Set a metronome at 110bpm. That's the second tempo that the drummer plays which is a 4/4 beat. If you then play 16th notes at 110bpm and accents every third note you are counting the quarter notes in 5/4 which is the first tempo that the guitar player starts the song with. If your familiar with polyrhythms it's 4:3 but instead of counting to 4 you count to 5. The tricky part is that you have to count to five 15 times (bars) before you land on the 1st beat again. Hope this makes sense. :
yea it does.. but how do you count to 15 in 4/5:3 without hitting 1 logically that that would require some mad accenting by ulternaing from 5 to 4 and missing the 1 on both hands till 15?
And that's pretty much why their drummer just killed it when he joined Obscura ("Multiple tempo changes in Prog Metal? I thought this was a challenge!")
What's funny is I just listened to their new 2016 record today and it's awesome!! Then I found this comment.. Found these guys after listening to son t.r.a.m and looking up similar artist
I'm not sure I've ever heard that, but I remember watching Mission Impossible in a theater, and how pissed I was when the theme song went into 4, so yeah, I feel ya.
Before I type my comment I want to say....Awesome! Now having said that Fusion became big in the late 60's and into the 70's and 80's this reminds me a lot of Chick Corea's work and Miles Davis in his Fusion days. Not saying it's not good, because it really is.
First time I've seen these guys. "Threatening Music Notation" Twitter account brought me here. Blown away! I'm picking up Brecker Brothers vibes, which isn't too surprising given that one of their albums was called Heavy Metal Be-bop :)
Jakob Riedle in 4/4 time, there are 4 quarter notes in a measure. a measure of quater notes would be counted as: one, two, three, four. the first four indicates the amount of notes in a given time while the bottom four represents the type of note. since multiple time signatures are being played here, they overlap and are difficult to follow, but that’s what bradiporitmico explained here. he wrote the mix of the time signatures. hopefully that made sense; it made sense to me, but it’s also 2am
Awesome stuff there, men, you guys are freaking and fucking awesome! And I thought 5/4 was enough to get my ears a little messy. Wunderbar, abgefan sheiß, Mann! Freundliche grüßen von Brasilien.
Nor Akmal Saiman all i know is that pretty much all of theme are in different time signatures, or in the same, just displacing a quarter note or an eighth note.
Listen to it twice in a row. First time: listen only to the rythm guitar, (which is the instrument that starts the song) and count one two three four five in quarter notes. Second time:listen only to the drum beat, and count one two three four. Its very confusing, theyre playing 2 diffrent time signitures.
I'll just take his word without comprehending the technicalities. But I'll also state that I like it better without the solos; they sound to me as a mandatory requirement that restrain the freedom of free form jazz turning it into regulation compliant free form jazz. It's my humble and ignorant opinion based on my personal taste.
Fair but what you gotta realize is that musicians like soloing... It's when we can feel the free-est, just letting ADD ideas free flow out. Modern jazz and bop really is just a vehicle to allow musicians to solo (read: make up melodies). So, I think it sounds constricted because we need to force the song to accommodate each person getting a turn. And then there's avant garde, "free form" which... Doesn't...
So The melody is in 5/4 like the song is written, but the drummer is playing 15/16? That's the only way I could count it. It isn't that the whole song. I don't think. I don't know. This shit is weird. It's so nerdy.
Yes, it is nerdy, and I'm a huge nerd. Here's the thing, swing is usually subdivided into triplets (3 subs-per beat) to get the swung 8th-note effect (playing 8ths on first and last of the 3 subs). Then, each measure of "Take 5" has 5 beats, each of which are subbed into triplets, leaving a total of ( 5 x 3 = ) 15 subdivisions per measure. THEN, Take 5 has total sectional phrases of 4 bars, so there's ( 15 x 4 = ) 60 subs per section. The drummer, when playing the "4/4-sounding-rock-groove," has each of his main beats (Kick OR Snare) landing on every 4 subdivisions, rather than 3 like the swung beats of "Take 5". Since the whole "Take 5" section lasts 4 measures, the total number of subs-per-section (60) is divisible by 4. So, when the drummer plays these new groupings of 4, there are a total of 15 groupings in the whole section. If you feel the new beats more strongly than the old ones (like myself), you might notate each section as a whole measure of 15/4 with each beat being subdivided into 16th-notes, for a total of 60 subs, then the whole "Take 5" part would be really syncopated within that structure. If you wanted to instead, you could have the "Take 5" pattern establish the main meter of 5/4 subdivided into triplets; this would cut down the length of each measure but the drum part would be quite syncopated and spill over the barline. None of these things are necessarily negative, but you have to make choices like this when notating polymeter. Mind you, this is just a regrouping of the same subdivisions that are going by at the same pace; everything falls along this same grid. This also means the new beats form a 3-over-4 polyrhythm with the old beats (new-over-old).
