I love the fact that the ref hadn't necessarily sent them off after punches were thrown the first time (although there were no red/yellow cards in those days, it speaks volumes that Motson wasn't sure himself), nowadays you get sent off for brushing the hair of an opposing player, who always goes down as if they've been shot by a sniper.
Today's game, although entertaining isn't a patch on the games I remember from the 1970s. Men were men, they kicked lumps out of each other but we're still highly skilled on the ball. For a player to roll around on the floor back then they'd literally have to have broken a leg. Nowadays they're too soft, the games been spoiled with players playing for free kicks.
..I revisited this tonight,as my dad, at the age of 76, recently bought a computer. I've introduced him through the 'Tube to many nostalgic classics (Morecambe & Wise, OF&H et al),and he's finding his own way as well. But I couldn't let this one go by, and having watched 'Match Of The Day'(hosted by the "chin", Jimmy Hill), with him for many years as a kid I know he'll love this.. "Lee Won Pen...!". vntr2006, what a classic.. Cheers again for making my dad smile...
No problem mate. I remember watching this clip as a kid! For the record, Lee got suspended and missed the 2nd leg v Real Madrid in the European Cup...which we lost!
Hunter must have thought 'job done' after the first spat, didn't bet on Franny comming at him bigtime and Hunter going down like a sack of shit. Ha ha great stuff.
Job was done, bust his lip. If you've ever watched a boxing match the object of it is to connect, something which fanny didn't do once! Norm just dodged & side stepped them. Only reason Norm went down was he stumbled...look again numbnut
Ahh, those were the days. Not that I remember them in any way, I'm only 20 but still... those were the days. Some modern fooballers wouldn't have lasted 2 minutes back then.
Its nice looking back to a time when football players could throw a decent punch. In the past couple of decades we've had to make do with Lee Bowyer throwing handbags at thin air type punches.
All of the comments miss the real treat...that was one of the best dives ever to secure a penalty...that would have won a gold at any Olympic Games...LOL, many thanks for this.
Lol got to admit that. At Man City Lee used to be known as "Lee One Pen" as he scored so many (he was the one "fouled" on more than one occasion!) Later the press dubbed him "Lee Won Pen" for obvious reasons.
This was a boxing match in the middle of a football game!! So, you get to see two sports with the price of one ticket!! It would be nice if they could add weight lifting as well next time!!
I have it....its on one of Danny Bakers footie vids...will try and sort it out. Danny even translates what Keegan mouths to the ref when he gets sent off although you can probably work it out!
Francis Lee didnt win that fight. Hunter did. Hunter landed a solid right hook on him. Then in the second round which you claim Lee wins, he actually doesnt land a single punch on Hunter, he misses every single one, and Hunter only went down because his legs got tangled up with Lee's.
What actually happened was (a) they had been nibbling at each other throughout the game, (b) in this incident as Lee shot Hunter hit him with his elbow/shoulder (can't remember now), and (c) Lee ignored the ball coming off the keeper, turned and punched Hunter. That punch connected. (d) The rest is shown in the above clip.
Referees cost Leeds many trophies. European Cup final, Cup Winners Cup final, West Brom debacle; the later cost Leeds at least 2 league championships. Fixture congestion due to team being full of internationals and constantly reaching later stages of all competitions paid heavily.
What are you talking about - that silly short arsed git Franny didn't land a single punch. Norman was backing off because he knew if he threw another one he'd get a lengthy ban. The FA for once saw that diving Franny was the villain here and he was rightly punished more severely than Norman.
@panchopuskas1 Yeah every decision against them is followed by the ref being surrounded and why don't they just give Ferguson the whistle near the end of the game so he can blow for full time when he thinks it's ok. If they're behind he'll add 10 mins, but not if they're 1-0 up for some strange reason. Apart from a few times like this in '75 (I was in the pop side at this game) they never did it. I remember Bruce Rioch getting told about calling the linesman a wanker though lol.
I was there in the Pop Side and I remember it so well. They were real men then, not like the overpaid girls who go down crying when they get little more than a tap on the shin.
For all his arm flails Lee doesn't land one single punch. But In the first spat Hunter does get a good punch to land. So on points Hunter does actually win!
It would improve the game hugely if more players did a Hunter-i,e gave a good smack in the mouth to players who dived for a penalty (which is why he slapped Lee). There'd be great fights every match. Real entertainment !!
His book sheds more light on this. He heard from a journalist that the board were trying to get clough and taylor back (Derby had a poor start to the season). Confronted the board and resigned in anger.
