Marge Schott: The Cur of Cincinnati
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
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This is an owner I've wanted to get to for a good bit. Marge Schott is unbelievable to hear about, and not in a positive way. Her antics and cheapness were both infamous and legendary. Intense hatred of players and executives. A lack of understanding/care of the game. More respect for her dogs than the team. Blatant racism. Never knowing when to shut the fuck up. These are the hallmarks of Marge Schott's ownership reign.
This video is a relic, but not of the 90's. More like the 1790's, if even that.
The amount of scandals she caused that Nick Castellanos could have been forced to cover up with three-run shots would have made him the greatest baseball player in history.
As there's a drive into deep left feild by castellanos. That's a home run. that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame
@@-snowy-726 I don’t think I’ll be putting on this headset again.
what are you talking about?
@@joegonzales1932 search nick castellanos hitting home runs at bad times compilation
Castellianos has made a habit of inopportune times, starting when a respected play by play hot called Kansas City- and that ball is driven deep to left field by Castillianos! And that will make in a 4-0 ball game. I don't know know if I'll be posting this comment again.
I can safely say that Marge Schott is one of the worst owners in MLB history, as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame.
I don’t think I’ll be putting this headset on again.
*Laughs in Dean Spanos*
The only difference between Schott and Steinbrenner is that Steinbrenner was a man. Almost all of the MLB owners are disgusting cartoon villains.
I love how that’s the first thing people think about when they think of the Reds now.
@@scawfan75 spanos is better than schott
As a living Reds fan, this one has been a long one coming. Marge is a fascinating character in Cincy lore.
Shott was such an Embarrassment to the NL and MLB alone, that they tried EVERYTHING in their Power to make sure she was forgotten. It remains to be seen whether or not she's cursed the Reds, TBH, I thought it was Rose's Gambling that did.
@@Tornado1994 I thought she cursed the entire city with it. The Bangeles had enough suffering thanks to Mike Brown and recent superbowl loss
Yeah as a native Cincinnatian, I can confirm that Schott is *EXACTLY* the sort of ultra-bizarre, totally dysfunctional fucking weirdo boomer that only Cincinnati could have produced. She and Pete were two of the strangest personalities in the history of sports and they both came out of Cincinnati. I don't know what the fuck happened, but that entire generation of Cincy boomers came out totally fucking sideways. I'm so glad I moved away.
And he made a deep dive video about her in 2022. These are the videos he often says he wants to make but doesn't have the time. Passionate about his craft, doesn't half-ass anything, listens to his audience (i.e Week 1 2022 SportsBall reaction) and has common sense.
Can we plant Utree in the ground? This world needs a forest of UrinatingTrees, especially right now!
@@sbfcapnj She was born in the 1920s, so wouldn't that make her (somewhat ironically when you think about it) kinda the "Greatest Generation"?
The only pro sports owner in American history that would make Dan Synder look both competent and socially aware...
donald sterling was worse
Only because Harold Ballard was Canadian
That says plenty about Marge.
“Hold my beer”!
-William Clay Ford
Bill Wirtz aka “Dollar Bill” might be in contention for that title
Omg, I knew Schott was a shitty owner and a racist, but holy cow I did not know it was this bad. She is literally a female Donald Sterling. Reds fans, I am so sorry. At least you won the 1990 World Series.
To be fair, there are some traits where she's much better than Sterling. I don't think she was as mean-spirited as Sterling is because at least she did care about animals. On the other hand, she was probably far more racist than Sterling is. I think she's more cartoonish than anything else. She reminds me a lot of Eric Cartman
She had Literal SHIT all over the Field. Bred St. Bernards. And let them Shit all over it.
Marge gets a nod over Donald in that while Marge was a horrible boss, she did put back into the community of Cincinnati. Donald Sterling was a slumlord & an ambulance chaser.
@@ralph8677 Yup, there’s nothing redeemable about that lowlife subhuman Sterling.
But that means she got a championship in 1990
I always knew that Marge Schott was a... volatile individual.
