This tournament, fatality beat trela, kome, komorikiri, Nairo, Kirihara, CaptainZack, and T. Beating 3 players who out-placed him on the PGR v2 and getting to grand finals in one of the biggest tournaments in smash 4 history. Fatality faced off against players he often lost against previously, and in my opinion, he won this tournament for the fans.
I agree it does take an amount of skill to use any character and zack does actually seem like a cool guy. But bayo is actually ridiculous and the set he had with mr r really made me see how busted she is. Mr r was outplaying him almost 100 percent of the set but the few mistakes mr r did zack cheesed him out and stole the w. The kills off the top are harder to do now but witch time is undeniably the most broken thing a smash game has seen. And people didn't want her to be nerfed LUL
Joe Sanchez that's why they played 3 games. To reduce variability. But it doesn't matter because fatality consistently outplayed him for the rest of the set anyway.
At the end of the day Fatality had to put much more effort to beating Zack than vice versa. Props to Fatality for doing an amazing performance you deserve it more than these other players who prefer to get top 8 the easy way with lame ass characters
ubadman1 I was attacking bayo players I should've been more broad cause this top 8 was great. I personally believe they like bayo because that's the easy way to get to the top just like Ice Climbers in melee. But too bad a character can't win you tournaments, only your fundamentals can win you tournaments
I liked it when Zack actually made a respectful farewell sign to the crowd after losing to Dabuz, would fully respect him had he kept that composure here. I mean, I know it sucks to SD twice in a set, but come on. If you're gonna taunt and bring salt to the opponent over every possible detail, at least get over your own fuck ups.
Nothing, but considering he taunts both in the game and IRL in every set he wins, it would've been good to see him hold the L and stay loyal to his gag even after a loss like this. To see that he did it with Dabuz but not with Fatality leads me to believe that he's salty over his loss to him.
oh of course he is...he knows he played like shit with a character thats really good. Meanwhile Fatality played like a pro with a character who gets generally murked in the match up
I'm happy to see a Falcon player defy the odds of a tier list very convincingly! Proof that determination in learning your character inside and out, as well as sticking with it during all matchups side by side, gets you the chance of win. And win he deserved. Great work, Fatality!
Seriously everyone, the hate has to stop. Zack is a young dude that has grown in a very competitive scene. He just has a lot of personality, not trying to be horrible. Trust me, I'm happy a Captain Falcon player won, but no need to bully the kid. That's very cowardly and reflects negatively on us as a community.
If you were in twitch chat during this set, you might remember the spam I started: "Bayonetta's lame PeoplesChamp Rosa so mundane PeoplesChamp Who can save the day PeoplesChamp A Captain Falcon main! PeoplesChamp" The copypasta got so bad that the moderators had to put chat in subscriber only mode. It was the most popular meme I ever made even if it was only for a couple minutes :)
At Clutch City Clash in 2016 Fatality lost to Zack. This match he came way prepared for how Bayo works. If you watch them side by side, you can see the difference
its funny seeing all these keyboard warriors hate on zack for being flashy and dancing n shit, even though the top players have nothing but respect for him and are totally cool with it. its lucky zack doesnt mind being a 'villain,' because some of the shit i see the community say is just straight up bullying the kid for being flamboyant. disgusting community of people hiding behind screens...
bAker305 Pop offs and being confident is one thing. Being a cocky and disrespectful player is another. He literally stats silent and doesn't move a muscle or bother looking at the crowd when he looses, but when he wins a game last hit, he flips his hair and winks at the crowd. Sorry, but if I was fatality, I would've done the esam and draw a horizontal line across my neck with my thumb and then do falcon's "C'MON!" Taunt. Then we'll see how he feels.
and if someone counter-taunted Zack or also celebrated beating him, that would also be totally ok too lol you're missing the point. It is 100% ok for people to pop off as long as they arent personally insulting/bullying. Just look at Ally's tweet about Zack- none of the top players are bothered by him at all. Its a double standard applied specifically to Zack because he's flamboyant. Hikaru bangs his chest like DK and Esam has the pop off of the year and people think its awesome, but Zack dances and people wanna fight him? dont be dumb, guys
Sebastian Krasnicki Legit after reading more comments and seeing more matches, I've changed my opinion. I guess I was just mad at the fact that he's good 😂 After Genesis 4 and the incident with Komo, I was very salty torwards Zack and was very thick skulled. I sat down and thought about it and realized that he's just being hype. He loves his character, and I'll respect him for that. Still hate bayo tho 😆 Sorry Zack 💖
Zack enrages players to make them play overly aggressive. Meanwhile fatality is so aggressive it has no effect. Zack was so scared he had multiple SDs as bayo
I love how people will say bayo is op when there is video evidence directly above Thier comment about how to sdi and di her combo game. people are so dumb they can't even recognize good play against a bayo because they are so blind by their hate. fatality played amazingly well. while Zach didn't play his best fatality contributes a lot to that. great set. getting top 8 here was almost the same as winning almost any other event.
