In the case of F91, what I heard is that Tomino really wanted to keep working on it, but Sunrise/Bandai wanted him to work on Victory Gundam, and because they owned Gundam, not him, he didn't really have a choice. So he tried to make Victory Gundam as dark and depressing as possible in the hopes that it would get canceled, but the fans ended up enjoying it too much.
Do you think that a lot of parts of Victory Gundam were scrapped ideas from F91? Just wondering, because people want the full story, but it seems to me that it would end up retreading stuff from victory.
@alfianfahmi5430 nah. The song that Shakti sings is so good because it feels so sad and emotional. It plays perfectly in the series when the Zanscare pilot that has a wife and two daughters died and Uso buries him with all his friends.
Gundam F91 needed to be a trilogy or at least 2 movies so the story doesnt feel rushed and the character development rushed and underdeveloped. The animation in F91 is freaking amazing.
Hey cheems! Found you from your video on A New Translation, amazing stuff! Also the WFM has been such a refreshing feel as someone who's been quite used to the franchise, and the Aerial is also one of the most interesting main mobile suit from all that we've seen of it, as well as the very charming Suletta, I think many new fans are exploring the series now from the rise of WFM's popularity worldwide, here's hoping for more gundam content! Cheers cheem!
I get the feeling they don't want to adapt Crossbone into an anime/OVA because they know they have to remake this lol. I think the animation is phenomenal but I never had a Gundam show consistently have me going "WHAT IS GOING ON!?"
I find them remaking this very unlikely. They aren’t really making UC full series anymore. An OVA seems possible, but I think they would just end up doing Crossbone if they do OVAs. They probably don’t have plans for Crossbone at the moment with Hathaway being the primary focus, but once Hathaway and Witch from Mercury, they will probably start to plan that and Thunderbolt.
Why would they have the obligation of remaking it? They never did this before and a new series is not the strongest of reasons for remake, the movie is still there and most of the important plots to Crossbone are at least understandable. They probably don't want to make Crossbone just because they don't see good reasons to make full series in the UC anymore, the original saga ended and F91 and Victory failed to create a new one, so when G Gundam and Wing succeded they thought that is just better to go with this format since it doesn't scare new people away because of continuity and for the people who like the UC they have a more special treatment like OVAs and movies.
im going through the lore of all the f91 spinoffs and its baffling to me how literally all of them take place either before or after the movie. You would think that a movie that really felt like episodes smashed together would deserve a remake in any form, anime manga or otherwise, but they refuse to do it. Like, did the guy from the f91 game really need his own prequel manga
Honestly instead of a movie they should have paired down the series as a limited 6 episode OVA. It would of had more time to flesh things out and make an actual ending. F91 and 0083 have the same issues to me, GREAT start that just faded to tedium at the end
I think that for Hathaway the reason he called it unadaptable was that he expected it to be faithful, but adaptation means changing things to make it fit better with a different medium. Like I heard rumors that the second movie will change quite a bit from the books to fit better in the UC canon. It’s just pretty funny that I thought that he considered it unadaptable for medium reasons, but it’s just because of canon, which is just a weird reason to consider it unadaptable.
I honestly think it's a good idea to include the events from "UC" into the canon timeline coming into the film adaptation. Considering the ending of the novel, how corrupt and broken the Federation has become, they would use this moment to get their revenge for the "Laplace Incident" against Captain Noa.
That's what I heard and read about back in the day that Gundam F91 was supposed to be a tv show. The Crossbone Gundam Manga is awesome !!! I hope they eventually make it a show or OVA series. Its really Awesome to see Hathaway's Flash finally become a movie !!!
