DARK Multiple Marthas Explained | Who Are the Different Marthas? | DARK Netflix Season 3
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- Did you watch Dark Season 3 on Netflix and find that you're still confused about a few things? If one of those things is keeping track of the many Marthas running around, don't worry - you're not the only one! After a number of people asked for clarification on Martha's timeline and how she seemingly ends up in two places at once, I put this video together to help clarify things!
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I love how they amped up the Jonas/Martha parallels to the point of each one of them having similar quantum duplicates. They each have a self who dies young, a second self who grows up to become a timeline-manipulating elder, and a third self who goes to the origin world to untie the knot.
perfect short explanation of everything!
Well martha dies young two times 😢😢, but i get you.
@@williamconto6977 true but thats only because she exists in 2 worlds unlike Jonas who only exists in his
Adam, Eva, and Claudia each have their own split
@@concernedspectator What?
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO EXPLAINS IN DETAIL THE LOOP IN A EASIER WAY !! THANK YOU !
You're welcome!!!
They took it in One Take.
This was the only thing in season 3 which kept bugging me. U r a legend for explaining it so easily, without any confusing jargon. 😁
Thanks!! I tried to make it as simple as possible, glad it came through that way!
That was a great explanation
Thanks Marla!
"It's a little more complicated than that"... not something you really want to hear in relation to "Dark". ;)
Hahaha so true
Took me about 10 days to get this figured out in my head after June 27th. Very complex.
now I need something like this about Claudia, and I'm all set for a rewatch of all three seasons.
People suggest that Claudia was able to "break the loop" because of her free will. That she didn't contribute to either Adam or Eve's plans. And so she had her own agenda, which was ultimately saving Regina. People theorize that older Claudia continued to pass new information to younger Claudia as the cycle continued to loop. And at some point, when enough information was accumulated through an "infinite" cycles, Claudia finally discovered the real truth of the origin world and knew how to stop it. And in so doing, utilized the loophole to "split" and send herself to talk to Adam in the most recent future as they said it became the first time her and Adam spoke.
However, I disagree. I think it's just another quantum entanglement loop, and that it always existed. I think both realities co-exist of Claudia dying that contributes to the loop happening, and Claudia surviving in stopping the apocalypse. It had to happen because when Martha 2 and Jonas was in "the light" they saw each other's younger counterparts. Meaning, when they were younger, they already witnessed themselves stopping the apocalypse, so it had to already happen. Claudia's utilization of the loop just meant that everyone dies, while simultaneously the other keeps it going. I think as the audience, we just got to witness an ending that was never revealed, that has always occurred. If it's true that Claudia continued to pass information down and "make small changes" to break the cycle, then the loop had to have a beginning where the "first" Claudia didn't know anything. Which means the loops were never infinite but rather finite. I could be entirely wrong though.
TheGreatAyRAB Claudia combined Adam’s knowledge, Eva’s knowledge and her knowledge of Physics to figure everything out. I don’t think it had everything to do with “knowledge loops”
idk if you saw, but he made a fantastic video about Claudia just 3 weeks later!
@@leprechaunsteve8930 That would be impossible without further explanation because if that’s the case then she would’ve solved it in all the previous loops. There has to be a reason that the final loop was different.
@@TheGreatAyRABwell that's the paradox. There is no origin, you lose track of it, or cannot determine it. Like Jonas existence for example. How was even possible for Jonas to be born if there was no Mikkel that traveled to the past "the first time". The beginning is the end and the end is the beginning.
I’m in the middle of my first rewatch, halfway through season 3, and it was starting to get confusing again..until I found this video, which helped substantially. Thanks!
Exactly I was so done after the episode 4 going into 5 on season 3 like man this was a bunch of BS with all the damn Martha's
omfg thank you so much!! this was one of the few things i had a hard time understanding about the show and now its finally clear
Omg Explain more about Claudia! That changes everything!
Great breakdown! thanks for this!
Thanks man, you explained all things that were bothering me for a few days 🤩
Happy to help! 😊
This is a great explanation of the detail that I think is most missed in this series. Most casual watchers don't even understand that there are multiple versions of Martha. Let alone are they able to track the paths of each individual. Bravo. 👏
Im just waiting to you to review this topic . Thanks im really enjoy your video .
This was v.much needed, thanx.
Glad it helped!
Jantje Friese is a genius
Thank you brother for clearing this confusion between these two martha's
Great explanation!!
Thanks!!
Daaaammmnnnn, I'm glad I watched this video. Those Marthas had smoke coming from my ears. Thanks,
Jonas: must...save...Martha
Me: WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!
😂😂😂
Awesome! Thanks!!
You're welcome!
OMG, thank you so much for this video, i had SUCH a hard time following all the different Marthas and forget who is from where and when trying to do what.
You're very welcome! Glad this helped!
Fantastic work, One Take. But Jane Choy, this video isn't entirely accurate.
For one, Adam isn't the person who sends Martha to save Jonas from the apocalypse, Eve is.
At 2:11, after Martha is confronted by adult Magnus and Fransziska, Adam sends Martha to 1888 to give Stranger Jonas the dark matter.
Adam couldn't have sent her to save Jonas from the apocalypse because then Adam would've known about the time loophole, which we know he didn't until Claudia told him at the end
That was awesome, i was confused about the scars in Martha‘s face and how there were 3 young Martha‘s and who was who. And i was thinking that just one Martha had a relationship with Jonas and was confused why the other one was pregnant, but know i see that all Martha‘s had a relationship with Jonas.
That was quite helpful. You make seem almost... easy
Thanks for the kind words! :)
Es ist toll! danke.
I still don't think Claudia needed to be split in two to meet Noah. She simply took the 33 period machine from her younger self and travelled back to end her journey. Remember that she said the loop was neccesary even if she already talked to Adam about the actual way out.
This series is outstanding.
So many intricate details.
Agreed!
Mmmm. How can dark/alt Martha be genetically identical to original Martha? Jonas is Martha's great-great-grandfather and he doesn't exist in alt Martha's world. Somehow Mr Infinity exists in both worlds and inseminates Agnes Nielsen with identical sperm in both? In my opinion parallel timelines and quantum mumbo-jumbo were introduced by the writers to get them out of the bind of determinism they had built for themselves in the first two seasons. Fortunately the fans were sufficiently engaged to do the work of fixing (or overlooking) the plot holes.
Great explanation!
But I'm left wondering, when did adult Magnus and Franziska get the orb time machine that they use to take Martha to Adam?
They took it from Martha (bootstrap paradox)
Please make another video to explain about Claudia and how she uses the time split?
Also another important question is how Claudia notifies there is a time split, while all the cycle happens again and again and nobody can change that.
So that's my big question how does she get that self-awareness about time split, whereas she was in that infinite time loop??
