Hey Marty love your work! Was wondering if you could do a video for the rectifier and final connection, it would be nice to have a step by step right through the batteries and to inverter. I and am sure many others would greatly appreciate it thanks!
Nice, sounds like it has potential. See if you can pick up some cheap used irrigation pipe, buying new can be very costly, especially if you go for 3 or 4 inch. What wil your pipe length be? If you like I can send you a spreadsheet calculator so you can work out pipe diameter, jet size, pelton diameter etc for maximum efficiency.
Now you just need to show how the bridge rectifiers connect to this to turn the 3-phase AC into DC to charge batteries. Some hints on what to use to regulate the battery charge (to avoid overcharging which can destroy lead-acid cells) would also be useful. Thanks for this video anyway. It's useful information.
Thanks Nelson . I have tried to find a practical instruction for this wiring mod. I had seen diagrams. But I wanted to SEE IT. You WON. I HAVE IT NOW :) :)
Hi there, good work. Thought I would mention that the copper bridge you mentioned is actually brass and it would pay to remove it and sandpaper it clean as I have seen many which corrode to make a poor connection and eventually no connection at all. Hope this helps Cheers :)
I want to rewire mine 7 phase 1x6c, I see a diagram on backshed, but it only shows how to do the first phase, I'm confused about what to do with like the second coil , do all the stars in each phase get attached together? I sure could use some professional advice.
Hey Marty, absolutely loving your channel. Couldn't you just have used motorcycle regulator rectifiers to prevent the need to rewire the stator? They're about $10 on Aliexpress.
Yeah, any further info from you would be awesome. I'm still not sure about pipe length. Whatever I can get/afford to make the thing spin like crazy I guess? I'd say a couple hundred metres at about 1:4 would give me 50m head. I see your demo is star config, but delta is shown to produce more low rpm power. Any experience with rewiring both ways? Delta looks a bit more tricky, but just having the template to go off makes my head hurt. Need another vid demo like yours! Cheers mate. Matt.
Thank you Nelson for share your knowledge with us, Do you have any schematic of your project, would it be possible to have one ?, Thank yo very much again !
Hey mate. Great Vid. I'm going to follow it this week with my rewire. 7x2c Delta wiring seems to be a solid option for micro hydro with the 42 pole .6mm stator. Hopefully it'll work for me! We have a great stream on our place, but flow is limited at times, and sometimes I'll be drawing maybe a minimum of 1L/sec. A plus is the head is almost limitless (50+ metres easy). Bit worried about the cost and durability of pipe though. Any experience with pipe and nozzles plus any other tips? Chur :-)
Hi Nelson. I admire your work! I am in serious need of a machine like this. I have a strong river in my property. Who would I go to for help if I wanted to build a machine like this? Would it be a car mechanic? A home electrician? I would like to show that person this video and have him make me a machine like yours due to the fact that I do not possess the skills to build iy myself. Thank you in advance
Donner Castro Hi Donner, I suppose an electrician would be your best bet for rewiring the stator & setting up the battery storage & inverter. Maybe a friend with some practical skills to help set up the pelton wheel & pipeline
Awesome video! Why rewire it? Could you just use a converter to change it from ac to dc power? I bought one out of the junk yard to make a wind turbine to help with my electric bill. Should I rewire and then use a invert er? Keep up the good works. Any information that can be offered would be appreciated, Thanks, Carl, not Lenny.
Hi Carl not Lenny, They produce 400+ volts with the factory wiring so It would be quite dangerous to work with if you don't know what you're doing & also the ac frequency is high so I don't think your appliances would last long
Just picked up an old fisher pay kel smart drive moter. so looking forward to turning it into a windturbine :) im sunny Nelson so plenty of wind where we are :)
I've tried delta & yes it is a bit harder to wire, I didn't get any more power from it though. From memory it produces more power over 1000rpm & that is about my limit here, If you have 50m head it might be worth a try, I'd be interested to hear how it goes. If you pm me your email I'll send you the spreadsheets. If you measure your flow, head, pipe(penstock) length/diameter, you can enter the data & it will tell you how much power you can expect to get.
is that wiring is the same for all kind of washing machine direct drive motor always 3 group no mathers number of pole it's always 3 solder together ( 3 phase ) ????
Really interested in doing this for a wind generator I am working on converting a 100 acre farm to complete sustainability using a combination of grey water diversion, bigas from raw sewage and a hybrid electrical system (solar and wind). If I was just going to use a batter bank then an AC inverter would It still require rewiring?
So I have a class asignment to build a windmill that will creat power from only things I can find or get for free. I have washing machine (I don't think it's to old GE brand I think) and am wondering will this have a stator in it?
I know how to wire it ,but can I use it as a vertical turbine ? I saw some people covert ceiling fan into the wind turbine ,they use magnet a round . So the washing machine generator do we need to put the magnet around .or it i already had the magnet already , I got confused studying a lot but without practicing ,so would you'd let me know how I use it like what you it then put it back and run the horizontal wind turbine ?