This video made me realize that "volatile" is too lenient of a word to describe her. I can't believe she'd express no sympathy for an umpire who perished on a baseball field.
Why would anyone ever show sympathy for an umpire dying, its similar to watching a mosquito or some other pest die
The SI article Tree gets most of his info from was printed in full in the 1997 volume of The Best American Sports Writing series.
I had a sports journalism course not long after the book's publication, and remember just reading open-mouthed at the casual racism stated in the article. It's a wild read, worth seeking out.
@@holocade4908 oh shut it, schottzie.
she checked every box. cheap, to an inhumane extent. used the personal life of others to fire them. against women in the workplace. how sad. to be given all the opporunity in the world and waste it
@@holocade4908 😐
Never forget that Nick Castellanos hits a homerun to give the Reds a 4-0 lead.
Near the “Judgement Free” Zone
“I pride myself and think of myself as a man of faith, as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run”
“I don’t know if I’m gonna be putting on this headset again”
Question is, did Marge Schott's soul visited to Thom Brenneman by the time he said that pre-game blunder?
@@MKISports
No, Marge would have had him call Castellanos a racial epithet if she was really possessing him
Growing up a Reds fan, my dad told me about Marge when all the Donald Sterling stuff came out and said "Hey, that sounds a lot like Marge Schott"
LMAO!
LMAO
And here the kicker, Donald Sterling is a Jew.
This owner is a terrifying mix of Donald Sterling, Daniel Snyder, Bob McNair, and Eugene Melnyk.
Just the thought of an owner like that is scarier than any Horror movie villain 😬
Don’t forget Harold Ballard
@@ChiefBlue4298 she didn’t run a sex rink
And Gerorge Marshall
@@ajevans1422 at least she didn’t sink that low
She is without a doubt one of the worst owners in MLB history. Just vile.
Shott was such an Embarrassment to the NL and MLB alone, that they tried EVERYTHING in their Power to make sure she was forgotten. It remains to be seen whether or not she's cursed the Reds, TBH, I thought it was Rose's Gambling that did.
Her and Jeffrey loria
She was quite a trailblazer actually. A groundbreaker, if you will.
...she proved to the world that women can be cheap, petulant, racist, spiteful piece of shit sports owners too.
How about in sports history, not just in MLB
@@Videogamelover58 how did they win the WS
The fact that Marge Schott got banned from the team from managing it from 1996 to 1998 due to comments in support of German domestic policies of Hitler and then had to sell her majority share of the team due to those past comments she made and then after winning a world title with the Reds is really sickening and kind of impressive she was able to own the team for as long as she did i mean who knows what other comments she could of said.
She was the PRINCESS of Late Night Comedy Punchlines and a STAIN on the MLB's Reputation.
The weirdest part is that it was the Shitler comments that got her gone…not the innumerable usages of the n-word to describe her own employees
@@warlordofbritannia And she had mentioned the same damn sentiment about Hitler in 1992 as well.
@@UrinatingTree
That’s what I mean-people should have already known her, uh, antiquated views on Shitler
If I had to guess, the other owners didn’t feel as embarrassed by her calling players million dollar [expletives] as much as the public embarrassment from having a colleague speak favorably of history’s most infamous figure…which is telling in its own way lol
@@UrinatingTree Can you do a legacy of failure for the Brewers
I was about to talk about the Bengals and then I saw the thumbnail, therefore I have nothing to talk about as I am unintelligent when it comes to baseball.
But I can trust UrinatingTree as he makes immaculate documentaries.
Secret Base did a worst video on her about five years ago that had a lot of these same stories in this video.
Schott is one of those relatively few owners to make Mike Brown look like the most passionate and loveable owner in sports history by comparison (although at least she only lasted no more than a third as long)
Marge Schott isn't even Donald Sterling at this point, she's Eric freaking Cartman 🤣🤣
Dude, that comparison is awesome.
actually so accurate
Like when Cartman was an owner of an amusement park and got pissed that he had to pay people to upkeep it.