The Internet Pacifist I don't think that thin little cloth protects him from anything... I've also seen it off at a couple of tournaments. He just does it to look edgy
pretty much convinced the majority of the vocal community does nothing but whine and complain about shut but don't actually compete in any thing for smash.
All these people mad because Zack is rising up in the ranks while having fun. Sure he's taunted irl and in game. The man can do whatever he wants. Taunts were made for a reason, TO USE THEM! He's never bashed on any of the players in the community so he isn't disrespectful. He's not arrogant because he excepts his lost, shown here. Did I mention he's HAVING FUN! It's not his fault half of you can't beat a Bayo after the patch. It's stupid to hate a man for taunting, if anything it helps him relax and pressure his opponents as a bait. Zack do your thing my boi, let them hate. Leffen, ZeRo, and Ken were all hated but were and still are some of the best in Sm4sh and Melee. From another "immature and arrogant" teenager
You are a terrible person and you deserve every bad thing that happen to you. You are literally wishing the death of a 15 years old for playing with a top tier in a videogame,persons like you are the ones killing this community
Reading comments then getting curious about why this kid who's essentially just playing a video game is getting this amount of hate affirms how petty, on the bandwagon closed communities can get. Playing a character and taunting (which are made for a fucking reason, like it or not) apparently is enough to make you worse than the devil. Keep doing you Smash community.
Vinson Games bayo mains don't see it as that much in her favor at high level original falcon and fox were thought to be free for her but the reality is falcon grab game and both fox and falcon have much better frame data it can overwhelm her as long as they don't blindly through out buttons
ubadman1 No, Bayo beat both of them 60/40. Bayo is too safe on block and they both don't have any good projectile. Fatality just beat Zack, but the match up is still awful for Falcon
xFalseAngelx okay how old are you? You behave like a 12 year old. All I said was that CaptainZack is a really good player,especially for his young age. And uhm...Fatality is not just SOME falcon lmao. Fatality is an incredibly amazing player ,the best Falcon. So uhm...yeah why would I be mad? You are the one who's mad because you are probably the one who gets rekt by for glory bayonettas every day lmao
Its 2017 and people still salty about bayo lol. The catch is the same persons are just casual shits who should not have problems with competitive smash
Zack is slowly becoming my favorite player. Props to him for making it far in a tournament full of killers. I hope the hate doesn't get to him. Bayo is hype for me. I can understand the bashing she gets in the context of this game. I'm used to that sort of broken stuff though, coming from older Capcom games before getting into Smash. It's in the game, so why not use it? Lolol. Now, if three or four Bayos were running amok and getting top 5 placings all the time, then I'd probably be hating too. But in this current state? Things are fiiiiiiiineeeee.
That's pretty much how I feel about Bayo and a few of the other top tiers. Someone is bound to the best, and to have busted stuff. So I can't get upset at that. In fact, like the case with Bayo, I find it exciting. I do get annoyed at character over-saturation, though. Luckily that doesn't happen often in this game. We were on the verge of having three Rosalinas in top 8. I would have not looked forward to that, lmao.
Alirio Cervantes I come frommarvel too this smash community would lose its mind at the existence of an actual broken character. mvc 2 sentinel or original dark phoenix or zero. they don't know how to adapt.
I feel terrible saying this, but... I think I like Cashmere's Falcon better. After watching Cashmere, this match looks like it's going in slow motion. I hate saying it, because Fatality has a lot of skill, way more than I'll ever have, and he's probably the better Falcon than Cash, but when it comes down to which player I'd rather watch, Cashmere is likely to have a more exciting game, win or lose.
So which is wrong? Taunting in the match that Sakurai actually put in the game and dancing like the character because it's fun(Similar to the Japanese DK player) Or.... The majority of the people bullying a 15 year old who is just trying to enjoy the game for what it is? The real assholes are the one's behind that computer screen saying bullshit. Y'all would never say it irl, but would because that keyboard protects you. What Zack is doing isn't even morally wrong. Even Hyuga gets more love then him and Hyuga fucking molested someone in the Smash community. You people need to chill and remember that this is just a game. It's not against the rules to taunt mid match, it's not against the rules to dance, but I'm sure as hell that it's against the rules to bully. That is how Leffen was banned back then. If Bayonetta really does carry, how about you guys show it. Go to a tournament, play Bayonetta, and dominate with her. Lets see if it'll work for you, or...you'll realize that even if Bayonetta is very powerful, you would still need a whole lot of knowledge on your opponent, characters, and other important tools. Oh wait, it's the smash community, they'll just ignore all that because they're scrubs.
