Dwarfs vs Dwarfs - Warhammer The Old World Battle Report
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Andy's experimental points-denial Dwarf list takes on a very different style of Dwarfs in this beard measuring contest for the ages.
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It seems to me like elements of the Old World system (particularly the way scoring works) encourages very cagey games. Not sure if those would be described as 'tactical' or 'boring'? Maybe a bit of both? I feel like this game needs to be shaken up a bit. I know they were probably leaning into nostalgia quite hard, but a bit of innovation would not go amiss.
@@kurukblackflame The scoring is just bad, I agree. Needs some proper scenarios.
Your later comment about limiting the doom seeker to one to limit the risk of giving points away to an opponent that doesn’t engage.
Put them opposite and close to enemy fire, and treat their 50pt expense like you would any chaff unit. Redirect enemy fire/resources or let them suffer the consequences of not handling that fellow from barreling into them.
@@TheJankmaster Mainly concerned about the super mobile lists that could just ignore them and go about their business as usual.
@@Andy2D6 good point…thinking out loud, can the anvil move them?
The “points denial” strategy was more effective than you expected 😂
Thanks for sharing the report!
@@jaydub1112 TOO effective, definitely.
Fun to watch and see such different lists face off. I think with a ranger unit that large your deployment should always be set up to allow them to go super wide.
The obscene linehammer tactic is coming up in a tournament report later.
Your list would be greatly improved by the addition of a dire weasel. Perhaps some Soviet tanks or even just the body of an ancient Bloodthirster.
@@ClydeMillerWynant But not the arm of Nagash?
@@Andy2D6 In the name of points denial you should field the missing rest of him instead.
You may think the same should apply to the 80s Bloodthirster, but I have that model and am miles away from ever using it so want it to see some action as part of my vicarious UA-cam-Warhammer experience.
Drop me a message on one of the social medias and let's talk 'thirsters.
Did you decide the thane BSB can in fact join the Unbreakable Hammerers, in spite of not himself not having unbreakable? Do you reckon the Slayer King in fact gives the characters in the unit unbreakable also, or something?
Unless it gets FAQ'd, it seems like the Hammerer unit is not already Unbreakable when the Thane joins. It only becomes Unbreakable when Ungrim joins (at the same time). If the Thane left the unit for some reason, he would not be allowed to re-join.
@@Andy2D6 - feels to me a bit like exploiting a loophole. It shouldn’t matter which order the BSB joins. I will personally not play it until it’s FAQ’d.
@@Andy2D6 I'd say that RAI are trying and stop anyone putting characters who are not unbreakable in a unit that is. Once Ungrim joins the unit the Thane is clearly not allow in the unit. Maybe RAW you get away with it, but IMO its a fairly clear breach of RAI. Have you thought about how you'd handle it if a TO ruled against you?
Evil Stunties on both sides??
EVIL??
@@Andy2D6 very evil! dey use war machines and stuff to preent my boyz to get some free ale from da stunty breweries on our raids... That is pure evil, no?
@@Andy2D6 Yeah they keep stopping me from getting free ale as we raid da stuntie´s breweries.. Shootin´ and stuff at us.. That´s evil? ;)
Just starting here, but multiple (several?) doom seekers seem to work in the denial list, and give you some chaff. Can multiple individuals be bought? Do they take a force org slot?
You can take up to 3, so they are an option.
I'm not sure about the massive unit of Rangers taking on a Dragon. Lets say you are up against a HE Star Dragon & Prince with a 5+ ward. Stand & Shoot ought to do one casualty. If you've got a character (e.g. the Runesmith) he can challenge, probably getting around 8 wounds, capped to 7 for overkill. You get rank, banner & 1 wound? So lose by 5 (he's got close order). Without the challenge to protect him, even 15 wide, you are getting ~7 attacks which is ~1 wound. You aren't too likely to flee from each of those (9+ Ld) but over 2 rounds that's about 50/50.
My guess would also be that they're going to get wiped out most of the time. Kind of hope that I'm right even though I would ordinarily want Andy and his Dwarfs to do well, there's nothing much to like about this list for me.
@@ClydeMillerWynant I would like to run more visually pleasing lists, but gotta try everything once.
@@Andy2D6 That's absolutely fair enough and it definitely has its own fascination. And you're playing so regularly against often very competitive lists that you've got to try things. I don't anticipate it doing well though that's very much a guess, but if it does do well I kind of feel that it's the sort of solution that just exacerbates the problems.