Almost Everything Is Wrogn!
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Today's edition could be called The Zetamath Special! We attempt his devious The Usual Suspects sudoku and talk about its twin Two Truths And A Lie. Prepare to engage your lie detectors :) You can play the puzzle at the following link:
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Normal sudoku rules apply. In cages, digits must sum to the small clue in the top left corner of the cage. Clues outside the grid give the sum of the digits along the indicated diagonal. (Such digits may repeat if allowed by normal sudoku rules.) In this puzzle, for each total exactly one of the cages or little killers with that total is wrong.
Zetamath has also made a setting video explaining how he created this puzzle here:
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Excellent solve Simon, I really enjoyed watching that! I do think this puzzle and 2T1L are both difficult in different ways, but I was happy to see you nail all of the intended logic on both of them.
I wanted to call attention to anyone who reads UA-cam comments that I set this puzzle entirely live, and an edited version of my setting of the puzzle is available on my puzzle UA-cam channel. Simon has kindly provided a link in the description if you want to see it.
Have a great day everyone!
That 59 ending was fantastic! Thanks for the very fun puzzle
if i watched the sudoku setting live i would know how its solved
@@_-_-Sipita-_-_ I more meant for Live to be interpreted as you can see me start with a blank grid and make this puzzle, not watch it as I set it.
@@zetamath i watched the video where you created it just a day or two ago, and now I get to watch Simon attempt it!! 🤩🤩
(Sits gigling at how you are breaking Simon's mind)
I enjoyed the video! One question, what happened to the 3rd 30 little killer, it ended up at a different diagonal...?
As a little bit help for the new viewers, if you're looking for "Everything Is Wrogn" by Di Mono (mentioned in the video) the video title is "Pretty Little Liars: The Sudoku"
Here's the link to "Pretty Little Liars:The Sudoku" ua-cam.com/video/rZOU-0E5MDI/v-deo.html
Everything is Wrogn was really good puzzle by DiMono and a great solve by Simon. I really enjoyed it. Thanks!
@@pouletbelette Ditto!
@@longwaytotipperary thank you for linking to this!
@@widgetb 😉
Every time he says there is no such thing as a Schrödinger cell. I can just hear all the setters thinking how to make a rule that allows them.
This deadly pattern is "observed" by this killer cage and the superposition collapses…
They’ve done it on the Discord. I believe it’s something like at most one digit being able to repeat in each house
there was one with "hidden zeroes" where one of each digit was secretly a zero when it came to sums. those could be considereing schrödinger cells, since they were the regular number as seen by the puzzle, but 0 as seem by the killer clues
there was also one where the clues outside the grid were either x sums or sky scrapers or both
Normal sudoku but the numbers are 0 to 9. Every row, column and box has exactly 1 schrödinger cell that holds 2 values.
“Here’s a knowledge bomb, 6 is not the same number as 11” 20:18 thank you Simon
Having the negative 23 constraint resolve the deadly pattern was a very cute touch. I loved it
Was so glad the 59s formed a deadly pattern, was afraid Simon was going to resolve the 59 in row 4 by some outside digit and miss out on the neat negative constraint logic with the 23 cage...
Those 59s scared me. Got toward the end and it popped up and I didn't think there was a way to resolve it. Fortunately at the end, I was wrong about that.
@@dontmindme2844 So, as you will see if you watch the video of me setting the puzzle, I accidentally put a little killer through this deadly pattern allowing you to resolve it without noticing the 23 cage. So the change I made based on testing was to move one of the LK clues so you would have to notice it.
As soon as the 59 deadly pattern appeared, I immediately did the math and couldn't help laughing 😁
@@dontmindme2844 So you mean you were correct?
I never know how to start on puzzles like this. It always has me feeling like all the clues could be wrong so it becomes impossible to find a breakthrough because no matter what I look at I feel like the clues can't be used. You're much smarter than me at things like this. Congrats on another fantastic solve.
For this one I’m surprised Simon didn’t see the 11, 12 and 23 cages in row 1 take up the whole row plus 3 cells and sum to 46 that is impossible as the row is 45 so the 3 extra cells would have to add 1 combined. So obviously at least one of those is false.
@@jordanwilfong8904 I admit I did not see this!
@@jordanwilfong8904 when he found the 12-cage to be false, it was by related logic, just from a different perspective.
Rules: 03:42
Let's Get Cracking: 06:22
What about this video's Top Tier Simarkisms?!
Bobbins: 2x (33:08, 48:30)
Knowledge Bomb: 1x (20:17)
You Rotten Thing: 1x (28:58)
And how about this video's Simarkisms?!