Nah, chris chan
@@philly_sports1558 “So much to do at Cartmanland, and you can’t come!” Especially Stan and Kyle
Also, St Louis Rams owner in their 1999 Super Bowl season was Georgia Frontiere. Fun Fact, Macho Man Randy Savage was a member of the Reds Organization. He was minor leaguer.
She took control of the team in '79 after the death of her husband, Carroll Rosenbloom. They came close to upsetting the Steelers in Super Bowl XIV the following January.
I still remember that 1990 Reds team fondly from when I was a kid. It's still impressive that they won that World Series despite how Marge treated the team. In retrospect, it really speaks more about them than it does her.
It reads like the real life version of MAJOR LEAGUE
@@insertnamehere5809 Indeed, it does!
@@Spikey_Buddy Amazing that Major League came out in 1989. I could have sworn that movie was inspired by this lady, but instead it was being made before most of the world even knew who she was.
Eric Davis had the tools to be an all time great, SMH. She treated him like shit.
Well he also got cancer, so it’s more likely his body kept breaking down because it was literally turning against him.
It really speaks to how vile Schott was that you can make a very good case that she’s worse than any living team owner right now. And among all owners ever I think only Ballard was worse.
Ballard is the Babe Ruth of shitty owners. He was so bad, you can't believe he truly existed, just like Babe Ruth being so great, it's tough to believe he existed.
I mean she did donate to kids and animal organizations. Ballard probably donated the hair in his bathtub drain.
@@ajevans1422 who is ballard?
@@slivereye4518 Harold Ballard, former Toronto Maple Leafs owner. Most likely covered up arena workers molesting kids
@@slivereye4518 Harold Ballard he was owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Tree made a video on him
My Grandpa lived in Cincy, he really hated how she cut the organ player at Riverfront. He loved coming to where we live and catching a Cards game. I was a tyke and still remember how much he hated her.
Ego on the field, Ego off the field. This video is both required and a reminder of why owners can be power-hungry in the wrong way. If you want someone who is like Marie Antoinette in a Baseball Front Office, here she is. The biggest sign of 'let them eat hotdogs' that the sports world has had in decades.
Marge Shott was the Jezebel of Baseball Club Owners.
Marie Antoinette never said "let them eat cake." It came from a book written in 1765, which means that when the book was written, she was NINE YEARS OLD and lived in Austria, obviously not the person the line came from. It's also notable that Marie Antoinette was pretty well liked by the French public until a bunch of documents decrying the nobility suddenly and radically shifted to decrying specifically her, not all that long after she did a bunch of things that hurt the position of various nobles at court. She also had a shitload of false accusations thrown at her by her enemies, like, an absolute fucking truckload, a good number of which were proven wrong in court or noted as being fucking absurd by anyone actually paying attention.
@@TheShinyFeraligatr ...I mean, if you want to get triggered over an internet comment whatever.
@@Tornado1994 or sports owners in general.
@@Plasmawarrior ?
Only UrinatingTree could get a sponsorship approved on a video about one of the most racist and worst owners in sports history
@Fries only 519k at this point, but maybe one day....
I knew of the racism and pro Hitler stance Schott had but I had no idea of her cheapness and greed. She makes Harold Ballard's infamous greed and cheapness look like Roman decadence in comparison.
Idk if I would go that far. Ballard strong-armed the Beatles into doing two shows at Maple Leaf Gardens instead of the agreed-upon one show. Not to mention how he would shut off the AC and water fountains so he could jack up the concession prices and get people to buy drinks.
@@nicksojka7457 Yeah I knew of that. It shows just how he tried to squeeze as much money as possible like when he sold the old cup banners to have more seats at Maple Leaf Gardens and having only three scouts and hating Dave Keon and the other players who left for the WHL because they wanted a pay raise.
