intensity was different. If you do leg press (heavy) for 5 sets of warm up and 1 to failure and beyond (total failure, 2 drop sets) - you cant do no more. thats why he hit the gym for 45-60 mins. If you do heavy, but not to failure - you can do it for 2 hours EASY. even legs. Like 5-10 sets of leg press for 15 reps - sure. then other stuff
He also retire due to injury. If he did higher volume maybe less failure he probably would've won more mr.os and not injured himself. Maybe would have better arms and better pecs less of distended stomach. But we'd never know.
I'm not on gear I train 2-3 hours a day. I can out bench you, out squat you, and out deadlift you. I have a friend who weighs 150 pounds, he can out bench, out squat you and out deadlift people in the 200 pound weight class. Anyone who says 45 minutes is the max is a moron. This guy is a gear head and he'd still be better than the majority without his PEDs. Stop making lazy excuses.
Facts, and as someone on HRT you can still overtrain, just takes more. However, once you get into the blasting range and start adding other compounds, your recovery isn’t a problem.
@@user-vg8tv1hp9c I have the body builder gene, so I have broad shoulders and can put on bulk quick, the problem was that I wasn’t treating myself well nutrition wise…it got bad
That’s exactly what I thought of when he said this as well. I’m at the boxing gym 5 days a week but I only spar once or twice max in those 5 days. The rest of time is spent sharpening my skills to be a more proficient boxer.
Thank you that’s basically what I was coming in here to point out. I’m no skills in self defense or combat but it seems obvious that he’s comparing two different things, but happen to use the same word to describe it. The “training” he’s talking about is different then self defense training. I love Lee Priest though.
@@70two41fivewere you or are you competing ???? I was sparring every single day back when I was competing as a amateur now I spar 3 times a week maybe 4 but how do you expect to gain experience and get comfortable fr it’s different from hitting a bag that don’t move compared to a person who hits back and moves lol idk personally I feel like you get better by sparring but you *sharpen your skills and tune your conditioning when hitting the bag or anything else other than sparring idk everyone’s different tho..?
Since this dude was a bodybuilder we have learned that once you thoroughly exhaust your muscle then it’s exhausted. You don’t need to re-exhaust it with a second workout. It will do nothing for you besides put extra stress on your ligaments and joints
@SymphonicAnarchy if you are a bodybuilder and you wanna become the biggest in the world like he says, I'd think you would obviously know this.... And he has talked about gear
@SymphonicAnarchy natural lifters could find someone telling them to jump off a bridge. I get your point but this isn't some "half natty" ig lifter selling cookie cutter programs. He's also talking about people who are the 1% in their respective sports. Not an easily impressionable novice. I do get why the newer generation is obsessed with natty status and gear usage, sadly the state of the world is that 18yo kids now will have 50% lower test levels a natural would have had 60 years ago, in the natty golden era.
Im still waiting to see a single really jacked natural who worked out for 45 minutes a day. If anything as a person on gear you can afford to workout less hard and less often because you have MPS all the time regardless of training stimulus. Maybe if you have extraordinarily good genetics you can get away with 45 minutes. You'll achieve results but it will be slow asf for most and be undertraining imo
@@Hedonistic0Frog when I was training for 30 to 45 minutes I barely got any results for years. I upped to to an hour then an hour and a half and suddenly noticed pretty significant changes. How do you explain that?
@@Madchris8828 Your workout routine isn't time efficient so it takes you forever to get a decent amount of volume in. I do long circuits where I hit bench press, calf raises, lateral raises, bicep curls, dumbbell kickbacks and abs before resting so I get a ton of volume in a short amount of time. It also serves as light cardio. An hour and a half would be enough time for me to hit 22 sets of bench press plus everything else with time to spare. Are you doing 22 compound sets per day six days a week plus isolation movements?
For naturals rest is the most underrated aspect. Train hard, eat well and rest until you feel strong and rested. Enhanced Vs natural is a different game entirely.
Overtraining is definitely a real thing that I've experienced. Your central nervous system can only take so much stress before it starts wigging out. Some people might have higher tolerance than others...