My nana loved Francis lee detested Leeds until European cup final where she disliked Munich a lot more than Leeds she was a footballers wife meanwhile I moved to wilsden west York's as a 3 year old so cheered for Leeds lol my grandad twice size of Bremner I lived 70 but know how tame it was to the 30s at 3 00 pm sat 14 th Jan 1933 his squad of 19 at Walsall was valued at £69 up against triple league champs elect £40000 of Herbert Chapman's arsenal for George Leslie instageted the potentially most violent match seen in England how could walsall beat arsenal in 32 33 Chapman was rude said his side's boots Cost £87 their squad £69 by 5 Walsall s centre half was valued at £3000 he personally did what no one in England could do he knocked ten bags of crap out of the Wembley wizzard Alex James Walsall 2 arsenal 0 is the biggest f a cup upset England ever had . So we see Franny the red head on bite your legs he did ok bless , but I'm sure if triple league champs arsenal could not take walsalls out right physicality it would be a bloody good watch Walsall s 33 side lead by 6ft 2 Leslie then against the Leeds side of 70s it would AVE been a bloodbath lol England played Italy in Rome weeks later had to do facist salute and Italy had no element of surprise liem Walsall , walsalls physicality saw england cope with Italy how many arsenal in side the arsenal players in rome must have felt like world cup holders were Walsall reserves Lol
@cantor0305 Not at all stunned. Players of his physique can still make it "today". Look at Brazilian forward "Ailton", he looks like wearing a ton of weight, but scored many many goals in top flight football the last decade.
I love the fact that the ref hadn't necessarily sent them off after punches were thrown the first time (although there were no red/yellow cards in those days, it speaks volumes that Motson wasn't sure himself), nowadays you get sent off for brushing the hair of an opposing player, who always goes down as if they've been shot by a sniper.
Today's game, although entertaining isn't a patch on the games I remember from the 1970s. Men were men, they kicked lumps out of each other but we're still highly skilled on the ball. For a player to roll around on the floor back then they'd literally have to have broken a leg.
Nowadays they're too soft, the games been spoiled with players playing for free kicks.
1975 was the end of the fabulous Leeds sides after 10 terrific years.
What great entertainment they gave me at Elland Road, thanks lads.
Are you still alive?
They could've gone on to even better things but player power put paid to that.
Quality! Lee threw about nine punches but didn't land one and Hunter still ended up on the turf. Final word is "3-2 Rams".
Briliant, football at its best and what a player Roger Davies was six foot three and such a delicate touch with the ball.
Respect to Lee. He got booked and looked beat but waited his chance and flew in there with a vengeance.
2 clubs with all sorts of history, especially the 70s, struggling to make it in the modern world. They were massive then
yeah if only the managers had remained a while longer..it all went downhill soon after
..I revisited this tonight,as my dad, at the age of 76, recently bought a computer.
I've introduced him through the 'Tube to many nostalgic classics (Morecambe & Wise, OF&H et al),and he's finding his own way as well. But I couldn't let this one go by, and having watched 'Match Of The Day'(hosted by the "chin", Jimmy Hill), with him for many years as a kid I know he'll love this..
"Lee Won Pen...!". vntr2006, what a classic..
Cheers again for making my dad smile...
John Motson commentated brilliantly on this match :)
Magic game / great English players on both teams, when football meant something to me
No problem mate. I remember watching this clip as a kid! For the record, Lee got suspended and missed the 2nd leg v Real Madrid in the European Cup...which we lost!
I was there , I saw the brawl . Probably the only time I ever saw Billy B act as a peacemaker !!
RIP Franny - fantastic memory of that day.
Pure, raw passion.
Hunter must have thought 'job done' after the first spat, didn't bet on Franny comming at him bigtime and Hunter going down like a sack of shit. Ha ha great stuff.
Job was done, bust his lip. If you've ever watched a boxing match the object of it is to connect, something which fanny didn't do once! Norm just dodged & side stepped them. Only reason Norm went down was he stumbled...look again numbnut
Hunter went down... with diarrhoea. Some call it a stumble.
Real men on pitch not like today’s players
I love Franny's wild swings. Amazing.
No-one could cope with Franny's belly...every team's defence in the 70's was scared and pooped their pants.
Leeds V Derby in the 70s - always value for money!!
This was the first away game I went to
Absolute class! A right good punch up twice.
Those were the days, not like the over paid pansys of today.
Ahh, those were the days. Not that I remember them in any way, I'm only 20 but still... those were the days. Some modern fooballers wouldn't have lasted 2 minutes back then.