Swing isn't really supposed to subdivide into triplets (at least in jazz). That's the squaresville way to swing. It's "swinging" sure, but you ain't swaaangin' with those triplets.
True, Wes, you're absolutely right. Many tunes are played with a less, or sometimes even more drastic shifting of the second eighth note. "Latin Swing" is sort of like a less drastic lilt in the subdivisions somewhat like "Dilla eighths" from hip hop but just with faster pulses. However, they are defintely using Squaresville swing in this video. You listen to the Take 5 chord comping in the intro at 0:50 and you can definitely hear those up beats fall along the "third triplet" placements. It becomes even more obvious at 0:58 when the ride cymbal and guitar start emphasizing the quarter notes; tap out triplets on your desk/leg/anywhere and you can feel the upbeats landing on that last triplet before the following quarter note. Despite any ambiguity about how the swing upbeats are positioned, you can still see how 15 steady drum beats of the main groove are overlaid in the same space as every 4 measures of the Take 5 head, making the new beats form a 3-over-4 poly when juxtaposed with the old Take 5 quarter notes. Damn I need to get a life haha.
les thematiques sont chouettes et hyper travaillé, par contre les impros ensuite, c'est un peu le boeuf, ya juste " rien de special", dommage qu'ils aient pas poussé le truc a ce niveau aussi
Set a metronome at 110bpm. That's the second tempo that the drummer plays which is a 4/4 beat. If you then play 16th notes at 110bpm and accents every third note you are counting the quarter notes in 5/4 which is the first tempo that the guitar player starts the song with.
If your familiar with polyrhythms it's 4:3 but instead of counting to 4 you count to 5. The tricky part is that you have to count to five 15 times (bars) before you land on the 1st beat again. Hope this makes sense. :
*kaboom* - My brain
Yeah. It doesn't. To me that's not very musical. It's technical OTT maybe? Going to bed now, sobering up...
yea it does.. but how do you count to 15 in 4/5:3 without hitting 1 logically that that would require some mad accenting by ulternaing from 5 to 4 and missing the 1 on both hands till 15?
thank you
Errr... obvs!
Holy crap these guys are absolutely top-notch musicians. I didn't see that coming
Thanks, Adam Neely
In which video of his did he recommend this band? plsss
@@GuichoSax It was during 'What are "Nested Tuplets?" | Q+A', which I just came from! ua-cam.com/video/0CX4cQvb7hE/v-deo.html
... and that's like on of their "easy" tunes :D
And that's pretty much why their drummer just killed it when he joined Obscura ("Multiple tempo changes in Prog Metal? I thought this was a challenge!")
I love metal, i love jazz ...
Let mix them = mind blow
Sebastian‘s soloing approach is so much fun to watch. Melodic jazz phrasing with metal power and precision. What an awesome band!!!!
die Jungs sind einfach genial......Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny
Dare I say it smells... funky?
This band is wickedly cool and unique. And also very skilled at their respective instruments. I love it.
I wish I could give another thumbs up for the great sound quality of this mix too !
Thank you! Credits to Jan Zehrfeld, Stefan Ettinger, Josy Friebel.
This is criminally good!
Thank you Obscura, for leading me to this :3
Lol you too? Soo psyched for new obscura man.
murdakah Yep, still curious to see the new guitarist too.
What's funny is I just listened to their new 2016 record today and it's awesome!! Then I found this comment.. Found these guys after listening to son t.r.a.m and looking up similar artist
+christopherjm21 some t.r.a.m
they jazz metal too?
This is fucking with my brain so much........ In a good way
It hurts SO FUCKING GOOD! NRRRRRAAAAAAGH!
only 5832 views :-O
this must be very good jazz music :-D
Great performance...thanks for share it...blessings
Damn.. The talent in this band is very impressive. All very capable musicians. Love it! Reminds me of the old days of Mr. Bungle =D
yes like very talented cosmetic surgeons who put third breast on woman freak show
Thanks Adam Neely! This is awesome!
Esto es fenomenal. Gran grupo Panzerballet.
I hate it when bands castrate Take Five by playing it in 4. Panzerballet, on the other hand...
Lol, castrate? More like cripple.
I'm not sure I've ever heard that, but I remember watching Mission Impossible in a theater, and how pissed I was when the theme song went into 4, so yeah, I feel ya.
yes it sounds like a bucket of shit. why destroy another artist's song? I guess somebody thinks they are clever- and can not write their own music.
As a pro drummer i say , you dont got it my friend .
@@snoolee7950 Sounds like you'd be better off listening to Britney Spears - get lost.