Osiris197 I'm talking about a major or national, not no easy ass tournament. I swept tournaments with jiggs before and I don't even play her. If u can't place like captain zack, then y'all need to stfu
Osiris197 So apparently taunting and dancing is being an asshole. And people is hating on Bayonetta even though the Smash community was the one that brought her in the game. I perfectly understand that. Bayo isn't even banned so she's allowed. Another thing, Zack literally spent 600 hours only on Bayonetta. Why would you say he was getting carried by her? That's dumb as hell
Osiris197 Actually each of the character you named has notable weakness. Samus hitbox and rolls, kirbys light and lack of range, shulks frame data, etc just light Bayonetta who lacks start up. But the thing with Bayonetta is that her strengths compensates. Honestly the only nerf Bayo needs is that up b. Give it less hitstun so connecting with up air is a 50/50 instead of being a combo and give it more end lag so that up b to side b would have a smaller combo range. Witch Time isn't as powerful as you think. It's punishable like all other counters and can be baited. You also can't spam it on whiff because it can be staked unlike other counters.
Even so, character's strengths comes from what they can do in their own game. The character's you've mentioned like Diddy, Marth, and Fox doesn't have the movesets that came from their own game because of their own genre. Well they do, but mostly they were original. Especially Fox. Fox has never shown to be fighting, but his movesets made him into a combat fighter. Someone like Ryu is the perfect example for my argument. Having moves that can be buffered to combo into another, especially one as strong as True Shoryuken. Samus has the move pool that came from her own game, but they didn't give her all these crazy stuff from her original game. Smash 4 has 4 special buttons, so they used what she had in her earlier games since she was in smash since 1998. If you played the original samus game, you can see why those are the movesets chosen for Smash 4 instead of what she can do now, because of the original smash. They did made Shulk powerful like in his game, they just added in a weakness for him that is very exploitable such as his frame data. Same for Bayonetta, but the difference is that even though Bayonetta has noticeable weakness which is frame data and end lag, her other tools compensates that. We would have been better off with someone like K Rool who I don't want, but he obviously wouldn't be toxic because he'll be combo food because of what he is. It won't make sense to have K Rool as small as ZSS lol. You have to look at how the character may work in the game before voting for them. Issac would have been a good choice, K Rool would have been decent, even shovel knight wouldn't have been broken. Bayonetta however, she is made for the combat style. Taking that away wouldn't make her Bayonetta since that is what she is known for. Sakurai doesn't want to include any character that takes away anything unique to them. Even though the smash community didn't know Bayonetta would have been broken, they should have looked into her a bit more. Like Witch Time, c'mon? Have you guys ever thought about Witch Time in Bayonetta 2 and go like "hey, how would witch time work in smash?" It will work like it does in her own damn game, except it'll be broken when it's in smash. Similar thing can be said with Shulk, but with shulk, it's impossible to turn back time in game since both players can actually alter what they can do. Another thing, I don't get how you can say Bayonetta carries a player. Why is it that Zack is the only Bayonetta in top 5 at Civil War? Yea Zack was irrelevent before Bayo, but players play better with the right character in their hand. Who would ZeRo be if he stayed with Fox instead of Sheik and Diddy? Who would Nairo be if he stayed with DPit and Robin instead of ZSS? Switching over to another character can improve your results because they fit your style of play better. ZeRo can't go from being already the best with Diddy, and dominating using Bayonetta. He'll actually play worse if he put in the time with Bayonetta. The proof is that ZeRo has a Cloud. He has been playing Cloud for awhile, and everytime he brings a Cloud in bracket, it gets bodied. The point is that there is no character in smash that carries people, not even super pre patch bayonetta. The Bayonetta with results out of nowhere with pre patch bayo like Tyroy, 9B, Salem, Saj, PinkFresh, and Captain Zack, are literally getting the same or even better results with post patch bayo then pre patch. Especially Tyroy since he beaten Abadango 3-0. Darkshad, Zinoto, Hyuga, etc. Now lets look at his post bayo record. Pre patch, Tyroy couldn't beat Ally or Esam. Post patch, he beaten them. Esam however, his pre patch bayo lost to Esam's Pikachu, but after bayonetta nerf, Tyroy didn't use Bayo against Esam, but MK and beaten him which is proof that he has skills and knowledge with the need of Bayonetta. He also picked Bayonetta back up and defeated Ally twice. The point I'm making is that you can't get carried. You have to have knowledge on the game to utilize her properly. Am I saying she's not broken, well I wouldn't say she's broken, but extremely powerful. What's broken is something like Hoo Hah, pre patch sheik, and pre patch bayo.
