Collecting Vinyl Records, thoughts about being your own boss and what to buy. VC / Vinyl Community
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- There are tons of videos telling you what you should buy, what are the classics, etc...
Is this really what we need, is this really healthy, isn't it making the whole VC more homogeneous and conservative?
Here are my disjointed thoughts about that, with some music talk in the process.
Agree, disagree, discuss, never behave.
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Love the vid! Great topic. Hope you are well! Man, that Temperature Drop sounds so cool.
And I remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard Loveless. It changed me.
It really is a good little record. Glad if this resonated with you, as it's not always easy to express slightly complex thoughts in a foreign language, but hopefully I did decent, and some people for whom this might be a little empowering or helpful will happen to see this ^^
@@therevrockinrollin Loveless, I instantly loved it on the radio, but I didn't like all songs, it kinda was 50/50 for me, already a great ratio, hahaha
These were some of the most informative 48 vinyl community minutes I have discovered in a while. Thank you. And Thank you, Static Traveller for referring me to this channel.
Stunty, I don’t think I really understand that point where you talk about people goong after recommendations made by reviewers on YT or elsewhere. What’s wrong with that? I know collective minds always tell better than the opinion of one, but here we are not really there. We all know there are many good records, but I think we can also admit we keep discovering new stuff to listen to here. I listen to music since I was a kid, I got recommendations from “the influencers” of that time - a TV show, a radio show, some magazine, a friend, etc. Maybe I missed the point here, but if this is what you wanted to say, I don’t find it wrong. Thanks for your shows, very informative as always! Peace and get well!
May I ask if you’ve watched the whole video, or read other comments? I hoped the point would have come across more clearly, even if it is multi layered. Cheers
Good thoughts about developing an own style, finding albums that fit yourself.
Great video, Stunty. I always appreciate recommendations and constantly sample and investigate new-to-me artists when quality and intriguing descriptions exist - a talent I lack! Cheers, Jeff
Hey Jeff, don't sell yourself short! I guess the main point of this video was to trust your own ear, go investigate yourself, don't rely too much on others, the journey will be more dangerous, and exciting! I'm sure you understand the idea ^^
This is such a great video ... I think record collecting is sometimes about creating a narrative, finding connections between seemingly disparate genres, and making a statement about what you believe is essential in music. You, and many of the VC members who are most entertaining, are trying to confront orthodoxy with your collections. An archive of records is really an argument of records.
An argument of records, what a lovely image, and weapon!
“. …. _What does it mean to own a classic record if you do not have a personal connection to it, a gut feeling towards it_ ….❤️
Stunty I love these topics. And your advice is good to find your own musical path. The human desire to follow the pack is built-in. We all need to fight it on occasion. Charles
Which brings us to another topic I plan to soon tackle : fighting the urge to be a fan, or completist.
@@StuntrockConfusion Heh heh... *TOTAL* waste of time (and money!) As per my comments above, WHY...? That is one thing I've NEVER EVER understood. Being a 'Completist' Just don't understand it. If you like an album or an artist, fine. But, just buying EVERYTHING they do..., for what...?
@@latheofheaven Supporting an artist still really active that you really love, that I can understand and relate to.But even so, htere are limits. I will always try to listen to a record before I purchase it. And if it doesn't do it for me, pass!
Appreciate your ruminations on the dilemma of essential records. It should always be ones personal journey and relationship with the music. There will always be taste makers that push and promote the narrative and stories of records. I think most people ( I assume) buy records to capture a feeling or return to a moment in time. Then there is the rest of us who do the same but go deeper. Maybe because I'm older but I would never push my essential records on anyone. Glad you are doing well. Thanks Stunt for the video.
It’s fine to share your favorite records. It’s just that the VC has become increasingly preachy, and so because it unfortunately works!
For me it is as listening to The John Peel show.. so many bands I discovered and loved I bought because of this.
You’re giving away the secrets. Let the people all chase the same sixty jazz reissues while the few stay ahead of the zeitgeist or just go their own paths. Haha!! Hope you’re doing well!! Cheers, Jon
Right after that, I started to watch the second season of that TV show called Russian Doll, and gyuess what, they used a song from one of those hungarian LPs I just showed. 100% Zeitgeist, I couldn't believe it!