The triplet 1/8 note of the 5/4 time signature is simultaneously the 1/16 note beat of the 4/4 time signature.
Hello guys! it was a great pleasure to see you at Baja Prog Festival 2013, Mexicali, Mexico.
This is way beyond awesome
Great interpretation of a classic.
Great taken the song and made it their own,that's the go! Oh and done fantastic things with it! Pentatonic hardcore,and drum bass X fusion love it.
No matter how often I hear that: Wow! I would take song with me to the lonely island!
OMG THIS IS AMAZING.
Very Zappa-like, love it!!
This is so amazing!
sin palabras!!! espectacular!!!!
Великолепный саунд дизайн!!!! Ребята ваще положили на гармонию!!!)) В лучших традициях Кинг Кримсон!!!
Free Jazz: Jeder macht, was er will, keiner macht, was er soll, aber alle machen mit :-P
Well I'm experiencing this right now! And it is Heavenly in expression and opens new angles in the take away of ordinary composition.
Finally someone explains how to sound Zappaesque
YES! :)
WIE GEIL SIND DIE DENN !!!!!!
Before I type my comment I want to say....Awesome! Now having said that Fusion became big in the late 60's and into the 70's and 80's this reminds me a lot of Chick Corea's work and Miles Davis in his Fusion days. Not saying it's not good, because it really is.
Absolutely crazy..
RIP Dave Brubeck -_-
I laughed so hard!
You know this Band 😊✌🏻💪🏻
excelent!!!!
Panzerballett rules!!!!
Now this are hard times
Magic
First time I've seen these guys. "Threatening Music Notation" Twitter account brought me here. Blown away! I'm picking up Brecker Brothers vibes, which isn't too surprising given that one of their albums was called Heavy Metal Be-bop :)
one two five four one two seven one one three eight seven thirteen
What do these refer to?
Jakob Riedle in 4/4 time, there are 4 quarter notes in a measure. a measure of quater notes would be counted as: one, two, three, four. the first four indicates the amount of notes in a given time while the bottom four represents the type of note. since multiple time signatures are being played here, they overlap and are difficult to follow, but that’s what bradiporitmico explained here. he wrote the mix of the time signatures. hopefully that made sense; it made sense to me, but it’s also 2am
Nobody is gonna phone you, sorry.
How the f does the drummer do this without his head exploding in a wet mist like that scene from Scanners
Geiler Sound, geile Produktion. Zum abspritzen geil ;-).
Freaking Psychos terribly talented and psychotic. Thank you for amazing music. God bless
Let's go!
Awesome stuff there, men, you guys are freaking and fucking awesome! And I thought 5/4 was enough to get my ears a little messy.
Wunderbar, abgefan sheiß, Mann! Freundliche grüßen von Brasilien.
best band ever!!
anyone notice that the at 7:30 the drummer is playing 3/4 on ride and high hat.... like wat?????
well, i love Rock n Roll, Blues ,Metall,Jazz,Rockabilly and Hillybily. This is a mix of Jazz and Metall. Interesting.
Ich mag dass!!!
awesome :)
sick. in a GREAT WAY !
The end of time has become even closer
Is it in the right time?
IHR GEILEN.
Take fouive
in what timesignature do we play? cocaine!
You are the best at the moment guys but don't take it as compliment.Just continue in the same way......!
holy sh*t
yeah exactly my reaction
super!!!
Zlatan plays drums ?
Ye, Sebastian is the Zlatan of drums
@@LeeNashMusic I'd like to think Sebastian is a bit more level headed compared to Zlatan!
Can someone teach me how to count the beat?
Nor Akmal Saiman all i know is that pretty much all of theme are in different time signatures, or in the same, just displacing a quarter note or an eighth note.
Listen to it twice in a row.
First time: listen only to the rythm guitar, (which is the instrument that starts the song) and count one two three four five in quarter notes.
Second time:listen only to the drum beat, and count one two three four. Its very confusing, theyre playing 2 diffrent time signitures.
Gods
wow this caught me off guard - really impressive !
Fuckin sweet
I'll just take his word without comprehending the technicalities. But I'll also state that I like it better without the solos; they sound to me as a mandatory requirement that restrain the freedom of free form jazz turning it into regulation compliant free form jazz. It's my humble and ignorant opinion based on my personal taste.
Fair but what you gotta realize is that musicians like soloing... It's when we can feel the free-est, just letting ADD ideas free flow out. Modern jazz and bop really is just a vehicle to allow musicians to solo (read: make up melodies).
So, I think it sounds constricted because we need to force the song to accommodate each person getting a turn. And then there's avant garde, "free form" which... Doesn't...
best as always, good luck Panzerballet! Greetings from Ukraine!
