BATTLE OF THE PERMANENT JEWELRY WELDERS | AMAZON VS ORION | Sarah Brithinee
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Thank you so much for watching today’s video! If you’re interested in starting a permanent jewelry business I’m sure the question of which welder to buy has crossed your mind multiple times. Today I’m comparing the Amazon unbranded welder to the Sunstone Orion mPulse welder. I share the pros and cons of each as well as my final thoughts.
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First off, great video. I've welded on & off for some 40-plus years. At times I may go 4 years without welding. My daughter is looking into this permanent jewelry business. For the people who have to buy the Amazon welder. You can buy an auto spark shield from wherever you buy your argon. Another option is to go to Harbor Freight & look at their welding helmets. Buy one of those & take the auto-darkening frame & attach it to your stylus stand. As far as not liking the feel of the stylus material, simply wrap it with something sew it tightly & cut off the remaining part. The clip is part of your ground. I guess I should be doing a UA-cam video on this. Remember, anything you buy from China is metric. Wherever you buy your argon they will have different size tubing or an auto supply store.
i get the one from china, and i am using it with out the argon tank, most of my works are with gold and silver which i charge to my customers about 45 usd every work minimum, a little frustrated ate the beginning but let me tell you a big secret, clean the piece you're going to work with, normally i use my ultrasonic, youll get surprise with the results, use gold option and go up in power if you need it not time set time at the lowest. my machine already paid itself. no need to buy the expensive/
Hey! Which did you get?
Can you tell us which one you got and what ultrasonic you use?
Can you help where you bought it , like aliexpress?
Ok so I don't need the argon tank? I got worried there. Thanks for this info
Para trabajar con oro hay que colocar soldadura o la punta hace que soldé ?
The cover on the alligator clip is a safety feature.
Hey! Where do you get your jewelry for the permanent bracelets and anklets? Like what vendor or wholesale do you use?
For the description of people getting burned on the other side of their arm. I can think of a few possibilities...
1) They were working on a metal table.
2) the chair was metal and they were on concrete or dirt
3) it was outside and the person was barefoot.
You can probably avoid those issues by:
don't use a metal table.
bring a rolled up rubber carpet to put the customer's chair on so that chair or bare feet, they don't accidentally ground themselves.
When buying the argon tank, which tubing is the best one to get? The one with the 1/4" tubing, or the one with the 8mm tubing? Also, is it best to go ahead and buy it with the regulator?
First, the port from the cheap one has threads to tighten down an adapter with a wrench. So it looks like you’re missing a piece.
I hear a lot of concerns about missing the work piece and hitting your fingers. If you look at the fingers of someone fortunate enough to have a $40,000.00 laser welder, even their fingers have tiny little spots where even they (using a dual vision magnifier and the benefit of a crosshatch- as if you’re a fighter jet bomber trying to hit a single building- there are always going to have innocent casualties. In this tiny case, your fingers are those casualties! It doesn’t hurt like burning yourself with a torch. Not even as much as having your big brother pinch you. Yes, you feel it. Yes, it stings a little but it’s not like getting a flu shot kind of pain. Ladies,,,, if you’re a jeweler, your hands will show that this is your profession. You get calluses just from holding pliers and other tools in very specific places on your hands. But you’re also not going to burn your store/house/studio down. And your aim will get better every time you use one of these welders.
The cheaper ones are probably fine so your paying for customer service and probably better made inner parts. Eventually, they will both break down and you’ll need to either fix it yourself (see UA-cam videos) or send it back to the manufacturer for the more expensive ones. Hope this helps.
Oh, the little “U” shaped end of the cord is to be slid under the proper screw and tightened down well.
Now that they have the newest welder the PJ. Do you recommend that one for someone starting out? So they don’t have to upgrade later on?
Hi Sarah. Thanks for your information. I'm interested in using a pulse arc welder to use at an outdoor makers market. Do you think this would be possible? Would I need electricity to use it and is it a fire hazard? I've taken an intro class and I didn't see if the units needed to be plugged in and the small spark I suppose could be a fire hazard.
Do you have a video or a link where one can purchase the spools of gold chains? Thanks.
Is this just for jump rings or will it work to solder earring posts?
Nice comparison video. I'm tempted to get one of the Amazon welders - can't afford the Orion. There also seems to be other options such as the Sparkle but these need you to trigger the foot pedal to trigger and I like the automatic trigger on these.
I hope you don't mind but I've a couple of ideas after watching your video and have a couple of questions.
To use that horse shoe connector at the end of the tweezers you unscrew the ground terminal (where you plug the connector of the alligator clip) slightly, put that in the gap then tighten up so you can have 2 different grounding tools connected at the same time - even though it appears to have 2 ground connectors so in theory you could have the alligator clip, the tweezers, and possibly do a DIY connection to pliers and possibly a smaller, fine alligator clip for fine jump rings all connected so you don't have to keep unplugging and plugging in the ground when working on a piece.
The Argon leak seems to be a big flaw - if it wasn't just limited to a fault on yours, have you figured that out? Was the hiss more from the back than the front or visa versa? I'm asking because it looks as if the Argon is passed through to the handset through the thick cable and therefore through the 3 pinned connector.