I would be very happy if you make a video about these things
This is my number 2 doubt!
Someone explained it as follows: Everytime the cycle repeats and just before the Apocalypse happens, since Claudia is a scientist, very intelligent and knows about time travel possibility, she makes an incremental understanding which she then notes in her book differently....
The change is small but the cycle has already happened an innumerable number if times for her to understand what was happening, and figure out there must be an origin world....
Once she maps out all the family lineages, and realized that there is no beginning to some characters.... So she eliminates those characters born out of loop, and in the remaining characters, figures out Tannhaus must be the one who must have made a time machine in the origin world which must have created these two loop worlds so the correction lies in saving his family in origin world thereby preventing the splitting of world.... She tells the same to Adam and at the end Adam asks Jonas to go with Martha and save the world....
Which brings us to my number 1 doubt!!!
If the two worlds aren't created, and when Tannhaus family dies on the bridge he hadn't made the time machine by that time, then where did the Jonas and Martha come from who saved his family? A paradox which nobody seems to explain....
Does it mean the two loop worlds were destroyed or they are always there as an alternative reality? And what is the Deja vu Hannah gets at the end looking at yellow jacket? How can she if the two loop worlds are not at all created?
@@050138 Chaman thanks for your great attention! your answer challenged me, but I'm still not convinced. if nothing can be change in those two world, so Claudia could not be able to change anything even her thoughts (according to the Show's rule). so she should not be able to add anything in her notes because the cycle is unchangeable, also the show doesn't explain us about any possibility of change in the cycle, specially about Claudia.
But about your number 1 doubt! I think all of these has happened and Tannhaus finally managed to bring back his son:
in the origin world first time he loses his son and creates a time machine which destroys his world and creates two new worlds. in these new world Martha and Jonas with the help of Claudia can save Tannhaus' son. and Tannhaus notice's nothing. so in my idea all of this existed at one time and then were destroyed. but Tannhaus finally won!!!
@@miladre5655 Regarding your original question, yes the show showed that things are predestined to happen and nobody can change the cycle, because Adam, Eva who were the main players playing chess, always wanted to continue doing what they always did.... And didn't really want any change, so they always create situations where things will repeat themselves.... And even though all characters want to change past, they end up being the cause for the events they want to stop in the first place.... The show says the past is always repeated because people are slaves to their desires and can't control what they want or will which was the shows rule, but the only explanation to the ending is that the cycle can be changed a bit.... If you remember at the fraction of time when time stands still before Apocalypse....
Eva knows this and not Adam, so she uses to her advantage by splitting the reality and creating two chain of events of Martha in the Alt-world - one who saves Jonas and one who doesn't....
So the only way is to assume Claudia made incremental progress each cycle, and when she realized what was happening, she killed her alt-self in Eva's world and then travelled in both worlds and understood from both Adam and Eva what was going on and wrote in her diary.... Later in the last cycle explains to Adam
Coming to your explanation of my other question, I understand but again if that is true, it means in the origin world, the cycle of events can be broken and past can be changed right? My question is that, if Tannhaus did not create the time machine at the end, there is no future version of time machine going wrong, so where did Jonas and Martha come from (as from present point of view the time machine wasn't made and splitting of realities didn't happen at all).... It is only possible if Jonas and Martha exist in the future as part of some possible alternate reality.... Tannhaus son says he saw angels, so where did they come from, when past has been altered and there is no future for them to originate from
@@050138 "Angel Jonas & Martha" came from the same place the shot Jonas or "killed by black hole"-Martha came from: another loop. A mirror world that caused it without direct causation, but something in this world would cause something else that would cause the mirror world again, so the Trifecta can continue looping.
Season 3 is wayyy more confusing than the other two. It’s weird how in marthas world, it’s jonas that starts her on the path and not her older self. And it’s even more confusing that there are marthas that are just a few weeks apart in age. It’s like evas world is completely different than adams, and i wish we could’ve gotten more explanation about the whole timeline in her world.
I'd like to point out that at 2:11, Adam does not send her back to save Jonas from the apocalypse. He sends her to 1888 to give Stranger Jonas the dark matter.
Eve is the person who sends Martha to save young Jonas from the apocalypse.
My understanding is that Adam sent her to 1888 to give Stranger Jonas the dark matter but also sent her to rescue Jonas just before that. If you recall, in episode 6 I believe, we see Adam sending Franziska and Magnus into the God Particle. Then, we see the two of them approach Martha telling her she needs to rescue Jonas from the apocalypse on his world. However, Eva is the one who sends Bartosz to prevent Martha from rescuing Jonas so she can instead become the scarred Martha that kills Jonas. Let me know if I’m missing something though.
@@OneTakeVids Okay, so, Adam, in his past, never remembers a moment where Martha saves him from the apocalypse. That's because Martha did in fact, never save him from the apocalypse.
When the "time-stands-still-for-a-second" loophole happens, two Jonas's are created.
One is saved by Martha. He is later killed by Martha with a gun.
The other is not saved by Martha. He rides out the apocalypse and later becomes Adam.
If Adam did indeed send Martha back to save young Jonas from the apocalypse, that would mean he knows there are two Jonas's out there. One who gets saved by Martha, and the other who doesn't (himself). And hence he would know about the "time-stands-still-for-a-second" loophole.
But we know that he doesn't know about this loophole, because when Claudia explains it to him later he is surprised and shocked and all that.
*So yeah, he couldn't have sent Martha back because that would imply that he knows about the loophole.*
Now for who actually sends Martha back.
When Jonas gets killed, there are 4 Marthas standing around. One is Eve, one is adult Martha, one is the scarred-across-the-eye Martha who just shot him and finally the one just out of her own alt-Winden who accompanied Jonas and got impregnated by him.
So now Eve sends this fourth Martha back to save Jonas from the apocalypse, and, yes, also sends Bartosz to stop her. So now Eve has created a Martha to bring Jonas to her world to impregnate the alt-Martha, and also another Martha (who later grows up to be Eve) to kill Jonas as well.
Another thing, Adam sending Martha to save Jonas makes no thematic sense, since Adam wants to destroy the origin; he would not have sent Martha to save Jonas because that is what ultimately results in Jonas impregnating Martha and the origin being created.
Whoosh. That was long. Hope I've got my point across.
Great work on the rest of this video by the way.