@@StuntrockConfusion you are 100% right about the new paths opening up. I’ve seen it happen about five or six times on the rock’n’roll side of things. Always best to be ahead of the pack!! Cheers!!!
I'm rather new to your channel. Discovered it through your livestreams with Michael 45. Your words here describe exactly what I think about the current state of the record collecting community. I will always be a music lover first and a record collector second. Why collect stuff if you need others to tell you what to get? I don't have hardly any of the "must have" records people are talking about, but my collection says a lot about me. And when I browse through my records I get filled with emotions thinking about all the good stuff that's in there and when I found this or that record. Also, being interested in new music and supporting artists and labels who are doing new things, taking things further or in different directions... that is also important to me. Thank you for doing this!
Thanks for the kind words. It seems many people from the VC are either somewhat new to the hobby, or took a long break and returned more or less recently. And yes, this can be a community, and most people want to belong, in general. It may takes a little courage to break from the loud flock, and it doesn’t mean you can’t still be part of it if you want to. My record collection is insane, to me, and maybe only just to me. But as you’ve stated, that’s the only thing that should really matter. If it impresses others and you enjoy that, fine, but it’s just another added. Minor dimension. UA-cam is a visual medium foremost, so if you only show records no one knows about, it can be a little frustrating, as the sharing experience isn’t complete, which is why so many probably focus on widely accepted releases, an orobouros. MVH
@@StuntrockConfusion I am just glad that there are a few who bring up more obscure and varied stuff. I have my ways of finding new music, but it can often lead to more of the same. So, to find things I like from artists, labels, genres that I am not so familiar with, a channel like yours is fantastic!
Excellent. Baudrillard claimed that current society has replaced all reality and meaning with symbols and signs, and that human experience is a simulation of reality.
I believe this can relate to these classics that people want to project a certain image but may not actually enjoy. It's the symbol of the classic and not the music itself.
Roland Barthes and Edgar Morrin are also very useful philosophers in those regards, but of course, Baudrillard, glad you mentioned him!
This is the video that prompted me to sub your channel. I have been collecting records since I was a teenager in the 1960s, and I couldn't agree with you more. Buy records because you like the music, like the band, because it moves you, or whatever. But, don't buy records because you watched a video by someone you don't know who said you 'had' to buy this or that for whatever the reason. Let the music move you. Great video. Rock on.
Sometimes- even more than just sometimes, actually - the VC can feel a little cultish. It’s all friendly and smiley, but it can make history feel scripted, and make you forget about the fact that you are a music lover, not an archivist 😅 glad to hear this resonated with you!
@@StuntrockConfusion VC poet laureate
I had no idea there have been certain single pressing runs of 20, 100, 500, etc. I had no idea about how repress runs are pressed in a quantity based on license duration. I had no idea why a record was released on a particular label and then released on another label. That is golden information for anyone getting brain damage from looking through Discogs and teaching themselves about a record they have in hand or a record they are researching.
An analogy here is fine art prints and fine art photography. It’s the same practice. This explains why in tourist areas there are print (litho and silkscreen) dealers selling Warhol, Haring, Lichtenstein and Miro prints for $1K, yet an original print is auctioned at Sotheby’s for $100K.
That original print is analogous to the 1X original vinyl pressing. In the US those originals came out of a few regional plants (Pittman, etc) at one time; and then they stopped. Then the re-press license. Then the re-masters from specialty pressers like Analog Productions and MoFi.
Michael. Remember though, that most records, more than 99%, will only ever get one single pressing, ever. looking at the MoFi, AP, etc is a little mioipic view of the market
@@StuntrockConfusion True. And very true for the Japanese market, where I retired to (with one pressing and another a decade later). And true for the independent and boutique labels which you featured in your video.
But it’s the mass market consumer titles; the western pop and rock & roll multi-pressed variants; that’s where many people start collecting from and get thoroughly confused.
Oh, absolutely I set the boutique audiophile manufacturers apart from this.
