar, just personal tonal preferences.
I instantly thought first pickup was brighter, but playing this over a few times, I can't say that I'm entirely certain that with pickup 2 you're not catching the high strings with less attack... In other words what I'm saying is that the difference I can perceive is small enough that it could be the result of a small difference in your playing.
It might have been easier and less distracting if you had tuned the guitar.
They were both stock pups! I watched them through my telescope and they were just laughing away saying " We're really fooling these guys ".
Both cool pickups. The first one seemed a little more mellow to my ears and the second had a really nice bite, especially with the overdrive.
I would be very happy to have either one of these in my tele, they both sound great. The first one sounds more like a “classic “tele bridge pick up, very chimey. The second one has a little bit more snarl to it, I guess by having a few more mids. I tend to favor the second one especially when gain is added to it. If I had to put money on it, I would say the second pick up is the Dylan.
TBH read the comments section by mistake before the video started, so went in with some expectations. So no comments on the differences, coz I heard the same as ppl have commented. Awesome work as always . Thanks
I heard a warmer tone from pickup 1. The lows were warmer and a slightly fuller sound. Pickup 2 sounded thinner and there was more of a treble sound from the lows. This pickup seemed to have more of the tele high sound. Pickup one I would not cut the tone, pickup 2 I would use the tone knob. Thank you for giving us this type of test. Stay safe and be blessed
I agree that it would be easier to tell if there was any difference buy hearing 4 bars side by side my ear is not experienced enough to really hear any difference 🤘🎸
Even listening with a full surround sound and HDMI rig I can't detect any real difference in the 2 pickups, but then if i turned it up to full there msy be a little something there to detect. If the actual spec numbers are as close as i think they might be then there wouldn't be a detectable difference anyway.
When Pickup 1 demo started, within a few seconds, I said: "There's no way that's a Dylan telecaster pickup". Too much high-end, very chimey. Pickup 2 came on and sure enough it was just a little smoother, a little darker. I felt like the difference was even clearer under distortion. #1 seemed to fizzle out into ball of fuzz, like brighter pickups do when driven. #2 held it together better, the drive tints it instead of overwhelming it. Opinion part - #2 sounds better when driven... usually I want maximum twang, jangle, chime, and what have you... but I'd have to go with #2 due to the dirty sound seeming more defined.
Second one sounds a bit warmer I suppose, maybe a little "smoother" with the gain. Maybe a bit more lower mids, or maybe that's more lack of highs bringing them out a bit more. It's fairly subtle though, I'd probably go for the first one and then if I want it warmer using my guitars controls. Question though, how exact is the pickup balance, in terms of height and angles(left, right, center screws)? I only ask because in my experience even a nudge of the screws can change the tone. So I have to kind of wonder how much of what I'm hearing is coming from the pickups, and how much is coming from the pickup balance.
Dude, you were literally 30 miles away from me when you were in Arma. I wish I had known, we could have met up and I could have given you the shop tour. Let me know if you come back through Joplin, MO
I appreciate the methods taken in this experiment.
I perfer the second pickup much more to my ears, the first one is too bright for me
Hey Dylan, Ben here from Australia who sent you the coffee. Hope you enjoyed it by the way! Do you think it would be worth including a link to the .wav files so the UA-cam compression doesn't play a part? Maybe that's an idea for a video? Can you hear the difference between the raw files and the UA-cam compressed version???
#1 all the way. Like several folks mentioned, 1 had more presence, snappier, clearer. #2 warmer and sounded like more a jazz/funk tone. If your giving them away, you can send me #1 to Canada. Thanks
To my ear pickup A was brighter with a lil more tang to it while pickup B was a muddled and darker while clean.
I'd like pickup A as a neck fr sure. Keep em comin, Dylan. Another instant classic.
could be wrong, but i thought there was a difference for sure. wondered if pickup height was the same, or if your picking location/ style was altered in any way. #1 seemed more like the vintage tele tone to me. thanks.
Pickup 2 had a touch more high end roll-off, only realy noticable with gain/overdrive. Pickup 1 slightly less low mids, allowing for a clearer attack on both overdrive and clean. No preference, both were outstanding but different. I'd hazard a guess, from both makers other work that 1 was the Dylan wound pickup, and 2 the John wound pickup.