@@Canada1994 Here's how I like to compare the two owners:
- Both were cheap and racist
- Schott was far more racist
- Ballard was far more cheap
@@nicksojka7457 I wouldn't say Ballard was a racist just xenophobic
@@Canada1994 No, Ballard was definitely racist as well. He hated signing non-Canadian players, especially European ones whom he thought of as "soft." The only reason the team was able to sign Börje Salming was because Ballard was in prison at the time.
I had forgotten about her to be honest until seeing this. The comment on Davis and Parker alone today? That would been the end of her right there, no questions asked.
# 001 From what I've seen from the video and read up on her. About 90% of the crap she's done would not have flew today. They probably wouldn't let her near the stadium parking lot let alone the stadium.
Die hard reds fan here, I was wondering when Schott would get a video. A bizarre and backwards time in Cincinnati history. Seems now the reds have traded a cheap and racist owner for just a cheap one.
A very cheap owner at that
I always believed that the Reds for the most part never recovered from Marge Schott’s reign. And she ruined what could have been the modern version of the Big Red Machine.
Harold Ballard: Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be LEGENDARY!
Give me Lou, too. He hates facial hair, and neither of the three clubs had a single black guy during his time with said teams.
There are still folks here in Cincinnati who look back on Marg extremely fondly because of how she treated the fans and city. It’s a shame how awful she was as a person.
At the end of the video you see all those kids on the field running with Marge, see how they're all white? Nobody noticed these things back then but they sure as hell would now.
Except there’s a black kid standing two people over from her.
@@bjchit Oops there goes his theory! I love race baiters: they are just as bad as the racists that they are trying to shame!
There’s still a stadium named after her
And that's why the Bengals never won a Super Bowl (and they lost the Royals and don't have a NHL team either), hell, even Jon Moxley got that curse, poor guy
I feel like everyone knows at least one horrible aspect about Marge Schott, but there's always something else to learn.
I mostly vaguely knew about how cheap and racist she was and I think it was mentioned how her phone tapping played a part in getting Pete Rose busted.
The thing with the scoreboard, that was a new one for me. I especially loved the lack of self awareness she displayed by saying "I've got to have the worst public relations staff in America." Even if those two things were related I'd probably tell her "you get what you pay for, you cheap hag"
I grew up in the 80 and 90s, and kept with sports pretty closely, so i can say i lived this (the scoreboard was the absolute only thing i didnt know of her antics)
Same with Harold Ballard
I knew about her policy towards facial hair and body piercings
I knew absolutely nothing about her before this video. Not even that she existed.
Tree; the “ayo what the f*ck” cut in was absolutely PERFECT
This is one of the few videos that I've watched on this website where I've had to stop, get up and take a breather because I was laughing so hard.
The sheer absurdity of it all just tickles me pink.
My grandma worked for the company that insured the Reds and worked directly with Marge back in the day. She was an... interesting character. Even with her cheap and overbearing ownership style, she did still care about the team and was legitimately doing what she thought was best for them (obviously you can disagree with her decisions, but in Marge's eyes that's how it was). I don't know why, but apparently my grandma was one of the few people Marge claimed she liked. My mom sometimes tells stories too about having to wait around Marge's office while my grandma and Marge talked insurance. While I'm too young to remember Marge's obsession with her dogs, I can confirm my grandma always brings up that she sent dog hair to the players for "good luck".
I remember her reign well. It was impossible to make up an outrageous Marge Schott story as a joke and have someone know you were pulling their leg, because the things she actually said and did made almost anything believable. I can't imagine anyone (in baseball) missing her, but I'm sort of glad I lived through the experience, just for an all-time yardstick. Like, "You think THAT owner is bad? Well, let me tell you about Marge Schott, young 'un."
I had a feeling this would be coming out - so glad it's finally here.
If there was a female version of Donald Sterling or Harold Ballard, it has to be Marge Schott.
Yep, except the Reds did win a title under Marge's tenure while the Clippers couldn't even make it past the 2nd round in the Sterling era.
Baseball's Harold Ballard
I think she is the female version of George Preston
@@mcj88 that too
@@mcj88 exactly what was thinking
Marge Scott was the original, "H. Itler did nothing wrong" person?