Anony Moose I somehow got your point but Martha who got impregnated by Jonas was actually going to stop Apocalypse with Bartozs after Jonas got killed. She was stopped by Magnus and Franzisca in her way so I don’t think Eve would have sent her to save Jonas. Why alt Martha would be working for Adam if Eve sent her to save Jonas. So I really don’t know who actually sent Martha to save Jonas. If Eve sent her then why is she working for Adam and if Adam sent her then how did he know about that as he never been to alt world
Also I think the whole idea of Adam trying to kill pregnant Martha is dumb. Suppose if he knew about splitting realities then he would have also known that killing pregnant Martha won’t stop the loop as there is another Martha who is still pregnant with unknown. If he didn’t know about splitting realities then why he thought that he can kill pregnant Martha when he knows that her older version, Eve already exists. As we know that when young Jonas tried to kill himself, Noah told him that he can’t die because his older self already exists so Adam must have figured out that in case of Martha as well. Having said that according to the last episode we can assume that he didn’t know about splitting timelines as Claudia was one who explained that to him at the end.
Nice, concise presentation Gill, as always. Part which still troubles me is initial saving of Jonas, which we see at the end of season 2. It is presented as Magnus and Franziska recruited her, and then allegedly sent her to save Jonas. But how Adam knows this and why he wants that? Adam we follow, in his past was not saved by Martha, but went into the cellar. We know that Adam whole show is playing the chess putting everybody in certain place to be able to become Adam in order to kill the origin. So, it is not logical that Adam sends Martha to save Jonas. One answer could be that either Eva sent her, which I doubt since Eva bit later splits the timeline by sending Bartosz to prevent her saving Jonas. So, are there two Adams??? Or maybe Claudia sent Martha, but we never seen their relation in the show so I doubt. Another answer could be, I hinted in your previous video, that not only that timeline splits by exploiting quantum entanglement, but actually world splits into two sub-worlds. But again who did that split, since only Eva and Claudia know to exploit quantum entanglement. Maybe Claudia in some point earlier splits the world into two so we have two Adams.
Applying Schrodinger cat thought experiment to unravel this is not so easy, even tough show runners tried to do it at the beginning of ep.7. Crucial moment of Schrodinger cat experiment is observation i.e. opening of the box from the outside of cat's domain. In the show, it is happening from the quantum entanglement which is out of the domain of world where you want to make the split, so I still presume that it is not only splitting of somebody's timeline but actually splitting the world into two sub-worlds. There are also several other interpretations of the Schrodinger cat thought experiment with different hypothesis e.g. whether reality collapses with observation or what if the cat can observe itself... Not only the cat, scientists are also debating what happens with the observer, one theory is that observer also splits and gets permanently entangled with the cat... Even though Schrodinger cat experiment looks simple, it is impossible to conduct it in practice (at least by us, currently being embodied beings, bound by time-space), as the box is actually complete cosmos with us within it, so we can't make the observation. In that way we will never be able to fully understand why and how are so many Marthas there in the show.
I would suggest, if you can make the video and give us your opinion also on the time machines in the series, since there are so many of them - that is second biggest trouble for me. How Adam knows to travel between worlds? From where he got such machine or it can be done with every one? Marta brings him the fuel in 1888 but he still needs many years to make it stable. Is Noah building his own time machine, and whole season 1 & 2 working on his own to find Scharlotte? Did Adam bring Noah from future to 1922, or maybe Eva? God bless🙏
Thanks milosvitin!! Also, great questions - for the first one, I'm thinking:
Adam knows about the alternate world because, as you said, he's visited in 1888 by Alt Martha who shares with middle aged Jonas that young Jonas had been to her world. I'm not sure if we see exactly how much info Alt Martha shared with Jonas at that point but it may be enough for him to piece together that Adam is the one that sent her. In the future then, we don't even need to answer to "why would Adam want to send his younger self to Martha's world" because all he's doing is ensuring that everything repeats exactly in the cycle. He may be playing a game of a chess, but it's a game where he's already seen all the moves and his objective is ensuring that all the moves are repeated exactly. He's doing this to ensure that the past leads to his future and he exists as he is today... and can go on to destroy the knot. So Older Jonas learns that Adam sent Alt Martha to rescue Jonas... Older Jonas grows up to become Adam and sends Alt Martha on the same mission to ensure that this part of the cycle is fulfilled.
The only part which is unclear to me is that Adam wouldn't remember being rescued by Alt Martha. So, you would think he is aware of the time "splitting" effect that occurs, creating two Jonases. So, when Claudia tells him about the "loophole" and says Eva is aware of it, while Adam isn't - what part of it does Adam not know about it? Perhaps, Adam doesn't realize things can be changed in that moment. He may know that the timeline splits into overlapping realities, but he may consider that split as just one more step in the pre-determined cycle. I.e., he doesn't know that things can be changed in that moment.
Lastly, love your point on the time machines! It's an interesting one to think about, I may take your suggestion and put that video together.
@@OneTakeVids I get your point Gill, it certainly explains how Marta is sent by Adam back to 1888, that is anyhow confirmed by Magnus. But issue is still saving Jonas, since Adam actually needs Jonas to go to cellar, that is Adam's past. Marta saving Jonas is a move which may mess his chess game.
Adam actually does not know anything of saving Jonas, which explains why middle aged Jonas is so confused seeing Martha. If Adam is informed by Martha that she saved Jonas, it is still risky for him to decide to change his own past and instead allowing Jonas to go to cellar, to send him to Eva which is unknown scenario to him. He would need to believe on young Martha's word, which I doubt he would do it. Adam doesn't know for the quantum entanglement and how to split timelines, so he can not same time save and not save Jonas. All what Adam knows is from Triquetra book which is written by Unknown, so Eva and Unknown have the upper hand in the chess game. That is why Claudia also tells Adam that he still does not know to play the game. So, Adam failed in-numerous times, while Eva and Unknown were successful in-numerous times in moving Adam all around to finally bring him to kill Eva. All until Claudia became conscious enough to figure all out. (I intentionally use word 'innumerous' instead of 'infinite', but its another subject which we can discuss some other time...).
Remaining options to save Jonas are either Claudia or Eva, but is very unclear how. I tried to think of scenario how Eva sends Martha to save Jonas, and a bit later splits Jonas by sending slightly older Bartosz to stop her. I vaguely thought that in that case number of Martha's may be even more, but my mind is blown totally so needed to stop it. Second option isClaudia, but in that case showrunners would show us at least some trait of Claudia relation with Martha, but they did not. Third option is that there is maybe another Adam who was split by either Claudia or Eva, which again blows my mind. Or show-runners just made a mistake there... So, mystery remains. 🙏
@@milosvitin There is no confusion.... There is Martha in both the worlds, but Jonas originally is only in Adam's world.... So after the reality is split by Eva's action of sending Bartosz and stopping Martha, there are finally 2 versions of Jonas and 3 of Martha (including one Martha who was originally in Adam's world lying dead before Jonas as Adam shoots her before the splitting of realities happens)
Out of these two Jonases, one is later killed by the Martha who didn't save him on Eva's orders (she already had sex in the past before the split happened, with another version of Jonas who was saved and left in her world by the past self of her own alter-ego following Adam's instructions to save Jonas).
