I know that pve probably would get boring, but i loved frontier defense from titanfall so I hope one day there's an ltm or something that is a more fleshed out experience than something like hunt.
I always thought with how the legends play on abandoned military bases cities and settlements, duardo would have the legends pay increased if they helped deal with pirate and raiders who raid certain poi’s and we have to defend them. Almost like a frontier defense/ horde mode. Would have been really cool. Especially since overwatch partially committed on a PVE mode.
I don't think the original devs who made frontier defense even work at respawn anymore Maybe some people working there have worked on PVE type games but I really don't trust respawn to put their heads together to give us a proper PVE mode that works well Especially when they're primary focus is spent pleasing EA with $20 skins and lackluster BP for us players The reason 90% of their development effort in the game sucks ass is cause they spend all their time making new weapon skins, character skins, weapon charms, stickers, loading screens, music packs, dive trails, banner frames, banner poses, tackers, emblems, emotes, holo-sprays, quips, and heirlooms all while trying to come up with a new legend each season which makes them have to repeat the majority of the process again and again The only time they take a minute off the "development process" is when theres a game breaking bug that's ruining the season and depending on how bad it is its either patched in a week or patched in the next season So on the off time they are actually developing the game further they test new weapons and items to add to the loot pool that we don't see until 3 seasons later like the nemesis or the rampage if we even do see them at all
Slamfire Bolt was probably a shotgun hop-up, given that slamfire is a thing you can do with some shotguns where you hold down the trigger and pump the gun to cycle new rounds.
Fun fact: I was the one who started the forum post on the ea forums when the issue of losing twitch drops including mirages started happening en masse 2:02. its sad how it wasn't taken seriously and took an entire year to fully get fixed.
The name of the slamfire bolt says its most likely for the peacekeeper or the 30-30, seeing as slamfire is a term for holding down the trigger on a pump action/lever action gun that doesn't have a trigger disconnect and continuously racking the bolt to fire
TBH if there was PvE mode I would have like it to be more like frontier defense in TF2, not necessarily a defense, but with extra perks, upgrades, new enemies, co-op, and maybe mode exclusive guns
Respawn needs to experiment with some of their unused ideas, and make silly and wacky LTMS with them, they's be able to see if the community likes them, and keep the game fresh. Like maybe a gamemode for the explosive ammo, where every gun explodes or something
I think the Deathbox insight could go to Skirmishers or Recon, meanwhile something like the Syphon on kill or the reduced ultimate cool-down on kill should definitely go to Control Legends as they definitely need a second passive the most. It’d make it fairer for said classes to compete against Assault and Supports who have 2 passives.
The kill boost would make sense. But I'd make it a "wipe boost" like, if you wipe a squad after using your ult, you get a significant ult charge that could help with defending against 3rd parties.
I feel like they could have added the goleith if they made it like the trials on worlds edge. Put it on the edge of the make far away from any common end zones or popular poi's, make it so you have to summon it by choice and only then will it appear, and give good loot to whoever kills it. I don't see any problem with that tbh. also btw pilot helmets made it into the game still but as the heirloom legend skins, they all have pilot helmets
For the slamfire bolt hop-up, I don't think it would have gone on the P-2020 due to how it's worded. Slamfire is when you have a pump action gun and hold down the trigger, racking it over and over, and it fires a lot quicker. I think it would have gone on the Peacekeeper or Mastiff, but honestly either of those being fully auto, even with ridiculous recoil, is wayyy overpowered.
The biggest argument I have for explosive ammo would be the fact that there's many movement abilities in Apex and even a legend without any would still be fast enough to efficiently avoid rockets and grenades, the only worry would be how they work in-doors, but there's already legends who have tools to prevent base grenade spam, and I feel like explosive ammo would make those legends even more useful.