Hang On: 10x (12:36, 12:40, 14:01, 25:41, 29:13, 34:56, 46:25, 47:28, 53:17, 55:49)
In fact: 10x (10:33, 18:59, 20:02, 20:05, 26:27, 29:39, 31:39, 49:42, 52:04, 53:32)
Beautiful: 7x (20:52, 30:55, 30:57, 34:58, 45:28, 54:43, 55:24)
Clever: 6x (02:18, 02:22, 02:22, 28:26, 44:12, 56:51)
Good Grief: 4x (12:18, 17:35, 39:06, 41:56)
Secret: 4x (09:59, 10:06, 15:54, 17:26)
Gorgeous: 4x (29:31, 31:44, 48:48, 52:23)
By sudoku: 4x (45:40, 45:56, 45:59, 50:35)
Ridiculous: 3x (55:26, 56:52, 56:52)
Schrödinger Cell: 3x (21:13, 21:27, 52:18)
Obviously: 3x (04:30, 08:57, 11:30)
Goodness: 2x (48:55, 56:15)
Bother: 2x (34:00, 54:31)
Apologies: 2x (33:13, 33:13)
Naked Single: 2x (51:03, 54:04)
The Answer is: 2x (08:09, 39:18)
Lovely: 2x (39:57, 39:58)
Incredible: 2x (03:18, 05:52)
Sorry: 1x (22:30)
Stuck: 1x (01:01)
Brilliant: 1x (02:55)
Fascinating: 1x (04:49)
Deadly Pattern: 1x (54:43)
Shouting: 1x (48:41)
Of All Things: 1x (42:43)
Facetious: 1x (07:59)
Surely: 1x (11:23)
Umpteen: 1x (04:56)
FAQ:
Q1: What is a Simarkism?
A1: A Simarkism is something that Simon and Mark typically or frequently say.
Q2: How do you do this so fast?
A2: I'm not made of flesh and blood, but of sand ...
Q3: Why don't you include 'XX' and 'YY'?
A3: Probably it's already on the list ('Scooby-Doo' for example), but not mentioned in this video. But if you think it's not, tell me what you'd like me to include and there's a good chance I'll add it!
Q4: You missed 'XX' at 'YY:ZZ'!
A4: That could very well be the case! Human speech is hard to understand for computers like me, especially British sometimes! Point out the ones that I missed and maybe I'll learn!
Q5: Could you turn these statistics into videos?
A5: I've been playing around with the idea and I'm open to input as to what people would like to see. Let me know if you are interested in this and/or have suggestions.
Given Simon's discussion of Alexa, and then the thought process later described as Pregnant Pause , its probably just as well not connected, otherwise ads for Nursing Cats would probably appear. (Sorry, after Botting you then have to listen in close to real time to find other fascinating phrases).
How about "which means what?" sometimes followed by "exactly"?
Also, any love for "Alexa"?
I wonder if "wrogn" counts as a simarkism yet
I'd definitely suggest wrogn and "nori nori" !
Loved watching this puzzle when it first came out. Just tonight discovered Zetamath posted a video of him making this puzzle on his own UA-cam channel, and had so much fun watching that that I decided to watch this one again. Just as much fun the second time, and it was delightful to see how much was exactly the intended solving path, down to Zetamath pointing out at exactly the same point in the puzzle that "you must avoid a Schrodinger cell". 10/10, will probably watch again.
Glad to see this one on the channel, this one along with the previous 2T1L are obviously my candidates for puzzles of the year (or even all times) :)
I really appreciate all of your positive feedback on this puzzle Playmaker!
Loved this puzzle. Then went back to the 5 minute mark and copied down the "prequel" version in pencil and paper. Spent 3 days trying to solve it, got the middle column and little else. Then CTC posted the solution video under the title "The Best Sudoku Puzzle Ever?"...and that's when I notice I had failed to copy down the sandwich clues outside the box. That put me back on track, and I managed to solve the puzzle with just a little guesswork. Quite possibly the best sudoku ever, but there have been SO many on this channel...
Would be great if a future software update allowed us to pencil mark the exterior clues.
I use an actual notepad for stuff like that; even a small text area in the software would help
I absolutely loved the wrogn puzzles and I'm so happy that this idea is being picked up
I usually only watch, but I did the other 2 truths and a lie and it was a great puzzle, feel fortunate to have been able to do it myself with all the knowledge I have gained from watching the channel
The prospect of entering a lottery to play Among Us with Simon & Mark is probably the thing that will finally make me sign up to the patreon.