But you get into popular recordings that you yourself have grown out of, and I’m embarking on a similar path to get away from. The whole Led Zeppelin, Derek & the Dominos, Blind Faith, etc. Those have hoodwinked newbies to throw good money after bad and get frustrated or gotten convinced that only a rapacious $100 USD is the amount to spend on a single record. And that taints the hobby in my opinion.
Another good one Stunty. Love your philosophy man.
Glad that resonated with you!
well said, stunty. as my favorite anti-authority figure, i'm looking forward to your 2021 summary video ;)
Manuel, you earn a red dot for sabotaging my whole argument.
Hey, wait a minute ... This vid is over 45 mins. and you never once petitioned for AAA Beatles reissues!? Don't you want the "Powers that be" to see this and decide on a way they can make more 💰 off you??? Just kidding, Stunty. Your videos are always truly educational and informative without being an infomercial for the likes of Chad Kassem. Keep it real!
Thanks, Rainbow, appreciate the support. If that one generates enough interest, I will continue on that path, as I have lots of other thoughts and rants, hahaha
A great example of what you are talking about is Trout Mask Replica. I don't know how many people in the VC have that album and hate it or don't get it. They most likely have it just because they heard about it in the VC. I picked up some Keith Jarrett CDs for a dollar a piece yesterday. I never hear about him in the VC, (I don't follow many VC UA-camrs) but he's one of my favorite pianists. It's funny because many times I hear suggestions of "great musicians" in the VC and when I check them out I don't really get the hype. I wish I had more experimental albums, but I buy cheap so a lot of my collection is just what I run across.
Trout Mask is a good example, but it largely predates the VC. I remember reading articles in the early 90ies, in rock magazines, on how important it was to understand it and it’s brilliance. Good musicianship wouldn’t be a cardinal point as far as I’m concerned. So many prog rockers and modern pop composers are incredibly skilled musicians, and yet largely fail when it comes to relevancy and the so crucial sense of “danger”, for lack of better words.
Trust your ears ! Nice dig at the who stunty! 😎😀
You know it ;-)
You like what you like. Popular not always good
Good not always popular. The VC clique of these are THE records is tiring.
Hey Stunty, loved this video, mate. Spoke to me a lot, something I think about all the time... what does my music collection say about me (not specific to format, as I think that some music is better on a specific format, i.e. ambient on tape, jazz on vinyl, etc - just my opinion). I am a big fan of Jazz from Japan, so I spend a great amount on money on some of the LPs, and I always wonder if an album is worth $200 + because it has never been reissued.
Great topic and at the end of the day, there's a massive difference between collecting and being a music fan - the same way there is a difference between audiophiles and music fans (to quote Thurston Moore - "Audiophiles listen to their sound system, music fans listen to the music"). Thanks again for talking about this.
PS: that Music Of Transparent Means - "Chord From The Second Delphic Hymn / Emerging Like An Infant From The House Of Truth" LP totally rules, I got a copy locally - the record owner was playing it in the background, so immediate purchase on my behalf!
Wow! you're lucky to find it in a store. They currently have another album on preorder
I dont own any Beatles, Stones, etc. O do have Ibeyi, oumou Sangere, Ryuichi sakamoto, Ray Blk, Nao, Cleo Sol, kokoroko, Loyle carner, Ezra Collective.