They could have placed the Goliath in a cave that can be opened with a grenade. But I feel like the cryo grenade will be another character's ability or just another grenade
Apex had mirage leaked to be Yoru from Valorant before he was thought about. It would have been cool to have a yoru flash if decoys are shot still a good buff idea IMO just needs to be balanced well Edit- mirage also has a leaked heirloom item similar to Wattson, it was a photo of his family If I remember right
@@theblueone_14 yoru didn’t come out upon release of Valorant he came at a later date and was leaked before yoru came out If I remember right. (Maybe Val took Inspiration from the mirage leak that didn’t come out) And I was referring to the picture in mirages heirloom as similar to the Wattson heirloom animation he showed in the video so you just proved my point…
Slam fire is a reference to ww2 shotgun use, where instead of pumping the shotgun and pulling the trigger you would hold the trigger down and pump it fast to fire quicker. I think it would have gone on the mastiff and the ok and made them full auto. Would love to see it!
i wouldn't give my hopes up on the Explosive Ammo part being fully scrapped. With the Charge Rifle being a Railgun now, i don't think the idea of adding explosive guns like Rocket/Grenade Launchers or Laser Cannons is out of the woods yet.
I mean, the reason why the flatline did not get the covid skin was probably because the devs noticed that giving it to a weapon called ''Flatline'' would not be the greatest idea
I’d assume slam fire would be PK or mastiff referencing the WW1 shotgun the Winchester 1897 which had a slam fire feature where if you held the trigger down and slammed the slide forward it would automatically fire the round and Germany tried to ban it for being “too cruel”
"Something that could blow up a door or where people could kill you without direct line of sight by shooting a wall around you, it's extremely dumb" My brother in Christ that's what grenades do
I had stopped playing apex sometime last year and when I came back this year arenas was gone to my dismay, I enjoyed it a lot more than actual apex due to everyone having the same gear available to them and no third party teams to ruin a good fight
I dunno why but I find Lifelines needle inject into the neck terrifying and the finisher I hate to see done on me more than any 😭 That gun finisher is sick though
The slamfire bolt was most likely a peacekeeper or mastiff abilty for two reasons 1: slam fire was a thing that old shotguns (ww1 -ww2 era) could do that shoots REAAAALY FAST 2 : slamfire BOLT shot gun BOLT
I think explosive ammo makes the most sense on the Bocek would make sense if it used more arrows per shot but also I would never wanna go up against it 😂
The slamfire hop up would have most likely been on a shotgun because slamfire shoguns are a real thing you basically hold down the trigger and work the pump to use the slamfire feature.
is that bone lab music in the baground?. I meant Bone works but i could be wrong, the motive sounds very similar though so let me know out of curiosity
Mirage's flash abilty would honestly be good instead of the scan thing we have now. It would've made shooting the decoys a risk. But i do get why flashes would be bad for the game
I mean the pilot designs are used on the legends, that's what the prestige skins are based on. They're supposed to replicate a pilot from Titanfall 1 and 2 but in their own design hence why they all have helmets and Titanfall like names.
It was originally a mobile perk for Octane if I remember, but different. Every finisher granted him 100 points to his next EVO. Plus finishers on console/PC already charge your shields.
Imagine if apex had an rpg mechanic , like many enemy types on the map and every kill makes your armour stronger and every player kill upgrades your health or damage , this would break the game and make it unpredictable but kind of a fun idea huh?
Explosive Ammo was datamined a while ago, along with RPGs like the EPG, the Softball TF2 gun and the Antitank RPG from TF2, those weapons probably would have used explosive ammo. I think there were ping lines for it too if I recall correctly
apex would work so well with a call of duty zombies type of game mode, where you have a mystery box, packa punch to get the gold version of the gun etc
That Gibraltar's pilot helmet reminds me that I want a beetle armor skin and a better looking insect themed skins. Something like Kamen Rider/Masked Rider skins. Antennae, Buggy eyes and Cool looking shells/armor. Denizen of the Deep/Crab skin for Ash is a good example.
I wish all the legends had Titanfall-style pilot outfits. The prestige skins fail at making them feel pilot-like. Bangalore is the closest but still lacks detail.
It seems like you were thinking explosive ammo was supposed to be a hopup or alternate ammo type or something. I'm confident that that was meant to go with explosive weapons like grenade launchers or rocket launchers and would be a new weapon type.
I’d enjoy a weapon that has a laser like vantage ult but doesn’t explode unless it hits a door or a player so it only explodes doors or players on direct contact and has a slow fire rate or make faster shooting weapons take more shots to break the door
From what I saw about the Apex skins that were originally supposed to have helmets, they would probably be seen in store events only, and they would be the kind of skins that have unique select animations. Wraith already has one, but a few already exists for Wraith. There needs to be some like that for Gibraltar, Lifeline, Wattson, Octane, Caustic, Mirage, etc.
bro some of this stuff would have been amazing to have like the brutal finishers would be amazing along with the custom skins for the guns or take some of the old concepts and put it in the game some how.