One could almost say that Simon's initial deduction with the cages is an unorthodox "discontinuous nice loop"
That is one hell of a good puzzle, it truly felt like DiMono's Everything is Wrogn. My brain felt cooked throughout the entire puzzle, managed to finish it in 57:37 but it was jolly good fun.
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Magnificent as ever. My favourite style of puzzles.
This one was a little gentler than two truths and a lie, but still a healthy challenge and kept turning up new things right to the final digit.
"The usual suspects" Weird name for the puzzle, Mark doesn't appear in it once.
Great video, great solve, as always!
'You must have been shouting at me about this for ages' You are in fact correct. :p
This has given me the idea of one with killer cages with only 1 cell, but only one of each total is wrogn.
I tried to make this work. Effectively a classic with 27 given digits, 18 of which are correct, that must be deduced by the solver. I know it is technically possible, but I couldn't get anywhere near making a good puzzle out of it. I bet someone with more classic skills could though.
Great solving and setting once again from this duo!
Simon and Mark, Tallcat and I want to play Among Us with you :) For Among Us you need 8-10 players to play. It is very fun to play, but also to watch :D
This was such a satisfying puzzle to solve. It took me over 3 hours (with some breaks), but I did it, and I feel really happy with that.
It looks like it would be more convenient to notate the validity of the diagonal clues by making cells outside the sudoku be interactive. It looks like the diagonal clues have well behaved positioning in cells outside the grid. I image that using those extra cells could also be useful for other kinds of clues or notations for solving strategies.
It’s kind of funny when you can tell exactly which web search you’ve done triggered the adverts you’re seeing. I once tried searching for an obscure maths term but only got results for arts&crafts supplies, which in turn triggered adverts for said supplies.
Can't wait for a "Only Half Wrogn!" with an odd number of clues. Parity rules.
"Oddly Wrogn"
That was hilarious waiting 24 minutes to see you resolve the 45 pair in box 1! 🤣🤣🤣
This one was kinda tricky to deal with because the possibility of one to be lying brings the necessity to think 2 or 3 steps ahead which i miss most of the time
The given 5 should be colored 💚! Ahhh! Loved this puzzle.
Very Simon to find a 1236 quadruple and then take a looong walk to place the 1 that could have been placed by just removing the pencil marked 1s that quadruple points to...
Isn't remarkable how Simon Simon turns out to be? Every time? 😎
@@amoswittenbergsmusings Agreed. There's no Simonier Simon.
Also, how many times is he going to click the 15s penciled in box 6 without removing the 1s?
I'd like to see Mark and Simon play Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes.
I think this has the potential to be absolutely hilarious.
Cool puzzle! I enjoyed solving this, with a few hints from Simon. I found it easier to use different right/wrong colours for the cages (green/purple) and diagonals (blue/red).
I'd definitely play AmongUs with you guys.
Also Stadia has some interactive features for streamers in some games, like allowing viewers to vote on what happens or drop in to play with you.
I struggle enough with puzzles that are honest with me.
Very interesting, and superbly constructed puzzle, as are all of the liar types. You made heavy work of resolving the 8s. After pointing out that you had a 1236 quad in R6, you left the 1s pencil marked in box 6. Had you removed them, you'd have placed the 1 in the middle of the box, and the given 5 made it 143. You were also slow to use the 2s & 3s in boxes 4 & 5 to put 23 into the 18 cage in box 6, making it the liar.
The easy way to resolve the true 14 cage is to note that 14 needs at least two of the digits 123, and since 2 was pinned in R9 in the box, it could only be 1346 (and the 123 cell was 2). Once R9C6 was 2, this meant that the 2-cell 17 was the liar, because 789 would all need to go into the two cells R7C6 and R8C4.
As soon as you had a 46 pair, an 8 and a 59 in the liar 23 cage you could have eliminated the 5.
BLUE for TRUE. ORANGE for STRANGE. thx for coming to my TEDtalk.
"Let us consider" what sequence of phonemes will wake up Alexa.
Never has a puzzel been promoted so much as Two Truths And A Lie by zetamath. I found the constant promotion close to annoying since i rarely do the puzzels shown on the channel. I often find them too hard for my skill level. I gave in and tried it. It was a joy! It is not brutally hard and very fun. I think you absolutely should give it a go.
9:25 I was rather shocked when Simon answered his own question with “Clearly: no”. Isn’t the answer “Clearly, yes” ?
But then I realised that the corner clue might be lying...
So, as usual, Simon is right!
I'm here to suggest SpaceChem as a puzzle/logic game for Simon to stream or play. It's one of my all time favorites and it requires no 3D interaction.
I also would watch Simon play Starcraft, but I am hopeful for a return to Baba is You after Obra Dinn! I find Baba a bit more entertaining to watch, having never played either game, fwiw. Thanks for all you do!
