Reffy Mitrailleuse 1867
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- An animation of the Reffye Mitrailleuse of 1867. Multi-barrel Mitrailleuse (grapeshot shooters) were originally developed in Belgium in 1851. The Reffye Mitrailleuse, developed for the French Army in 1865, had 25 barrels and fired 13mm bullets. Firing rate was between 75 and 125 rounds per minute; the animation shows the rather cumbersome loading and firing process. France fielded 190 Reffye Mitrailleuse during the Franco-Prussian war (1870-72) but the tactical use of these machine guns had not been worked out, and they were rarely used effectively. There are excellent articles in Wikipedia on the Reffye Mitrailleuse giving the history and tactics of this gun. I have published other animations of Victorian-era machine guns on UA-cam (vbbsmyt), and for further information google for Victorian ship models, and anti torpedo boat guns.
Animation created using Cinema 4D.
An excellent choice for concealed carry
Good choice...
Sorry but concealed carry?😃
@@rayyanirsyad7463precisely, concealed carry
Don't forget your WD-40...
@@2ndcomingofFritz a little to big doesn't affect right?
Wow, that's a great animation. I had no idea how the firing pins were triggered. That's pretty clever. A really cool weapon.
3:20 you see the space where the firing pins go through, those space has small bumps that releases the firing pins.
This is probably one of the best firearms animations I've ever seen. Facinating how the firing mechanism is has similarities to a Jacquard loom. 10/10
Excellent animation of the firing mechanism!
I wondered how it had worked. Now I see that cocking and firing were of the very smart design. I did not expect something so simple. Genial.
This is a very strange mechanism, even for a French firearm
Cinema 4D.
Time has shown the superiority of the Gatling design, but before 1874 Gatlings were very heavy and needed artillery carriages to transport the gun and the large quantity of ammunition needed, which limited mobility. 1000 rounds would weigh 1 cwt (50 Kg) and this had to be transported by horse drawn wagon or mule in those days, so supplying the ammo needed for a rapid firing gun was a problem (at least on land)
These would have been best like the smaller breech loading fortress guns as a stationary set piece. It's basically a longer range grapeshot thrower than a suppressive weapon. Against line infantry at a chokepoint like a bridge this would be devastating but in the field where it could be counter batteried by light field artillery or even a gatlin or jaegers this would be a fairly easily countered piece of equipment.
When it was used against prussian artillery troops, capable of silencing/suppressing them, it was devastating but it was mostly used against infantery which wasn't very useful except in defending a chokepoint
I think it was the other way round. The Reffye was out-ranged by Prussian artillery, so was very vulnerable to counter-battery fire. When correctly sited, it was devastating against packed infantry columns who thought themselves beyond the range of French Chassepot rifles. However, because the Reffye was so cumbersome to move, the batteries were frequently outflanked by skirmishers who stayed out of the line of fire.
Simply fascinating! I always wondered how they worked! Excellent!
GREAT stuff! Thanks!
Yeah, I can see how this weapon required a lot of effort to keep up sustained fire and why that was a major design flaw.
Ngl the only thing that confused me was the firing mechanism until you showed the x-ray front section of the firing pin plate in motion. Thats incredibly simple and clever, I love it.
The plate, what an intelligent idea it is ! Simple and great.
Thank you very much! It's well explained the firing mechanism.
So simple but yet so smart
insanely well made
A useful historical and engineering resource. Thanks for posting.
Great animation. Thank you
Intéressant et éducatif.
Merci
Fun fact: In french all machine guns still are
called mitrailleuse.
Ce mécanisme était un chef d'oeuvre.
This gun is pure geometry.
Анимация супер! Скока не читал описаний устройства этой шайтан-арбы никак не мог въехать че там к чему. Теперь уж никаких вопросов. Создатели (не митральезы а видео) красавы.
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Nice, I wondered how the mechanical aspect of the firing system was, now I understand this machine, very interesting.
Brilliant, thanks !
Came to UA-cam looking to see if there was a video of one being fired and found this. Better than an actual weapon in use. This explained so much, and how this was a much superior weapon to the Gatling. Looks like this wouldn't jam as much. Thanks for creating this!
I'm not an fan of the gatling but I would not say that this is superior: first of all there isn't so much going on, in practice it is a big cannon with 25 little and a breach-block operated by a crank, wouldn't surprise that it don't jam; secondly this has a really slow firing rate considering all the reloading procedure.
yeah this gun is obviously inferior to a gatling, mostly for its rate of fire caused by the unneeded complexity of reloading it, and the fact that there are 25 firing pins. Gatlings can be perfectly reliable.
The only thing this has over the Gatling is that it is much harder for hang fires to become hazardous, in that you have out of battery destinations (early cartridges were not very consistent).
Absolutely appreciate your work
Very smart inventets around in the olden days
Genius design👍
however, respect baby, this is first automatic weapon ever ever made. when you see rambo shooting his full auto m60, think to this grand grand dad.