@@DarkoFitCoach Constantly low energy, loss of appetite, i'd sometimes get the shakes for no apparent reason like I was withdrawing from a drug, even though I don't do any drugs or drink (in hindsight it may have been really bad anxiety, I never had an accompanying fever and it always went away pretty quickly). I got really bad vertigo a couple times after waking up. All of these strange symptoms stopped as soon as I stopped training 5-6 days a week, and haven't come back.
You need a better split and to enhance your recovery… I’ve been training 7 days a week for the past 3 years never burned out never felt overtrained every workout I’m getting stronger and every week I’m putting on weight… sounds to me like it’s a skill issue in your end 😂.
He referenced boxers and their extreme conditioning for the sole purpose of pointing out their large work capacity. He never said they were equals or even similar. He also mentioned a few examples of himself and Arnold training hours per day to further emphasize we can do much more volume than we think. There are plenty of natural athletes, (calisthenic and gymnastic community are examples) including myself that can train for a few hours a day. I can easily train 3 hours a day split in two sessions 4-5 days a week. Kid, did you make it to the end of the video?
@@malcolmdcwwed you’re right. I’ve been training wrong for 15 years, I commuted to university and studied wrong, I have way less conditioning and work capacity than you do, my health is falling apart, my dick is shrinking, and I got double vaccinated! Thanks internet kid for showing me that work capacity is stupid and the human body is weak. /S You are just too weak to hang with real fitness enthusiasts. Get the fuck over it. There are plenty of athletes that train 2-4 hours a day. Cheers baby boy.
Yeah, the super healthy specimen we should all aspire to, when most of his ilk die in their 40's or 50's. (And absolutely none of what he said applies unless you're juiced to the gills)
As a full-time brickies labourer who does gym every second day the concept of overtraining should be taken with a grain of salt. Like Priest says as long as ya eating and resting like a king you can keep performing like an animal.. no excuses fam - stay hard!
Well said, I too worked on the building site and would get my work outs in before work, never had an issue recovering ever. You are doing a real job IMO - not a fucking pen pushers job.
@@LeatherfacePapiEven the people with that motivation claiming you can't overwork yourself is complete nonsense that comes from a perspective of being juiced, has no basis on reality
also he invented the arnold press, which is probably the shittiest and worst excercise ever. arnold was aesthetic, but with his top form he wouldnt even get an invitation to mens physique neither mr.o itself
I love Mikes principles, but I do a little more volume than he does if I’m being honest….just really started focusing on the tension and stretch versus just lifting and pressing the movements….treating the muscle like a rubber band truly
@@mw0216 how long have you been implementing Mike's principles? I watched the 1 set to failure lecture on John Little's channel the other day and was thinking about trying it because it goes along with thoughts I've had for awhile that if you go to true failure why would you need more than one or two sets. I'm hesitant because I don't want to waste two or three months and honestly I can't imagine only working out for an hour or two a week because it's therapeutic to me. If you read all that thank you.
Yeah, do you think Mike's right? He doesn't come across as a liar but how did he get that level of conditioning on only 30 minutes 3 days a week? I'm gonna go with Lee priest.
Bodybuilding UA-cam’s opinion on training volume changed SOOO quickly after a couple of Mike Mentzer YT Shorts popped off. It was like overnight, everyone suddenly was terrified of overtraining 😂
This happens every few years. It’s cyclical. This back and forth has been happening at regular intervals since the mid 1970s when Arthur Jones really started getting people’s attention. It’s as predictable as the tides…
When you look around in the gym, do the people there look like they over train 😅 nope the don't, if anything they need to train a lot more, they all look round and pudgy, soft, or just obese in general, unable to move, Americans in general just unfit.
And even then, you’re still wasting time. No one who trains for 4 hours is going to mechanical failure on their 4th set for chest. Mentzer was a proponent of get everything warmed up, then do a warmup set, then a set to mechanical failure. If you’re doing that, you won’t have enough ATP regenerated to go again. It’s not physiologically possible. If on the other hand, you’re going to form failure, then that’s a different story. It’s why mentzer was a proponent of using machines that allow self assistance or using a spotter. It allows you to hit mechanical failure. Boxers aren’t doing that. When I box, yeah I go for 3-4 hours a day, but hitting the bag for an hour never brings you even close to mechanical failure. It’s a completely different style of training
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124he also recommended for holding and working harder during the negative movement of the rep, so it isn’t a regular set where you push or pull as many as you can until failure. It’s a lot rap, slow exercise with Max resistance at full contraction/extension. So by the time you get to failure, it’s due to full muscle exhaustion.