Thank you, one again, Simon. And good night.
Would it be possible to make a puzzle like this one but with exactly three solutions based on which sets of hints are the lie?
I solved 2 truths and a lie without watching your solve and I couldn't solve this one. So, I'd agree with you.
Wonderful. Thanks.
Cooperative portal 2 maps might be a cool idea for a multiplayer stream game
Y'all should play Myst or its sequel Riven
53:58 for me!! What an incredible puzzle!! All the logic involved is awesome, I don’t understand how someone can get to set such a thing like this. I haven’t caught up with all the patreon’s content yet, as I was trying to go from oldest to newest, but I guess I’ll have to make an exception with that other puzzle from zetamath as it must be another incredible masterpiece.
If you want to know how I set this puzzle, you will be happy to know there is a video of me setting this puzzle from start to finish, and Simon has linked to it in the description!
@@zetamath I can’t believe I didn’t see it, thank you so much for pointing it out!
If you rewire the keys on a typewriter to different letters you get a typewronger
There’s an extra letter in wronger than writer…
got stuck on the 5/9 deadly pattern at the end of all things. Solving that was so obvious, but I just couldn't see it.
I knew from the very beginning that there would be some negative contraint trick at he end that would resolve a deadly pattern 😂
Part of the reason I made this puzzle was that a few people complained that the original 2T1L did not resolve that way.
great solve. i managed to get to about 20 minutes mark in my solve and than stopped dead.
watching from 24:36 onward for Simon to spot the 5 in the third box, to resolve the column one 45 pair. He often seems to miss this for a while, whilst going on a higher logical path, which of course ends up being right. But sometimes, Sudoku is the simplest!
The starting point is a lot easier to keep track of if you frame it as a proof by contradiction. I saw the bottom row, thought "Assume to reach a contradiction that this 11 is right", followed the logic, and got a contradiction. Thus I knew the 11 was lying.
Then I got stuck 10 minutes later, but I'm proud that I at least found the starting point.
Simons stubborn refusal to do anything sudoku tortures me sometimes on these puzzles
A"And here's a knowledge bomb ..."
Me: waiting to be mind blown
"6 is not the same number as 11"
Me: 🤯
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I'd love to see you and Mark play chess against each other.
Don't know why people want to see that, the fun in their videos is vocally demonstrating why something makes sense, it would signal to the other person what their strategy is
Jackbox is a great game to play with viewers, though it can be crude depending on who you're playing with.
Not all viewers would contribute to the game itself, most tend to have to vote for certain players and for certain things depending on which jackbox game is being played.
The cap tends to be 6-10 players on a jackbox game, but audience members can join in and play exactly how I mentioned above (voting).
Not entirely puzzle related, however there are a lot of puzzle related games in the jackbox party packs
I’d love to see Simon getting proxy rax’d on ladder and going “Oh you rotten thing!”
45:23 I would go about as:
Either r8c7 is a 1, which make r6c8 am 8, or r68 is a 5 making r8c7 a 4, which it can't be. Watchin Simon solving a puzzle like this is a treat. I did see those three 45 sums at the beginning but made the wrong conclusions, you need to look at all three to work it out.
56:43 YES
The biggest achievement here was solving it with this confusing coloring.
Amazing puzzle. Took me 121 minutes.
I recommend cube escape, although there are many short games rather than a good long game so it may not be suitable
Was anyone else confused by the overlapping killer/little killer colouring? I would have found it easier to follow if Simon gave the little killer diagonals a separate set of colours, for instance blue/orange (so, if a true killer and a false little killer overlapped it would be, say green/orange)
any of the jackbox party pack games are great viewer interaction-type games.
6:53
*that's sus - suspicious*
oh no no no
Long ago I made a joke to a logician friend of mine by referencing something imaginary called "paraconsistent sudoku". These "liar puzzles" suggest that idea again. I'm trying to think how it would work. A cell or rule that is right *and* wrong... and yet has "isolated" effects. Hmmmm.
If this one is indeed more difficult, I should give the other one another go. Cause I almost straight up gave up on it LOL
With regards to the Facebook Dickens story, the likely explanation for that is that you're friends with a lot of people who do crosswords, and other people who did the same crossword that you did ended up posting about or searching for that exact novel online. Facebook then sees loads of people they know you share interests with looking up this novel out of nowhere, and then goes "oh, this must be relevant to this demographic, let's start recommending it".
These stories all usually follow the same pattern - they knew to recommend it for the exact same reason you decided to look it up. There are some genuine cases of keylogging or spyware out there, but it's very rare compared to the number of times that humans just behave extremely predictably.