Very enjoyable, Stunty. I think like other expressions of art some classics are deemed so because of the impact they make socially-culturally. I think you address that point when you showed Nevermind. I have a copy of Closer and also My Bloody Valentine's Loveless. These latter albums (especially in the case of Loveless) were purchased based on reputation more than any direct connection I had with the music. They were not part of my own musical biography when they first appeared. Radio (both AM and FM) played an incredibly important role in exposing me to all sorts of music growing up. Certainly the records my parents had were not deemed "cool" --- and so it was left to me to embrace groups and singers that I discovered via radio and of course via my peer group - i.e., various friends growing up. Therefore, the Beatles and Jesus Christ Superstar, and Pink Floyd etc... etc... became part of my own musical identity --- thus paving the unique musical path I know walk. #NurseWithWound 🥰
Yes! The thing to remember - and to aspire for, IMHO - is that amending that musical biography should always be pursued, as it is self growth. You only have to remember the reason you do it is for you, and not to satisfy others, or to belong. It can be part of the equation, but not the main trigger. ^^
Ahhh... a personal weakness of mine. I have always been something of a people pleaser.😥
@@rachelsghost you won’t be surprised when I tell you that’s a character trait I share. But with music, I’m liberated from that 🖖🏻
Hehe 🥰❤
Stunty, I found the music you were playing very hard to dance to! Very interesting points. So true that when I was younger I really had to rely on magazines to learn about music. I one time I bought about 10 music magazines a month. Of course when this happened I was relying on the opinions of others. So many albums I passed on only to hear it later and wondered what kind of drugs the critic was on lol. I love my Boody Valentine in the flood and did not find it to save the vinyl, big disappointment but life is full of disappointment. Lol.
Steven, I want a video of you dancing to that music,you have to! Glad I got a chance to share these views with you, as I feel you might have been open to those. And just get a reissue of MBV, you know you want it!
@@StuntrockConfusion Absolutely! 👍
Hi Stunty - Great video and topic. As the song says 'you can go your own way' but you don't need anyone telling you need own a Fleetwood Mac album - or any other record for that matter. Personally, I fall in love with with pieces of music on various levels and then search out the record. Streaming has made it easier for me to only buy the music that moves me. Who has the space or the money for records that hardly ever get played? Maybe I'm a record listener rather than a record collector? Cheers - D
David, how healthy of you! Hahaha. Some records can be useful as objects, totems that withold the emotions and angst you accumulated in experiencing those, now just by act of seeing them on your shelves. Sometimes that can be good, another and maybe longer discussion ^^
You make some interesting points. One thing that is special about music is that it is an entirely subjective experience. There is no permanent physical outcome like a painting or sculpture to critique. Perhaps that is why we fetishise the record as object instead, as if it is the music it carries. I suspect for most of us in most cases what we think of as classic is centered around what we were listening to when we were 15 or 16. I was that age when Closer came out having just discovered John Peel so it was and still is a very important record to me. Nevermind I liked but it wasn't important to me in that I already knew a lot of the music that influenced that record (Pixies) so it didn't sound very different or that special to me. I agree with you about buying records - it's more fun to take a chance on something that is obscure and relatively cheap rather than spending a fortune for a deluxe reissue box set of something that you already have. Even my favorite music I don't need 17 different takes or demos or live versions of the same song.
And that’s another point, this fad with bonus cutting floor material that fills those costly reissues, and that too often imho lessen the original work. The recent Coil’s Love Secret Domain 3XLP comes to mind
@@StuntrockConfusion the main reason I went for the WaxTrax reissue even tho I’m in the UK and it cost me more!
@@eelponna3145 a man of my heart. I wrote about that on Discogs, and got some weird stubborn attacks there, hahaha
Like that Oscillation record. How awesome to see that NWW, 1 of 25 yowsa. Good topic and discussion. Finding new music that is outside of general opinion can actually be tough when you're being bombarded with music from every angle. That is something I'm trying to do myself. Finding interesting records that aren't already "tainted" for lack of a better word by others opinions. It does seem like a more worthy to spend your time and money. More rewarding to blaze your own trails than to follow along others' paths. That said, I really want to grab that Leila Bordreuil!
I have two copies of that Oscillation EP, somehow, but only one of the LP. Glad you liked the topic, I felt I needed to say those things, even if I guess it doesn't matter, as I'm just a tiny channel. But about the Bordreuil, I dare think I'm not preaching, that you all still have the possibility of hating it, as it''s only been slightly tainted by my own very new seal of approval.
@@StuntrockConfusion Well it has been ordered, the Bordreuil, so I hope to dig it
Really liked The Oscillation! 😊 Good stuff. Well, FWIW I've been collection vinyl for over 40 years and I've honestly never understood how all these people just go out and buy everything new. For example, on the Steve Hoffman Forums where are great and I've learned a lot there, during say the release of the KISS remasters, I thought it was so odd that just about everybody who posted bought EVERY album. Almost everyone was buying EVERY album. I have never understood that. Yes, there are SOME of theirs that I like or newer releases of ones that I don't have AND happen to like. But, EVERY album...?