Both were cool. The first seemed brighter and hotter which is surprising because the same number of winds and same materials were used. The second, the output seemed a bit lower but somehow the same root tone. But then also, a bit smoother especially on higher gain or crunch. I am normally a high output cat but I think I would roll with the 2nd one as my favorite.
My son and I liked the tone on pickup 1 and 2....1 had a little more ring when clean
I liked the 2nd pickup. A little smoother top end and uniform note volume. I mean if we're splitting hairs. :)
I Liked both, number one on the clean setting more brightness, but number two on the overdrive had more meat!
Wow I didn't expect to hear a difference, but 1 was noticably brighter and seemed to have mire output.
There is going to be a difference, a manufacturing variation, between multiple pickups even wound in a machine with a mechanical wire feed. There will probably be a greater difference between successive pickups when the wire feed is guided by hand, even if it is the same person winding them. Measurements of the inductance, self capacitance, magnet strengths and winding resistance would clearly show these differences.
Can the highs be rolled off #1 to still achieve the sound of #2? I like #2 better but maybe like in your scatter wind video #1 just retains more highs giving the option to keep them or roll them out.
I am still looking for my first guitar but beyond knowing I want a tele, I have made no decisions. So all i can really say about comparing these pickups is that I prefer the 1st pickup. It does not sound as hot to my uneducated ear but tone is very close... enough so that after hearing these and i bought the first pickup, if you sent me the second, i would not know and would still be tickled with it.
I'm surprised that the output is so much higher on Pickup One, given that they're both supposed to have the same number of windings! The EQ is quite similar; Pickup One has slightly more bass and mids, but that's probably just due to the higher output. Once you kick in some dirt, the differences basically vanish.
I heard a difference in the mids. #1 slightly scooped and #2 more mid forward. I have no clue who built which though.
#2 was what i like more full and sweet, it was more reactive to pick attack. But they both sounded good. Im guessing around 7k
It looks like you played #1 slightly closer to the bridge. I was going brighter and open on #1 and warmer with more mids on #2, but I think your hand position changed the sound
with you on the 2 part video. thought the first had a bit more output, second slightly more hi less mid. but im listening on my phone so you could be playing the vacuum;-)
Agree with the comments that 1 sounds like what I think vintage means.
I feel like I would be pushing my gain and eq levels a little higher with it than #2; #2 I would probably cap those levels around 12 o'clock on the amp, maybe 6 for the bass/mids. I would probably also use the guitar's volume and time control to dial it back a little bit when needed, moreso than the first.
I feel like I'd be more at home with 1, but would get used to 2 providing a bit extra range.
Yes I'm assuming a TON here and filling in a lot of blanks... That's the best I got for ya 😜
1st Pickup seems slightly Brighter then P/Up #2, For my personal taste I would select Number #2 but either Tone is acceptable so choice depends on personal taste. But if both were for sale at identical Prices you choose tone, if Prices were Less for one the then Other a Value taking least expensive would be deciding factor as Pickups are That Close in Everything as far as Tone
To my ears, #2 sounded like it had a slighter tighter low, #1 sounded rounder and more full bodied, full frequency, 2 slightly thinner. Both sounded great.
The guitar is so out of tune that is all I could hear
My thoughts exactly.
WTF!
#1 more harmonics and higher output
#2 very slightly warmer like a mild mid-scoup
Both identifiably Tele pickups, 1 seemed hotter and a bit more high-midrangey, 2 sounded more balanced across the EQ. I feel like 2 would handle higher gain a bit better, while 1 is more apt to drive an edge-of-breakup amp better than 2 would.
What is the resistance of these pickups? Are they both the same?
definitely, DEFINITELY prefer pickup 2. more throaty mid spangle instead of anvil twang. there's a use for pickup 1: seems like more of a straight-ahead rock&roll pickup & not sure how they'd handle pedals, etc.
Hey Dylan. Seems like very little difference between the two pickups. It seemed to me like #2 might have been a slight bit quieter and darker. But with UA-cam compression it really ridiculously hard to tell if what you’re hearing would translate to what you hear in the room. I would guess it’s so close as to be a difference that makes no difference.
The 2d pup with the overdrive sounded bad ass
Pickup 2 seems more articulate and touch sensitive a bit warmer too versus the twangy pickup 1
What I'd like to see/hear is for either/both of you to wind the same pickup, but say six of them. Given their hand wound thing, how consistent are they. Follow? If someone orders "model X", will it be the same as your model X made on a different day. Not knocking your skill at all. Just wondering how consistent you can be with hand remaining the winds.