Ok but we DO need to see you playing Starcraft2 sometime Simon. It needs to happen at some point.
what a beautiful sudoku! i’ve seen some videos of ‘mini motorways’, a puzzle game, which also seems like a nice option to play. have a nice evening😁
Nooooo you forgot to color the given 5 green in the correct 10 clue in box 3.
If you want a fun party style game to play with us, the Jackbox party packs are all lovely, and most even include family friendly filters so that even the younger viewers can participate :)
16:08: "So now either this clue or this clue is wrong."
And we know which one, too. Since the bottom row contains an incorrect 17 clue, the 11 clue, too, has to be incorrect (since if it and one 17 clue were correct, that would sum to 28. And if the remaining digits do *not* sum to 17, that would mean the bottom row doesn't sum to 45, breaking the puzzle). But if the bottom-most 11 clue is wrong, then both 11 clues in box 1 must be correct. Which means that the 23 clue next to box one is *also* correct because, again, if it weren't, the box couldn't sum to 45. It follows that the incorrect 23 clue is the one in boxes four and five
oh u missed that 5 in top right box should be grrreeen!
I would play a group game on table top time or board game arena. You could play sabotage for example or coloretto.
Should play Myst and Riven
I would love to see this, I think this has a lot of potential.
About Alexa and the obscure work by Dickens around 23:00 ... Why don't we try to bring the same level of logic to this puzzle as we do to the Sudoku? First the Rules for me please, I missed any previous reference to this Alexa issue in other videos. The way it is explained in this video, it's not clear to me why Alexa is even a suspect. Simon typed something into his computer (PC? Mac? what application exactly?) and later the book was recommended on his iPad (in what application?).
Seems to me, if Simon typed it, rather than asking, then Alexa has a cast-iron alibi. There must be something else, something Simon spelt out in another video but didn't mention in this one.
Favorite moment: 48:21
Why do you have an Alexa if you don't trust them? 😂
They definitely listen to you still
There's simpler logic around 42:00. Once you know there isn't a 2 in the tetromino, 1346 is the only combination that adds to 14.
Been a run recently of these 'lying' puzzles and have to say they are my least favourite format. I know some people love them, but not me.
i quite like them! though they can be rather difficult
@@laraf-b I couldn't tell you why the logic feels different to me but it does for some reason. It probably shouldn't!
I like them a lot but if you have too many different rules on the same puzzle it gets super confusing. For me "Liars" sudoku are better with a small amount of rules (just like this one in the video, only killer + diagonals).
That statement could be a truth, or a lie
If it makes you feel better, I don't intend to make a habit out of it (-:
What about playing Portal or coop mode in Portal 2?
Pls link the vid for 2 wrongs 1 lie
Great as always, however either Simon made a mistake or I cannot follow him. At 38:00 he assumes r6c9 cannot be 6, however the 6 in the 14 cage in box5 can also be in row 5 not just row6. Do I miss something? Probably :)
There's already a 1236 quad in row 6 at that point, in other words all the potential cells for number 6 in row 6 have already been identified and r6c9 is not among them.
He missed removing the 6 pencilmark from r5c5 in the 12 cage. This couldn't be 6 because it would leave four cells in row 6 needing to be from the three digits {123}.
This row is just a disgrace, isn't it? It's the Kayser Sose of the whole puzzle.
lulz😂
I imagine Simon has always did his puzzle logic out loud. You talking to yourself again? AH, no AH recording a video.Yeah, that's the ticket. lol
3:07 amogus
R2C8 not shaded 5… 😭
Simon, you play overwatch? How do you not get motion sick from that but do from the witness/obra dinn? Lol
Yes, Alexis does know to much! (Smirk) Maybe 'she' could solve the Obra Dinn ...
The coloring for this puzzle wasn't great. Not only was it not colorblind friendly, but you should have at least used 4 colors to denote true/false cages and true/false diagonals.
Also, not coloring the 5 in box 3 after finding the nature of the 10 diagonal upset me
Checks video length... whelp, guess we won't be solving this one.
My vote for game would be Inscryption
man this is so confusing. take a shot every time simon says wrogn or correct............
I'd rather not... :O I mean, fun games are fun, but my liver would HATE me for it ;)
Game recommendation: one of the Dark Souls games
56:03 for me. a little slower than simon, but still satisfied
It took me 14 months, 2 weeks, 1 day and 17 hours to establish what you did in the first 15 minutes..... Can I have your brain please..
26:46 he still doesn't use sudoku to put 4 and 5 to column 1.. Oh
48:42 He finally saw!