I'm watching Gundam for the first time, in order, and it took awhile for me to like Zeta, but F91 was instant then it hit the 54 minute mark and what the fuck is happening? Blue hair is in a Gundam, then at the bakery, then breaks into the estate, then in a crowd, something happens and his dad gets hurt. Then they're in a gundam in space and his dad dies, then in a sunny field. Im only half way into my egg nog I'm definitely not drunk or barely buzzed, yet watching F91 feels like I'm either wasted or having a fucking stroke with all the jump cuts. It sucks because up until the 54 minute mark I was loving it. They need to give it a proper OVA re-release because they were onto something good. Just the fact that its always Fed VS Zeon and the good VS bad sterotype we get what was going to be a series where even though the Crossbones are the bad guys, they care more about human life than the good guys. It was such a great dark twist.
I really don't like the F91 movie. The first time I saw this, I thought it was a condensed fan made series to movie. So much so, that I remember searching online for the full series. Either way, I don't like the Vanguard suit designs nor do I like the F91 design. However, it the series had lots of potential. I just wish he decided to hold off on it or make it an OVA. Hoping he doesn't get screwed again with the Crossbone OVA.
Yeah I'm half way through the movie and feeling no attachment to any of the characters, the chaos at the beginning was cool, but honestly very confusing, I was expecting some kind of explanationist diologe... An there isn't, it's definitely something I'm going to have to watch twice to understand, as I watched it, I assumed there was an anime before this an as I am dipping my toes into the gandam fiction with this film, I thought it was just one of those movies that you have to watch the anime first to know what's going on. But that's not the case unfortunately. I'm interested in reading the cross bow manga through. I can see the creators passion in the designs an animation. So I feel the manga will do it justice. Cool video I'll check out the other series an films you mentioned I watched on on Netflix a few months ago.
Yup. In fact it introduces the idea of Jupiter being an antagonistic shadow player against the Earth Federation. You later find out they’re behind Zanscare in Victory.
@@lelouche25 it’s like gundam age. Only in universal century. Stupid super robot mecha design, ugly character design. Antagonist evil, because he’s evil. Steel seven is actually pretty good. But to understand what happened there you need to read crossbone and skull heart.
@@maramba32 You know whats funny? I've actually seen this take from pretty much anyone who defends this movie. really weird hard to take them seriously
In the case of F91, what I heard is that Tomino really wanted to keep working on it, but Sunrise/Bandai wanted him to work on Victory Gundam, and because they owned Gundam, not him, he didn't really have a choice. So he tried to make Victory Gundam as dark and depressing as possible in the hopes that it would get canceled, but the fans ended up enjoying it too much.
Do you think that a lot of parts of Victory Gundam were scrapped ideas from F91? Just wondering, because people want the full story, but it seems to me that it would end up retreading stuff from victory.
Imagine how Polka Gundam would have been like if it went through...
@@thomasffrench36 I heard that's true.
@@austinreed7343 Would've been interesting.
At least we have Eternal Wind
BANGER THEME
Man, Eternal Wind could've been brought into Victory Gundam and everyone would be crying 24/7 🗿
@alfianfahmi5430 nah. The song that Shakti sings is so good because it feels so sad and emotional. It plays perfectly in the series when the Zanscare pilot that has a wife and two daughters died and Uso buries him with all his friends.
Gundam F91 needed to be a trilogy or at least 2 movies so the story doesnt feel rushed and the character development rushed and underdeveloped. The animation in F91 is freaking amazing.
F91 had so much promise, it’s just such a confusing mess.
Hey cheems! Found you from your video on A New Translation, amazing stuff! Also the WFM has been such a refreshing feel as someone who's been quite used to the franchise, and the Aerial is also one of the most interesting main mobile suit from all that we've seen of it, as well as the very charming Suletta, I think many new fans are exploring the series now from the rise of WFM's popularity worldwide, here's hoping for more gundam content! Cheers cheem!
The moment you said Hathaway I had to click pause :( See you once I watch the rest of UC ;-;
I get the feeling they don't want to adapt Crossbone into an anime/OVA because they know they have to remake this lol.
I think the animation is phenomenal but I never had a Gundam show consistently have me going "WHAT IS GOING ON!?"