Explosive ammo? I wonder if they would have just put a bunch of the Grenadier weapons from Titanfall into Apex with splash damage but with a lot of self-inflicted damage as well 🤔 Like the Cold War, which is a weird gun because it does more area of effect damage than it does direct damage on targets
I will pay good money for a "Seer Reborn" were Pariah just kills seer and takes his place, I just hate seer's personality and design compared to what we could have had with Pariah.
Hey Grrt, i have a random theory about the pilot entry on this list, you were talking about how it would be cool to see the legends as pilots but wouldnt be worth trading away their unique personalities for it, and the reason i wanted to ask you something is, I consider prestige skins to be pilot uniforms, i mean theyre all fully armoured versions of the legends all with their unique finishing which see them utilising their abilities in some way, Wraith uses void powered whips, Caustic uses a venomous gas spray and valk throws projectiles from her wings, Im suprised not many people have made the connection since Respawn always puts Pilots at the top of their power scaling whenever they rate how powerful a solider is
I want that covid wattson fatline! Also I don't know why they took away arenas I feel like they could have added it to mixtape and it could have been a 6 v 6 instead
almost had a heart attack when the video didn't end after 2 minutes
😂😂
It's a new record for Garret, go him
Lucky. I did
Never again
Holy cow. A 12 minute Grrt video. He’s really treating us to this one
8:32 "and then a BURRD"
I know that pve probably would get boring, but i loved frontier defense from titanfall so I hope one day there's an ltm or something that is a more fleshed out experience than something like hunt.
I always thought with how the legends play on abandoned military bases cities and settlements, duardo would have the legends pay increased if they helped deal with pirate and raiders who raid certain poi’s and we have to defend them. Almost like a frontier defense/ horde mode. Would have been really cool. Especially since overwatch partially committed on a PVE mode.
I don't think the original devs who made frontier defense even work at respawn anymore
Maybe some people working there have worked on PVE type games but I really don't trust respawn to put their heads together to give us a proper PVE mode that works well
Especially when they're primary focus is spent pleasing EA with $20 skins and lackluster BP for us players
The reason 90% of their development effort in the game sucks ass is cause they spend all their time making new weapon skins, character skins, weapon charms, stickers, loading screens, music packs, dive trails, banner frames, banner poses, tackers, emblems, emotes, holo-sprays, quips, and heirlooms all while trying to come up with a new legend each season which makes them have to repeat the majority of the process again and again
The only time they take a minute off the "development process" is when theres a game breaking bug that's ruining the season and depending on how bad it is its either patched in a week or patched in the next season
So on the off time they are actually developing the game further they test new weapons and items to add to the loot pool that we don't see until 3 seasons later like the nemesis or the rampage if we even do see them at all
Bonelab ost 😂
Slamfire Bolt was probably a shotgun hop-up, given that slamfire is a thing you can do with some shotguns where you hold down the trigger and pump the gun to cycle new rounds.
Loving the longer videos, keep 'em coming!
Thanks! Will do!
4:35 honestly arenas was a vibe, I miss it 😢 helped me with warm ups
Fun fact: I was the one who started the forum post on the ea forums when the issue of losing twitch drops including mirages started happening en masse 2:02. its sad how it wasn't taken seriously and took an entire year to fully get fixed.
The name of the slamfire bolt says its most likely for the peacekeeper or the 30-30, seeing as slamfire is a term for holding down the trigger on a pump action/lever action gun that doesn't have a trigger disconnect and continuously racking the bolt to fire
TBH if there was PvE mode I would have like it to be more like frontier defense in TF2, not necessarily a defense, but with extra perks, upgrades, new enemies, co-op, and maybe mode exclusive guns
Respawn needs to experiment with some of their unused ideas, and make silly and wacky LTMS with them, they's be able to see if the community likes them, and keep the game fresh. Like maybe a gamemode for the explosive ammo, where every gun explodes or something
Have you heard of inferno plus and his mod for halo? Id check it out if were you, it has a lot of what you're describing there
"slamfire" is usually reserved for shotguns (pump action ones) so maybe it was for one of em? A full auto boomstick would've been fun imo
i played like 30 matches of arena a day i dont understand how people didnt like it
Same
A long form video??? What a blessing!!