Exactly 😌
i was there, couldn't wait to see it on MOTD that night. Franny did fall a little easily, but those leeds players needed a slapping....
Leeds always whinged like baby's when teams kicked them back. Bremner especially.
I love the fact that people are still arguing who got the better of who 40 years on lol
and i'm reading this thinking the exact same thing 2 years later
@@lilsleep7313 And I'm laughing at your comment 2 years later.
Proper footy,great days,great scraps,
great video!
That was a great match that night
RIP Norman Hunter
Toddy got a cheeky left in on Hunter off the ball , nice.
Love you Rams til i die....
Proper football back then.
Its nice looking back to a time when football players could throw a decent punch. In the past couple of decades we've had to make do with Lee Bowyer throwing handbags at thin air type punches.
Lee was a legend
This is awesome 😆
All of the comments miss the real treat...that was one of the best dives ever to secure a penalty...that would have won a gold at any Olympic Games...LOL, many thanks for this.
Anyone who says diving started with foreign footballers have obviously never seen Franny Lee play.
Hunter punched him when Lee wasn't looking but bottled it big time when Lee went face to face. Typical Dirty Leeds.
Now this is how football shud be
thats how they rolled then not like todays fannies.
Awesome! Top draw! Those were the days.....😂😀👍🏻
Leeds were super ace back in the 70's.....
What's not so well known is that the fight started Lee's contractions a month early.
This must have been that last proper tear up on the pitch till today all handbags now
That would be awesome!!
I seem to remember Duncan McKenzie trying some kind of leapfrog / nutmeg move in the first few minutes of that match too...
DID THE CROWD HAVE TO PAY EXTRA FOR THE ADDED ENTERTAINMENT
The late Norm is retreating like an Italian tank in top gear.
Lol got to admit that. At Man City Lee used to be known as "Lee One Pen" as he scored so many (he was the one "fouled" on more than one occasion!) Later the press dubbed him "Lee Won Pen" for obvious reasons.
I prefer this to today's rubbish.
the 2020 it's even worse
Is it just me or were the nets wider back then?
Absolutely
It looked like the smaller player (Lee) was getting on top in the fight until it was broken up!
Harry Carpenter should have been in the commentary box that day
Franny throws some good shots there nice straight hands !
No, it was Dave Mackay I think
These guys are Titans compared to todays men.
forest can only dream of having matches this good
@@thesedreamsarefree Derby belongs to non-league
Apart from those European Cups they won I'm sure you're right.
I find it ironic that Hunter blindsided Lee who was known as a "diver", but when it came to face to face it was Hunter who ended up on the floor!
Briiliant..when men played the game
Proper footy... Nothing like the crap we see today...
Those were the days. and the win is all Derby have to hold on to, hopefully they can hold on to their club though.
2:34 robben's dad ??
This was a boxing match in the middle of a football game!! So, you get to see two sports with the price of one ticket!! It would be nice if they could add weight lifting as well next time!!
First round Hunter
Second round Lee
Result...a win for Lee on points...lol
Yeah this is great
Brilliant
How much would Lee have pounded Hunter if nobody split them up?
Bremner at 1.59 flying through the air just to hurt someone was a nice touch.
Spectero - Archie Gemmill (his Scotland teammate).
......."Forget the ball, let's get on with the game"...
0:42 !! Never a penalty !! Lee was famous for diving all over the place, so I don't blame Hunter for hitting him !
I have it....its on one of Danny Bakers footie vids...will try and sort it out. Danny even translates what Keegan mouths to the ref when he gets sent off although you can probably work it out!
Sucker punch by Hunter! No wonder Lee was pissed off?
Derby were a top team too.
When football was real....
Francis Lee didnt win that fight. Hunter did. Hunter landed a solid right hook on him. Then in the second round which you claim Lee wins, he actually doesnt land a single punch on Hunter, he misses every single one, and Hunter only went down because his legs got tangled up with Lee's.
What actually happened was (a) they had been nibbling at each other throughout the game, (b) in this incident as Lee shot Hunter hit him with his elbow/shoulder (can't remember now), and (c) Lee ignored the ball coming off the keeper, turned and punched Hunter. That punch connected. (d) The rest is shown in the above clip.
Sucker punches were a Leeds trademark. Just like Giles on Keegan. No one on one, Hunter wanted no part of Lee.
interesting that they werent using yellow/red cards in 1975. I thought the practice was much older than that.
Bit of a strange one in English football. Introduce in 1976, removed in 1981 then reintroduced in 1987.