I just bought one of these stators with the rotor off eBay to rewire as a bad ass pancake motor for an off road electric ebike I'm cobbling together. I'm replacing the crap stock magnets with N50 neo magnets and incorporating an electric clutch for free wheeling and still allow for regenerative braking to charge a small super capacitor bank and voltage matched 51.8V 10Ah LiPo pack homemade from 56 carefully capacity matched 18650 cells from my massive old laptop battery stockpile from my electronics shop. May even liquid cool the battery pack and speed controller with the 120x240mm PC liquid cooling radiator and fans from my old gaming PC as the slight extra weight may be worth it to allow more current to flow with less heat issues. Plan to run the motor with a custom programmed Arduino Duo 32bit Arm MCU in a DIY ESC made from the heatsinks and N channel mosfets from an old 5000-10,000 watt peak inverter I had kicking around. It's my winter project this year, should be shredding some rear tires and breaking my hip my next spring! lol
Nelson Bomber I've added even more ideas for the project! I found an inexpensive source for .1" OD copper capillary tubing that I am going to rewind the motor with! With the hollow wiring I will be able to pump coolant through the stator coils and terminate the windings into 3/8"OD copper ring manifolds on either side of the stator to supply coolant and energy. I'm designing my own ESC so I can run as many phases as I want as well, the stator has 36 coils so I will have 12 independent poles. The magnets I found have a 75lb pull each so if I wire it up right I can have 24 of the 36 coils energized at the same time or even all of them if I also incorporate the ability to reverse polarity on the poles. Even if I only supply enough juice for a 50 pound pull of the 75lb available at each magnet that will be insane torque as the rotor is nearly 12 inches! 36 magnets X 24 (or 36) poles would equate to 864 (or 1800) foot pounds of torque! The Arduino Duo has a 32bit MCU and enough programmable inputs and outputs to make an efficient cruise missile let alone an electric recumbent bicycle for a mildly deranged engineer. I'm thinking about mounting the rotor directly to the rear drive wheel too eliminating all drive train losses and allowing for nearly perfect regenerative braking by way of a small 90v 500 farad ultra capacitor bank. On long downhill runs the regenerative braking will also charge the main LiPo pack once the ultracapacitor bank is fully charged. I figure I will rig up the regen braking by using a potentiometer and switch on the rear brake lever that will progressively apply more current to the charging circuit giving a linear braking action so the harder you squeeze the brake the higher the current rises slowing you down. Finally the disk brake will engage if for some reason the electric braking is not enough. With a 12" rotor and 36 N50 magnets I do not foresee a lack of braking potential. Will most likely be able to lock up the wheel or even make it spin in reverse with the surplus torque being designed into it. I decided to make it a recumbent bike as well. That way I can incorporate 3 285W solar panels as a roof over myself and the pickup truck style bed. The 800+W in direct sunlight should be more then enough alone to run the bike. The 90 volts of 18650 LiPos @ 10+ amp hours capacity along with the 500 farad of ultracaps will just be the icing on the cake. When it's parked the power will dump into my home system so as not to waste any of the juice. I have had my eye out looking for some forklift batteries at the junkyard in Scranton. They are the best kept secret in DIY home solar! They last up to 15 years even when getting death drained and banged around in forklift life, Solar energy storage in a stationary controlled environment will allow for 25-30 years of life. Even if you purchase them new for $4000 bucks you will save over the long run never having to replace expensive batteries like the Trojans. If you get a pair of them @ 680ah and 96 volts you will have more then enough to power your home entirely and not have to worry about leaving lights on either. With decent solar panels well under a buck a watt delivered to your door there's no reason for anyone not to go for it now. Unless they live in a crappy little apartment or something. By the time I'm 50 I want my entire home and life to be solar/wind powered. I have some cool designs for trough solar concentrators that make use of vacuum insulation that will provide live dry steam whenever the sun is shining. The troughs are oriented east/west with a variable inclination that only needs to be adjusted for the various seasons. They only waste a small amount of the energy reflecting off the leading and trailing ends in the morning and evening too. That heat can be stored in a battery of well insulated 330 gallon totes(I found a source for only $75 each) in the basement or out building for night time energy use. I'm also experimenting with ammonia based absorption cooling as is used in gas powered camper fridges to convert the heat energy to cooling. (It required some time for me to wrap my mind around that concept when I was 10! lol) The sun slams the Earth with 1000 watts of energy per square yard and has done so for a few billion years, there's no excuse why we are not making better use of it. Site by site micro production is the key! The old paradigm of centralized power production with an elaborate, metered distribution infrastructure does not fare well with renewable energy technologies. Transporting the energy decimates the already marginal supply of renewable energy compared to nuclear or fossil based systems. Nearly every southern facing roof of an average size home is enough space to power it if all energy efficient appliances are used. A 15 foot by 60 foot southerly facing roof is 100 square yards of surface area x 1000W per square yard will give you at least 18KW of energy even if you only use solar electric as the panels are only 18% efficient these days. Say 15KW to account for resistance and all the other vampirish anomalies that rake off energy from a system. 18KW X 6-7hr a day is 125KW hours of energy per day and if you are utilizing solar heating that figure goes way up as heating is far more efficient then solar electric! Anyone that can't get by on that amount of energy has issues, only Al Gore wastes more energy then that! What a Hippocrit that guy is crying about global warming(Climate change now that it is actually cooling) meanwhile he's burning through $7,500 month for electricity! I don't think my service could pull that amount of energy even if I ran both phases directly to ground rods with the 000 gauge service entrance wire! lol The computer I am typing on consumes roughly 25 watts including the 14 watt 22" LED monitor. This quad core Dell Venue 64 with 2GB DDR3 RAM and an additional 64GB class U micro SD card outperforms my old 1400 Watt gaming rig from only 8 years ago! With the bluetooth full size keyboard and laser mouse you would never know you were using a netpad. The ability to salvage the expensive tid bits from cross platforms is all it takes along with some perseverance and good old Yankee know how. Oh well, That's my mindless rambling for the day. Hopefully there are some ideas in there for you to play with...