Nope, Richard Gatling invented the first SUCCESSFUL automatic weapon, the Gatling gun in 1863 in the US during the civil war. It was made for the north. Before him was the coffee mill gun or ager gun and before that the harmonica rifle by Richard browning in 1853 and before that the puckle gun in 1718 and before that the chain ballista by the Romans some 200 BCE
Thanks. Now I can sleep well.
This thing has always somewhat fascinated me; it’s like someone mashed a pepperbox revolver, a Gatling gun, and something not too far off in concept from modern speed-loaders.
No matter how good your guns are, if you don't know what to do with them.
picardbs ...then what?
Then you become a republic
@Chris_Wooden_Eye Not the case this time.
They were used as artillery pieces. The most successful use happened when Prussian/Coalition forces got into firing field of previously unseen gun.
@@PobortzaPl yeah nah they sucked
@VoltigeurFR the prussian or the french?
I assumed it was *way* more complicated than that. It’s crazy how simple it is
Nice video, well-done and informative animation.
Wow! Great animation. I love it. Had to subscribe. Interesting firing mechanism too.
Great animation, fascinating mechanism. Was reading that the Mitrailleuses weren't as effective as they might have been because (1) the French never had enough of them deployed, and (2) artillerymen often didn't understand the weapon. But apparently, in the hands of a skilled gunnery team, they could be devastating, such as at the Battle of Gravelotte, where Prussian casualties were three times that of the French. (The chassepots undoubtedly helped a little.)
That was brilliant!!
So this gun here, has the capability, with a 13mm clipazine, to fire 25 bullets in half a second?
TheSuburban15 I get your point, but one could presumably thread the "sear" block so it operates to full extent in 1/4 turn, I suppose. Dunno if they were ever threaded that way, however.
More these machines at Sedan!!!
Much simpler than I thought it would be. I think early machine guns weren't effective 1) because they used black powder, so there would be a column of white smoke rising from the gun, marking its position for artillery, and 2) because they were mounted on artillery carriages, making their use less flexible and maneuverable.
The problem with this Mitrailleuse was that the French deployed them in batteries rather than dividing them up to support their infantry. They were handled more like artillery which negated their true worth. The French simply hadn't learned to use them properly.
Not really, I think it's more a conception problem rather than a misunderstand about the propper use. This is an early machine gun design, built like an artillery piece, totally different than how we consider a machine gun today. The first Gatlings was also used like that, mounted on artillery carriages. Today the war doctrines evolved a lot in 150 years, so it's not really pertinent to compare that with the modern use of machine guns.
using black powder would mark the position of the gun too.
+Otto Matick PaulthaPict is right tho they really did use them at long range like their artillery, were they lacked in power and were easy pickings for the krupp artillery. The disdain for machine guns this created lasted to ww1.
*Belgium*
So sick
Ah yes, the infamous super weapon
Very Cool!
reminds me of a Victorian era music box
Great !
If you think, now a single soldier with an automatic rifle has more or less same firepower of this piece of artillery, if not more (since reloading a rifle costs less time than reloading this Mitralleuse).
One thing I don't quite get is the function of the shroud around the barrel cluster. It must have been in place for a reason, being this thick and heavy
spectacular!
*Tututututu!!!*
Way excellent animation! What software did you use?
As for the rapid firing weaponry of the time, I like the Gatling much better because of the rotary barrels and the ability to keep on firing for as long as you have a magazine large enough to keep on feeding it and for as long as you can crank the handle.
わかりやす
good job
Does Ian Macalum know about this???
Yes he does ;)
Cette arme a été très efficace, notamment à Gravelotte et Mars la tour.
L' état major français a mal utilisé cette arme nouvelle, elle a été confiée, à l'artillerie
au lieu de l'infanterie.
+roi des koalas . Assurément. Foire armées ont pas développé les tactiques pour l'utilisation de nouvelles armes, et appris de dures leçons dans la première vraie guerre. Rob
Can you make a video in how the Armstrong 20 pound artillery gun fire?
A gas operated piston. How hard is that to comprehend 19th century guys?
I wonder what happend if it have 100 barrel in it, very op
nice piece of engeenering, simple and smart, a better use could been devastating !
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brava!
This looks like cannister shot with extra steps
Grape and Case shot fired from cannon had an effective range of about 400m. The Dreyse and Chassepot rifles had effective ranges of about 800m, so any mass formation of infantry at 1000m and beyond was largely immune (apart from solid cannon balls). The Reffye, France’s ‘secret weapon’ in the late 1860’s, was able to deliver large volumes of bullets into infantry columns at ranges of up to 2000m. When deployed correctly against the packed ranks of Prussian infantry, it was devastating. However the carriages were heavy and treated as artillery but the Reffye did not have the range to reach Prussian artillery, so were very vulnerable to counter-battery fire. The Reffye also fired a very narrow cone of fire, so Prussian skirmishers would approach to rifle range on the flanks and knock out the Reffye crews. The Reffye was an excellent idea, but no-one had thought to develop tactics. As a result, of the 186 (not sure of the exact number) Reffye mitrailleuse deployed in the Franco-Prussian war (1870-72) most were destroyed or captured in the first 3 months.