I find them remaking this very unlikely. They aren’t really making UC full series anymore. An OVA seems possible, but I think they would just end up doing Crossbone if they do OVAs. They probably don’t have plans for Crossbone at the moment with Hathaway being the primary focus, but once Hathaway and Witch from Mercury, they will probably start to plan that and Thunderbolt.
Why would they have the obligation of remaking it? They never did this before and a new series is not the strongest of reasons for remake, the movie is still there and most of the important plots to Crossbone are at least understandable.
They probably don't want to make Crossbone just because they don't see good reasons to make full series in the UC anymore, the original saga ended and F91 and Victory failed to create a new one, so when G Gundam and Wing succeded they thought that is just better to go with this format since it doesn't scare new people away because of continuity and for the people who like the UC they have a more special treatment like OVAs and movies.
I probably die by the time Crossbone Gundam got it's animation adaptation but at least my grandkids could enjoy that masterpiece.
im going through the lore of all the f91 spinoffs and its baffling to me how literally all of them take place either before or after the movie. You would think that a movie that really felt like episodes smashed together would deserve a remake in any form, anime manga or otherwise, but they refuse to do it. Like, did the guy from the f91 game really need his own prequel manga
I’d love to see Crossbone get animated, but what I’d love to see even more is Gaia Gear animated.
CCA, Narrative, F91 and 00 AwoT all suffering from the same problem. The runtime is to short to telling everything they want us to tell.
Sad with the company and money issues 😢.
@@solastro5595 F91 was planned as a 50 Episode Anime.
But the company said nope, make a movie. It is cheaper.
@@BansheeNT-D 😢 😭 😿
All those movies needed to be trilogies or at least two movies to flesh them out more.
Honestly instead of a movie they should have paired down the series as a limited 6 episode OVA. It would of had more time to flesh things out and make an actual ending. F91 and 0083 have the same issues to me, GREAT start that just faded to tedium at the end
Well, f91 might come back in the long future since bandai is doing the UC Next 0100 project. But it'll probably take decades.
I think that for Hathaway the reason he called it unadaptable was that he expected it to be faithful, but adaptation means changing things to make it fit better with a different medium. Like I heard rumors that the second movie will change quite a bit from the books to fit better in the UC canon. It’s just pretty funny that I thought that he considered it unadaptable for medium reasons, but it’s just because of canon, which is just a weird reason to consider it unadaptable.
I honestly think it's a good idea to include the events from "UC" into the canon timeline coming into the film adaptation. Considering the ending of the novel, how corrupt and broken the Federation has become, they would use this moment to get their revenge for the "Laplace Incident" against Captain Noa.
That's what I heard and read about back in the day that Gundam F91 was supposed to be a tv show. The Crossbone Gundam Manga is awesome !!! I hope they eventually make it a show or OVA series. Its really Awesome to see Hathaway's Flash finally become a movie !!!
>2 years later and still waiting for Hathaway 2
Hathaway movie 2 will come out in 2025. ANN announced it. Lot of gundam stuff is coming out in 2025
Its unfortunate as it was supposed to be a TV show :/
I'm watching Gundam for the first time, in order, and it took awhile for me to like Zeta, but F91 was instant then it hit the 54 minute mark and what the fuck is happening? Blue hair is in a Gundam, then at the bakery, then breaks into the estate, then in a crowd, something happens and his dad gets hurt. Then they're in a gundam in space and his dad dies, then in a sunny field. Im only half way into my egg nog I'm definitely not drunk or barely buzzed, yet watching F91 feels like I'm either wasted or having a fucking stroke with all the jump cuts.
It sucks because up until the 54 minute mark I was loving it. They need to give it a proper OVA re-release because they were onto something good. Just the fact that its always Fed VS Zeon and the good VS bad sterotype we get what was going to be a series where even though the Crossbones are the bad guys, they care more about human life than the good guys. It was such a great dark twist.
the biggest mistake the movie made was not having 'The time I'm seeing you' in the theatrical version
I want a "SENTINEL" film series.
Sadly that is a problem because of rights issue with another company.
Wait, Tomino wrote crossbones? I thought it had another author.