***** Wow, some genius ideas there. You should make some vids of your experiments/inventions for your youtube channel, I'm sure you'd get tons of views. I would be very interested to see what you come up with.
+Chop Dopeybloke Hello Chop, I have been working on the idea of converting an old F&P washing machine motor to produce power for an off grid home. I am an Electrician with many years experience in Power Generation and would be pleased to help you with getting info on Basic Electricity and Power Generation Regards Kennyg Barwon Heads Vic
Hey, rewired the stator and gave it a blast with the drill to check what sort of voltage I was getting and got it up to around 160v DC, maybe I got the wiring wrong I was hoping for that low voltage high amps. Any thoughts on where I went wrong?
Why on earth would one go to the risk and trouble to rewire an ac producting motor used as a generator to lower its voltage and increase amperage whit a simple cheap step down transformer does this so well? If issue is frequency because most transforms are 50/60 Hz magnetic cores. Just wind your on on a switching a power-supply, etc toraroid core.
Low v dc is safer for those looking to do it themselves and more suitable for charging a 24v battery bank (direct connection), I prefer a batt bank so I can use high load appliances, the batt bank makes up the deficit when draw is higher then gen output. No risk or trouble, I've never had a stator fail in 16 years
It was mentioned in a comment you would not 'need' to wire it but just safer to do so. If you didn't wire it and run it at say 10,000 RPM what would the most likely voltage and ampage be and would the coils over heat or would the sheer fact that you have something spinning that fast be enough to cool the coils. I was hoping, with a little programming and circuits to plum this directly into the house. I don't see the point in having a battery bank unless your working with solar, even in this setup as your using water, unless of course the water stops when it gets dark
Personally I wouldn't run it over 1200 rpm, they're not made for high speed, It would likely fly apart quite soon at over 2000rpm. If you used it with factory wiring you would need to clean the output somehow as the hz is very high & would fry your appliances. The battery bank provides capacity for using high load appliances. Without the battery, If you tried to power a kettle & toaster at the same time you would probably stall the turbine. If you experiment & figure something out I'd love to hear the results.
Nelson Bomber I have the circuit pretty much ready and rather it be a 'spin and go' situation i have planned to control every aspect of the model including the RPM. What i am trying to figure out at the moment is how many amps this is likely to produce and what effects if any by running the emf vertically over the coils rather than horizontally. I think i have figured out a way that it can sit their and run by it self increasing or decreasing supply based on demand. However, i will start off at a low rpm and see what occurs as i start to step it up but the fundemental question is, lets say i produce 300volts, whats the likely amps, is it purely based on the number of coils and number of turns + thickness or something different. I'm not an idiot but this one really has me stumped, i just can't work out where the amps come from as its not the voltage. (I don't think) :/ - oh and thanks for the reply :)
Nelson Bomber Sorry to hassle you but that's what us newbies do lol :) - what 3 phase bridge rectifier would you suggest? I was thinking something like 100amps+ and 1000v+ and one other thing, and its probably the dumbest thing i have said all day, but the start of the copper windings which just sits in a pretty little cube doing f all, are they my Neutral wires? I'm guessing so since one end of a coil is positive and the other negative.?