It is this Jonas who dies, and the other version not saved runs to cellar, lives to become Adam.
Consider again, the Martha that did not save Jonas, due to Eva's orders to Bartosz to stop her - whose child is she carrying? Jonas, but if her past version didn't save Jonas, how come he ends up in her world to father her child?.... I think this is the reason splitting of reality and both possibilities happen to make this possible and explainable (Schrodinger's 🐈)
The Martha who saves Jonas leaves him in her world and goes to 1888, while the other Martha kills Jonas after their union so that their child is alive.... So both Martha's are useful for Eva's plan (one to bring Jonas to her world who is later killed by Adam, and the other to kill Jonas after the union to stop him from becoming Adam, while unknown to her there is another Jonas who survives in the cellar to become Adam), whereas only one Martha is integral to Adam's plan (or so he thinks).
So Adam doesn't know there is a third Martha, he thinks there are only two and he has killed the two. The original Jonas in Adam's world sees Adam shoot the original Martha (he already sees Martha's grave in his future world) and when he is saved by alt-Martha, has sex with her and gets killed by one version of her.
The other Jonas, who had also witnessed Martha being shot by Adam and moved to cellar, lives to become adult, in 1888 is shocked to see alt-Martha, already pregnant from his other version who was saved, gets the Cesium from her (after which Martha goes to 2053 Adam), stabilizes the God particle, uses Noah to get the missing pages of Triquetra notebook from Claudia, which is authored by the Unknown (his son born in the future) and understands that the Martha who is from another world is the one who gives birth to Unknown, so sends Magnus and Franziska to stop her and save his younger self, which she does but he doesn't remember because he isn't the version who gets saved.
So he realizes about the other world through the book and tries to kill Martha (the version that saves Jonas) and thinks he can end the Unknown and the cycle, but unknown 😅 to him, there is already a Martha who didn't save him, and kills his other reality Jonas and lives on to become Eva.... That's why he is confused that Eva still remains after he kills alt-Martha.... This is what Claudia meant when she said that Adam doesn't know to play the game, and Eva was a step ahead and was using the split of reality to her advantage!!!
Phew! Hope that helps!
Wait wait. I didnt even realize Claudia used the loop hole. I figured she went to tell afam about the origin world before she was killed by noah.
I just dont remember the exact moment where they sent martha to go save jonas. In the videos says this hapoens after she leaves with magnus and fraciska but i dont remember if they actually showed it.
So this got me thinkin tbat this means that when she saved jonas she already knew he was going to get killed by her. Damn.
Great work bro 💪 ! But I also discovered this before you ! Anyways, keep up with your good work ! 💙
Wtf srsly ?
2:47 younger bartoz dress & 2:57 younger bartoz dress both are different. When Older Bartoz 3:01 recruits younger bartoz to stop martha then both his dresses should be same I guess or not??
When the split occurs, what happend to Martha's consciousness, in which body is it present, because you cannot control 2 bodies of yourself, right?
Hi there, thanks for the video. I interpreted Martha's realities exactly like you did. But I have a question: How come Jonas is murdered in both realities of Martha and, despite of this, Adam exists in those 2 realities?
This I answered myself. The orb gives Martha from Eva's world the ability to travel to different realities of Jonas's world. This is how Martha from Eva’s world interacts with the reality of Jonas' world in which she rescues him from the apocalypse and Jonas ends up dying, and she herself also interacts with the reality of Jonas' world in which he becomes Adam.
Congratulations for the video. I just have a question: was the Martha who went to the origin world another Martha?
Thanks PSG! The Martha who went to the origin world is pre-split Martha because the split happens after she is recruited by Magnus and Francisca and Jonas grabs her right as she’s being recruited.
@@OneTakeVids thanks for answer. So, if that Martha was the pre-split, it means the causality in that world was broken and two realities were formed without the need of the apocalypse for stop time, right? Jonas took her before the apocalypse and in that same world old Magnus also took her.
I understood this by drawing diagrams!
Please do the same for Claudia. She also split herself - otherwise I can't explain her being killed by Noah and staying alive till the end, but without that much hints (at least I didn't notice them)
I think I'm taking a quick break from Dark the next couple of days to work on another Better Call Saul-related video, but since a few folks mentioned it, I'll likely tackle this Claudia video next. Quick note on Claudia though - I agree that she split herself. In the final episode, when she tells Adam about the "loophole", she says that she used it too so she could be here now talking to Adam. This is in reply to Adam being surprised to see her alive. So I think it's a pretty safe bet that she did split so she could be killed by Noah (thus fulfilling the cycle) and approach Adam to reveal the true origin.
Could you explain why you think there are two versions of old Claudia, as you say at the end? I believe the last episode shows that Old claudia is about to go visit Egon in 1953, since her younger self tells her to apologise. My understanding was that Claudia first tells Adam how to save everything, then goes back to 1953, and then gets killed, so I assumed that this only happened once (and actually everything in the series only happens once, only that characters perceive it as repeating itself).
I’ve actually changed my mind on this point. Claudia has a line in the final episode where she tells Adam that like Eva, she used the loophole as well. Since “using the loophole” meant splitting Jonas and Martha in two, I assumed it meant the same for Claudia. However, going through the timeline, i no longer think that’s the case. I’m actually working on a detailed Claudia timeline video today and prepping my notes yesterday is how I realized the “splitting Claudia” theory doesn’t really seem to work.
@@OneTakeVids Cool. Looking forward to it!
My theory of everything happening once doesn't make full sense with the characters disintegrating at the end... It would if only Martha and Jonas did, but when Jonas/Adam in the 1900 and middle-age-Martha/Eva disintegrate, that means they don't become their future selves, so it probably menas that there are several cycles.
I always wanted to make some sort of timeline/graph which splits and shows where do characters travel and how everything is connected, but I don't know where to start :P
Wowww!
I believe that infinite number of parallel universes is created whenever an apocalypse occurs. They are created without causes. These newly created universes are not related to any of the worlds in "Dark". The few time timelines mentioned by OneTake are just a few time line segments in these infinite parallel universes.
Why is the scratch on Martha's face first on the right side? Then the left side?
So--question for Gil and/or my fellow Dark commenters: Am I right in thinking that the Martha who will eventually become Eva does not even exist until Eva herself splits the so-called younger Martha into two Martha's; i.e., the Martha who takes Jonas to her world, and the Martha who goes back with Bartolsz (sp?) to Eva's lair, shoots Jonas and eventually grows old to become Eva? If I am right, then that means Eva is essentially creating herself when she splits Martha in two. Bizarre! But is that right, or am I missing something?
Both kinda always existed.
The Martha who saves Jonas makes sure he has sex with her, so that both Jonas and Martha can be born since they are descendants of their son.