Fr I don't know why people even believe this. Gear literly makes you recover WAY faster than a natural person. This advice maybe true for someone on gear, but for natural gym bros, they need at least 48 hours to hit the same muscle group
@@0mniVerse777 It's because they're successful pro bodybuilders but most people are forgetting that it's a completely different world for them. They literally have top tier genetics and are roided to the gills which is why their advice is always the opposite.
Why are you so obsessed with what other men do to their bodies ??? Does it effect you that much that someone is stronger then you or who has a better physique??? You do not need drugs to build a good physique most people that take steroids look shit worry about yourself build the best you and stop crying about steroids all the time
@@stetsonholland5109 I don’t think people realise how much steroids aid in recovery. They could quite easily be called recovery enhancing drugs. Nobody ever claims that you don’t have to work hard if you do steroids that’s just the instant response from damaged egos who use gear. The point is they fail to address how much steroids aid them in the gym. They talk as if they would be able to do the exact same naturally but just make less gains which is false.
Steroids are still steriods. How the fuck do you expect a normal human who works a regular job to train chest twice a day for example. The recovery of a body on juice vs a body without juice is 2 completely different things. A big reason(not the only) people get jacked on steroids is helps tremendously with recovery to hit 2/3 a days while hitting PRs. Mind you not it can also lead to injury. So not hating on people who do gear, not at all. But stating a fact that the normal person just can’t go all out like he’s asking and majority of people who listen to these kinds of podcast are everyday dudes not the 1% of bodybuilders.
45min is fine. Just do it with all your heart. When I go, I go max weight, high intensity, and really push it till my body shakes. For some people they don’t like that, but that’s how I know it’s good seshs
The ONLY one's I have seen training really hard outta my clients are the ladies, they make 99% of the men fit Arnolds term - GIRLIE MEN, lol. I have a sign on the outside of my gym that says this.... 'No vegans or laziness allowed' 🙂
I have since I was 13 and now at 57 still natural and trained 7 days a week up until this month when I decided to go back to my old style of training when I was in my teens.
I'm 20 on testosterone boosters but I also take all my vitamins and the reason for the testosterone is because It helps me to push harder when I feel a sudden hit of testosterone and I recover alot faster. I'd recommend it to anyone if they want a cheap and safe boost for their workout that's a somewhat still natural alternative
You can be natural and train for 2 hrs a day 5 days a week and recover just fine if you eat well, get your sleep and do your rehab/stretching and all that, it's perfectly possible. You do have to build up to this over a few years though and that's the key
So true! A few years back I had 3 months off work and prioritised training twice a day four days a week with a 45 Min walk and a lot of couch along with good nutrition I saw my best results gaining 3kg lean mass natural
training 6-8 hours a day as a boxer has its merits because you are training a skill + endurance + athleticism etc. As a bodybuilder, you cannot cheat time. Your muscles grow at the same rate whether you are in the gym for 1 or 5 hours
@@billsmith5433 Exactly. 6-8 hours in a boxing gym actually training and having timed 2 min breaks lmfao that's not even possible. Less than 2 hours and you're cooked
@@billsmith5433 seriously, after an hour I was getting salt stains on my clothes. You'd get severely dehydrated even if you could manage 6 hours of boxing training.
It's a different world when you're juiced. I think so many of these guys start so young that they either forget or never realize how limited you are as a natty in terms of growth and repair.
True story. Lee and Arnold both produced natural testosteron until they are 16 and straight hop on gear like maniacs. They have no clue what its like training natural.
You are not limited as a natty. Young generation just looks for excuses. I'm 41 , been training 2-2.5 hours per session 4x per week since I was 16. Stop with the excuses.
Guys been recovering for years with hard longer training. Now guys on enough gear to kill a horse think they won’t recover if it’s over 45 min to an hour
My mates been taking gear for 5 years and still can’t get big 😂 he’s in great shape and is strong ish but just can’t get big. I think he has bad genetics
I trained 6 days a week and even 2 a day training. I was constantly sore and tired and even got weaker. Then I started training less often but I was able to train harder and got stronger and bigger.