So, in buying albums I've always ONLY bought what I really like. I always think it is so funny when people say, 'Oh I have 5000 albums and there are a lot I don't even listen to and I have to get rid of' I'm like... Well, WHY did you buy them in the first place then...? Silly... AND wasteful. So, the 2400 or so that I've collected I know I like and I pretty much will keep.
As far as trying 'New Stuff'... About 25+ years ago my friend and I would go to all the used record stores here in the San Diego area. It was a lot of fun. And, many times I would go through the $2-$5 section and just grab a bunch of albums of which I knew absolutely NOTHING about. If the group or album name caught my attention, or the artwork on the cover, or especially the song names, I would go ahead and get it. So, even to this day I still have all of those, groups that still are unheard of but some really good stuff! 😁
Like you say, we definitely need to just listen and find out what we like. I still appreciate these VC 'Authorities' when they suggest albums that they really like, but honestly MOST of the time I just don't care for these supposed 'Classics' I do NOT like Dylan, or generally speaking Tom Petty. I like a few of the Stones songs. I absolutely just do NOT care for Singer/Songwriter stuff, which pretty much eliminates a *LOT* of what most people buy and talk about. NO interest... I would say that out of all the albums that are suggested on the Steve Hoffman Forums, there are maybe about 5% TOPS that I end up liking and/or buying. So yes, you are quite right. I didn't realize that as you suggest that there are SO many people that just BLINDLY follow what others suggest. I certainly do not see any genuine benefit from that at all...
Nice philosophical stream of consciousness BTW! 👍 I heard about you through Michael the 45 RPM guy. Oh, BTW I have had the original Loveless (and their other original releases) ever since they came out 😊 DAMN good group! LOVE the Shoegaze stuff (as well as some of the Ambient stuff you were playing) I'm most definitely going to check out The Oscillation.
I think you won the debate whereas with others you'd might get talked down and spoken over by sheer volume. I started making music because there wasn't anything out there and I'd had enough of the usual pub fayre. That's not to blow my own trumpet because I instantly dislike hearing my own music once compiled but warm to some bits of it over time. I still have to be in the mood too. Do we listen to like what you showed e.g. nevermind because others do? I think in the VC your point i agree with, the same old same influencers. Free thinking has gone out the window and left the building. I will make even more of a concerted effort to find things now I feel invigorated ☺️
Thank you for your passionate message, I couldn't hope for a better response. Now, we march onto the non believers, and hope to get many POW!
couldn't agree more with your reflections. the whole question of what records and the fetish with editions etc. is almost obscene as music separated from personal experience and life is pointless. your SAWII example is excellent because that record at the time was a profound experience, also communal in that we shared the record (probably on tape first) with friends via copy or lending and it was a soundtrack to the city and reflection of my psyche at the time, yet my present self no longer identifies with. indeed it was someone else who lived it and that moment with love/experience and even the place itself is lost in time. anyway, back to work. cheers friend
The moment might mostly be lost here as well, until I see the object/catalyst/totem on my shelves, which time travels me back to that emotional state I otherwise can’t really reach anymore. Which might be a good thing 😅
@@StuntrockConfusion ahaha absolutely. ultimately i like the idea of attracting or being attracted to music as an explorer, with a purpose but not knowing what lies ahead. never liked gatekeepers although there is something to be said about initiation i suppose. cheers
Joy Division is for teenagers, I was a fan aged 16 or so. Lovely', great label! I was listening to Star Jaws yesterday, not essential, but interesting. You are right about the ''fancy reissues'' of Lp's that can be found cheap, or have numerous pressings, that sound much the same, not good value to put it midly! Usually poor music as well of course.( I don't have any records by the Stones, Petty or Dylan........horrible, I could not look myself in the mirror). Yes, VC very mainstream, but have been quite a few alternative folks over the years, probably most have left?