I think the Deathbox insight could go to Skirmishers or Recon, meanwhile something like the Syphon on kill or the reduced ultimate cool-down on kill should definitely go to Control Legends as they definitely need a second passive the most. It’d make it fairer for said classes to compete against Assault and Supports who have 2 passives.
Siphon for Wattson sounds OP as heck
As a rampart main and fortnite player, I would love siphon on control legends.
@@thebunnygamer422 Nicee, I’m a Rampart main too, nearly got 7000 kills on her now. It’s why I even wrote this comment in the first place
The kill boost would make sense. But I'd make it a "wipe boost" like, if you wipe a squad after using your ult, you get a significant ult charge that could help with defending against 3rd parties.
I could listen to grrt talk for hours !
I love these types of videos so much! I love listening to people's opinions about things
I feel like they could have added the goleith if they made it like the trials on worlds edge. Put it on the edge of the make far away from any common end zones or popular poi's, make it so you have to summon it by choice and only then will it appear, and give good loot to whoever kills it. I don't see any problem with that tbh.
also btw pilot helmets made it into the game still but as the heirloom legend skins, they all have pilot helmets
Not the rust explo ammo 😭
Let’s hope they scrap the nemesis 🙏
Scrap the R301 first and put it only in orientation matches.
Yeah, take out that shitty gun from the game, it’s ridiculous strong and noob-friendly
Honestly think the buffed Hemlock is way better
@@jmorales6539I still bet you cant one clip lmao
@@whattagiordidon't blame you dying on the guns in the game just get better😂😂
hearing garrets voice for 12 minutes is such a new experience...
For the slamfire bolt hop-up, I don't think it would have gone on the P-2020 due to how it's worded. Slamfire is when you have a pump action gun and hold down the trigger, racking it over and over, and it fires a lot quicker. I think it would have gone on the Peacekeeper or Mastiff, but honestly either of those being fully auto, even with ridiculous recoil, is wayyy overpowered.
Im loving these long videos, well done
The Boneworks theme fits with your channel so well!
The biggest argument I have for explosive ammo would be the fact that there's many movement abilities in Apex and even a legend without any would still be fast enough to efficiently avoid rockets and grenades, the only worry would be how they work in-doors, but there's already legends who have tools to prevent base grenade spam, and I feel like explosive ammo would make those legends even more useful.
What p2020 skin was that in the slam fire hopup?
They could have placed the Goliath in a cave that can be opened with a grenade. But I feel like the cryo grenade will be another character's ability or just another grenade
The cryo- grenade was going to make an ice wall, which is basically what catalysts ultimate does so I believe it was an early version of catalyst alt
Loving this longer vid, we need more of these 🙏 🙏
Apex had mirage leaked to be Yoru from Valorant before he was thought about. It would have been cool to have a yoru flash if decoys are shot still a good buff idea IMO just needs to be balanced well
Edit- mirage also has a leaked heirloom item similar to Wattson, it was a photo
of his family If I remember right
had the same thought , although I didn't play valorant at all
Valorant came out two years after apex did so that’s not correct
The mirage picture thing wasn’t gonna be his heirloom, but just his animation
@@theblueone_14 yoru didn’t come out upon release of Valorant he came at a later date and was leaked before yoru came out If I remember right. (Maybe Val took Inspiration from the mirage leak that didn’t come out) And I was referring to the picture in mirages heirloom as similar to the Wattson heirloom animation he showed in the video so you just proved my point…
I’m that Nobody who played arenas
That crypto scope would make him a S tier legend
Slam fire is a reference to ww2 shotgun use, where instead of pumping the shotgun and pulling the trigger you would hold the trigger down and pump it fast to fire quicker. I think it would have gone on the mastiff and the ok and made them full auto. Would love to see it!
i wouldn't give my hopes up on the Explosive Ammo part being fully scrapped. With the Charge Rifle being a Railgun now, i don't think the idea of adding explosive guns like Rocket/Grenade Launchers or Laser Cannons is out of the woods yet.