Timothy Tan Yeah the hate is separated. Some people hate him because he uses Bayo. Others hate him because he taunts and does those cringy dance moves and whatever
scatt said if fatality won the set he would share his wings
true motivation
An actual good comment in this trash comment section
Hoenn101 Right?
Zack claimed some enormous names this tournament and was on a roll to win.
And then Fatality made him look worse than a For Glory Bayo.
Dreadfury to his respect Fatality was playing out of his mind this tournament
This tournament, fatality beat trela, kome, komorikiri, Nairo, Kirihara, CaptainZack, and T. Beating 3 players who out-placed him on the PGR v2 and getting to grand finals in one of the biggest tournaments in smash 4 history. Fatality faced off against players he often lost against previously, and in my opinion, he won this tournament for the fans.
coaching with food in hand, great job Doc louis
My favorite comment in this very hateful comment section.
Thank you Fatality for taking out Zack
Yup ... Fatality knows how to take out the garbage.
brawlgcn lmao
Katch'emAll nah, bayonetta takes no skill
I agree it does take an amount of skill to use any character and zack does actually seem like a cool guy. But bayo is actually ridiculous and the set he had with mr r really made me see how busted she is. Mr r was outplaying him almost 100 percent of the set but the few mistakes mr r did zack cheesed him out and stole the w. The kills off the top are harder to do now but witch time is undeniably the most broken thing a smash game has seen. And people didn't want her to be nerfed LUL
Ew0lfo maybe top 3 in the game maybe not even top 5.
I dunno what's more satisfying, Fatality making it this far with Solo Falcon or Fatality destroying Captain Zack?
why not both haha
Dapuffdaddy 69 nah, it's Captain Zack SDing the 1st stock on Match 1 😄
Dapuffdaddy 69 Both lmao, im always glad to see Zack lose
Both lmao
Joe Sanchez that's why they played 3 games. To reduce variability. But it doesn't matter because fatality consistently outplayed him for the rest of the set anyway.
Taunt on everyone, body yourself lol
xLordxHades Exactly what happened to Marss.
Zack does it to make players play aggressively. Which messes them up.
i love fatality
That combo at 6:07 to a super quick death...that was just mind blowing! :O
Such a satisfying watch
This set restored my faith in beating Bayo
Cyrekt she is OP tho
+Dantiel Barbosa She's good, but she isn't op. You're just bad.
XZGears even top players think she's #1 and even overpowered. Not just mid levels
#1 =/= overpowered, and even then, I doubt most would definitively call her the absolute best
Sup, Cyrekt. o.0
Coach Scatt!!! Fatality is cleaning up this tournament!!! Let's go!!!!!
I'm confused. Isn't Zack the guy who dances after matches? Why didn't he dance this time??
Cuz he lost
At the end of the day Fatality had to put much more effort to beating Zack than vice versa. Props to Fatality for doing an amazing performance you deserve it more than these other players who prefer to get top 8 the easy way with lame ass characters
Andres Pena excuse me? the top 8 was bayo Rosa link falcon zss. which of those characters is easy there are no clouds or Diddy players.
ubadman1 I was attacking bayo players I should've been more broad cause this top 8 was great. I personally believe they like bayo because that's the easy way to get to the top just like Ice Climbers in melee. But too bad a character can't win you tournaments, only your fundamentals can win you tournaments
Agree
yeah lets go fatality, it's a trip rewatching smash 4 after july 2020
Satisfying how much people have learned the Bayo MU. There was no killing Bayonetta combo and only one connecting witch time. Good Stuff Fatality
I liked it when Zack actually made a respectful farewell sign to the crowd after losing to Dabuz, would fully respect him had he kept that composure here.
I mean, I know it sucks to SD twice in a set, but come on. If you're gonna taunt and bring salt to the opponent over every possible detail, at least get over your own fuck ups.
sorry but what's wrong with just giving your opponent a handshake then leaving?
Nothing, but considering he taunts both in the game and IRL in every set he wins, it would've been good to see him hold the L and stay loyal to his gag even after a loss like this.
To see that he did it with Dabuz but not with Fatality leads me to believe that he's salty over his loss to him.
oh of course he is...he knows he played like shit with a character thats really good. Meanwhile Fatality played like a pro with a character who gets generally murked in the match up
The game playing in the video is definitely Bayonetta (2009).
fatality should have put his hand out to shake then saluted and turned to the crowd like "SHOW ME YOUR MOVES!!!"
I'm happy to see a Falcon player defy the odds of a tier list very convincingly! Proof that determination in learning your character inside and out, as well as sticking with it during all matchups side by side, gets you the chance of win. And win he deserved. Great work, Fatality!