Yes 100 amps 1000v is plenty to handle the output the way I wire it for low volt dc. If you don't know what you're doing I don't recommend messing around with the factory wired stator, It can give a nasty shock even at low rpm
I have built many devices using mains power with complete and complex circuits. I have even created a second mains feed into the home directly from the mains to give me a second fuse box i built so im happy working with high voltage no problem. The one thing i dont understand is every video i have watched have all skipped the wiring part (only re-wiring the stator - what the stator connects to, batteries and if so no mention of a charge controller, if direct mains connection no mention of or should i say, no mention of using an inverter just dont understand why some of the most important steps are missing? why that is i just don't know. However, could you confirm with the factory wired stator, the start of the winding is effectively the Neutral wire, normally black or blue in Europe and the Live wire (Hot feed) Red or Brown normally. So just want some clarification of the wiring if possible please?
It's computer controlled not directly powered from mains, have a look at the control board to figure out how it works, I'm no expert on that side of things.
I there and thanks for sharing the future. I have one question, can we instead of rewiring the motor, just connect the washing machine motor into a bridge rectifier and connect it after the bridge rectifier to a charge controller like Xantrex C60 that has a dump load? instead of rewiring? many thanks and excellent work you have done everywhere ;)
Nelson Bomber what I am thinking is, to connect the motor/generator to bridge rectifier and to controller, the controller with diversion load /dump load should collect the voltage/amp that it can handle and that the battery bank can handle and dump the rest...the thing here is that we must have at all times a big enough dump load 130% more of the maximum wattage that the motor can produce (so I I was thinking on using the water heating element (220V 7.3KW)...I do not know if my setup will work I am still asking questions (including to the controller manufactures) since my motor rates AC 380/660V 2.2Kw at 1410rpm (so it will output a lot of Volts in high winds...I am trying to dig around since I am a DIY not a electronic engineer :(
Im sorry I do not have the knowledge on this... can someone please tell me what midway between ever six poles means? Im trying to do this but I dont know which wires to cut...
Venho através dessa mensagem que solicitar o esquema elétrico de quadro explicação de energia combina que tinha no seu site e não tem mais foi tirado da internet gostaria de saber se você pode me ajudar em me fornecer o esquema elétrico de duplicação duplicação e qualificação da energia descer para gerador Direct drive
there are enough of these around. I actually picked one up off the roadside today. when you turn the paddles/whatever inside the drum you can fell it kind of click click click (kind of feeling you get with permanent magnet generators/alternators/motors). and if its an f&p then you are probably good to go.
Some front load washer models by LG, Whirlpool, Samsung, and others use a PWM controlled permanent magnet axial motor like this. They likely all can be converted to a usable output, but number of poles, and output voltage when used as a generator may be different in their original configuration. The process for re wiring the coils to a series parallel configuration that provides AC charging current at a usable output voltage, will be different, and dependent on the different engineering choices made by their manufacturers, and the battery and charge control setup you are feeding it into.
Hi, do you sell any of the motors you rewired to produce electricity. I need 3 phrase A/C generator as many watts as possible at 60 mhertz as low rpm's to generate max watts possible. I know I am asking alot. It will be connected to a hyrdo system. I have all the other parts just need the motor generator. All suggestion will be welcomed.
I have zero sound here,is it blocked here or is this a total silence video? can someone please respond cause I really feel like being blocked everywhere, every comment or opinion from me is like, its not there, my share button is gone, and not alowed to comment on livestreams or any other critical issue.
Haha, I know it looks pretty ugly, but I've never had a failure in the 8 years I've been running these machines, so I guess it'll do the job. My soldering iron is a little low powered for that gauge wire.
Hey Marty love your work! Was wondering if you could do a video for the rectifier and final connection, it would be nice to have a step by step right through the batteries and to inverter. I and am sure many others would greatly appreciate it thanks!
Nice, sounds like it has potential. See if you can pick up some cheap used irrigation pipe, buying new can be very costly, especially if you go for 3 or 4 inch. What wil your pipe length be? If you like I can send you a spreadsheet calculator so you can work out pipe diameter, jet size, pelton diameter etc for maximum efficiency.
Hi it would be helpful if you could send me the excel file 🙏
Now you just need to show how the bridge rectifiers connect to this to turn the 3-phase AC into DC to charge batteries. Some hints on what to use to regulate the battery charge (to avoid overcharging which can destroy lead-acid cells) would also be useful. Thanks for this video anyway. It's useful information.
Very cool! Thanks for taking the time/sharing your knowledge.
6 years living off the grid !! wow!! Excelent !
Thanks Nelson . I have tried to find a practical instruction for this wiring mod. I had seen diagrams. But I wanted to SEE IT. You WON. I HAVE IT NOW :) :)
ken george can i please have it, thanks
Thank you for your videos. So helpful .
Hi there, good work. Thought I would mention that the copper bridge you mentioned is actually brass and it would pay to remove it and sandpaper it clean as I have seen many which corrode to make a poor connection and eventually no connection at all. Hope this helps
Cheers :)
Kiwi ingenuity at its finest 😂😂😂
thanks for taking the time to show us this ...excellent
Thanks mate
I want to rewire mine 7 phase 1x6c, I see a diagram on backshed, but it only shows how to do the first phase, I'm confused about what to do with like the second coil , do all the stars in each phase get attached together? I sure could use some professional advice.