Wow...did not know that.
I thought she died in the 1990s. Had no clue she lived until 2004.
She died at 74? Damn, she looked at least ten years older
Smokes and booze does that.
She did! She was NOT a picture of health at all!
She looked 74 in 1985
Those mid-late 90s Reds jerseys are still some of the best I've seen aside from the old D-Backs ones.
I once did some work for a jeweler in downtown Cincinnati who happened to provide custom jewelry for the Reds and Bengals. The owners were big fans and had tons of signed memorabilia from the team around their offices. One was a signed letter from Marge thanking them for their years of loyalty and top quality jewelry. Directly next to it was a framed Best and Worst of Cincinnati list from the Enquirer. The jeweler was listed under Best Jeweler. Worst Local Celebrity or Personally went to Marge Schott.
I know this video will be demontised but damn am I happy that you uploaded it , people need to not forget this vile woman, unfortunately seems alot of baseball owners feel the same way, maybe not the racism but definitely not wanting to pay and treating players like cheap property
They make millions of dollars! LOL How were they being treated like cheap property? It sounded like EVERYONE in the organization got similar treatment, so its not fair to suggest it was just the players were treated like cheap property! Sounds like she was a cheap skate! And if there were better options the players should have gone there and let her little empire coming crashing down on her! Really sucks for the residents of Cincy and the surrounding area! Just like it sucks for those who live around DC and have to support that mess of a football team there!
Definitely a pioneer in the field of being bad owners. Always glad to see equal representation in all fields.
Holy shit, I'd never seen the video of McSherry collapsing. That was highly unsettling, to say the least. Only the literal worst kind of person would find a way to complain about that causing the game to be cancelled.
Insert karen (Marge) schott!
I remember listening to an introspective on Marge where it ended with a commentator speaking about her sympathetically only to end with “I flew up to make sure that she did die.”
LMAO! ding, dong the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead!
oh man from what i know about marge schott this video might get demonitized cause of how vile her views were
Already has been.
@@UrinatingTree XD
@@UrinatingTree Not even five minutes after upload
Unfortunately this isn't 2016. UA-cam is paranoid about anything edgy being monetized.
@@UrinatingTree Wow that was quick. 🤣
A great video, but I'm glad to see Tree seems legitimately happy to have found a health product he likes. He's been looking better lately, and that's a big part of the reason why, I'm sure. Happy for him.
It’s never good to speak ill of the dead. However, in this case, it’s understandable.
And this accomplishes what? Its a '2 minutes hate' so everyone can feel like a good person! i hope you enjoyed your 2 minutes!
If this is how we get our baseball fix while the lockout is happening, I'm all for it!
Isn't the lockout over?
@@CybeastID I did. And literally the day after I posted they came to an agreement. XD
@@Radman1889more like not even 2 hours after.
Oh man, I remember that Sports Illustrated article. I didn’t know a damn thing about the MLB back then and certainly didn’t know about Marge Schott. I thought it was cool there was a woman owner of a pro sports team.
Then I read the article and I immediately revised my opinion, at least in her case. Sheesh…
If memory serves, it was that week's cover piece, complete with a horrifying closeup of Marge.
WOW, what an insane story.. this psycho wouldn't last a day in 2022. Great vid though Tree, I love hearing these stories I never knew about. Cheers dude!
Best video to drop on International Woman's month.... a female version of Sterling.
With the cheapness of Harold Ballord
@@dsl32 At least she donated to children and animal organizations. Ballard would liquidate everything and any donating would probably be the hair in his bathtub sink.
I've lived in Cincinnati and been a fair weather Reds fan for like 30 years. I remember people complaining about how cheap she was, but I had no idea Schott was this bad. I think I remember liking the dogs though lol Great video!
You know between Marge Schott and Thom Brennaman i wonder if The Reds should do a background check before allowing people to join the organization
“I like those odds”!
-Pete Rose
As a little kid growing up in Cincinnati when Schott was in charge, I'm pretty sure she's a big part of the reason baseball never grew on me.