Seriously everyone, the hate has to stop. Zack is a young dude that has grown in a very competitive scene. He just has a lot of personality, not trying to be horrible. Trust me, I'm happy a Captain Falcon player won, but no need to bully the kid. That's very cowardly and reflects negatively on us as a community.
Jewlz Cartagena who Fucking cares lol
oh man... those 2 SDs
I love how Fatality pops off vs a lot of the other players, but vs Zak he's just like "FREE!"
Why is he wearing a mask? Does he think he's edgy?
ModernWarAsian If ur sick or think ur sick u have to I believe
ModernWarAsian Or allergies
"ModernWarAsian" lol foh
he can see the future
If you were in twitch chat during this set, you might remember the spam I started: "Bayonetta's lame PeoplesChamp Rosa so mundane PeoplesChamp Who can save the day PeoplesChamp A Captain Falcon main! PeoplesChamp"
The copypasta got so bad that the moderators had to put chat in subscriber only mode.
It was the most popular meme I ever made even if it was only for a couple minutes :)
My fucking god, Fatality is in BEAST MODE!!!!!
The first stock of the last match holy shit. xD
Captain Zack was clearly on tilt here. I wonder if the haters got to him.
Lol where's Salem? Why's Zack getting coached by the Wal-Mart brand Bayo player?
Most satisfying thing I've ever watched.
a bit upsetti that Fatality didn't taunt tho, lol
I'm a Fatality fan, and I don't like Bayo at all, but I kinda feel bad for Zack. It just seemed like his heart wasn't in it after the first 2 games.
This match made me keep hope in smash 4 back in the dayb
Fatality played fuckin amazing this tourney
At Clutch City Clash in 2016 Fatality lost to Zack. This match he came way prepared for how Bayo works. If you watch them side by side, you can see the difference
I think Fatality's mom is still satisfied for him for taking out the trash
There is a difference between tuanting in the game and tuanting in between rounds and winning the set to tuant for 10 seconds.
Fatality helped make this the best Smash 4 tourney of all time
I hate how muted the crowd was but it's understandable :/
Man I was saying to myself earlier that if Fatality made it to Zack, he would get destroyed.Guess I was wrong.
its funny seeing all these keyboard warriors hate on zack for being flashy and dancing n shit, even though the top players have nothing but respect for him and are totally cool with it. its lucky zack doesnt mind being a 'villain,' because some of the shit i see the community say is just straight up bullying the kid for being flamboyant. disgusting community of people hiding behind screens...
I honestly enjoy it. He puts on a show, both when fighting and when not. If that makes him happy, then I have no problem with that.
Zack brings life to the scene. He's an absolute joy imo.
bAker305 Pop offs and being confident is one thing. Being a cocky and disrespectful player is another. He literally stats silent and doesn't move a muscle or bother looking at the crowd when he looses, but when he wins a game last hit, he flips his hair and winks at the crowd. Sorry, but if I was fatality, I would've done the esam and draw a horizontal line across my neck with my thumb and then do falcon's "C'MON!" Taunt. Then we'll see how he feels.
and if someone counter-taunted Zack or also celebrated beating him, that would also be totally ok too lol you're missing the point. It is 100% ok for people to pop off as long as they arent personally insulting/bullying. Just look at Ally's tweet about Zack- none of the top players are bothered by him at all. Its a double standard applied specifically to Zack because he's flamboyant. Hikaru bangs his chest like DK and Esam has the pop off of the year and people think its awesome, but Zack dances and people wanna fight him? dont be dumb, guys
Sebastian Krasnicki
Legit after reading more comments and seeing more matches, I've changed my opinion. I guess I was just mad at the fact that he's good 😂 After Genesis 4 and the incident with Komo, I was very salty torwards Zack and was very thick skulled. I sat down and thought about it and realized that he's just being hype. He loves his character, and I'll respect him for that. Still hate bayo tho 😆 Sorry Zack 💖
Zack enrages players to make them play overly aggressive. Meanwhile fatality is so aggressive it has no effect. Zack was so scared he had multiple SDs as bayo
I love how people will say bayo is op when there is video evidence directly above Thier comment about how to sdi and di her combo game. people are so dumb they can't even recognize good play against a bayo because they are so blind by their hate. fatality played amazingly well. while Zach didn't play his best fatality contributes a lot to that. great set. getting top 8 here was almost the same as winning almost any other event.
SDI isn't everything tho
"they both hungry" LMAOOOOO
i like how youtube thinks they are playing Bayonetta 1
Zack take this bandana off you are not a gangster
It to protect him from illnesses. He wore something similar at UGC.
