London's Lost Railways Ep.15 - Bonus Episode!
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- On the trail of London's Lost Railways again, to area where the are old stations and lines which didn't warrant a whole episode to themselves, but we can have all bundled together in one episode here, as we travel to Croydon, Bricklayer Arms, North Woowich, Newbury Park and Edmonton.
Download the London's Lost Railways map here: www.geofftech....
Correction: The junction at Edmonton was to the north of Edmonton Green stations - hence why there were two separate stations! The map incorrectly looks like if you came up the abandoned line, you could call at Edmonton Green, when you can't.
Essential Reading from the Disused Stations website:
Central Croydon - www.disused-sta...
North Woolwich - www.disused-sta...
I feel it crucial to point out that along Mandela way, on the site of bricklayers arms, there was a parcel of land that the owner could not get planning permission to build a set of flats on, so Instead he asked if he could install a tank. The council thought he meant a septic tank, so complied, but the owner actually parked an ex-soviet T-34 war tank with its main gun pointed at the council offices.
yes yes! i actually did that in an old Londonist video back in 2017 .. it's here! ua-cam.com/video/14s2WX0uKow/v-deo.html
Awesome
Stompie
Actually I vaguelly remember seing a Picture of this.
Yes Google is your friend its still there Nicknamed Stumpie. So everyone you need to find and film this tank on your travels.
I love Geoff when he’s aware that we’re all playing BINGO 😂
Some of us had to drink when he said "allotment" instead.
@@thomaslovestrains3333 Hello!
4:50 Next Station: Allotment. Change here for the Geoff Vocab Bingo 😂
Good news about North Woolwich Station. It has a new owner! Indifferent news - it’s an evangelical church which doesn’t usually mean sympathetic upkeep of the premises in line with its character. Still, it’s good to see the building will have some sort of future 👍🏻
Great! I hope it gets listed status.
Hope they can worship the Great Eastern Railway awning and the tank engine turntable mountings as we do.
@@christinaburton9297 It is Grade II listed.
If I had the money I would have bought it and returned it to being a railway museum!
@@jeremybuck1818 lol as if they're going to care, or Newham are going to bother enforcing it.
This series has more endings than Return of the King
Thank u so much for featuring the old Newbury Park line! My old stomping ground! I believe it served the old Plessey factory during ww1
There was a lovely a Museum at North Woolwich. Small but informative with some nice exhibits - including rolling stock. Very interesting line, with its deviation from its original route through a tunnel under the docks. It's nice that the building is still standing.
Geoff, finally you have done the other end of the line to Palace Gates, you may remember I sent you a link to a 1960 video of a run from North Woolwich to Palace Gates.
Always sad to see lines closed or it is for an old but like me.
The mad thing about North Woolwich is that the grand old GER building hadn't been in use as a station building for years prior to the line's closure. It was a museum for quite a while, but there was a grotty little shack next to it that served as the entrance and exit to the station.
I remember visiting the museum, it's a shame it's no longer used as such.
It was a lovely museum; I wish it hadn't closed as my grandsons would have loved it. I went with friends and it was a wonderful day out.
You've informed me of something completely new in this one Geoff...I knew nothing of Central Croydon Station!
@@AnnabelSmyth When my son was very young: about four or five or so, I used to take him on the occasional "mystery tour". he loved traveling on trains and buses so I'd get us one-day Travelcards (early 90s this was) and we'd just travel about all day usually having a visit to a nice big park as the centrepiece. We lived in Canning Town so the trips usually started off going down to North Woolwich and even at that young age, he loved that museum. It was him visiting the area recently who told me it was currently unused and that is a great pity.
Have you looked at some bits of link lines that were not built?
If you travel the Piccadilly to South Harrow just before you reach Roxeth Park, you pass over the Marylebone line to Northolt Park.
It comes via a tunnel from Sudbury Hill Station, but the actual infrastructure there seems incredibly wide?
The reason being that a 2 track formation was allowed for from the then District Line, but never built. The abandoned road bridge over the track at the top of Russell Road also shows additional width for this and where they would have joined, became a coal yard.