Hey Marty, absolutely loving your channel. Couldn't you just have used motorcycle regulator rectifiers to prevent the need to rewire the stator? They're about $10 on Aliexpress.
You would have high voltage dc, not very useful for charging batts
Really helpful video Thanks!
The finished wiring diagram is shown at 28 seconds in the video
Yeah, any further info from you would be awesome. I'm still not sure about pipe length. Whatever I can get/afford to make the thing spin like crazy I guess? I'd say a couple hundred metres at about 1:4 would give me 50m head. I see your demo is star config, but delta is shown to produce more low rpm power. Any experience with rewiring both ways? Delta looks a bit more tricky, but just having the template to go off makes my head hurt. Need another vid demo like yours! Cheers mate. Matt.
Hola Nelson puedes informarme o darme algún links donde muestres el trabajo final de este proyecto. Saludos
Thank you Nelson for share your knowledge with us, Do you have any schematic of your project, would it be possible to have one ?, Thank yo very much again !
Check out www.thebackshed.com/windmill/FPRewire.asp They have lots of usefull info.
shes spinnin fast
Hey mate. Great Vid. I'm going to follow it this week with my rewire. 7x2c Delta wiring seems to be a solid option for micro hydro with the 42 pole .6mm stator. Hopefully it'll work for me! We have a great stream on our place, but flow is limited at times, and sometimes I'll be drawing maybe a minimum of 1L/sec. A plus is the head is almost limitless (50+ metres easy). Bit worried about the cost and durability of pipe though. Any experience with pipe and nozzles plus any other tips? Chur :-)
Hi, you live in Nelson New Zealand as id like to catch up and see haw to do the rewiring thinks.Bugly
Hi Nelson. I admire your work! I am in serious need of a machine like this. I have a strong river in my property. Who would I go to for help if I wanted to build a machine like this? Would it be a car mechanic? A home electrician? I would like to show that person this video and have him make me a machine like yours due to the fact that I do not possess the skills to build iy myself. Thank you in advance
Donner Castro Hi Donner, I suppose an electrician would be your best bet for rewiring the stator & setting up the battery storage & inverter. Maybe a friend with some practical skills to help set up the pelton wheel & pipeline
Awesome video! Why rewire it? Could you just use a converter to change it from ac to dc power? I bought one out of the junk yard to make a wind turbine to help with my electric bill. Should I rewire and then use a invert er? Keep up the good works. Any information that can be offered would be appreciated, Thanks, Carl, not Lenny.
Hi Carl not Lenny, They produce 400+ volts with the factory wiring so It would be quite dangerous to work with if you don't know what you're doing & also the ac frequency is high so I don't think your appliances would last long
It really help if you had explained why you felt you needed to rewire at the start of the video.
great content Marty (Y)
Thanks Dan
Just picked up an old fisher pay kel smart drive moter. so looking forward to turning it into a windturbine :) im sunny Nelson so plenty of wind where we are :)
hi there, I watched your video a few times now. could you please shows the wire diagram. i am not sure which wire goes where.
thanks
I've tried delta & yes it is a bit harder to wire, I didn't get any more power from it though. From memory it produces more power over 1000rpm & that is about my limit here, If you have 50m head it might be worth a try, I'd be interested to hear how it goes. If you pm me your email I'll send you the spreadsheets. If you measure your flow, head, pipe(penstock) length/diameter, you can enter the data & it will tell you how much power you can expect to get.
is that wiring is the same for all kind of washing machine direct drive motor always 3 group no mathers number of pole it's always 3 solder together ( 3 phase ) ????
Is this only type of washing mashine that can be used for this project?
switch it to 720 hd & it should be easier to read
What is the model of the old fisher easing machine ? It looks like III front of coils ,they have the magnets haunt on them , north and south poles ?
Really interested in doing this for a wind generator I am working on converting a 100 acre farm to complete sustainability using a combination of grey water diversion, bigas from raw sewage and a hybrid electrical system (solar and wind). If I was just going to use a batter bank then an AC inverter would It still require rewiring?
So I have a class asignment to build a windmill that will creat power from only things I can find or get for free. I have washing machine (I don't think it's to old GE brand I think) and am wondering will this have a stator in it?
I know how to wire it ,but can I use it as a vertical turbine ? I saw some people covert ceiling fan into the wind turbine ,they use magnet a round . So the washing machine generator do we need to put the magnet around .or it i already had the magnet already , I got confused studying a lot but without practicing ,so would you'd let me know how I use it like what you it then put it back and run the horizontal wind turbine ?