The scarred face Martha is the one who actually gives birth to their son/ancestral.
Crystal clear now
cool bro
Does this not imply that it's unnecessary to revert to the origin world, since it already exists in a split reality? Or did they just make a new timeline where the clockmaker's children survived?
Adam RIP
Why didn't Adam and Martha from Eva's world appear together in the scene right after Martha was shot dead?
This is my alternative view:
During an apocalypse, a new reality (space-time / timeline) can be generated by the mind of a time-traveller. After the apocalypse, the new reality and the original reality will merge together and share the same space-time.
4:41 The space-time on the left handside was created by Martha's mind while the space-time on the right handside was created by Bartosz. Bartosz, Martha and Adam could only see what created by their mind during the apocalypse. Jonas only thought about to fix it right in future. He didn't create a new reality when Martha of his world died.
So basically there were 9 Marthas:
- Martha from the first world who dies in Jonas' arms after being shot by Adam in the ending of Season 2.
- Martha from the second world who is wearing the yellow jacket, oblivous to everything, and she diverges into two realities.
- Martha from the second world (first reality) where she is recruited by Adam, and who goes to save Jonas and brings him to the second world. She is later destroyed by Adam.
- Martha from the second world (second reality) where she is recruited by Adam, but goes back with Bartosz instead of saving Jonas. She is scarred by Eva on the face, forced to kill Jonas, and goes on to become the Female Stranger and eventually Eva.
- Martha from the second world (second reality) who has become the Female Stranger and resides in 2052 of the second world. She later becomes Eva.
- Martha from the second world (second reality) who has become Eva and forms Erit Lux to oppose Adam's Sic Mundus. She is later shot and killed by Adam (not shown, but it is stated).
- Martha from the second world who is now aware of everything, but is saved by Jonas before she diverges into two realities. She travels with Jonas to the third world (origin world) and fixes the loop. She and Jonas disappear from existence, alongside many other characters.
- Martha from the second world (second reality) who has become Eva, but instead of being shot by Adam, she realizes that their younger selves have fixed the loop. She embraces Adam and they disappear from existence after the loop is fixed.
- Martha from the second world (second reality) who has become the Female Stranger, but disappears from existence after the loop is fixed (one of the last scenes).
Thats like saying there are billions of you, every second a new one. Why would you do that? Its just confusing.
Eve is just older Alt-Martha, not another Martha, just like Adam isnt another Jonas, but simply old Jonas.
But doesn't Jonas' World split when Martha goes save him and does not go save him? We would have multiple branching-off realities from that moment on... Yet they travel back and forth between Eva's world and Jonas' world as if there were not multiple Jonas' worlds...
Yes. This is never explained and I find it frustrating.
I don't think you got it.... Here the decision of Eva to change an event, i.e, stop Martha from saving Jonas creates two alternate realities, the worlds don't split....
In one reality, Jonas saved by Martha is taken to Eva's world where after sex with Martha, is killed by that version of Martha who doesn't save him.... The other Martha who saves Jonas due to older Magnus and Franziska (sent by Adam) is the one who goes to Adams world in 1888 to meet the Jonas she didn't save, give him the Cesium and gets killed by him later in 2053
The version of Jonas, who isn't saved by Martha is the one who goes to basement in his home, he isn't the one saved and taken to Martha's world where he is killed.... This Jonas is hence confused when he sees the alt-Martha in 1888, he isn't the one who fathered her child, but he goes on to become the Adam who kills the Martha who saved his other version....
Still some confusion: Doesn't that mean there are 2 versions of Bartosz too then? One that meets with Martha and one that doesn't?
The one that didn’t follow Martha probably died in the apocalypse since it was about to happen when Magnus recruited her. And the one that followed her probably ended up working for her and fulfilling his purpose of telling his younger self to go after Martha and stop her. I don’t know if that made any sense but this is DARK we’re taking about b.
Check at 2:50, the Martha that goes with Bartosz have the cut in her left cheek but after travelling with him to meet Eva, she has the cut in the right cheek (4:50). WHY?
Throughout season 3, Eva's world is always displayed as a mirror image so everything on the screen is flipped. For example, I noticed it especially with Jonas' home (Martha's home in the alternate world) where you can see the stairs are on the opposite side of the screen. So, whenever Martha travels between worlds, you can see the scrape on her cheek switch from one side to the other. Jonas' face would also be mirrored but it's less noticeable since he doesn't have a prominent mark like Martha's (though you can notice the trio's lip scar mirrored when they travel between worlds as well). I think this effect is just meant to subtly add to the feeling of being in a different world + it gives viewers one more logistical way to track which world they're in.
@@OneTakeVids And why the cheek's cut change when travelling to the 3rd world as well? Great tip about Jonas face mirrored, have to check if that his is noticeable when they travel to the 3er (original) world.
Dark is like a Picasso Motion Capture Film.
Now the question is... why is Adam so surprised when Claudia tells him about the loophole? He obviously remembers hiding in the basement and surviving the apocalypse... so why send Martha back to that day? What did he expect to accomplish if he didn't know "things can change"?
Because he knew it had to happen to continue the cycle? Without young Jonas going to Eves mirror world, their son wouldnt exist.
This son would cause a lot of shit that needed to happen for Adam to exist in the first place.
But this implies he knew about the mirror world at least and "a second loop" of his and Marthas life...
@@Yatsura2 Yeah, I gather he must have known because he knows their son exists. It just seems so awkward he would know that another alt-Martha can pick up and take another Jonas, but then is surprised when hearing about the loophole.
@@KristoferMN Maybe we discovered a slip-up by the creators XD
@@Yatsura2 Who knows? It actually could be the case XD
I still don't quite understand how Claudia was able to split herself or when that would have happened in her timeline? According to the official website she split sometime between giving Tannhaus the blueprints to build the time machine and visting her past self at the power plant, but that doesn't help me understand how she ended up at the moment the apocalypse happened. I guess maybe she used her time machine to travel 66 years to 2019? And then one version went to 2054 to explain everything to Adam while another version went to 1987 before going to 1954 where she is killed by Noah? If someone can make better since of this than me that would be super helpful.
@@siyargoren so the timeline was both collapsed and not collapsed?
At this point I just threw my hands up and gave up.
IKR?????
But why does the Martha who did not save Jonas, have the cut on her left cheek which she gets while crossing the fence after saving Jonas???
Si like i don’t understand we where following the Jonás who was killed or the one that survived
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Please explain the smaller scar and why it changes sides on Martha’s cheeks even when they are the same Martha explained here. Would have thought the Martha with scar on the right side of her cheek (our left) is one Martha - the one who saves Jonas; and the other one with scar on the left side is the other Martha - the one who did not save Jonas. So far has not seen credible videos on explaining this detail away. This is bugging me so much!