Some housing infill has gone on, but you can see where original thinking was....and perhaps should have been?
My Grandparents were from Plumstead and so I have many happy memories of both Woolwich Arsenal and North Woolwich, Victoria Gardens and the old pub opposite North Woolwich Station and then again as the museum with my friends. So sad to think most are now gone or derelict. Thanks Geoff for bringing back those memories.
At this point, Geoff 100% needs his own allotment
Clever idea Geoff, KEEP THEM COMING! I love your content.
I love how he records so much his videos are AWESOMES
Love your vids Geoff!!
The railway used to run a ferry from North Woolwich; I think it was put out of business by the free ferry nearby and closed over a century ago, but the burned out remains of the pier which it served were still there a few years ago, and may well still exist. I haven’t been there for a few years to see.
Thanks Geoff. My Dad grew up near Angel and it was great to see its history.
New series - ALL LONDON'S ALLOTMENTS - coming soon to Geoff's channel! Looking forward to it A LOT!
Following that, London's lost shopping trolleys.
I love Geoff's videos. I find them so calming and informative. I so worry though that when he puts his video camera down for a walking into or out of shot clip some callow youth will run off with it.
Geoff in 2022 ... "There's actually one more episode of London's Lost Railways as I've found a old 105 yard section of track near Waterloo which is now some allotments"
I always wondered why there was no Croydon Central - fascinating to know, thanks!
Geoff, we all love exploring yet another lost railway station.
Ah yes. Newbury Park. I used to use it (and Barkingside and Gants Hill too) as commuter stations on the tube. It is interesting to think that a century ago the train line was the Liverpool Street to Southend line with the run up northwards through there.
Huge thank for your efforts on this series Geoff, fascinating.
Just took a look at north woolwich station on apple maps, their 3D map is in much greater detail. Worth a look
Very cool! It was interesting to see similar naming of railway infrastructure in Edmonton (London) and Edmonton, Canada! Thanks for the great videos, Geoff!
Geoff, great series! A line I don't think you mentioned was the one between Norwood Junction and Birkbeck. I recall seeing a steam-hauled train of wagons and vans coming from Norwood Junction (late 1950s?). The line is shown in the Ian Allan BR Pre-grouping Atlas but oddly not in Jowett's.
woah, hang on wait! was there a curve of track between Birkbeck and Norwood Jcn ?! i'm looking on Google Maps now and it suggests that that might have been the case !?!
... checked on Railmaponline - there was! i had never seen that curve before, nice one! one of the roads there is called 'Bradshaws Close' which is excellent, ha!
Some great insights there Geoff, and good to know there's another other/bonus video! The trail never stops!
North Woowich? On the description. I also love that Edmonton Green station is more Edmonton Orange!
Overground orange I guess.
Geoff apologising that he found content for another lost railways video is utterly charming! Clearly you enjoy making the videos, so don’t apologise for doing what you love, and hey - we love watching them so don’t apologise to us! But what a exciting high to end the video on! Roll on episode 15!!! 🥰
Interesting video professionally made. It's got everything - old platforms, bridges, a shopping trolley, allotments and your comment "We're NOT playing bingo!" really made me laugh.
thank you! i put a lot of effort into these, so thank you.
North Woolwich station is gorgeous
I would love you to do a LONDON'S LOST BUS GARAGES series!
I love all the railway walks you do. I do my own as well. I did the Brentford docks to the heritage line there on my abandoned railway walks. Where Are The Tracks? Keep up the good work
another superb video !
On the GE to Newbury park section if you had done the old bridge on vicarage lane you would of had a shot of the former triangle junction which mostly is now under Greater Anglia seven kings depot.
Hope you enjoyed your walk through N9
Love bonus Geoff and bonus lost railways!