The Internet Pacifist protect him from illness. Then please just stay home.
The Internet Pacifist I don't think that thin little cloth protects him from anything... I've also seen it off at a couple of tournaments. He just does it to look edgy
When Zack meets a true Sm4sh God
pretty much convinced the majority of the vocal community does nothing but whine and complain about shut but don't actually compete in any thing for smash.
Had zack shook af the entire match
All these people mad because Zack is rising up in the ranks while having fun. Sure he's taunted irl and in game. The man can do whatever he wants. Taunts were made for a reason, TO USE THEM! He's never bashed on any of the players in the community so he isn't disrespectful. He's not arrogant because he excepts his lost, shown here. Did I mention he's HAVING FUN! It's not his fault half of you can't beat a Bayo after the patch. It's stupid to hate a man for taunting, if anything it helps him relax and pressure his opponents as a bait. Zack do your thing my boi, let them hate. Leffen, ZeRo, and Ken were all hated but were and still are some of the best in Sm4sh and Melee.
From another "immature and arrogant" teenager
Exactly. Zack is nowhere close to how toxic Leffen used to be a few years back in Melee.
its disrespectful to taunt irl...especially as a young person. duh.
William Harvey he's not having fun he's being disrespectful
Weapons exists for a reason, TO USE THEM!
That's what you sound like
Zack's SDs were unfortunate... looks like nerves got to him maybe.
Zach's butt must be aching after that one. He got destroyed
You know what Fatality should have said to Zack after the game? SHOW YA MOVES!! XD
Fatality is a fucking hype factory
The commentators going bat shit XD i love it omg!
can we all just say that witch time and bat within are kind of stupid she should be given a regular air dodge and counter
he walked away no silly as dance lol
lmao ppl cheering when zack sd'd
fatality = grab grab grab grab grab grab= win , ohhu come on
I see so many people salty at Zack, like actually mad and everything, that Im starting to think that Zack may be the new villain of smash 4.
Fuq Zack, Bayo is wack.
Fatality played really good, but Zack... messed up badly... everything was lost after the 2nd sd.... It sucked because he was having a great tourney
It takes zero skill to defend CaptainZack, which is kind of ironic since he's the epitome of Bayoturds.
CaptainZak isn't actually Canadian. He's actually an American pretending to be Canadian.
also captain Zack can go to a ariane grande concert and die in an explosion.
You are a terrible person and you deserve every bad thing that happen to you. You are literally wishing the death of a 15 years old for playing with a top tier in a videogame,persons like you are the ones killing this community
Reading comments then getting curious about why this kid who's essentially just playing a video game is getting this amount of hate affirms how petty, on the bandwagon closed communities can get. Playing a character and taunting (which are made for a fucking reason, like it or not) apparently is enough to make you worse than the devil. Keep doing you Smash community.
Zack was goofing off, SDed too much. Unfortunate he made it this far only to beat himself.
Of course the 15 year old is going to taunt every second he can... It was ok at first but now it's getting annoying.
Fatality may actually be a god lol
Screw Captainzack! I know this is old but idc!
Yesss! Thank you Fatality for REMOVING Captain Zack!!!
internet tough guys attacking a 15 year old I see
A nontypicalmeme 15 year old?
like you? real edgy
Internet white knights using the "he's-a-child-so-you-can't-give-him-criticism" card I see.
Who wins the matchup?
Г. Gooey Bayo 60-40 for now.
pretty sure it bayo favored quite heavily. Falcon is combo food and one witch time is dead. Fatality playing like a god
Г. Gooey 55-45 imo, same as Bayo-ZsS
Like 60:40. It's his third worse MU after Sheik and Pikachu. Fatality was just playing REALLY well because Zack and Salem have both beaten him before
Zack did suicide twice
I bet Scatt had chicken 🍗
I'm so glad fatality has destroyed zero and zack I hate them both
Bro knew 💀
rip bayo, go flaptain calcon
at least he made it this far :)
also fatality is awesome!!!.
i still feel bad for zero and mk leo (49th and 65th).
i thougt they could do better.
all that money thrown around this tourney and they cant balance the fucking audio levels..
2:10 LOL
お前が勝つたび日本の評価が変わる
Bayonetta were players are so fucking boring to watch
hey look fatality beat zack horribly and didn't feel the need to do a cringey dance
Zack losing a 60/40 match in Bayo's favor. Really?