For Teenagers? In a way yes, I don't feel the need to put it on as often as before. What to get from it at its most, I indeed already got it back then. But we aren't machines, yet, and a certain level of totemism can have its purpose. As you already know, I'm mostly with you on most of those acts, but I don't see the point in berating anyone who has a genuine love for those. Just don't sell us those as universal beacons of whatever you feel those are.
@@StuntrockConfusion Beating?> I'd advocate torture then hanging, if repentence is not forthcoming. Dylan has long interested me, in a sense he's anti music, if you think about it. Should have stuck to poetry.
I suspect Joy Division suffered due to the New Order effect- an unlistenable band, from the little I'd been exposed to. I recall hearing Transmission in 79' then going out to buy it the next day or two, it really stood out at the time. So distinctive, intense, urgent sounding. But a few years later it seemed less impressive. I had their 1st Lp for a while, but sold it, too many 'fillers'. By the age of 18 I was moving away from indie/alternative music. which is primarily for teenagers, or made by them even.
VC has a lot of collectors Stunty, who are not always that interested in music. But it is a shame that folks are still by and large buying the same types of muzak sold in large quantities before. Jazz is especially depressing, the more average or poor lp's tend to get repressed for big money these days. I sell vinyl, everytime someone orders a Led Zeppelin Lp I die a little!
@@miketomlin6040 you know what, I actually agree with you on the first Joy Division album. I still think Closer is in a whole different dimension. The track Decades is a good example of that. Not trying to put on the same scale as a Stockhausen piece, though, obviously. But that’s to say there are different parallel scales, and I must say I wouldn’t agree with you on Dylan. But to each his own, and let’s try to not reproduce the authority figure dynamic here as well 🙃
As you appear to be a fan of both Nepzene and electronic music, I will recommend the album Loverecord by Sebestyen Marta. Also their Christmas album, with breakdancing music for Magyar baby Jesus.
Thank you For both recommandation, appreciate, even if I already have both Szerelmeslemez and Karácsonyi Magyar Népdalok in my wantlist, haha. I do have Dúdoltam Én and might play it in my next video, as well as Hongrie: Le Dernier Passage on Ocora, featuring her, the Mártha István LP and all those Muzikas as well ^^Truly one of my favorite discoveries of the past two years.
Oh, BTW... Do you happen to like Spacemen 3 or The Black Angels...
I often say the Spacemen 3 are one of my top 3 favorite bands, certainly amongst the most inspiring. I also got most Spectrum, EAR, Darkside, etc, and the early Spiritualized stuff. Before Ladies and Gentlemen.
The Second Black Angel LP is a huge favofite. But I don't like the others as much, far from that.
Well put, Stunt. 🙂
How DARE you tell me what to buy, Stunty!!! 😤😂
Michael, you're an american, you need authority figures, I might as well be the one and get the spoils of war from... wait... what is it I'm getting from you again? Oh.... oh well...
@@StuntrockConfusion 😂
@@MichaelPilmer and the fact that I actually was doing the opposite, advocating for that, and that you still managed to understand this the polar opposite way makes you deserve nothing but utter and total submission! You shall from now on solely purchase Bruno Mars and Ed Sherman albums!
@@StuntrockConfusion - Thank you, sir!
Hi Stunty, I am more and more into 'chanson', I love Serge Reggiani, Leo Ferre, Gainsbourg,... Trenet.
Have you tried Brassens yet?
@@StuntrockConfusion Of course, how can I forget. 😀In Belgium chanson was important, even in Flanders. The VC is much to focused on English speaking music 😀
Do you know ARNO. He just died. Also famous in France.
@@koenraaddm2582 I did see that. Not a fan, though, but if you like this kind of rough on the edge vocals, I do love Colette Magny, like a french female ARno, super left wing, with free jazz, and musique concrete.
