@2:12 you make an assumption of 1 morning route and 1 night route. Our schools buses had at least 2 times, one for the highschool and one for elementary and middle. In rural areas where I was from each route was more like 40 to 50 miles with elevation changes of 400 to 800 feet (upstate NY) with temps often below 32.
I was going to say the same thing. Plus some buses will have a third "late" route for the high school students. Plus any routes that may be needed into the evening to support extra-curricular activities (think sports).
LOL soo 100 miles stints with many hours in-between. FYI ELEVATION change anything less 1 MILE has not much effect on range. Seems like you have no clue how how well these battery actually works.
The total cost of ownership at @16:15 does not seem to include the cost of the charging infrastructure. If you expect the buses to charge overnight, the school district's bus yard is going to need to build all those charging stations. Don't think charging a fleet buses at a public charging station would be realistic.
There was a graphic that showed a $20,000 grant/credit in addition to the $300,000+ for the bus itself. Also, the end comparison didn't include any potential Vehicle To Grid savings.
"the school district's bus yard is going to need to build all those charging stations" Yeah thus why companies are developing low power DC Chargers around the 40-60 KW range. These are easily to deploy with many dozens of units thus the total power capacity required is more easily attainable. This just happens to be the perfect charging speed to top a School Buss for handful of hours. Total cost of ownership would incur a COST Benefit in this case.
AFIK North America doesn't do LPG Autogas. They use more inferior CNG which because Propane & Butane mix vs Methane & Ethane mix. Fundamental molecule size problems.
Here in NY they go 80 miles we had a test test drive. We need buses go several hundred miles. Between charging. We do multiple runs on our buses 2 hour charge times are only with fast charging which is another multi grand cost
@@theepichamster1443 I mean you can do the math. Batteries typically cost so much per kilowatt hour, and since the desired mileage is less it's not like these are ridiculously big batteries. No reason I should cost 3x it's no coincidence that the price and the tax incentive is the exact same.
I'm a major proponent of solar panels on all EV roofs, but it seems to many manufacturers & buyers that they don't offer enough charging power & cost too much. However, this could be offset by Vehicle To Grid charging, especially in the summer when the busses don't move & the grid is strained by air conditioning use.
So the coast is three hundred % more per bus. Then the school has to buy the charger for each bus. They have to install each charging station. And then the electricity needed to charge the bus has to be produced by a coal burning electric power plant. So the truth is that it's not really as eco friendly as people believe... Also when the current electrical system is not big enough to supply the current demand the addition of fleets of ev busses will be a bigger strain on the grid... The current cost of electric power is climbing and more demand means more increases in the billing.. So it's more expensive. Doesn't help the environment. And is a huge drain on a already strained electric grid How is it better?
There are grants/credits that offer $300,000+ for each bus & $20,000 for each charger, as shown in the video. The busses would likely be charging during the off-peak times of grid demand, as shown in the video. There are many areas that have electricity generated by wind, solar, or hydro power. There are some valid points on both sides of the idea of EV busses & the actual truth is usually in the middle.
@2:12 you make an assumption of 1 morning route and 1 night route. Our schools buses had at least 2 times, one for the highschool and one for elementary and middle. In rural areas where I was from each route was more like 40 to 50 miles with elevation changes of 400 to 800 feet (upstate NY) with temps often below 32.
I was going to say the same thing. Plus some buses will have a third "late" route for the high school students. Plus any routes that may be needed into the evening to support extra-curricular activities (think sports).
LOL soo 100 miles stints with many hours in-between. FYI ELEVATION change anything less 1 MILE has not much effect on range. Seems like you have no clue how how well these battery actually works.
The total cost of ownership at @16:15 does not seem to include the cost of the charging infrastructure. If you expect the buses to charge overnight, the school district's bus yard is going to need to build all those charging stations. Don't think charging a fleet buses at a public charging station would be realistic.
There was a graphic that showed a $20,000 grant/credit in addition to the $300,000+ for the bus itself. Also, the end comparison didn't include any potential Vehicle To Grid savings.
"the school district's bus yard is going to need to build all those charging stations" Yeah thus why companies are developing low power DC Chargers around the 40-60 KW range. These are easily to deploy with many dozens of units thus the total power capacity required is more easily attainable. This just happens to be the perfect charging speed to top a School Buss for handful of hours. Total cost of ownership would incur a COST Benefit in this case.
0:58 pretty sure Type C buses come in Petrol & LPG drivetrains as well.
AFIK North America doesn't do LPG Autogas. They use more inferior CNG which because Propane & Butane mix vs Methane & Ethane mix. Fundamental molecule size problems.
Here in NY they go 80 miles we had a test test drive. We need buses go several hundred miles. Between charging. We do multiple runs on our buses 2 hour charge times are only with fast charging which is another multi grand cost
"We need buses go several hundred miles" NOT for a freaking SCHOOL BUS. These are not touring coach buses. Stop building the wrong tool for the job.
Can you post the links?
my school just got all of the ion eletrics
That mark up is appalling
It is an assumption and I do not believe it is true.
@@theepichamster1443 I mean you can do the math. Batteries typically cost so much per kilowatt hour, and since the desired mileage is less it's not like these are ridiculously big batteries. No reason I should cost 3x it's no coincidence that the price and the tax incentive is the exact same.
School buses also being used for field trips as well as event shuttle service, no way our electric grid can sustain this amount of electric buses😂😊
add a solarpanel on the roof?
Too much money
I'm a major proponent of solar panels on all EV roofs, but it seems to many manufacturers & buyers that they don't offer enough charging power & cost too much. However, this could be offset by Vehicle To Grid charging, especially in the summer when the busses don't move & the grid is strained by air conditioning use.
Won’t make sense , if there is tree canopy in the suburbs , your solar panels will be damaged for sure
Ummm, where are your provided links at? F-
So the coast is three hundred % more per bus.
Then the school has to buy the charger for each bus.
They have to install each charging station.
And then the electricity needed to charge the bus has to be produced by a coal burning electric power plant.
So the truth is that it's not really as eco friendly as people believe... Also when the current electrical system is not big enough to supply the current demand the addition of fleets of ev busses will be a bigger strain on the grid...
The current cost of electric power is climbing and more demand means more increases in the billing..
So it's more expensive.
Doesn't help the environment.
And is a huge drain on a already strained electric grid
How is it better?
There are grants/credits that offer $300,000+ for each bus & $20,000 for each charger, as shown in the video.
The busses would likely be charging during the off-peak times of grid demand, as shown in the video.
There are many areas that have electricity generated by wind, solar, or hydro power.
There are some valid points on both sides of the idea of EV busses & the actual truth is usually in the middle.
Nope do not get on that Bus
I would be scared that the kids would be burned in a EV fire.
Why would you be worried about that since gas vehicle fires are 100x more likely than an EV fire, illogical
Not likely.
Ahh so you are worried about that but no seat belts 😂.