I think that the first one had more bass response and sounded fuller, I though the second one had a alot of highs and had more clarity under distortion
#1 had more sparkle and it appeared to be recorded a little hotter or that could have been the pickup. #1 also made the G string sound a bit out of tune. ;)
I like it when you put em in two videos, but I think you should play shorter parts to be compared.
But I think pu1 sounded clearer than pu2, anyway, I would take both in my Harley Benton Te-20.
For comparisons:
5:13 = 5:58
5:23 = 6:59
5:38 = 6:24
There was a definite sound difference but it's a bit hard to genuinely pinpoint what the difference was. Certain times pickup one sounds brighter, then certain times pickup two sounds brighter. It's a mixup but there was a difference.
Clarity and twang higher in #1, #2 crunchier and more energy. Both cool.
For me pup number 1. To my ears which are shot, it had a more open voice.
Thats a cool test rig!
Yes, big difference. #1 has a lot more highs than #2. I would roll back the treble on #1 and leave #2 where it is. They both sound awesome ‼️
To me, the first pickup has a little more output and a little more girth or warmth. The second pickup has a little bit more of that Tele twang, a little thinner, and more upper midrange bark. That said, the difference is subtle. My guess would be that the difference is the wind tightness. I'm guessing the tighter wind would be the first pickup and the second pickup is the one with a looser wind. One possible way to quantify that would be to measure the coil thickness/width. The tighter wind should have a smaller measurement while, of course, the looser wind should measure larger. My reasoning for this is that the tighter wind will have a little bit more capacitance and since more coil is packed into less space, you get more energy density ( more output and girth ) and with the looser wound pickup, the capacitance is lower and fewer highs are lost, and because the coil is less dense, has less energy density ( or less output and less girth ). That is my best guess anyway. As to who made which pickup? Well, I guess we will find out. If I had to chose which one I liked the most? These days I am like a girl with her shoe collection...... One pair for every occasion. I guess I would lean more towards pickup one, but I sure do appreciate a pickup with some twang to it like pickup #2. I'm on the fence. Interested in the results!
For some reason the pickup #1 sounds a bit bolder to me. Or just louder. Are you sure you didn't play with more intensity when recording the first one?
Haven't actually looked at the video during the swap. But I think there's a difference and I'm pretty sure I know how your pups sound. I suggest having someone else play the tele.
I liked #1 clean. More mid focused and seemed higher in output. #2 was more even... not enough character for me...Vintage-like. When used with an overdrive they sounded similar but the mid presence of #1 sealed the deal for me. Big, round, and full.
I listened to this a few times, and my subjective point of view is the first pickup was brighter or more pronounced high frequencies. The second one seemed more balanced, and the lower frequencies were more noticeable.
Where can I get me one of those testing bodies??? Looks F****** awesome!!!
That test guitar is really cool.
My immediate reaction was that I preferred the first one...
Had another listen and got my wife in on it and she said the first sounded more 'lively'.
hey, where do i get the answer? give me a link plz..
To my ears, pup 1 had limited base range. Pup 2 had a better overall sound. Are the pickups wax potted? I hear a ring when some chords were strummed.
I prefer #1's plainer twang when clean and #2's fuller body when dirty. That suggests that #1 has more highs and #2 has more mids. I reckon #1 is John's and #2's Dylan's. Gimme both please.
I’ll be very surprised if pickup #2 isn’t a Dylan pickup. Seems to me it was a bit more jazzier and was a bit brighter with just a bit more sustain.
I’m a newby, so......I really couldn’t tell any difference. It seemed like maybe the volume was a little lower on the second one.
On a phone, with no headphones, I prefered the 1st pick up, both were fine and I would be happy with either, if I had a tele.
First one seems brighter and the second one seems more mellow. At least to me. I hope the second one is yours I liked it better.
What is the price difference?
The differences could be due to how he's playing... more attack on #1, softer attack on #2.
First set more presence and clarity. Second more compact in a vintage direction. I would take the 1st one.
It'd make a great neck fr sure. Bridge too, but I think that the first would sound pretty sweet ina 60s mustang's neck. And yes I know it wouldn't work but it'd sound awesome.
there's a noticeable difference in volume which rules out noticing any change in tone
It sounded like the first was more twangy, perhaps due to more highs? Both sounded great either way imo.