Mike Mentzer is the leading authority in this. Training hard and taking sets to failure is what drives muscle growth. Doing more is not better. It’s almost childlike to think that. Intensity and excellent recovery is strategic and effective.
@@johnmacdonald5483 yeah my favorite thing too is so many people pretend like the "beauty contest" is the only sport with massive usage. Give me a break, all sports use.
the reason why pro mma fighters have to train so much is because they arent just building their bodys, thier building an actual skill Edit: this isn't me attacking bodybuilding as a sport simply stating that overtraining in body building is different than overtraining in MMA. As in MMA your often not going at full intensity because you need to learn different techniques in addition to your strength and conditioning. If you only had to train your cardio and conditioning the training would be different. There is just the whole other side of things where you have to learn how to fight, which is a much more skill intensive process in my opinion.
It's still not as long as he makes it out to be. MMA usually does 2 a day practices in order to get all the disciples in. It's still 2hrs in the morning and 2 at night. You can only do much with any kind of real intensity. 4-6 is more realistic than 6-8.
Let's continue to EXPOSE these STEROID LOSERS! ROIDERS like to stay, "STEROIDS ENHANCE..." (basically DOWNPLAYING STEROIDS)! and these CHEAT NOTES "ENHANCE" my studying as well...LOL! ROIDERS are FAKES! Stay natural buddy!
Problem is studies tell you one thing but all the pros actually doing it will say the opposite. As someone that has trained for 8 years in bodybuilding and got my qualifications in sport science i can tell you the pros know better.
Can't forget that geared up pro bodybuilders are a different case than the "I don't want to look like shit" casual gym members. Recovery on "recovery medication" is a completely different game than for the natural artist and muscles grow during recovery. Punishment only gets you so far.
Yeah but "working hard, having all your meals in and sleeping well" is a huge if. Most of us have lives and other responsabilities. Is difficult af to do all of that at the same time, and if you are trying to lose weight, it's even more difficult to eat properly and not get overtrained.
When the regular gymgoer thinks professional bodybuilders are trying to give them advice… 😂 they don’t care about you lil man they talking about competitive bodybuilders 🤦♂️.
Food is #1. Its the hardest to stay consistant on and the easist to think you can skip with drugs. Rest is #2 because most people underestimate how imporant rest is for muscle growth. #3 is training. This is the easist because this is what we all love and enjoy. Nobody enjoys eating dry ass chicken and rice for the 21st time this week and then cleaning the dishes 6x a day.
@@garrydye2394SLEEP IS THE MOST IMPORTANT...YOU GROW WHEN YOU SLEEP...Even when you don't eat right you will still grow but don't sleep as much and have a great diet...your gains will stop like a fat old man off of Viagra
Sure but rest days where you ain’t doing jack shit all day are useless. Make your useless rest days something useful like cardio/recovery days. I have 1 full cardio day and 1 full recovery day which involves me deep stretching my entire body and multiple sauna rounds. Most importantly as long as you get your sleep and macros in and have a properly set up routine you will recover.
when i did martial arts i'd train around 4-8 hrs a day depending on what i was doing, i was also working construction. i ended up doing 12-16 hrs of physical activities a day and i was the healthiest i had been in my life.
There is no overtraining, there is only under recovering. If your diet and sleep are in check you will be able to handle a lot of work. If you’re on gear then overtraining is not even a thing
I trained 6 days a week for 2-3 hours for years and got to the point that I couldn’t add any more size and I was no longer hitting PBs. I now train 4 times a week for an hour at full intensity Yates style and have packed on muscle mass and am hitting PBS almost every session. Overtraining is 100% a thing
last week I did 4 consecutive full body days, each session 2-2.5h long and on the last day I started doing air squats for warm ups and my joints and muscles ached so bad that I just walked on treadmill for 40mins and went home, so definitely a thing
People think the pyramids were built by aliens because of the amount of labor it required to build, truth is people didn't believe in overtraining, overworking, they worked all day, until they died. The soldiers of the past trained all day, not 45 minutes a day. Athletes, etc, all applies.
@@kevinleewilliams5119 So? Who cares what people did in the past, we are in the present and we know that something as overtraining does exist and can have negative effects. Yeah people in that time didnt believe that... So what? Since they didnt believe in that they magically we are all fine with no negative effects of being overworked?