@@vbbsmyt Thanks for the comment and explaining the thinking behind these guns. I really enjoy your models and animation.
That's an extremely complex mechanism.
The Franco-Prussian War 1870/71 brought me here to see what the Mitrailleuse were.
j »Ai vu ce modèle de canon à balles au musée des invalides à Paris! Le mécanisme est assez complexe et ingénieuse à la fois! Pour l' utilisation il faut dire qu' il fallait être rapide et organiser, bien sur!? Merci pour ce documentaire...
Made in Belgium
@@hansstrouf Le modèle belge était la mitrailleuse Montigny, datant de la même époque ...
Very interesting animation, thank you. But the lack of any capacity to traverse or elevate at will meant this was never going to be effective.
Запомнился отрывок из весторна с Клинт Иствудом , там он стреляет из аналогичного пулемёта. Жаль не помню название фильма , хотел бы ещё раз его посмотреть.
"A Fist Full of Dollars" (1964). Purely for the sake of research you understand, I watched the film again. The front half of the gun is loosely modelled on a Montigny ( ua-cam.com/video/497Htfzz1nc/v-deo.html - but with too many barrels) while the rear half might be modelled on a Maxim (without an ammunition belt). The main villain, Ramon (played by Gian Volonte) is using a two handed grip, but the Montigny is operated by turning a crank. So the gun is totally made up - but what the heck, why let technical inaccuracies spoil a good story. Regards Rob
If France had only won the 1870 War, a lot of lives could have been saved in World War I. Still, this is an extremely cool gun.
So this is kind of like Metalstorm eh
Hello! I am making a youtube video about Franco-Prussian war, can i use this video?
My animations represent a LOT of work, 1 - 2 months work or more, so I must ask for a licence fee from someone who wants to use all or part of my animations, and they must credit me with copyright and authorship. Please contact me by e-mail (in the credits of the Chauchat 1915), and let me know exactly how much of the animations you want to use.
I'd hate to be the sap that had to clean that thing.
Nice anim, but dam so much parts that can jam !
Genius. They just slide it aside. Lol.
The Franco-Prussian wars is one of the examples of a better armed army (the French) being defeated by one that had inferior weapons (the Prussians).
I know little about this war so I am not sure why the French lost it. I do know France had to pay severe war damage to Germany and that alone was one of the reasons France was still pissed in 1914...
Since the Western Front went right through France and created devastation beyond anything ever seen, one can understand the Versailles treaty.
Gunka no Baltzar brought me here
Dem Ding möchte ich als Soldat nicht gegenüber stehen 😮
The shots actually go left bottom to top not top left to bottom
Hmm. And what is your source for this statement?
Hey Big Brain, nothing heard from you. Have you realised how technically incompetent and ignorant your post was?
This mitrailleuse was used by the French for demonstration executions instead of the guillotine during the Paris Commune)))
I suspect this is false news. The French revolution, where widespread use of public executions with Guillotine was 1789, but Mitrailleuse was first used in 1870. Most if not all Reffye mitrailleuse had been captured by the Prussians by 1872. While many commune supporters were shot during and after the 1872 revolution, I believe these were not done in public and involved normal firearms.
@@vbbsmyt This is 1871. "The last 147 who resisted were shot with mitrailleuse in the early morning of may 28 at the fence of the Pere Lachaise cemetery. Now this place is called the Wall of Communards" (с)
It was your linking the Guillotine with the Mitrailleuse that confused me. I agree that the last 147 were shot by firing squad. Can you identify the source that said they were shot by a mitrailleuse please.
Very cool animation, only too bad the frenchie soldiers didn't know how to use it properly, or perhaps not too bad after all...
18th metalstorm
Primitivo
Just guess who had received these weapons around 1870, just before the franco-prussian war in which the Germans had a strong artillery advantage.!!
Great video! Can you do one on:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzlose_Model_1908
And/Or
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hino%E2%80%93Komuro_pistol
Cannon machine gun
I have one of those and I know where you live
Kk
Чёртова шарманка.
Die, Prussians, die! >
It might have... But it was SO secret they didnt even know how to deploy or even operate the damn thing
To those in the comments this was not the first automatic gun. In fact it wasn’t even a successful gun. Nope, Richard Gatling invented the first SUCCESSFUL automatic weapon, the Gatling gun in 1863 in the US during the civil war. It was made for the north. Before him was the coffee mill gun or ager gun and before that the harmonica rifle by Richard browning in 1853 and before that the puckle gun in 1718 and before that the chain ballista by the Romans some 200 BCE
becausse ,the Krupp canon and a loosy and poorly comandship ...
French officer has made an napoléonian war ....
Americans did it better