This women is somehow weird…. Treated red employees like crap but then gave massive amount of money to dog shelters and cinncy schools. Strange person to say the least
Why? She never had kids & loved dogs, so OF COURSE those would be close to her heart! She wasnt really a business person, so she treated business issues with disdain. Do I think she did the right thing? of course not, i share the same opinion as most people here, minus the blinding hatred! but I think she was consistent with her values, even if those values looked azz backwards, at times!
@@inconnu4961Doesn't excuse her actions
You forgot to mention some of the trades that occurred under Schott's watch:
-trading Paul O'Neill to the Yankees for Roberto Kelly. Kelly lasted a season and a half while O'Neill went on to win four titles in his nine-year stint in The Bronx.
-after trading Eric Davis to LA for Tim Belcher and a pitching prospect, Schott and Bob Quinn send said prospect to the Expos for Dave Martinez. Martinez spent only one season with the 90-win Reds while the prospect became closer John Wetteland. He too would win a ring alongside O'Neill in NY.
-Let's not forget the infamous Jeff Shaw to LA for Paul Konerko deal after Shaw signed a "hometown discount" deal with Cincy.
They also didn’t draft Derek Jeter. I’m not making that shit up
@@sandianexpress1198 I forgot about that one. You can also add drafting outfielder Scott Bryant over both Mo Vaughn and Chuck Knoblauch in 1989.
Shaw was traded the day of the All Star game, i believe- which he was playing in. He had to switch uniforms and borrow a blue belt.
@@craigmergenthal9291 Ouch
That Paul Konerko wasn't all that bad considering Shaw never really reached that peak again. While Konerko would have his best years in another uniform (and have a great career) he was traded to the White Sox for Mike Cameron (had a 30/30 yr and GG calibur year in CF) who would become Ken Griffey Jr one year later
Marge Schott and my grandmother have a lot in common. It’s a surprise I’ve survived this long without her killing me
Let's just remember the Reds actually changed their name to be more "politically correct" before it was popular. For a few years in the mid-'50s, they actually rebranded as the "Redlegs", to not look too supportive of the Soviets during the peak of the Cold War.
Why do I bring this up? To make sure we're aware of history... and thus, hopefully, not repeat it.
Yeah Reds and a Nazi armband don’t go well together
I feel like “political correctness” is just a way to say “tamed down a bit because otherwise people will be mad”.
The Mortal Kombat SNES version is because of American Republicans decrying the violence in the game. That’s “Political Correctness”.
Honestly, Political Correctness is the LEAST of our issues.
didnt they also wear blue
I mean, that was probably the least of the problems of the Red Scare. But at least the team renamed themselves to a fiercely pro-Union unit during the Civil War, something that I'm sure would have irritated the fuck out of Marge if the team had still been named as such while she was the owner.
Whenever I bitch about Castellini, I have to remember that he’s actually an upgrade
Sadly, but facts
This series is useful in educating us on how bad owners are in their respective leagues. I heard that marge was terrible, but oof.
My dad used to tell me stories about mean Marge when I was a kid... the worst owner in sports history. Good on you for putting this underreported story out there Tree, and respect to Dave Parker, Barry Larkin and all the rest!!!👌👍☝
I remember a sports news story about her in the mid 90's (I believe 1996) where a sportscaster was reporting about some of the racist comments that she had made at the time. The reporter started out by saying that Marge Schott had "shot" off her mouth once again. I totally had forgotten about that until this. Thank you Tree!
The only North American sports owner that can compete with Harold the Bastard Ballard
Dan Snyder: Hold my skunky, expired beer.
@@kevinramsey417 I also forgot about Donald Sterling
To be fair she did donate to children and animal organizations.
You guys forgot about Ted Stepien.
nah she's not quite as bad as ballard... might be the worst mlb owner ever though
Even Charles Comiskey would’ve been like, “whoa lady, wtf are you even doing?”
About that McSherry opening day in '96: The Reds haven't won a playoff series since.