Until it was closed by the pandemic I was one of the projectionists at the David Lean Cinema at the Croydon Clocktower on the site of Central station. If you walk along the lower level part of the Queen’s gardens where the track used to be towards the main road and pass the plaque to your left the old wall turns to the right in front of you blocking the old route, though there’s a hole in the wall forming a subway under the road coming up on the other side near the Fairfield Halls. It can still clearly seen that this part of the brickwork is newer than the original retaining wall.
A part of the line survived after the station closed. It is still shown on old maps passing just under the road, and seems to have served a gravel pit.
Can’t wait for the episode about Brentford ....been there many times still a lot of infrastructure there.. as always great video Geoff
Fantastic! I didn't know about the Edmonton to Angle Road Line. I walked the Bricklayer Arms Line a few years ago and near the football stadium there is still some track in place. Such a shame North Woolwich Station is now derelict, I used to be a lovely museum with steam locos on display and a miniature railway!
Poor old North Woolwich station, looking very sorry for itself. A far cry from the mid 80s when it was an immaculate railway museum staffed by volunteers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Woolwich_Old_Station_Museum
I hope the authorities can find a good use for it that doesn't involve demolition.
Its listed Grade II thankfully.
Just north of the current Edmonton Green is a bridge that looks like the bit where the railway joined where the line to Enfield Town goes-the new buildings adjacent to the Northern end of the station look like they are built on the trackbed that gradually curves toward the shopping centre
You'll love the side by side feature on the National Library of Scotlands website for confirming such things: maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17.87703703703702&lat=51.62625&lon=-0.06059&layers=170&right=BingHyb
The lower level stayed at road level to the east of the present day Edmonton Green station and followed the course of what is now Lacey Close and Acton Close. It traversed the Salmons Brook and joined the Enfield Town line just south of Croyland Road. I should point out that the entire line was single track only.
6:21 and we thought we would never see a shopping trolley again
Great to see Lower Edmonton mentiond Geoff. Bonus fact, when I was quite young I fell off the platform there and broke a tooth. Mum not impressed.
If you travel from Enfield or Cheshunt just before you reach Edmonton Green you can see the lamps and remains of line to low level.
Excellent video as always!
Nice video, keep up the good work!
Great to hear you liked the Brentford recommendation. Look out for Barlow rail in Dock Road...
You missed bits of the Bricklayers Arms Branch. There's the steps up to the old North Kent West signals signal box, the old walls that run the length of Willow Walk and Rolls Road, I think the stables at the junction of Catlin Street and St James's Road might still be there (They were two years ago) plus the buildings you showed in Page's walk also includes the railwayman's cottages and the buildings spill around the corner into Willow Walk.
Just smiled when Allotments showed up in the video! lol But loved the Bonus Episode of London Lost Railways, North Woolwich Station is on my list of places to visit so hopefully when I get down to London I might visit North Woolwich Station.
Should have gone there years ago when it was a museum.
I see North woolwich Station. I click
Ooh! Bonus bits!
Fantastic as ever
Hurrah Thanks Geoff for Junction from Ilford to Newbury Park
A couple of others Beckton and Gallions down to the pier onto Thames
Silver town Tramway
Docks Railway
Tidal Basin and its sudden demise
Out of London Port Victoria
Out of London Tollesbury Kelvedon
Out of London Soutwold Railway
And a new genre Lost Vehicle and Foot Crossing of London Train and Tube Lines
I can think of a few lost vehicle crossing both manned and unmanned plus some foot crossings all nearby to E18 South Woodford
Just like James Bond, London's Lost Railways will return!
I live in Norway, and I`ve only visited London a couple of times. Yet I find your videos very interesting and entertaining. Keep up the good work.
I grew up in Newbury Park! In California though. It's near by Moorpark, California if you can believe it (closer than than the Underground stations are to each other).
@geoff.
The old railway line between woodgrange Road Station and east ham for the goblin line.
The old park use to be goods yard.
I remember going to old north woolwich and going inside the old museum with old steam loco and coaches
Have you covered the line from Deptford to Charlton before the tunnel in Greenwich was built? DLR now uses a part of it. Greets.
Great stuff, and not just for the allotment mention (and yes I cheered 😁). That walk from Angel Road to Edmonton looks surprisingly nice considering how grim Angel Road station and its immediate environs are!