She's spinning fast ;)
I just bought one of these stators with the rotor off eBay to rewire as a bad ass pancake motor for an off road electric ebike I'm cobbling together. I'm replacing the crap stock magnets with N50 neo magnets and incorporating an electric clutch for free wheeling and still allow for regenerative braking to charge a small super capacitor bank and voltage matched 51.8V 10Ah LiPo pack homemade from 56 carefully capacity matched 18650 cells from my massive old laptop battery stockpile from my electronics shop. May even liquid cool the battery pack and speed controller with the 120x240mm PC liquid cooling radiator and fans from my old gaming PC as the slight extra weight may be worth it to allow more current to flow with less heat issues. Plan to run the motor with a custom programmed Arduino Duo 32bit Arm MCU in a DIY ESC made from the heatsinks and N channel mosfets from an old 5000-10,000 watt peak inverter I had kicking around. It's my winter project this year, should be shredding some rear tires and breaking my hip my next spring! lol
***** Dude that's awesome, I'd love to see the finished product in action
Nelson Bomber I've added even more ideas for the project! I found an inexpensive source for .1" OD copper capillary tubing that I am going to rewind the motor with! With the hollow wiring I will be able to pump coolant through the stator coils and terminate the windings into 3/8"OD copper ring manifolds on either side of the stator to supply coolant and energy. I'm designing my own ESC so I can run as many phases as I want as well, the stator has 36 coils so I will have 12 independent poles. The magnets I found have a 75lb pull each so if I wire it up right I can have 24 of the 36 coils energized at the same time or even all of them if I also incorporate the ability to reverse polarity on the poles. Even if I only supply enough juice for a 50 pound pull of the 75lb available at each magnet that will be insane torque as the rotor is nearly 12 inches! 36 magnets X 24 (or 36) poles would equate to 864 (or 1800) foot pounds of torque! The Arduino Duo has a 32bit MCU and enough programmable inputs and outputs to make an efficient cruise missile let alone an electric recumbent bicycle for a mildly deranged engineer. I'm thinking about mounting the rotor directly to the rear drive wheel too eliminating all drive train losses and allowing for nearly perfect regenerative braking by way of a small 90v 500 farad ultra capacitor bank. On long downhill runs the regenerative braking will also charge the main LiPo pack once the ultracapacitor bank is fully charged. I figure I will rig up the regen braking by using a potentiometer and switch on the rear brake lever that will progressively apply more current to the charging circuit giving a linear braking action so the harder you squeeze the brake the higher the current rises slowing you down. Finally the disk brake will engage if for some reason the electric braking is not enough. With a 12" rotor and 36 N50 magnets I do not foresee a lack of braking potential. Will most likely be able to lock up the wheel or even make it spin in reverse with the surplus torque being designed into it. I decided to make it a recumbent bike as well. That way I can incorporate 3 285W solar panels as a roof over myself and the pickup truck style bed. The 800+W in direct sunlight should be more then enough alone to run the bike. The 90 volts of 18650 LiPos @ 10+ amp hours capacity along with the 500 farad of ultracaps will just be the icing on the cake. When it's parked the power will dump into my home system so as not to waste any of the juice. I have had my eye out looking for some forklift batteries at the junkyard in Scranton. They are the best kept secret in DIY home solar! They last up to 15 years even when getting death drained and banged around in forklift life, Solar energy storage in a stationary controlled environment will allow for 25-30 years of life. Even if you purchase them new for $4000 bucks you will save over the long run never having to replace expensive batteries like the Trojans. If you get a pair of them @ 680ah and 96 volts you will have more then enough to power your home entirely and not have to worry about leaving lights on either. With decent solar panels well under a buck a watt delivered to your door there's no reason for anyone not to go for it now. Unless they live in a crappy little apartment or something. By the time I'm 50 I want my entire home and life to be solar/wind powered. I have some cool designs for trough solar concentrators that make use of vacuum insulation that will provide live dry steam whenever the sun is shining. The troughs are oriented east/west with a variable inclination that only needs to be adjusted for the various seasons. They only waste a small amount of the energy reflecting off the leading and trailing ends in the morning and evening too. That heat can be stored in a battery of well insulated 330 gallon totes(I found a source for only $75 each) in the basement or out building for night time energy use. I'm also experimenting with ammonia based absorption cooling as is used in gas powered camper fridges to convert the heat energy to cooling. (It required some time for me to wrap my mind around that concept when I was 10! lol) The sun slams the Earth with 1000 watts of energy per square yard and has done so for a few billion years, there's no excuse why we are not making better use of it. Site by site micro production is the key! The old paradigm of centralized power production with an elaborate, metered distribution infrastructure does not fare well with renewable energy technologies. Transporting the energy decimates the already marginal supply of renewable energy compared to nuclear or fossil based systems. Nearly every southern facing roof of an average size home is enough space to power it if all energy efficient appliances are used. A 15 foot by 60 foot southerly facing roof is 100 square yards of surface area x 1000W per square yard will give you at least 18KW of energy even if you only use solar electric as the panels are only 18% efficient these days. Say 15KW to account for resistance and all the other vampirish anomalies that rake off energy from a system. 18KW X 6-7hr a day is 125KW hours of energy per day and if you are utilizing solar heating that figure goes way up as heating is far more efficient then solar electric! Anyone that can't get by on that amount of energy has issues, only Al Gore wastes more energy then that! What a Hippocrit that guy is crying about global warming(Climate change now that it is actually cooling) meanwhile he's burning through $7,500 month for electricity! I don't think my service could pull that amount of energy even if I ran both phases directly to ground rods with the 000 gauge service entrance wire! lol The computer I am typing on consumes roughly 25 watts including the 14 watt 22" LED monitor. This quad core Dell Venue 64 with 2GB DDR3 RAM and an additional 64GB class U micro SD card outperforms my old 1400 Watt gaming rig from only 8 years ago! With the bluetooth full size keyboard and laser mouse you would never know you were using a netpad. The ability to salvage the expensive tid bits from cross platforms is all it takes along with some perseverance and good old Yankee know how. Oh well, That's my mindless rambling for the day. Hopefully there are some ideas in there for you to play with...