Vinson Games bayo mains don't see it as that much in her favor at high level original falcon and fox were thought to be free for her but the reality is falcon grab game and both fox and falcon have much better frame data it can overwhelm her as long as they don't blindly through out buttons
ubadman1 No, Bayo beat both of them 60/40. Bayo is too safe on block and they both don't have any good projectile. Fatality just beat Zack, but the match up is still awful for Falcon
It's def 6/4. I think the SD's and Zacks aggressive playstyle were why he lost
Zack is so fucking good!! And he is improving consistently! I love him as a person and I respect him as a player
xFalseAngelx He is better than you will ever be lmao
xFalseAngelx and he's literally just 15 years old so bye
xFalseAngelx lol why would I be salty I know that I'm right xD
xFalseAngelx okay how old are you? You behave like a 12 year old.
All I said was that CaptainZack is a really good player,especially for his young age.
And uhm...Fatality is not just SOME falcon lmao. Fatality is an incredibly amazing player ,the best Falcon.
So uhm...yeah why would I be mad? You are the one who's mad because you are probably the one who gets rekt by for glory bayonettas every day lmao
xFalseAngelx yeah ur right I'm such a bitch ugh
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i think we all know why zack sd'd...shouldnt u be out protesting trump bruh?
Its 2017 and people still salty about bayo lol. The catch is the same persons are just casual shits who should not have problems with competitive smash
Fatality: Okay kid, let me show you how to REALLY play Smash 4.
Wow so many anti zack and bayonetta comments like dang
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Zack is slowly becoming my favorite player. Props to him for making it far in a tournament full of killers. I hope the hate doesn't get to him.
Bayo is hype for me. I can understand the bashing she gets in the context of this game. I'm used to that sort of broken stuff though, coming from older Capcom games before getting into Smash. It's in the game, so why not use it? Lolol.
Now, if three or four Bayos were running amok and getting top 5 placings all the time, then I'd probably be hating too. But in this current state? Things are fiiiiiiiineeeee.
Good for you man. I respect that. I still think Bayo is fun to watch even though she feels broken to me.
That's pretty much how I feel about Bayo and a few of the other top tiers. Someone is bound to the best, and to have busted stuff. So I can't get upset at that. In fact, like the case with Bayo, I find it exciting. I do get annoyed at character over-saturation, though. Luckily that doesn't happen often in this game.
We were on the verge of having three Rosalinas in top 8. I would have not looked forward to that, lmao.
Alirio Cervantes I come frommarvel too this smash community would lose its mind at the existence of an actual broken character. mvc 2 sentinel or original dark phoenix or zero. they don't know how to adapt.
He enjoys the hate.
Proof:mobile.twitter.com/CaptainZack_/status/846430149318864896
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I feel terrible saying this, but... I think I like Cashmere's Falcon better. After watching Cashmere, this match looks like it's going in slow motion.
I hate saying it, because Fatality has a lot of skill, way more than I'll ever have, and he's probably the better Falcon than Cash, but when it comes down to which player I'd rather watch, Cashmere is likely to have a more exciting game, win or lose.
Probably because Cashmere does Downthrow Knee a lot, and that shit's hype as fuck.
+Michael McCarty You need to slow down your playstyle against Bayo, that's just how to play "correctly" against her.
Michael McCarty Cashmere wouldn't beat Captain zack, you can't be too agressive against bayo. watch fatality vs Nairo, That set was way more hype
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Captain Zack needed to be taken down a peg. Not because he taunts all the time, but because he's just really cringey in real life.
So which is wrong?
Taunting in the match that Sakurai actually put in the game and dancing like the character because it's fun(Similar to the Japanese DK player)
Or....
The majority of the people bullying a 15 year old who is just trying to enjoy the game for what it is?
The real assholes are the one's behind that computer screen saying bullshit. Y'all would never say it irl, but would because that keyboard protects you. What Zack is doing isn't even morally wrong. Even Hyuga gets more love then him and Hyuga fucking molested someone in the Smash community.
You people need to chill and remember that this is just a game. It's not against the rules to taunt mid match, it's not against the rules to dance, but I'm sure as hell that it's against the rules to bully. That is how Leffen was banned back then.
If Bayonetta really does carry, how about you guys show it. Go to a tournament, play Bayonetta, and dominate with her. Lets see if it'll work for you, or...you'll realize that even if Bayonetta is very powerful, you would still need a whole lot of knowledge on your opponent, characters, and other important tools. Oh wait, it's the smash community, they'll just ignore all that because they're scrubs.
Osiris197 I'm talking about a major or national, not no easy ass tournament. I swept tournaments with jiggs before and I don't even play her. If u can't place like captain zack, then y'all need to stfu
Vinson Games no he hasn't. don't even dignify that with a response.