I agree. That whole area used to resemble Beirut High Street.
Metropolitan line to Aylesbury (actual Chiltern Railway) and branch to Verney Junction and Brill, or Northern City line (Moorgate to Highbury) actual Great Northern Railway.
Any trace left of the Surrey Iron railway, or the Crystal Palace vacuum railway? ( Really enjoyed the CP high level, thanks)
This train is the gardener's service to geoff Marshall's bingo session. calling at: a field, tiny allotment, old bridge, slightly larger allotment, old station building, medium allotment, a few more old bridges and finally Geoffs bingo session. This train is formed of a lot of coaches.
Lost Railway Bonus Bits sound like a tasty snack
Quite healthy as well
As a kid, I used to love the single line from the old Custom House station to Silvertown and North Woolwich, through the tunnel, past Tate and Lyle’s and get the ferry over to woolwich. I loved the 70’s and early 80’s!
The hell with Bingo...I'm doing that as a drinking game!
Excellent video but what about Wembley Exhibition railway station which was on a loop and trains ran into London Marylebone 😀
The North Woolwich Station's turntable is, in fact, called a sector plate. It didn't turn 360 degrees, Its purpose was to switch the locomotive from one track to another, saving space. Sorry to be pedantic, love the videos and hope to see many more.
Also not covered by this series are those railways built in Victorian times specifically to transport the dead to cemeteries outside London.
Can we get a extra shout for that bus shelter outside of Newbury Park station
Still ridiculous that there isn’t a new station built at North Woolwich on the Elizabeth Line to serve the airport. Especially when the airport put out a load of happy adverts about the lone coming even though trying to take the Elizabeth Line to London City Airport would take a lot longer than the DLR!
Nice, your videos are amazing
Thanks Geoff. Nice one.
I live in Edmonton Alberta. My daughter in Tottenham told me NOT to wear my Edmonton Nature club t shirt when in your Edmonton area.
Hi Geoff! Love your videos. Since I am not from the UK, I sometimes have a bit of an hard time to locate the place you are talking about on a map. It would be great if you could have a map showing where it is in London (or in the UK for least used station).
Very good Geoff 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Another great video....i noticed my comments on another of your vids had been removed, i wondered if you were going to make a vid about them (New Pk & Brentford)....you have and are! I found the Brentford line to be a quite fascinating line to travel along, at the start is the link into the old AEC works still there, right next to the yard we used as an electrification depot when Acton crews were working the wiring trains for the Heathrow Express service. The branch was worked then on the Ticket & Staff system of control, i believe it still is, the last such use of it on the main line railways!
Interesting: at 2:17 there is a white Mini parked which also appears in the same place on Google Streetview goo.gl/maps/HdBxv5Mca7nzE5A17 - evidently a creature of habit!
I used to use North Woolwich station to get home via West Ham - and also to get to Dalston when I was a kid/teen. I remember once I made the mistake of using it before checking the schedule. I was waiting for so long in the cold that I caught one. I also liked the museum.
Great video Geoff!
Yet another fantastic video - for which many thanks. Quick query (with apology probably). At the risk of outraging many, I am not a football fan, however I have interest in Wembley. Nigel Welbourn, in his excellent 'Lost Lines - London' discusses and illustrate the station built for the Empire Exhibition in 1924/5. Uninspiringly eclipit (sp. ? - a good scots word meaning named) 'Wembley Exhibition' for the duration, it was renamed 'Wembley Stadium' in 1948 - eventually. Now gone, of course, does this modest loop qualify as a Lost Railway? Apologies if I have missed /failed to find a video already in your magnificent repertoire. Tangentially, at the time of the Empire Exhibition in Glasgow in 1938, the LMS constructed a temporary halt called 'Bellahouston Park' - the site of the exhibition, to supplement its permanent - but now closed - Ibrox Station. Weirdly, about half a mile from the temporary Bellahouston Park station on the Paisley Canal line , whose existence has been chequered. A new station, called Drumbreck has been opened. Work that one out! Please keep up the great work. PS Living in Troon we are graced by James Miller's mock Tudor station. However, a favourite drive is north up the coast road to enjoy the magnificence of his terminus at Wemyss Bay!