4:05 bro is playing on an rgb toaster in the background. The frames 😂
I mean, the reason why the flatline did not get the covid skin was probably because the devs noticed that giving it to a weapon called ''Flatline'' would not be the greatest idea
The Boneworks soundtrack in the background caught me off guard dude 😅
Slam firing is a shotgun mechanism. In world War 1 or 2, they would shoot by pumping. Not pump THAN shoot. ( Faster firing) 😊
12 videos in 1
love the new longer type of video! (It seems to be inspired by Ottr but still love it)
inspired by TGMs video from the start of S18 tbh. but yea ottr is cool
@@Grrt ah ok, imo they have a very similar style of video so it was hard to tell haha
I’d assume slam fire would be PK or mastiff referencing the WW1 shotgun the Winchester 1897 which had a slam fire feature where if you held the trigger down and slammed the slide forward it would automatically fire the round and Germany tried to ban it for being “too cruel”
"Something that could blow up a door or where people could kill you without direct line of sight by shooting a wall around you, it's extremely dumb"
My brother in Christ that's what grenades do
longest shorts youtuber video:
I had stopped playing apex sometime last year and when I came back this year arenas was gone to my dismay, I enjoyed it a lot more than actual apex due to everyone having the same gear available to them and no third party teams to ruin a good fight
first video ive seen thats not 40 seconds keep going bro
My stupid ass: I’d love to see a valk sun with a pilot helmet.
Birthright and blue bomber: am I a goddamn joke to you?
I dunno why but I find Lifelines needle inject into the neck terrifying and the finisher I hate to see done on me more than any 😭
That gun finisher is sick though
The slamfire bolt was most likely a peacekeeper or mastiff abilty for two reasons
1: slam fire was a thing that old shotguns (ww1 -ww2 era) could do that shoots REAAAALY FAST
2 : slamfire BOLT shot gun BOLT
I think explosive ammo makes the most sense on the Bocek would make sense if it used more arrows per shot but also I would never wanna go up against it 😂
Love that we got the “class perks” in season 20
The slamfire hop up would have most likely been on a shotgun because slamfire shoguns are a real thing you basically hold down the trigger and work the pump to use the slamfire feature.
This is a random idea but what if Seer used to have that hood on because he didn't want anyone seeing him
is that bone lab music in the baground?. I meant Bone works but i could be wrong, the motive sounds very similar though so let me know out of curiosity
Mirage's flash abilty would honestly be good instead of the scan thing we have now.
It would've made shooting the decoys a risk. But i do get why flashes would be bad for the game
It also sounds a lot like yorus clones from Valorant
FR EXACTLY@@brittondavis7256
I still am pissed the trailer music from the Caustic mythic event didn't get a music pack. The Apex theme in violin is SOOOOO good
I mean the pilot designs are used on the legends, that's what the prestige skins are based on. They're supposed to replicate a pilot from Titanfall 1 and 2 but in their own design hence why they all have helmets and Titanfall like names.
As a titanfall player, I have no idea why they're didn't added a pve gamemode cuz they absolutely COOKED, when making frontier defence.
Honestly a great way to balance explosive weapons is to make sure they ONLY do shield damage.
the one that recharges the EVO after every kill... isn't that the rev ultimate? u get +75 and every knock recharges it so...
No because that recharges his Shadow Sheild, not his EVO Shield.
@@Nickjiko the concept is the same...
It was originally a mobile perk for Octane if I remember, but different. Every finisher granted him 100 points to his next EVO.
Plus finishers on console/PC already charge your shields.
@@DatboiDemonX Oooohh i see
@@DiaButInUA-cam well yeah it is the same concept but not the same thing at all
Imagine if apex had an rpg mechanic , like many enemy types on the map and every kill makes your armour stronger and every player kill upgrades your health or damage , this would break the game and make it unpredictable but kind of a fun idea huh?
Explosive Ammo was datamined a while ago, along with RPGs like the EPG, the Softball TF2 gun and the Antitank RPG from TF2, those weapons probably would have used explosive ammo. I think there were ping lines for it too if I recall correctly
Yep. Horizon was the last legend to get the quips if I remember correctly
apex would work so well with a call of duty zombies type of game mode, where you have a mystery box, packa punch to get the gold version of the gun etc
Just play Ballistic for gold guns. It’s tied to his 3rd gun only.