Now that was a punch up.
Don't suppose anyone's got Bremner and Keegan getting sent off in the charity shield - I'd love to see that again
ua-cam.com/video/zAc5U5HZtws/v-deo.html Isn't it great that Johnny Giles decked Keegan with a right hook and only got booked?
Referees cost Leeds many trophies. European Cup final, Cup Winners Cup final, West Brom debacle; the later cost Leeds at least 2 league championships. Fixture congestion due to team being full of internationals and constantly reaching later stages of all competitions paid heavily.
What are you talking about - that silly short arsed git Franny didn't land a single punch. Norman was backing off because he knew if he threw another one he'd get a lengthy ban. The FA for once saw that diving Franny was the villain here and he was rightly punished more severely than Norman.
@panchopuskas1 Yeah every decision against them is followed by the ref being surrounded and why don't they just give Ferguson the whistle near the end of the game so he can blow for full time when he thinks it's ok.
If they're behind he'll add 10 mins, but not if they're 1-0 up for some strange reason.
Apart from a few times like this in '75 (I was in the pop side at this game) they never did it.
I remember Bruce Rioch getting told about calling the linesman a wanker though lol.
they look like pub boozers compared to todays lithe athletes...but.... the footy was 100x better then with terraces and proper working class crowds..
Great right cross Norm.
Dirty dirty Leeds
Funny I was watching a fight & a football match broke out!
Norman hunter went down as if he had been hit by Joe Frazier but Franny Lee proper scrapper brilliant no prima Donnas back then
I was there in the Pop Side and I remember it so well.
They were real men then, not like the overpaid girls who go down crying when they get little more than a tap on the shin.
When a tackle was a tackle and players where players happy days
For all his arm flails Lee doesn't land one single punch. But In the first spat Hunter does get a good punch to land. So on points Hunter does actually win!
difficult to hit someone running away
Hunter landed a cheap shot on Lee but lee did not go down
Lee conned poor Norman
Granny swings and misses Norman ducks and dives Ali friends in the bar later the don,s paying out of his own pocket
hunter the infamous leeds hardman?
evidence here?
none.
Brilliant 😂
Standard Sunday morning football
"When real men played football". Complete dive for the pen, and handbags at ten paces aplenty. Not much has changed.
@lkijju I didn't miss them
It would improve the game hugely if more players did a Hunter-i,e gave a good smack in the mouth to players who dived for a penalty (which is why he slapped Lee). There'd be great fights every match. Real entertainment !!
I am a Rams fan but they did have amazing seasosn...but should have won more. Wonder what they would have achieved if Revie had not left.
i thought they were abit hasty sacking mackay..especially when we won 8-2 against spurs
His book sheds more light on this. He heard from a journalist that the board were trying to get clough and taylor back (Derby had a poor start to the season). Confronted the board and resigned in anger.
nope he'd left and went to managed leeds then got sacked before this game i THINK at this point he was at brighton with taylor
My nana loved Francis lee detested Leeds until European cup final where she disliked Munich a lot more than Leeds she was a footballers wife meanwhile I moved to wilsden west York's as a 3 year old so cheered for Leeds lol my grandad twice size of Bremner I lived 70 but know how tame it was to the 30s at 3 00 pm sat 14 th Jan 1933 his squad of 19 at Walsall was valued at £69 up against triple league champs elect £40000 of Herbert Chapman's arsenal for George Leslie instageted the potentially most violent match seen in England how could walsall beat arsenal in 32 33 Chapman was rude said his side's boots Cost £87 their squad £69 by 5 Walsall s centre half was valued at £3000 he personally did what no one in England could do he knocked ten bags of crap out of the Wembley wizzard Alex James Walsall 2 arsenal 0 is the biggest f a cup upset England ever had . So we see Franny the red head on bite your legs he did ok bless , but I'm sure if triple league champs arsenal could not take walsalls out right physicality it would be a bloody good watch Walsall s 33 side lead by 6ft 2 Leslie then against the Leeds side of 70s it would AVE been a bloodbath lol England played Italy in Rome weeks later had to do facist salute and Italy had no element of surprise liem Walsall , walsalls physicality saw england cope with Italy how many arsenal in side the arsenal players in rome must have felt like world cup holders were Walsall reserves Lol
@cantor0305 Not at all stunned. Players of his physique can still make it "today". Look at Brazilian forward "Ailton", he looks like wearing a ton of weight, but scored many many goals in top flight football the last decade.
god, this game used to be played by real MEN...football's golden age...(sigh)