I'm wondering if there was an o ring missing from that that might have caused the leak.
I'm not sure but the supplied pressure gauge, from what I can make out on photos on Amazon and Ali Express, seems to have 2 different sized push tube connectors (4mm & 6mm?). Do you know if this is the case?
This would make sense to me because the regulators I've seen for refillable Argon tanks use a 6mm tube and have their own pressure gauge whilst for disposable tanks they all seem to use 4mm tubing and not all of them have gauges, so this would add the gauge and do the format conversion if this is the case.
I'm not planning to do permanent jewellery but that person who had burns - does it explain where they had actually connected the ground connector, could it have been user error (e.g. connected electrode to back of the bracelet rather than next to the weld)?
For the 1mm electrode - did it come with other collets as it looks like you may have to swap out the collet to be able to use the thicker electrodes.
Honesty is the most valuable aspect of a review. Thanks. I would go with the Orion mPulse for many reasons. Just have to scrimp and save.
Where do I buy your gold or silver from?? Thinking to maybe start this as a business, and also since is gold filled doesn’t it tarnish in less than a year?
wich settings did you use for the amazon machine?
Hi there! Could you tell me how to install the needle in the pen?!
I was looking for a miniature oxy fuel torch because I work on small detailed parts and a suggested item was a jewelry welder. It looked smaller than a spot welder for lithium ion batteries for $2400 and that's nuts! I took jewelry for four years in highschool but I never worked with anything more valuable than sterling silver and we only soldered rings never welding. Still very interesting and now I'm going to see if I can find a circuit diagram of one of these.
I have thw amazon welder from and have not received instructions for use. I wanted to ask what settings I need for my jewelry:
Sterling Silver 925
Gold filled 14K
Metal (black)
thank you for your help!
what plyers did you use to hold to jump ring & the hemostat?
Would you recommend the Sunstone Zapp permanent jewelry for beginners machine?
That is completely normal for ground cable, most arc systems don’t have the covering on them at all.
tweezers and the neutral, hence blue.
And yes! It’s a regulator for argon gas.
Umm should people who don’t understand the basics of an electrical circuit be doing welding anyway?
I use two pulse arc welders at my work- the Orion mPulse and a Lampert PUK. Also have a Sunstone laser welder. All of these machines were purchased retail. I've been a professional jeweler for 25+ years and using welding equipment in jewelery for over 16 years (basically millions of welds.)
The big advantage of the Orion welder is that if you have no prior experience with these types of machines, you're going to have a much better user experience right out of the gate. And yes you pay for that experience.
If you're a novice and you need technical support and maybe advice/instruction then the Orion is clearly the one to get.
Having said that, all of these machines require practice and patience in order to get good solid welds. And ALWAYS use argon shielding if you want quality welds.
The most important things are getting a proper grind on the electrode, cleanliness of the weld area, having a good ground connection, and proper orientation of the electrode to the weld surface.
One other thing I should mention is eye protection. With the mPulse it's built in via the auto darkening screen or if you get the microscope version like I have, it has a built in LCD shutter to protect your eyes (same as the Lampert PUK pulse welder.)
With the Amazon welder you either need to wear an auto darkening welding helmet or very dark protective glasses, which makes seeing your weld area much more difficult, especially when working on things like super tiny chain links.
The microscope version of the Orion mPulse adds about $500 to the cost, and while it makes it less portable, it allows for MUCH better view of the weld area. If you can afford the microscope version definitely get it- you won't be disappointed.
hi thanks for sharing this!! do you recall which of the amazon options you went with or all of them the same?
Hi, i have a problem i bought it a lot of money but it have very much power so even in 1% it melts silver.
Can I ask what settings you had them on?
I started my PJ business in November and I use the Amazon welder. I am curious what settings you used when you made this video. I use the Ortho lowest setting. But I would like another opinion. Thanks so much for this video! So helpful!
I’ve been having a lot of trouble with my welder, it seems like it doesn’t do anything or it completely blasts through even thick gauge sterling silver. Did you have this issue with this machine?
@@valnorth what would you suggest getting the chains for wholesale?
gathering info to start my own permanent jewelry business and this was so helpful! thank you!!
Congrats on starting, that's so exciting! I'm glad this was helpful (:
Hi pretty, I'm new to your channel and I heard you say something about the noise of the cotton and it's not normal I bought a similar machine to weld jewelry and I did the same thing then I opened it and one of the hoses inside was broken so I changed it and now it's not Nothing can be heard and the argon lasts longer. I hope my experience helps you. a greeting and a hug thank you
Hi, with this Device can welding mini aluminium wires?
can it be 0.2ml thick brass?
The port is probably metric on one welder and Imperial on the other. 6mm hose is .35mm smaller than .25inch(6.35mm) hose and will go into an imperial port, but will leak. You could use a barbed Y fitting with shutoffs, to split the feed off the argon tank, with two different hoses to the machines.
The alligator clip that's actually normal for a welder. The other parts are extra for what you need.