What is the time signiture of the sax solo?
♥️
That drum solo tho
Fake Five rules. Looking forward to the DVD, Professor Dude.
Brian
Nice
*indistinguishable German* “jazz” *more indistinguishable German* “jazz” *an extra heaping helping of indistinguishable German* “take 5” *a tasty desert of indistinguishable German* “Jazz”
nowy King Crimson?
Geil!!!
Meshugga had to hold a 9 hour class to show people how to headbang to this.
Just headbang to the hi hat lol
Dat drum solo.
hear fulano from chile
Soy chileno y nunca había oído algo sobre ellos xD Se ven interesantes.
I know them, and they are great, just as the follow-up project MEDIA BANDA!!!
Delicious!
0:50
Something went terribly wrong with the synchronization of the drum tracks in Logic Pro ;-)
BASS!
Nasıl bu kadar havalı olabiliyorlar ya
Some people got it, others were confused.
Thanks Adam Neely, now I am a fan of whatever the fuck this is.
Man reiche mir den Taschenrechner. Ich möchte Musikhören.
Take four
So The melody is in 5/4 like the song is written, but the drummer is playing 15/16? That's the only way I could count it. It isn't that the whole song. I don't think. I don't know. This shit is weird. It's so nerdy.
Yes, it is nerdy, and I'm a huge nerd.
Here's the thing, swing is usually subdivided into triplets (3 subs-per beat) to get the swung 8th-note effect (playing 8ths on first and last of the 3 subs). Then, each measure of "Take 5" has 5 beats, each of which are subbed into triplets, leaving a total of ( 5 x 3 = ) 15 subdivisions per measure. THEN, Take 5 has total sectional phrases of 4 bars, so there's ( 15 x 4 = ) 60 subs per section.
The drummer, when playing the "4/4-sounding-rock-groove," has each of his main beats (Kick OR Snare) landing on every 4 subdivisions, rather than 3 like the swung beats of "Take 5". Since the whole "Take 5" section lasts 4 measures, the total number of subs-per-section (60) is divisible by 4. So, when the drummer plays these new groupings of 4, there are a total of 15 groupings in the whole section. If you feel the new beats more strongly than the old ones (like myself), you might notate each section as a whole measure of 15/4 with each beat being subdivided into 16th-notes, for a total of 60 subs, then the whole "Take 5" part would be really syncopated within that structure. If you wanted to instead, you could have the "Take 5" pattern establish the main meter of 5/4 subdivided into triplets; this would cut down the length of each measure but the drum part would be quite syncopated and spill over the barline. None of these things are necessarily negative, but you have to make choices like this when notating polymeter.
Mind you, this is just a regrouping of the same subdivisions that are going by at the same pace; everything falls along this same grid. This also means the new beats form a 3-over-4 polyrhythm with the old beats (new-over-old).
Swing isn't really supposed to subdivide into triplets (at least in jazz). That's the squaresville way to swing. It's "swinging" sure, but you ain't swaaangin' with those triplets.
True, Wes, you're absolutely right. Many tunes are played with a less, or sometimes even more drastic shifting of the second eighth note. "Latin Swing" is sort of like a less drastic lilt in the subdivisions somewhat like "Dilla eighths" from hip hop but just with faster pulses.
However, they are defintely using Squaresville swing in this video. You listen to the Take 5 chord comping in the intro at 0:50 and you can definitely hear those up beats fall along the "third triplet" placements. It becomes even more obvious at 0:58 when the ride cymbal and guitar start emphasizing the quarter notes; tap out triplets on your desk/leg/anywhere and you can feel the upbeats landing on that last triplet before the following quarter note.
Despite any ambiguity about how the swing upbeats are positioned, you can still see how 15 steady drum beats of the main groove are overlaid in the same space as every 4 measures of the Take 5 head, making the new beats form a 3-over-4 poly when juxtaposed with the old Take 5 quarter notes.
Damn I need to get a life haha.
My foot was either at 4/4 or 3/4 for some of this. 3/4 around the 6:40 mark
@@OysterWallace Well.. yea .. i understand this... NOT!
u are in 7, not in a break!
danke schön
I think the guitars play in a very "swingy" 5/4, as the original piece and the drums plays 4/4. I can't really count it, also. D=
It's like a polyrhythm of 5:4, so it'll be hard to count
Reminds me to Utopianisti
YYYYEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
les thematiques sont chouettes et hyper travaillé, par contre les impros ensuite, c'est un peu le boeuf, ya juste " rien de special", dommage qu'ils aient pas poussé le truc a ce niveau aussi
Das ist ja abartig gut! - wie genial seid ihr denn drauf? ein livelong JAZZROCK Lover
Zappa Vibes
Polymetric grooves.