@@StuntrockConfusion Don't know her. Will check it. I really love Arno's more intimate songs. His last were with a French pianist. His last record I mean. In Belgium he is famous for his band TC Matic. I never go to concerts but my wife is a much bigger fan so I saw him a few times. Like 2 months ago. :-) It's taste of course but his shows were very good. Even as a very ill man he was very good. Very authentic. Must be nice to have such a legacy at the end I think. At the end of the show it was more up tempo. So everybody stands, except me, too shy, especially sitting 2 meters in front of him. In the spotlights. :-) And I think he noticed it not standing up. So my thought go 'how rude of me' :-) Hope you are doing well. Cheers Koenraad
I’ve been waiting years for SAWII to be reissued by Warp - I’ve heard RDJ doesn’t like it and refuses the reissue - so perhaps an official reissue will never happen. Unfortunate as it’s his best work amongst a catalogue of brilliant music.
Eel, I'm starting to think that Druqs might be his best, hence why it took so long to realse more work (sub par in my opinion)
I agree with you on almost everything - especially being your own boss and not following others' ideas of what the 'essential albums' are. I also think people really fall in to a trap if they only want audiophile pressings - this is such a narrow range of stuff that comes out on those pressings and if you look at a lable like MoFI, its enough to turn your stomach, taste-wise. That is some real conformist s***. I would be so bored if I had to listen to that music all the time. However, I do think reissues are super important in a lot of cases, and I am definitely waiting for them. That Aphex Twin LP you have for example - I can't pay $300 plus for it on the secondary market so am dying for a reissue. And during that time that I am waiting - I hate when I have to see others flaunting their copies around!! No offense ; )
Don’t hate me ^^ I get what you are saying about reissues, but over time, my perspective has evolved : if something is unreachable, I focus on the stuff that is reachable, or potentially so, or brand new stuff. I’ve just grown to accept that some records will be epic quests, in terms of money or time, or both. It tends to make me build a stronger connection with those as well, but not necessarily. I do value my cheapos as much 😇
@@StuntrockConfusion I could never hate you : ) My problem is that through my whole teenage and young adult years - which I think were roughly same time as yours - I was buying only CDs. What I would give to have had all of those in vinyl instead! But during those times, I didn't know a soul who was buying vinyl in suburban Maryland. I don't think I even knew that vinyls were still being pressed. At the time I didn't care, but now it irks me to have so many beat up jewel cases.
@@quinnmarshall8653 I was buying vinyl and CD up until 1997, when I was buying vinyl every time given the choice. I started to go back and buy vinyl records of which I already had the CD, only a couple of years later I think. Before that, I was buying whatever format was the cheapest, and in the early 90ies, it often was the vinyl record.
Agree Stuntwhack. I'm sick of idiots telling everyone what the ten best jazz records are to start a collection, they're always the same ten, and most of them are worn-out sponges. Here's a sirloin tip 'Kind of Blue' is boring as all get-out.. If MIles was here, he'd say get over it. 'Nevermind' is, and always has been a piece of poo.
Maybe a piece of poo, but who doesn't like that specific poo flavor every now and then, that one that opened the door to a yet forbidden realm?
@@StuntrockConfusion The Dead Boys opened that door in 1978, since then it's been opened and closed so many times by the time Kurt Insain came around it was already over.
@@BattManion1979 What the hell are you talking about? The Dead Boys are poo poo!
@@StuntrockConfusion Haaaa!! Cheetah Chrome is my brother-in-law he will get you for this!
@@BattManion1979 As we say in France, un prêté pour un rendu ;-)
Hi stunty I just watched your insights of being a record collector and get your points.life is too short these words after what could have been happened to you..
We own nothing and everything what was given to US is a Bonus there is no forever but the moment when you turn down the Tone arm and See how it moves on the record with the needle runs the grooves.then we are caught when the music we are Listen to turns into Gold what we always liked to have in Our head.and then suddenly we Holding Our breath because we need to change into side 2 that we cant await to continue too.and the adventure goes on and on and we loosing Our timefeeling.we a caught and temporaly MAD.this habit makes US addicted and Our braincells are working incorrectly then you should Start to calm down.and stop the madness.the musicindustry manipulate you and makes you want to own the hottest shit.well rare Pressing in 50/75 hundred get it get it now or you will be a loser because the other will be quicker.get the Red or Orange or blue vinyl Release or them all the pockets of the musicindustry will thank that they already has take your last bucks from you.when will we say no and going into the right direction.well i know i will Not get all these Releases because there hundreds ,thousands even Million still in the wild.to be happy is easy when or if you reach the longing am.its like a game you play and you make your own rules its up to you.thats why i say less is more.sometimes when i switch through my shelves by finding the right record to play i cant even remember all and then i feel guilty because want to buy New one again instead revisiting the old ones again .how bitter however how we chase for records and then the longing sinks. To restrict myself without stopping the Habitus and beeing a smart and quite cool recordcollector .thats whaT i want...