***** Wow, some genius ideas there. You should make some vids of your experiments/inventions for your youtube channel, I'm sure you'd get tons of views. I would be very interested to see what you come up with.
Nelson Bomber
Whit the torque figures from the 12" rotor I'll most likely be coming up with a broken hip! That video would go viral for sure! lol
+Chop Dopeybloke
Hello Chop,
I have been working on the idea of converting an old F&P washing machine motor to produce power for an off grid home.
I am an Electrician with many years experience in Power Generation and would be pleased to help you with getting info on Basic Electricity and Power Generation
Regards Kennyg
Barwon Heads Vic
It needs to be a fisher & paykel smartdrive machine
This will peak at around 1kw 35-40 amps
Hey, rewired the stator and gave it a blast with the drill to check what sort of voltage I was getting and got it up to around 160v DC, maybe I got the wiring wrong I was hoping for that low voltage high amps. Any thoughts on where I went wrong?
That seems a bit high, what rpm were you running it? do you have an ammeter so you can test each phase?
Not sure on the rpm but was only using a battery drill, was getting around 8amps on each phase
what kind of power can you get from this? and how many amps?
Why on earth would one go to the risk and trouble to rewire an ac producting motor used as a generator to lower its voltage and increase amperage whit a simple cheap step down transformer does this so well? If issue is frequency because most transforms are 50/60 Hz magnetic cores. Just wind your on on a switching a power-supply, etc toraroid core.
Low v dc is safer for those looking to do it themselves and more suitable for charging a 24v battery bank (direct connection), I prefer a batt bank so I can use high load appliances, the batt bank makes up the deficit when draw is higher then gen output. No risk or trouble, I've never had a stator fail in 16 years
What RPM/power etc. can you get it to produce...that is the first question before even beginning.
Thanks
+Gerry S It will peak at around 900w - 1 kw at 1200 rpm
+Nelson Bomber Thanks
It was mentioned in a comment you would not 'need' to wire it but just safer to do so. If you didn't wire it and run it at say 10,000 RPM what would the most likely voltage and ampage be and would the coils over heat or would the sheer fact that you have something spinning that fast be enough to cool the coils. I was hoping, with a little programming and circuits to plum this directly into the house. I don't see the point in having a battery bank unless your working with solar, even in this setup as your using water, unless of course the water stops when it gets dark
Personally I wouldn't run it over 1200 rpm, they're not made for high speed, It would likely fly apart quite soon at over 2000rpm. If you used it with factory wiring you would need to clean the output somehow as the hz is very high & would fry your appliances. The battery bank provides capacity for using high load appliances. Without the battery, If you tried to power a kettle & toaster at the same time you would probably stall the turbine. If you experiment & figure something out I'd love to hear the results.
Nelson Bomber
I have the circuit pretty much ready and rather it be a 'spin and go' situation i have planned to control every aspect of the model including the RPM. What i am trying to figure out at the moment is how many amps this is likely to produce and what effects if any by running the emf vertically over the coils rather than horizontally. I think i have figured out a way that it can sit their and run by it self increasing or decreasing supply based on demand. However, i will start off at a low rpm and see what occurs as i start to step it up but the fundemental question is, lets say i produce 300volts, whats the likely amps, is it purely based on the number of coils and number of turns + thickness or something different. I'm not an idiot but this one really has me stumped, i just can't work out where the amps come from as its not the voltage. (I don't think) :/ - oh and thanks for the reply :)
datacalls01 I'm not sure, but be careful... they can bite ;)
Nelson Bomber
Sorry to hassle you but that's what us newbies do lol :) - what 3 phase bridge rectifier would you suggest? I was thinking something like 100amps+ and 1000v+ and one other thing, and its probably the dumbest thing i have said all day, but the start of the copper windings which just sits in a pretty little cube doing f all, are they my Neutral wires? I'm guessing so since one end of a coil is positive and the other negative.?