So here I was, having a delicious meal of railway smorgasbord, tasty morsels of Marshall arts, tickling my early childhood Londoner...and an earlier request of mine for the Brentford Three Bridges Line to this string is answered: Brentford Docks, next stop!
Memories of my Southall childhood will finally reach the end of the Brentford line, albeit I don't think passenger service went any farther south than Brentford town, which is as far as we ventured as kids down the line from Southall.
I had scoured Google maps and satellite view, and could only see probable alignments, nothing discrete, so for Geoff to announce he'd found 'evidence on the ground' and will be presenting it is incredible news.
I emigrated to Canada back in the late Fifties, albeit my family returned to the UK some forty years back. But not London, to Somerset and Devon.
Being the brash North American of the offspring, I stayed in Canada, but I have worked sojourns back in London since, and have walked about Southall fitting memories to what's still extant.
This is really special, Geoff. Many thanks in advance.
6:32 A TfL station, that is not a London Underground station, that is called Edmonton Green, but not served by the green London Tramlink, but the orange London Overground. So we have an Orange sign that says "Green". Confusing, isn't it?
Awesome video
Thank you so much for doing this video. The Newbury Park bit is very special to me as my grandparents lived in Glebelands Avenue from about 1940 until they died (1980s and 2002), and my mother was born in the house there, just beyond the substation from where you spoke. Mum remembers the old railway at the bottom of the garden very well from her childhood in the 1940s. Living in Devon now, it is great to see the old place (I remember as a child having to jump up to catch a glimpse of the tube lines coming out of the tunnel on the Eastern Avenue bridge). Now fast approaching 80, I showed mum this on Sunday when I visited her, and she thought it was wonderful to see the old places she remembered so well from her childhood and beyond.
The tube trains used to pass about 8ft below my grandparents' dining room and would make the whole house shake. A bit alarming if you weren't used to it!
lovely comment, Daniel. thank you!
Ah this is a 13 episode series with 14 episodes a bonus episode and one more. Just like the old Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy 4 book Trilogy in 5 volumes. Is this a British tradition I am not aware of?
Great video Geoff, exactly as expected. What's the next series? Got to have my fix! Simon T
Of course my question will be 'where was the Bricklayers Arms that the station was named after?' Looks like it was the one at 37-39 Old Kent Road, no longer standing either.
This is like a gift that keeps on giving! You find some pocket change in your laundry, you go a bit further, and look, more change!
A Brilliant Bonus Episode, thank you Geoff.
You found yourself in Millwall country visiting South Bermondsey station
I can help you to see how to the stations were before. You just need to download Google Earth pro, and you can now turn back time until 1945/85 to 2021 . LG Not Us
woah! for real? i thought that was just Street View where you could do that
@@geofftech2 You need to zoome in and the on the left bottom of the screen you see a button saying "1985". If you click on that you will have a option to turn back time.
LG not us
The Enfield Town line is my nearest train, so I used to take it daily. The Edmonton Green area is so strange, this explains quite a lot.
Read my entry above.
what about the part from blackfriars to holborn viaduct?
Every time I walk over a bridge, I look below, anxiously,
to espy allotments...
If you do a sequel to the bonus bits, you should mention the old coulsdon north station in croydon
So excited there was an allotment!! 😂
You've missed the SR (LB&SCR) Battersea Wharf which stood on the south bank of the Thames between Chelsea Bridge and Grosvenor Bridge. So near at Bricklayer's Arms as well.
Map in this thread.
www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/115239-lbscr-battersea-wharf-any-photos/
1993 photo at...
flic.kr/p/2kZzDsZ
Thanks for that link. Found maps and photo links fascinating. :-)
Ah, the old Metropolitan/tram loop at Wembley Stadium wasn't worth including in the bonus video it seems.