Best for you specially be well
Bodo
Bodo, don't you think that after a while, you can start to master a sort of deep listening, when you have a real focused listen to a record, one, and then, that record becomes a part of you, so much so that just seing it on your shelves can summi the emotions and memories from that deep listen? FOr me, it works quite often that way, The visual stimuli of the actual record being a huge help.
Thank you for your points.its happened just sometimes that i forget a record i have.as i have around 9000 in my home.and yes i know recordcollectors they owning a couple of hundred records cant remember them all andthey having dificulties by running to compare their written notes that they dont buy doubles. As i had owned in my lifetime probably 20000 records.it feeled like in my early record collecting times like you have to manage them. When i Started buying records there Was no many TV Stations,nointernet only Radio or music magazines with such horrendous Reviews you just can shake your head just stupidity .but in the City were about 20 recordshops never any Lack of records.so i experimenting with records and gave them a try until i decided to purge them or keep them.records were cheap you could always get records inthe 1,2 or 3 Deutsch Mark bin wich had been 6 month or 12 month in their existence not yet Sold because Nobody ever listened this so i builded my Taste for music. I studied as you explained inyour finding Gold Video .Well money Was not always there to buy the Blockbuster records but only sometimes advertisement fooled you around and you get manipulaled with the hype. After the deep listening you find Out that this music Not always clicked with you..So i kept every record i bought for 1 year and in this Time every record get a second or third chance by rehearsel. The ones i dont keep i tried to sell on a fleamarket wich happened every year in Front of my place were i living. This used to to be the biggest 1 day fleamarket in the World as it was written in the Guinness book of records. They name it flohmarkt Vohwinkel as you can See via UA-cam. Its always last weekend in September .then i can have always quit a couple of hundreds records and have again space to buy the new ones.i never buy online i love to buy in the wild.and i am a very lucky guy sometimes i found really more than Gold in the wilderness.and try just to have fun.but i also experienced the opposite matter by guys who havent really relaxed vinyl collectors and they stressed Out too much.really fuckers and mostly nearly militant.they mistook this Hobby with bizniss. Pure moneymaking Thing.
Now i finnish
Stay well Bodo
STUNTI I am 26 years older than you and can give you some much needed advice...if you expect Canadian Studmuffin or Norman Maslov to watch your videos take the time to have a shave and a haircut and PLEASE tidy your record racks before recording
I don't know what Canadian Studmuffin is, but if it comes with ketchup, I won't eat it.
@@StuntrockConfusion it is inedible and its vids are unwatchable🤕...p.s. I have 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,23,24 and 25...would you be prepared to send #20 as VCLT to complete my collection...Merci🤗
@@VagueRANT100 I'm trying to be clever and remember a good label with only 25 releases, but... it's late, and I have to go to sleep, so you'll have to clue me in, cheekifully if possible ;)
@@StuntrockConfusion 28 minutes and 30 second mark deep oscillation...bon nuit😴
Who even cares about Maslov? StuntrockConfusion is WAAAAAAY more interesting.
Hello i am Ludwig. Est ce que tu as une adresse de messagerie pour t’envoyer un message?
Instagram ? Tu cherches le même nom qu’ici 😇
Oui . Instagram? Je l’ai pas
Vinyl may be more fun. But it's not a better format than CD/Digital.
Opinions are for assholes. And I'm an asshole.
It’s better for certain specific reasons that might be exclusive to you, or not. And it’s also a potentially weaker format in other regards. My main focus is always the listening’s ergonomics and it’s psychological aspects, which is why I will always favor vinyl when I can.