Osiris197 So apparently taunting and dancing is being an asshole. And people is hating on Bayonetta even though the Smash community was the one that brought her in the game. I perfectly understand that. Bayo isn't even banned so she's allowed. Another thing, Zack literally spent 600 hours only on Bayonetta. Why would you say he was getting carried by her? That's dumb as hell
Osiris197 Actually each of the character you named has notable weakness. Samus hitbox and rolls, kirbys light and lack of range, shulks frame data, etc just light Bayonetta who lacks start up. But the thing with Bayonetta is that her strengths compensates. Honestly the only nerf Bayo needs is that up b. Give it less hitstun so connecting with up air is a 50/50 instead of being a combo and give it more end lag so that up b to side b would have a smaller combo range. Witch Time isn't as powerful as you think. It's punishable like all other counters and can be baited. You also can't spam it on whiff because it can be staked unlike other counters.
Even so, character's strengths comes from what they can do in their own game. The character's you've mentioned like Diddy, Marth, and Fox doesn't have the movesets that came from their own game because of their own genre. Well they do, but mostly they were original. Especially Fox. Fox has never shown to be fighting, but his movesets made him into a combat fighter.
Someone like Ryu is the perfect example for my argument. Having moves that can be buffered to combo into another, especially one as strong as True Shoryuken.
Samus has the move pool that came from her own game, but they didn't give her all these crazy stuff from her original game. Smash 4 has 4 special buttons, so they used what she had in her earlier games since she was in smash since 1998. If you played the original samus game, you can see why those are the movesets chosen for Smash 4 instead of what she can do now, because of the original smash.
They did made Shulk powerful like in his game, they just added in a weakness for him that is very exploitable such as his frame data.
Same for Bayonetta, but the difference is that even though Bayonetta has noticeable weakness which is frame data and end lag, her other tools compensates that. We would have been better off with someone like K Rool who I don't want, but he obviously wouldn't be toxic because he'll be combo food because of what he is. It won't make sense to have K Rool as small as ZSS lol. You have to look at how the character may work in the game before voting for them. Issac would have been a good choice, K Rool would have been decent, even shovel knight wouldn't have been broken. Bayonetta however, she is made for the combat style. Taking that away wouldn't make her Bayonetta since that is what she is known for. Sakurai doesn't want to include any character that takes away anything unique to them.
Even though the smash community didn't know Bayonetta would have been broken, they should have looked into her a bit more. Like Witch Time, c'mon? Have you guys ever thought about Witch Time in Bayonetta 2 and go like "hey, how would witch time work in smash?" It will work like it does in her own damn game, except it'll be broken when it's in smash. Similar thing can be said with Shulk, but with shulk, it's impossible to turn back time in game since both players can actually alter what they can do.
Another thing, I don't get how you can say Bayonetta carries a player. Why is it that Zack is the only Bayonetta in top 5 at Civil War? Yea Zack was irrelevent before Bayo, but players play better with the right character in their hand. Who would ZeRo be if he stayed with Fox instead of Sheik and Diddy? Who would Nairo be if he stayed with DPit and Robin instead of ZSS? Switching over to another character can improve your results because they fit your style of play better. ZeRo can't go from being already the best with Diddy, and dominating using Bayonetta. He'll actually play worse if he put in the time with Bayonetta. The proof is that ZeRo has a Cloud. He has been playing Cloud for awhile, and everytime he brings a Cloud in bracket, it gets bodied.
The point is that there is no character in smash that carries people, not even super pre patch bayonetta. The Bayonetta with results out of nowhere with pre patch bayo like Tyroy, 9B, Salem, Saj, PinkFresh, and Captain Zack, are literally getting the same or even better results with post patch bayo then pre patch. Especially Tyroy since he beaten Abadango 3-0. Darkshad, Zinoto, Hyuga, etc. Now lets look at his post bayo record.
Pre patch, Tyroy couldn't beat Ally or Esam. Post patch, he beaten them. Esam however, his pre patch bayo lost to Esam's Pikachu, but after bayonetta nerf, Tyroy didn't use Bayo against Esam, but MK and beaten him which is proof that he has skills and knowledge with the need of Bayonetta. He also picked Bayonetta back up and defeated Ally twice.
The point I'm making is that you can't get carried. You have to have knowledge on the game to utilize her properly. Am I saying she's not broken, well I wouldn't say she's broken, but extremely powerful. What's broken is something like Hoo Hah, pre patch sheik, and pre patch bayo.
people need to separate character hate from the player don't think we're treating Zack fairly
Timothy Tan some people still hate the player
Timothy Tan Yeah the hate is separated. Some people hate him because he uses Bayo. Others hate him because he taunts and does those cringy dance moves and whatever
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yall are such babies lmaoooo let competitors be competitive none of the top players are mad at zack for a reason
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Gosh bayonetta was trash back then and shes still trash now.
satire?
@@robotichat2768 idk