Actually, in the Alternate word everything (including the small scar on Martha’s face) is shown as a mirror image. For example, the stairs in Jonas’ house are on the opposite side of the screen. I think this was an artistic choice to subtly add to the feeling of being in another world + gives the viewers one more cue to know which world they’re in. So, you’ll see the scar on Martha’s face flip flop as she moves back and forth between worlds.
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Thanks, but why isn't Bartosz's timeline split as well?
From episode 7 of season 3 it looks like Bartosz was only with Martha in the one version where he stopped her from saving Jonas. So I would assume in the other version, where she does save Jonas, Bartosz never went to save her and was killed by the Apocalypse.
@@brandonreed09 I warmly thank you for your answer, but one year later, I have no fucking clue what we’re talking about anymore :D
Time to watch the show again :D
Why did you say that name? Martha? Why did you say that name? WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?
Hahahaha how I didn’t already think of this scene I don’t know
@@OneTakeVids 😂😂😜
What I dont get is how Martha can meet younger Martha. You could only travel back in time 33 years if im correct?
With the suitcase time machine and the tunnels, you can only travel in 33 year increments. However, the orb time machine introduced in season 3 appears to allow travel to any time period (Adam’s God Particle in Season 2 in 1921 also allows travel outside the 33 year increments... that’s how Jonas was able to travel to the day before Mikkel hangs himself).
but how can the martha who does not rescue jonas but instead goes with bartosz be pregnant? didnt she have sex with jonas after she rescued him? or did i get something wrong
No, you have it right - both Marthas are already pregnant but its a little confusing because its sort of another boostrap paradox:
1. Alt Martha takes Jonas to her world
2. Jonas impregnates younger Alt Martha (one who has not yet rescued Jonas)
3. Younger Alt Martha splits in two:
-> One version becomes the Alt Martha in step 1 that rescues Jonas and is then killed by Adam
-> One version becomes the Alt Martha that gets scarred and kills Jonas
Mostly right, but no, Claudia didn't require the same loophole to do the things she did. She basically starts working backwards through time, setting things up as she liked, until she sets up her own death to Noah in the 50s. She merely convinces Adam of the origin world's existence before she later gets killed...in the past. But, I can't be certain that's the case, because...
What's interesting to me about the two Jonases and Marthas is that it really shouldn't stop at just the two of them, right? There should be two whole new universes created at that point (and eventually even THREE when Adam goes back and tell Jonas about the origin world). One that still has a Jonas in it after the apocalypse, and one that does not. This was never really fleshed out... And, hmm. How is it, exactly, that Jonas and Martha are able to save the Tannhaus family in the origin world, if they are then erased from existance? Who prevents them from dying? You'd have to assume someone else goes back in time (presumably in the branch we didn't get to see much of), and when Jonas and Martha don't exist this time, the Tannhaus' crash (the clockmaker actually even says someone RAN THEM OFF THE ROAD) setting off the loop again, eventually culminating with Jonas and Martha saving them...again. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense. There can't really be an origin point for infinite loops. Its a paradox that the clockmaker mentions in season 2, explicitly.
There's a lot in your comment so forgive me for being a bit long winded! But anyway, here are my thoughts:
My read on Claudia was initially the same as yours and actually, the official Dark guide on Netflix seems to agree with that read (i.e., that the Claudia who dies is the same Claudia that meets with Adam... she just meets with Adam "before" traveling to her death at Noah's hands). However, I think this is an inaccuracy in the guide. In her conversation with Adam in the finale, she explicitly says she used the same loophole that Eva uses so she could talk to Adam now. This was also in the context of Adam being surprised she is alive after he had her killed. Watching that scene, it's hard for me to read it any way other than "Like Martha, there are now two Claudia's... one who is killed by Noah and one who is here talking to you". This would be further backed up by her explanation that cause and effect is only broken in that moment during the apocalypse. So, if Claudia were deviating from the cycle (and talking to Adam, according to her is a deviation), she must have done so in the moment time stands still. From Jonas and Martha, it appears that any time you deviate in that moment, it has the splitting effect. So, I'm definitely open to alternative explanations but my current read is that Claudia does get split.
Regarding the additional universes created, I wouldn't necessarily think of them as entirely new universes. Tannhaus explains the "overlapping realities" at the beginning of episode 7 with the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment. His explanation is played over a split screen of the two Marthas going two different directions. With Schrodinger's Cat, the cat exists in two simultaneous states: dead and alive. These can be thought of as "overlapping realities" existing in the same space. I wouldn't necessarily think of that as two new universes. So, the dead Jonas and living Jonas can both physically exist in the space of the two worlds we witness (i.e., Eva and Adam's worlds). So, I agree that Adam's intervention does create a "third" reality but my thinking is they all exist in the same physical space "overlapping" (just as the living and dead cat exist in the same box).
Ultimately, regarding Jonas and Martha saving Tannhaus' family, it is a sort of paradox but I think they get away with it in Dark by using the "loophole". How can Jonas and Martha save Tannhaus' family if they don't exist? Well one iteration of Jonas and Martha did temporarily spring into existence and save his family thanks to the loophole. In the moment time stood still, "the rules of cause and effect" breakdown... so Jonas and Martha, can physically impact the origin world and simultaneously wipe themselves from existence. It's a bit hand wavy but I think the vague explanation of "causes and effect" breaking down allows for this sort of thing.
@@OneTakeVids Thanks for the responce. Yeah, I'll conceed that there isn't really a way for us to tell if there are two Claudias or just the one jumping all around time, or which is from where. Now, why should Adam be surprised is weird no matter the reason. Its time travel. People you saw die do things all the time, most especially Claudia. I think its just that it wasn't in the book. That's what was surprising to him. This IS the end of the alternate-worlds loop, and is "new" to this almost-infinite loop that Claudia and Eve and Adam have been crawling toward. I didn't remember her explicitly saying she used the pause is time to talk with Adam at that point, but if she did...then yeah, maybe this IS a different Claudia than the one that eventually gets a shotgun in the 50s.
But I'm saying that there should be two Claudias regardless. It doesn't make any sense that ONLY two Marthas and Jonases are created when Martha either does or doesn't "rescue" Jonas. For instance, there is a Bartaz that either does or doesn't convince Martha to not enter the house where Jonas is. It applies to everyone. There is a post-apocalypse world with Jonas in it, and another without, as he gets brought to Eve's side and eventually is murdered. Yes, Schodinger's cat applies. But the cat isn't just Jonas and Martha. Its an entire world. What you haven't touched on is...which "Schodinger World" versions are brought to the origin world. Think about it. The Martha is the Martha that did not go into the house to save Jonas, and eventually becomes Eve. ...but what Jonas is it? Its not the Jonas that would eventually get killed in Eve's world, because he isn't spirited away by Martha. Is it the Jonas that would have otherwise run into the basement and survived the apocolypse? Well, if it is, he's influenced by the Adam from the other version of the box! He just murdered Martha a second time, after all: the Martha that DID give the sphere to Jonas. So really, three Marthas and Jonases. Pretty wild.