It had an artist, but Tomino was the one who wrote it
I think that steel 7 and ghost weren’t written by Tomino
What went wrong is that it was a movie instead of a series
Yeah pretty much
Rip because of money.
Only movie that was able to cram a series successfully into a single movie is Macross DYRL.
Def would love more Gundam contentb
Shame would've been more awesome if it did well and have the sick ass pirate gundam sequel be animated instead of a manga
Another track is Snowspeeder Rescue from Hoth too.
F91 could have been a better tv series than Victory
Anything would’ve been a better tv series than Victory
@@elijahhaynes216 I explain victory to my gf as "he was forced to write a series so he made it as depressing and nonsensicle as possible"
Super robot wars is the only place crossbone lives on
Solid video
Hathaway vid would be interesting
I wonder if there's a alternative to the movie, a manga or maybe a novel.
I agree with you, the opening of this movie was very good
Gundam is like gundam + Star Wars trilogy elements
a lot of the cut plot points got recycled into Victory
I really don't like the F91 movie. The first time I saw this, I thought it was a condensed fan made series to movie. So much so, that I remember searching online for the full series. Either way, I don't like the Vanguard suit designs nor do I like the F91 design. However, it the series had lots of potential. I just wish he decided to hold off on it or make it an OVA. Hoping he doesn't get screwed again with the Crossbone OVA.
funny how history repeats. now disney is in this boat with moana 2.
Yeah I'm half way through the movie and feeling no attachment to any of the characters, the chaos at the beginning was cool, but honestly very confusing, I was expecting some kind of explanationist diologe... An there isn't, it's definitely something I'm going to have to watch twice to understand, as I watched it, I assumed there was an anime before this an as I am dipping my toes into the gandam fiction with this film, I thought it was just one of those movies that you have to watch the anime first to know what's going on. But that's not the case unfortunately. I'm interested in reading the cross bow manga through. I can see the creators passion in the designs an animation. So I feel the manga will do it justice. Cool video I'll check out the other series an films you mentioned I watched on on Netflix a few months ago.
Is gundam F91 cannon ?
They haven't really done anything set in it's time period sans Crossbone, so I don't really see a reason why it wouldn't be cannon.
Yes, F91 is canon. Victory Gundam comes after it and it is set 30 years later in UC 153
Yup. In fact it introduces the idea of Jupiter being an antagonistic shadow player against the Earth Federation. You later find out they’re behind Zanscare in Victory.
Sucks to be civilian in gundam universe
I wonder who would copyclaim you if you included the music.
Lmao, I don't wanna know, didn't wanna risk anything
Nothing, it's perfect
Pretty good take.
The one who told you that Crossbone is amazing is amazing troll😂😂😂
Never even read crossbones, so does it actually suck lol?
@@lelouche25 it’s like gundam age. Only in universal century. Stupid super robot mecha design, ugly character design. Antagonist evil, because he’s evil. Steel seven is actually pretty good. But to understand what happened there you need to read crossbone and skull heart.
@@lelouche25 I'm reading it now. It's pretty decent.
@@ltb1345 idk what it is but people nowadays when they start talking about the f91 timeline they get really dumb
God this movie sucked. Especially if you watched the series in timeline order, following Unicorn and Narrative x.x
It didn't suck as bad as Narrative, that movie was dog shit.
@@tedhodge4830 I liked Narrative a lot better than F91.
@@tedhodge4830 nah i prefer narrative than F91. F91 needed 2 more movies or a series.
@@ltb1345 What part of it? At least F91 has the colony infiltration scene.
"nah its better than chars counterattack"
Witch from Mercury blows👎
GWitch is insane....And I love it for that.
No, your taste blows.
@@JohnnyBurnes I love that for you, I just found it boring
it is boring lol
Gundam school life.
Better than Chars Character assassination in counterattack.
Bruh ..
character assassination? lol good one
@@maramba32 You know whats funny? I've actually seen this take from pretty much anyone who defends this movie. really weird hard to take them seriously