The number of people I see defending Marge Schott on Facebook isn’t terribly high but it’s def not zero and that irks me
The thing with the scoreboard, that was a new one for me. I especially loved the lack of self awareness she displayed by saying "I've got to have the worst public relations staff in America." Even if those two things were related I'd probably tell her "you get what you pay for, you cheap hag"
FINALLY, A VIDEO ON MARGE!!!!!
As someone who grew up during the tail end of the Schott era, I can say that cur is certainly ONE word starting with c that you could use to describe her...
She seems like the sort of person who thinks America peaked in 1952 and it's been all downhill since.
Vote republican, we'll be that way again LOL
Awesome video, hope you have more plans of making more videos of terrible owners in sports and maybe NBA teams legacy of failures, the suns might be breaking theirs soon so it would be something perfectly timed
@Fries yes I agree with those opinions for sure, but what about pacers and kings, one them won title over 60 years ago and might legit not win it soon.
I've wanted to do a vid on Hugh Culverhouse for a while. Might finally get to it soon.
@@UrinatingTree I would love to see you go Ham Sandwich on my Washington Wizards. An absolute joke of a boys club that caters to a B-lister in Beal, and has the fans drinking the Leonsis Kool Aid.
@Fries Two words-Washington Wizards. Two terrible ownerships. Our last two GMs are Grunfeld and Tommy “Son of Grunfeld” Sheppard. We refuse to trade Bradley Beal, instead letting him be the next Michael Jordan (which did NOT go well for the Wizards). A plethora of bad trades, drafts, and signings.
@@UrinatingTree Make one on my Hawks after they are bound to continue the long championship drought of 63+ years.
As a Mets fan, I always wondered why Davey Johnson couldn't stick with a team as a manager despite his success. I heard he couldn't get along with ownership, but when you realize he had to out up Schott, Angelos in Baltimore, and the stupid Wilpons, well how can you blame him?
The Harold Ballard of baseball (at least from a sanity point)
Exactly
Everybody laughing at Marge until you realize Dan Snyder almost on her level 😂
If good and bad were represented by volume of a fluid in a cup, but good and bad were seperate cups and not one from which bad subtracted from good in the same cup, Marge Schott would have more fluid in her 'Good Cup' than Snyder has in his. She actually did do a lot of good with her wealth for the city, in health care, sports, natural parks, festivals, education and such. There's a big movement now to get her name off of all of the things her philanthropy has created now though, for obvious reasons.
I won't speculate on who has more or less in the 'Bad cup' though, I came to the city the year that she died- coming from Snyder territory. I just know that they are both firmly 'Bad'.
Nah Schott is more like a mix of Arte Moreno and Harold Ballard
Only thing he's missing is the racism. 😂
So she’s the equivalent of the crazy cat lady from the simpsons as a team owner
Man! I remember reading about her on Wikipedia when I was reading about the Reds' entire history. I read that she was racist, but never imagined that she was an even more horrible person than I discovered. How did anybody continue to work for her after she was so openly blunt??
Nice job. I was a pup when my Dad and brothers worked in the garage on weekends with Brennaman and Nuxhall doing the play-by-play on the AM dial. Those were the days, man.
Schott always rubbed me wrong, even before the Davis' kidney and Million Dollar Nbombs kerfuffles. RIP to her but I'm glad we made it through her.
I remember watching Velodus' video on MS, glad Tree also made his own version
This comes out as the lockout ends… PHENOMENAL
12:49 reporter looks absolutely, dumbfounded
Hilarious and unnerving! I may actually need another assessment of Harold Ballard!
About an hour and a half after this came out, MLB CBA negotiations have finally come to an agreement. Quite ironic, huh?
Imagine having such an ego that you make your GM clean up your dog’s poop
If you ever think the owner of your team is bad, they could always be worse
Harold Ballard and marge Schott will always be the two worst owners in North American sports
Ballard (NHL), Schott (MLB), Sterling (NBA) and Culverhouse (NFL) are the worst owners of All time in respective sports while todays worst owners goes to Melyck (NHL), Nutting (MLB), Dolan (NBA and NHL) and Synder (NFL)
@@jesfel14 Plus every owner of the Texas Rangers (not named W, he tried to improve things).