Now in your other video about the finale you dismiss the weird shiny bridge scene as a mystical weird thing that happened. Well, yeah, and if it wasn't for Martha later saying she remembered seeing Jonas in her closet, I'd maybe agree with you, but I'm giving the writers the benefit of the doubt. That Martha can remember that occurance really heavily implies these actions are ALSO a part of a loop. This has happened before (not as many times as all of the other events we've watched over the past 3 seasons, but still an infinite loop). Afterall, if this only happens once, the Tannhaus family is rescued from a car crash by two dream people. That doesn't really make sense. That crash HAS to have happened at some point in order for it to be, eventually, prevented. There are loops upon loops. An inner loop that we viewed in the first 27 episodes, and an outer loop that brings the inner loop in and out of existance as the Tannhaus's either crash, or are eventually saved by Jonas/Martha.
I have a doubt, so if the Jonas who was rescued by Martha, who was working for Adam, eventually dies. So, Adam is the Jonas who was not rescued by Martha, then why does he send Martha to rescue him. We all know that he wants the cycle to go as it is, until the very end. If he was never saved by Martha and he doesn't know about the concept of overlapping realities (which is the point of last episode), why would he send her to save him and bring him to his world.
I also think that the point of alt Martha killing one Jonas is so that Adam doesn't find out about two Jonases and hence the split. So, is this a loophole in the show?
Mayank Mishra that’s what I wanted to know as well. When did Adam know about the splitting realities when he is the one who never travelled to Eva’s world and got saved from Apocalypse by hiding in the bunker so how did he know he has to send alt Martha to save him 🤯🤯
@@saritamaharjan5593 Okay so I know the answer to this,
Actually this video is incorrect, Adam isn't the one who sends Martha back to save Jonas. Eve sends Martha to save Jonas.
Remember the scene where young Jonas is killed by gun shot? There is a scarred Martha who commits the killing, and the other Martha who came with him who looks on in shock. The Martha who looks on in shock is later sent back by Eve to save Jonas from the apocalypse.
Adam/Jonas knows about the split timeline because Martha travels back to 1888 and tells them about it. Adam orders Magnus and Francesca to recruit alt Martha, who is already pregnant with the unknown, to save Jonas so she can bring him to the alt world to meet her younger self so she could conceive the unknown. After she brings Jonas to the alt world, Martha goes back to 1888 (original timeline) so she can tell them Jonas about the other world and give them the cesium from her orb (in which Jonas uses to complete his time machine and transforms into Adam about 33 years later) She then travels to 2053 and Adam kills her and the unborn unknown. This is what always needed to happen in this time line.
@@anonymoose3350 This video is very correct. See my comment above. Adam has Martha save Jonas.
Eva (knowing there is a loop hole) sends Bartosz to stop the same Martha from saving Jonas. Both scenarios play out at the same time.
@@Bull_Moose23 So Adam knew about the time loophole? Why then, is he so surprised when Claudia explains it to him in the last episode?
Further, if Adam is intent on destroying the Unknown, he would never have sent Martha to save Jonas, because Martha saving Jonas is exactly what leads to Jonas impregnating Martha and the Unknown being created.
If you still think Adam knows about the split time-line, look at Season 3 Episode 8 at around the 20:35 mark. That proves beyond a doubt that *Adam does not know about the split timeline*.
the reasons adam sends martha to save one jonas when adam is the other jonas: jonas needs to be alive to father the unknown in order for adam to kill it, and martha needs to give stranger!jonas the caesium in 1888. adam therefore instructs her to fulfill both of these things before coming back to him in 2053 where he can kill her.
I think that’s spot-on
If Adam did indeed send Martha back save Jonas, that'd mean he knows about the time-stop loophole. But we know that he doesn't, because he's really surprised when Caludia tells him about it later.
Eve is the person who sends Martha to save Jonas from the apocalypse.
@Anony Moose you make a good point about adam not knowing about the time-stop, but i think that may be oversight on the writers' part (blasphemy i know).
after jonas' death, martha goes home, cuts her hair, goes to bartosz, and then gets picked up by magnus and franziska. she has no interactions with eva between jonas' death and that point (iirc she doesn't have a time machine of her own at that stage). we don't see when magnus & franziska take her but they definitely work for adam. martha then arrives without them in jonas' world at the moment of the time-stop split. bartosz arriving is eva's input to the situation, creating the double versions (bartosz is definitely working for eva, like his future self). the martha who is not interrupted by bartosz (s2 finale martha) is still operating under the (false) promise that adam gave her off-screen. we don't see it happen but we hear in 3.6 when martha is captive that adam promised her "that there would be a way to change everything, so the apocalypse won't happen".
i don't have a good explanation for adam not realising there must be two jonases tho, other than the writers getting a wire crossed :(
I still don't understand how Martha what's the key to it is she was a legit child or basically they're saying katharina and ulrich kids we're never supposed to exist because in the main original World they were not even together but and the two split worlds they had children that shouldn't have existed Magnus Martha and mikkel
I have a question: Why is there no Martha from Jonas' world who never got killed by Adam and lives happily with Jonas?
Because Adam killed her before the Apocalypse, before time stopped briefly.
The like to dislike ratio tho
I'm still confused on how/when did the scar move from under right eye to under her left?
All scenes in the alternate world are actually displayed to us as a mirror image, meaning everything on screen is flipped. For example, when Jonas goes to Martha’s world and visits what should be his home. The home is near identical to the one on his world, but to us, it looks like the stairs are on the opposite side of the screen. So, a side effect of this is you’ll notice Martha’s scratch under her eye for example flip from one side of her face to the other depending on which world she’s in. You’ll notice the same with the Trio when they move between worlds.
OneTake thanks for explaining that! This show had my mind reeling and the last sequence of the final ep had me all in my emotions
@@OneTakeVids that doesnt make sense or the makeup team dropped the ball on that, because the martha that bartosz take to the power plant with the bike haves one on the right side, while the martha that jonas take in the same moment on the final episode haves one on the left, and they are in the same world
It's because Eva's world and Adam's world are mirrors, you certainly noticed the houses and the bunker were mirrored too
3:36 so the right Martha saves the jonas the left Martha then kills, ok
Bro why magnus and franziska came to eva's world to pick martha
There's two Marthas: one who saves Jonas and one who doesn't.
The one who saves Jonas gets pregnant and the other one doesn't, right?