@@DatboiDemonX i like how you completely missed the point
They technically did release that flatline reactive but it was a recolor in the season 4 bp
Would’ve liked to have seen the Slamfire Bolt for the G7. As an ex PUBG player, that sounds like the Mk14, my favourite gun to use in that br
What is the big storm in storm point awoke the Goliath for when it comes back into rotation?😮😮
That Gibraltar's pilot helmet reminds me that I want a beetle armor skin and a better looking insect themed skins. Something like Kamen Rider/Masked Rider skins. Antennae, Buggy eyes and Cool looking shells/armor. Denizen of the Deep/Crab skin for Ash is a good example.
I wish all the legends had Titanfall-style pilot outfits. The prestige skins fail at making them feel pilot-like. Bangalore is the closest but still lacks detail.
It seems like you were thinking explosive ammo was supposed to be a hopup or alternate ammo type or something. I'm confident that that was meant to go with explosive weapons like grenade launchers or rocket launchers and would be a new weapon type.
I still want that flatline recolor 😢
I’d enjoy a weapon that has a laser like vantage ult but doesn’t explode unless it hits a door or a player so it only explodes doors or players on direct contact and has a slow fire rate or make faster shooting weapons take more shots to break the door
All of Apex legends’ lost upcoming media in a 12 minute video? Nice 👍🏾
Should put the Goliath in Bloodhounds Trials as part of the last round.
As a arena's lover when it got deleted i quit until season 17 played a bit then quit again and now im trying it again
From what I saw about the Apex skins that were originally supposed to have helmets, they would probably be seen in store events only, and they would be the kind of skins that have unique select animations. Wraith already has one, but a few already exists for Wraith. There needs to be some like that for Gibraltar, Lifeline, Wattson, Octane, Caustic, Mirage, etc.
Lifeline, Ash and Bang already have skins with unique animations.
@@DatboiDemonX Oh yeah, I did forget about those 3 characters that have those unique animations for character selection before matches.
Once in a life time Grrt video
6:08 just give it its own cave. Like the imc armories where it rewards you with smart loot.
"Covid Flatline" sounds pretty dark lol
bro some of this stuff would have been amazing to have like the brutal finishers would be amazing along with the custom skins for the guns or take some of the old concepts and put it in the game some how.
The only thing you can slamfire is a shotgun. So it’d probably be for either the PK or the Mastiff
I love how the explanations are short and sweet.
I try
the decoy flashbang is just yoru from valorant lol
bros got the boneworks music in the background
the goliath could come into the game in a lore feature for bloodhound (I'm thinking if he ever gets the rev reborn treatment)
What if seer got a rework where he succumbs to his curse and dies only to rise as the pariah design
Wraith actually *is* (was?) A pilot, but, obviously lost her memory and all
Slamfire is a real thing for a shotguns,so mostlikey for the PK,since its a cocking shotgun or the mastiff
I'm surprised the BP triple take reactive skins weren't in this video😂
Explosive ammo? I wonder if they would have just put a bunch of the Grenadier weapons from Titanfall into Apex with splash damage but with a lot of self-inflicted damage as well 🤔
Like the Cold War, which is a weird gun because it does more area of effect damage than it does direct damage on targets
Just realized they reused the Pariah design for the Ash Project 19 skin.
I will pay good money for a "Seer Reborn" were Pariah just kills seer and takes his place, I just hate seer's personality and design compared to what we could have had with Pariah.
the slamfire hop up would have gone on a shotgun its something you can do with certain irl shotguns
Take a shot every time he says “buut”
Hey Grrt, i have a random theory about the pilot entry on this list, you were talking about how it would be cool to see the legends as pilots but wouldnt be worth trading away their unique personalities for it, and the reason i wanted to ask you something is,
I consider prestige skins to be pilot uniforms, i mean theyre all fully armoured versions of the legends all with their unique finishing which see them utilising their abilities in some way,
Wraith uses void powered whips, Caustic uses a venomous gas spray and valk throws projectiles from her wings,
Im suprised not many people have made the connection since Respawn always puts Pilots at the top of their power scaling whenever they rate how powerful a solider is
Damn idk me personally? I loved arena's ! I used to play that game mode religiously
I want that covid wattson fatline!
Also I don't know why they took away arenas I feel like they could have added it to mixtape and it could have been a 6 v 6 instead
Crypto sight was the alpha version of seers passive
explosive ammo would work well if they added the MGL to Apex but other than that, i don't see it working
Gooooood if Apex had a PVE and PVP like titanfall I'd be thrilled. Even 'bad' teammates could do *something*
the heirloom optic was prolly scrapped into the vantage ability