1:22 Glad you mentioned in subtitles Joan Whitney Payson.
I’m not a fan of the New York Mets (I’m a fan of the Boston Red Sox), but from what I’ve seen of her, she seemed to have been far more sports savvy and loved her teams and sports. She’s a co-founder of the Mets and she DID win the 1969 World Series…and she probably deserved it too…
I don’t believe there were any controversies regarding her on and off the field…no racist comments or Nazi sympathies, the most I could find was her and her husband being upset when the New York Giants moved to San Francisco.
Mets fans, you can thank the San Francisco Giants for helping with the creation of the Mets.
At least the Reds did win a World Series in 1990. That's all they've ever done since.
Thats why so many of us were rooting for the bengals! We realize its been lean times in Cincy!
Gosh, you talk about a person with 2 personalities that are a complete 180 from each other. Even as a Reds fan, and despite she was the owner of the team when they won the World Series in 1990, I think of her as a mix of Dan Snyder, Dean Spanos, Eugene Melnyk, and especially Harold Ballard when it came to the business side of her. but on the other hand, you do kinda have to applaud her being kind to fans, and kids, and supporting many charities, and essentials in Cincinnatti.
Damn she makes sports owners like Eugene Melnek and Dan Snyder look innocent
Growing up as a Rede fan, I heard the the best moniker for her (can't remember where I heard it from)...but they gave her the middle name of 'ottabe' and I'll leave it at that! Thanks Tree for another awesome offering!!!
Growing up in Cincinnati my family never talked about when the Reds won it all when I was an infant. We went to a game or two a year.
Now I know why o_o jfc
As a reds fan we now live with a nazi curse over our ball club. I'm pretty sure richtofen is somewhere under the city still performing expirenents
Lol richtofen……did you just make a cod zombies reference 😂 ah the childhood memories are coming back from this comment you made bro thanks. Heres a like.
In a way, I'm almost glad that Marge never had kids. Having a family that toxic potentially running the franchise...I doubt the team would survive that
I like these character sport profiles! I hope you do more of these! Awesome video
It's not often that I'm at a complete and utter loss for words, this is one of those times. All I can say is HOLY FUCK WOMAN.
Great video Tree. All I could do is laugh at this story. I guess truth really is crazier than fiction
Growing up I only knew of Marge Schott because of Billy West's legendary parodies of her on the Howard Stern Show back in the 90s. There's still some clips on YT if you guys feel like going down a deep, dark humor rabbit hole, but don't say I didn't warn you lol!
Billy West?! What a stupid, phony, made-up name!
Marge Schott didn't die, she just went back to her throne in Hell.
If she was in hell, she’d be on the throne and the devil would be sent packing.
Imagine, an owner that makes Dan Snyder look like The Pope.
Yeah, Pope Alexander the VI
If you don't know, please google. He's exactly the kind of Pope Snyder would be
I feel that as a fervent WWII historian it should be said that owning any axis memorabilia is not illegal nor is it immoral. The stuff is incredibly rare precisely because of the reputation it carries.
That said, everything she said to defend it is pretty disgusting and I won't defend such insensitive remarks.
As a lifelong Red's fan, I was shocked that she didn't drive Marty and Joe out
i really love the deep dives into historical sport content you make like this, idk why but this is the second time watching this paticular one in 2 days and im always looking forward to more! keep it up tree!
I remember Billy West doing an amazing and hilarious impression of her on the Howard Stern Show.
I also remember the Bob and Tom show having somebody do a Marge Schott impression as one of their recurring bits.
Holy shit, I've been waiting for this video for 3 years and I don't really watch baseball often
11:15 is the best of this video
Last time I was this early, Jim Crow was still on the books
Urban Meyer is the worst sports icon in history
Marge: Hold my Reds