Adam doesn't know that splitting is possible so if it's the other Martha, who he doesn't know exists, that got pregnant, why does he kill the martha that doesn't save Jonas? She shouldn't be pregnant, right??
Or did they sleep together before she split into two Marthas??
They slept together before she split actually! It’s been a while since I watched it but the basics were:
1. They sleep together
2. Jonas gets killed
3. Martha teams up with Bartosz to head to the nuclear plant
4. They got stopped on the way - Older Magnus and Franziska recruit her
5. Magnus and Franziska send Martha to rescue Jonas
6. Martha splits .... one version saves Jonas, one version doesn’t
@@OneTakeVids thanks! It's clearer now :D
Marthas scars from your explanation doesnt match. The martha that bartosz took with the ball have a horizontal scar on the left side of the face, while the martha that bartosz take to eva have one horizontal scar on the right side of the face. The one that jonas take in the last episode is the one with the scar on the left side, what doesnt make sense, because the one that bartosz gives a ride have a scar on the right side. idk how to explain that
The Alt word actually reverses everything on screen like a mirror image. So, when Martha travels between worlds, the scratch under her eye will flip flop as does everything on the screen. It’s just more noticeable with the scar. Another good example is Jonas’ house - in the Alt world, you’ll notice the stairs are on the opposite side of the screen.
can someone answer my question?
about the split reality, is adam world split into 2 reality too? the world reality without jonas because martha take jonas to eva world and the world reality with jonas (adam) because martha not helping on apocalypse..
if that true... how can martha jump into different reality?... after helping jonas and take him to eva world, how can she jump into different reality to met adam on 2053? that's means martha jump from the reality without jonas to the reailty with jonas..
if the adam world didn't split, it doesn't make any sense how can martha and jonas reality split and the universe not
please answer sorry for my bad english bcs english is not my 1st language
proof that martha can jump into another reality is jonas on 1888 didn't remember everything abt eva world bcs he never visit that world.. and jonas didn't believe on martha story too
I'll try to explain based on my understanding! When Eva's world splits... it does not exactly split into two separate realities. It creates two OVERLAPPING realities. Meaning, there are now two Marthas and two Jonases because at the loophole moment... Martha both rescued Jonas and did not rescue Jonas. So, there are still just two worlds (not counting the origin world): Eva's world and Adam's world. However, now there are two Jonases and two Marthas that can travel between both these worlds. Hopefully that makes sense!
@@OneTakeVids wow such a great explanation, thankyou !
actually i did not understand why adam ordered martha to save jonas
Edit: adam ordered because he learnt that from claudia's book
Actually Adam didn't order Martha to save Jonas.
Eve does that.
Adam ordering her to save Jonas would imply that he knows about the time loophole. But we know he doesnt.
At 2:11, Adam tells Martha to travel to 1888 to give Stranger Jonas the dark matter.
Adam couldn't have ordered her to save Jonas from the apocalypse
@@anonymoose3350 no, Adam sends Franziska and Magnus to convince Martha to save Jonas(don't know why) and Eva sends Bartosz to stop her.
Great video! 💓 If there is any more confusion regarding the motivations of different versions of Jonas and Martha in the third season, I hope the explanation below will sound satisfying!
There is Martha in both the worlds, but Jonas originally is only in Adam's world.... So after the reality is split by Eva's action of sending Bartosz and stopping Martha, there are finally 2 versions of Jonas and 3 of Martha (including one Martha who was originally in Adam's world lying dead before Jonas as Adam shoots her before the splitting of realities happens)
Out of these two Jonases, one is later killed by the Martha who didn't save him on Eva's orders (she already had sex in the past before the split happened, with another version of Jonas who was saved and left in her world by the past self of her own alter-ego following Adam's instructions to save Jonas).
It is this Jonas who dies, and the other version not saved runs to cellar, lives to become Adam.
Consider again, the Martha that did not save Jonas, due to Eva's orders to Bartosz to stop her - whose child is she carrying? Jonas, but if her past version didn't save Jonas, how come he ends up in her world to father her child?.... I think this is the reason splitting of reality and both possibilities happen to make this possible and explainable (Schrodinger's 🐈)
The Martha who saves Jonas leaves him in her world and goes to 1888, while the other Martha kills Jonas after their union so that their child is alive.... So both Martha's are useful for Eva's plan (one to bring Jonas to her world who is later killed by Adam, and the other to kill Jonas after the union to stop him from becoming Adam, while unknown to her there is another Jonas who survives in the cellar to become Adam), whereas only one Martha is integral to Adam's plan (or so he thinks).
So Adam doesn't know there is a third Martha, he thinks there are only two and he has killed the two. The original Jonas in Adam's world sees Adam shoot the original Martha (he already sees Martha's grave in his future world) and when he is saved by alt-Martha, has sex with her and gets killed by one version of her.
The other Jonas, who had also witnessed Martha being shot by Adam and moved to cellar, lives to become adult, in 1888 is shocked to see alt-Martha, already pregnant from his other version who was saved, gets the Cesium from her (after which Martha goes to 2053 Adam), stabilizes the God particle, uses Noah to get the missing pages of Triquetra notebook from Claudia, which is authored by the Unknown (his son born in the future) and understands that the Martha who is from another world is the one who gives birth to Unknown, so sends Magnus and Franziska to stop her and save his younger self, which she does but he doesn't remember because he isn't the version who gets saved.
So he realizes about the other world through the book and tries to kill Martha (the version that saves Jonas) and thinks he can end the Unknown and the cycle, but unknown 😅 to him, there is already a Martha who didn't save him, and kills his other reality Jonas and lives on to become Eva.... That's why he is confused that Eva still remains after he kills alt-Martha.... This is what Claudia meant when she said that Adam doesn't know to play the game, and Eva was a step ahead and was using the split of reality to her advantage!!!
Phew! Hope that helps!
@@siyargoren
It's been more than 1.5 yrs and I don't even remember what I had written lol.... 😂😅
So give me some time!
I am pretty sure I had every little detail sorted in my mind when I first watched the series when it released and wrote the above comment....
How is it possible that the slightly younger Raincoat-Martha exists if timetravel is only possible for a period of 33 years but not for just a few days?
I believe that in season 3, with time travel technology now quite advanced, they are no longer restricted by the 33 year limitation. Think about season 2, when Jonas travels to the night before Mikkel’s suicide... this was not an increment of 33 (was slightly more than 33) but was allowed by Adam’s god particle. So, when I say the tech is now advanced enough now ... really I mean that Adam and Eva had the advanced tech already which they are now using and have Jonas / Martha use (Martha’s little time travel ball seems to be much more advanced that Jonas’ old time machine).
So it means Adam's world where Jonas dies and Eva's world where Martha dies goes to waste? One world out of 2 is wasted each time, no?