Yes 100 amps 1000v is plenty to handle the output the way I wire it for low volt dc. If you don't know what you're doing I don't recommend messing around with the factory wired stator, It can give a nasty shock even at low rpm
I have built many devices using mains power with complete and complex circuits. I have even created a second mains feed into the home directly from the mains to give me a second fuse box i built so im happy working with high voltage no problem. The one thing i dont understand is every video i have watched have all skipped the wiring part (only re-wiring the stator - what the stator connects to, batteries and if so no mention of a charge controller, if direct mains connection no mention of or should i say, no mention of using an inverter just dont understand why some of the most important steps are missing? why that is i just don't know. However, could you confirm with the factory wired stator, the start of the winding is effectively the Neutral wire, normally black or blue in Europe and the Live wire (Hot feed) Red or Brown normally. So just want some clarification of the wiring if possible please?
It's computer controlled not directly powered from mains, have a look at the control board to figure out how it works, I'm no expert on that side of things.
I there and thanks for sharing the future. I have one question, can we instead of rewiring the motor, just connect the washing machine motor into a bridge rectifier and connect it after the bridge rectifier to a charge controller like Xantrex C60 that has a dump load? instead of rewiring? many thanks and excellent work you have done everywhere ;)
I suppose you could do that, but I think the output would be 2-400v dc can the xantrex handle that?
Nelson Bomber what I am thinking is, to connect the motor/generator to bridge rectifier and to controller, the controller with diversion load /dump load should collect the voltage/amp that it can handle and that the battery bank can handle and dump the rest...the thing here is that we must have at all times a big enough dump load 130% more of the maximum wattage that the motor can produce (so I I was thinking on using the water heating element (220V 7.3KW)...I do not know if my setup will work I am still asking questions (including to the controller manufactures) since my motor rates AC 380/660V 2.2Kw at 1410rpm (so it will output a lot of Volts in high winds...I am trying to dig around since I am a DIY not a electronic engineer :(
I'd be interested to hear the outcome.. you might be onto something
Did it ever get done??
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WOW--cold solder joints.
AWESOME THUMBS UP MAN
I DID SUB TO YOU CHANEL
CHEERS MATE Keep up the good works
Thanks mate
WOW SHES SPINNING FAST
Im sorry I do not have the knowledge on this... can someone please tell me what midway between ever six poles means? Im trying to do this but I dont know which wires to cut...
thanks
Shes spinning fast
Where can I buy this pelton wheel?
Sikandar Khan These motors are found at the rubbish dump here in NZ, the control board blows but usually the motor is in good condition
Nelson Bomber I meant the turbine fan on the end of the rotor, the pelton wheel. Thank you.
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Can this wiring set up be used to charge a 12volt battery via a regulator?
+Phillip Rinaudo This will charge a 12v - 48v battery
Does this require that specific type of washer or can it be done with any type?
It needs to be a F&P smartdrive, other types may be converted to generate but the process will be different
there are enough of these around. I actually picked one up off the roadside today. when you turn the paddles/whatever inside the drum you can fell it kind of click click click (kind of feeling you get with permanent magnet generators/alternators/motors). and if its an f&p then you are probably good to go.
Some front load washer models by LG, Whirlpool, Samsung, and others use a PWM controlled permanent magnet axial motor like this. They likely all can be converted to a usable output, but number of poles, and output voltage when used as a generator may be different in their original configuration. The process for re wiring the coils to a series parallel configuration that provides AC charging current at a usable output voltage, will be different, and dependent on the different engineering choices made by their manufacturers, and the battery and charge control setup you are feeding it into.
Hi, do you sell any of the motors you rewired to produce electricity. I need 3 phrase A/C generator as many watts as possible at 60 mhertz as low rpm's to generate max watts possible. I know I am asking alot. It will be connected to a hyrdo system. I have all the other parts just need the motor generator. All suggestion will be welcomed.
+Iam Eluno No sorry I don't sell them, you may be able to find one on ebay or something similar
how can i contact with you have some questions...
shes spinning fast
multi segment Y wind conversion
she's spinning fast
I have zero sound here,is it blocked here or is this a total silence video?
can someone please respond cause I really feel like being blocked everywhere,
every comment or opinion from me is like, its not there, my share button is gone,
and not alowed to comment on livestreams or any other critical issue.
I can see your message. Its no sound on this video for me too.
(she's spinning fast)
great video m8 but dam thats not the best souldering iv seen ... top video tho cheers
Haha, I know it looks pretty ugly, but I've never had a failure in the 8 years I've been running these machines, so I guess it'll do the job. My soldering iron is a little low powered for that gauge wire.
Fair call m8