Do you have to use the gas? I just got the Orion one and learning all the details for permanent jewelry
You don’t. But it helps make its easier to weld the jewelry and it’s helps with less maintenance and cleaning up etc.
The reason your argon leaked with the Amazon bought is because that is not the tube the welder came with. It comes with a specific tube made for the machine that fits properly and no leaks.
hi! which one of the amazon options did you go with? i see so many options in different shades.
Your argon leak is at the bottle valve. When opening that valve, turn it all the way open - otherwise the valve 'open' seat doesn't have anything against it and is leaking past. Consider that valve as 2 positions (fully open & fully closed.)
hi Sarah please let me know if need amazon welder instruction manual. i will make a video of it and share a link here.
Please do
There are two different heads, two for the 1mm and two for the .5mm needle.
Hello and thanks for the video. I just bought an amazon machin and can you help me and tell me what type of argon to buy ? Thank you so much
There is only 1 kind of Argon, and the size varies greatly.
@@johntaglia9378when it comes to welding you can have a 75% argon and 25% co2. Or you can get straight argon which is what I think they were asking about
Use a stiffer hose for the argon
I did not buy the Amazon welder for permanent jewelry. I'd heard of permanent jewelry but I didn't know it's so popular. I bought the welder to weld.
This sounds like a very biased rating. Sorry. That’s how it looks!
Can I send u a bracelet to solder ?
Can you do a full demo using your preferred welder?
I wish I would have watched this helpful video before ordering lol. I just received the amazon one and it’s missing the power cord!
Reach out to the seller on Amazon.... they will help
I am having trouble to weld gold filled. any tips?
@@karinaabarreto I'm fairly new, only welded about 100 clients so far, but gold-filled is unpredictable. Its absolutely critical that you are closing your jump rings properly or if cutting links you have each side of the chain's wire touching with as much surface area as possible. Also if not using argon (I"m not) you need clean your electrode literally after every weld. Also, when you sharpen your electrode, try a 20 deg point, finer than that concentrates too much power on the tip. I'm having bad results with thin wire on the amazon welder. Less than 24g it's really tough even on the lowest power. I'm curious about the Orion if it performs better on thin wire at the lowest power. It would be nice to be able to handle fine chains instead of relying on jump rings. Maybe the OP can answer this?
Lol @ the ikea analogy.
Hi! Great video. What setting for gold filled on the “amazon welder” did you decide works best?
Power 1, 3ms
Go to a welding supplier close to you and they should be able to help with any questions I would think.
Hi! Is Brithinee your last name by birth or by marriage? I have relatives with that last name or slightly varying spelling. In our family, it was an alteration from the original Ukranian name that changed over time. Is that the same for you?
The Amazon one comes with other tips and sizes it seems you did not go through the box. And you seemed to be very one sided. And not alot of knowledge of what Welding is and the concept. People that are getting burned are from people not knowing what they are doing. You can't just jump into this type of Welding and not understand what your doing or how things work. The Amazon one is just fine especially if you know what your doing.
I've had good luck with the Amazon welder as well, I did just order a used Orion bc I'm dying to see if it can handle thinner wire with lower power. I really don't like using jump rings vs welding the chain link, but I'm finding delicate chains a challenge with the amazon welder. Have you been successful under 24g with any metal? If so please share your electrode shape, power settings, argon or no argon etc. Thanks!
Hola, me puedes ayudar con el barato??
I have one of these Amazon welders 😂 I've tried every possible setting... I'm trying to even get it to work! So far it's a waste of time and money... you want to save money? Buy one that at least has a company support team... I will keep trying to figure it out..
If someone can help me out. Please do...
@@Friction-Jewelry So what have you been using the Amazon welder for? I've been trying to welder a .07mm jump ring and it just blows out the jump ring. I've tried everything...
Juan Torres
You definitely do not have to ask a company for permission to make an honest comparison video. That said, I REALLY appreciate your candid review!
You used the wrong tube you needed to use the tubes that came with it
What if you need a MRI
You can wear your PJ
@@annier9308 yes wear your pajamas to an MRI (couldn't pass that up)
*Are You Sure Now?* if it's real gold i would still take it off.
gold is not magnetic but since the "prostitution of gold" (gold being mixed with none precious metal)
i'll explain in very layman's terms: 24k to be made into 22K, 18K, 14k and so on... has to be "diluted" using silver and copper. now they're using stainless steel. what ever the karat may be (18, 14 etc.) there's still gold in that jewelry but has become magnetic
edit: "now they're using stainless steel" that was jewelry that was being sold 20 yrs ago that was being sold at the retail mall stores, even some of the trusted jewelers got blind sided when they started buying jewelry overseas and needed it that same jewelry repaired. truth always comes out in the jewelers bench. Buyer Beware
Sunstone has a lifetime warranty
You can achieve the same type of welding using a battery. No way I am going to throw $2000 in a pulse welder.
You are so cool. Just had to say it.
:)
This is a horrifying review
The Amazon one in my opinion is way better then the $2500 hands down
She has no idea what she is talking about
She's not very bright.