Think Pickup 2 handled overdrive a bit better, Pickup 1 seemed a bit "fuzzy," but that's okay too. Another factor might be where deployed. Neck or bridge.
Seems to me like I was hearing a lil difference in pick attack.I agree with the ones that said ,a 4 bar riff that is the same between dirty and then same with clean.Which your asking a guy that still doen't believe you're hearing a true sound through youtube.Its like an amp comparison on here.How can you really tell without hearing them in person.Or how how a guitar is going to play.Just my opinion though
The first seemed thinner and bright. The second seemed more full and darker smoother. I like the second better seemed fuller.
pickup 1 seemed louder and brighter with a more pronounced/present midrange, also sounded 'bigger' and more 'in-your-face'. pickup 2 seemed more tame, a little more compressed, less-present in the lower registers.
Both were cool.
Pickup 1 sounded more full and open to me.
Pickup 2 sounded a bit thin, slightly towards high end.
My preference is Pickup 1.
1 brighter, more upper mids. More punchy with overdrive. 2 - sweet sounding clean. Nice smooth bottom end.
Probably just how you're playing, but it sounds to me like the first pickup had a little more attack punch.
I felt like the #1 pickup had more warmth with good low end and midrange tones while the highs punched through with overdrive.
The #2 pickup seemed to have more mid and highs ranges and seemed to have good definition when you hit it with the overdrive, staying tight in that range with good clear tones.
No sure which is which but you noodled longer on #2. Seemed like you might have been listening intently to a pick up you did not make....
BOTH sounded good! \m/
The first one sounded just a little bit hotter than the second, as if you had the volume rolled back just a touch for the second pup.
#1 sounded a bit better to me, but the difference is subtle and can be just placebo thing. However, to be honest, I wouldn't buy either of them. Is 9400 wounds a hot pickup? Because they both sounded too hot for my taste, not "poky" enough.
Assuming the tone and volume are set the same: pickup #1 seems brighter with more highs. I personally prefer the sound of pickup #2 as played.
pickup one seemed to have more clarity and volume, its a pity the guitar sounded so out of tune in both clips though.
how is it that there's any difference!? #2 felt clearer when dirty, more midrange? and yet somehow it felt less midrangy or high twangy when clean? hmmmm, prefer #2 though
agree. i think he played #1 slightly closer to the bridge.
Sherkhan position is a big thing
@@nalukeko I didn't even consider that, but it definitely changes the sound at least as much as the pickup! I felt like there were slight differences in the "takes", like the actual playing between the 2 samples, even before reading this.
Ideally you'd have it picked by a robot pickin' machine that would do it exactly the same every time. It'd feel like listening to a test tone recording, but, to really nail super small differences like that it's the best way.
I preferred the first pickup. It sounded sharper to me with clear sound. I did not see the second video... let me see now
I CAN hear a difference. But I can't make a distinguishing eq differences because of the different riffs and gain levels in different orders. Need back to back same riffs same gain levels etc. . . . (ala Daryl Braun guitar channel) not trying to compare or bash. Just saying-for future reference 😉
Either way both sound good. . . . I believe I like the first one better
BRAVO !!! No not applause but the one i prefer.
Both sound great, pickup #1 sounded a little brighter with a more punch. I love scientific experiments like this.....we need more of this, and less marketing jargon! I also love how 'matter of fact' you are about even your own product...no BS, just information.
I like both !! Sound different, the 1st have more output and the 2 sound more vintage to me ...
Same thoughts. First just poked through more. Second was curbed off in the high end.
Yeah, A seemed more aggressive, B smoother. Both had TOANZ.
To me they sound the same, but I am listening on cheap earbuds on my iPad so any subtle differences would be lost anyway. I would guess the difference will be less than between June and July and not everybody can tell the difference there either. 🤪
For me, the second pickup sounded more clear and slightly less harsh. I prefer the second one if I were to buy one of these.
To my ears, Pickup 1 was very bright, classic "twang" (More output?) While the Pickup 2 a bit more articulate, smoother, slightly subdued (vintage "spank"?) I'd prefer #2, but think either one's a good choice, it's just a matter of what you're looking for.
The first seems more open and louder. The second sounds more even sounding and quieter. I definitely preferred the first one.
first one is a bit brighter i think, more like a srv tone