The biggest problem with this is not the muscle recovery but the connective tissue damage. working out twice today it’s stupid unless the workouts you’re doing is not all that intense or heavy and everything is dialed in
Absolutely.. that and your central nervous systems recovery limit. Depends how intense your going, but that many hours with intensity will fry your nervous system . I guess part of it is these guys don't have a real job so they have time to fill and they love to train. It's be hard to make it as a pro if you didn't enjoy it
Well Rob it seems we are amongst the very few on here with any common sense ,lol. Also we are amongst the few that are not afraid to show an image of ourselves - unlike MANY on here, I think we both know why - the rest are likely couch potato's and people that have no right commenting on the human body which they know nothing about.
Imagine how many people this clown case will demotivate, because they'll start going to the gym for 2-3 hours(without gear) and will absolutely hate training.
Podcasts are mostly garbage 😂 dumbasses that nobody knows talking about anything and everything like they knew it all but hey he talked to arnold so thats the catch😂😂😂
What you do during those “training sessions” is literally everything. Many times, the people bragging about the hours they put in every day treat their time there like they are on vacation and touring a museum. Anyone can train 6 hours a day if they only do five mild sets an hour.
Well guys if you optimize recovery, with consistent blood flow, stretching, peptides, proper nutrition. Other factors that limit volume would be heart fatigue, central nervous system fatigue, and joint recovery. If you master the recovery process, then you masterd your training capacity. Natural or enhanced.
Rich Piana said it best, "If you're on a good cycle, eating 8000 calories a day and you're getting your sleep in, there's no such thing as overtraining"
I hate the guy in the video. He's gonna get people killed. 1 hour 4 days a week is plenty. Jay cutler did 45minutes a day. Also if you choose to do more you need to listen to your body and eat perfectly
@@bdegrds Lee Priest never won an Olympia and his best finish was 6th. Actual multiple time winners have said stuff that contradicts what Priest has said here. Rather listen to them.
Most people don't train hard period, and most don't do hard workouts in 45 minutes. There are some exceptions here and there but most people aren't Dorian Yates as someone else made a bad comparison to
I tried both training styles but Dorian is right man. If you train with intensity you don’t wanna be at the gym for the next 1 week. It’s hard to recover without the sauce
45-90 minutes it’s perfectly fine. 2-3+ hours is definitely overkill. Not that you’d overtrain but it’ll impact recovery which can make you more prone to injury as well
But what if you are training multiple body parts in one session and you are resting well in between sets? 45 - 90 mins seems rushed to me. Especially if you are including compound movements like the deadlift and squat, you need to have a decent rest period between sets.
@@assassin0547 you are correct, cannot possible be training compound movements if your workout is that short, and DEFINETLY not resting enough time between sets.
Horse shit. I have just started my old routine of chest and back 3 times a week to test my body reaction now I am 57, takes me well over 3hrs to complete, I recover the same as when I was 18yrs old and have NEVER had a gym injury in 44yrs. Some have the 'smarts' some clearly do not nor do many have the genetics for this sport, some of us spent hrs and hrs studying the human body and nutrition others spent no time at all.
He has to be talking about training with the assistance of PEDS. Without PEDS, you would be killing yourself. A human can not repair naturally that fast.
If overtraining is a myth, then why after 5 consecutive hours a day for 5 years straight did my mind literally disallow my body to go completely lethargic , well beyond simply not wanting to work out, but overtly kept me from working out. It took a year before i could force myself into the gym? The entire workout over the following year was nowhere near my regular intensity. I couldn't get the insane drive back no matter what i did. I was utterly perplexed! I took the past 5 years off, only in the past few weeks have i begun to feel like getting back into it. Crazy
I think the overtraining thing only really applies to nattys. It’s very hard to overtrain on gear. That’s what I noticed when I did some test for a couple of months. The recovery was incredible. I never even felt Doms the whole time I was on it but was training hard and made big gains.
He's talking about people who want to be the best/biggest in the world, and you're complaining about work? No one is talking about average Joe trying to get a bit fitter here. Insecurity isn't very "Sigma."
Yeah the difference is Lee was a professional who was getting paid to workout and win shows, most of us have full-time jobs so we have to be efficient with our training.
It really comes down to listening to your body not just forcing it. That changes perspectively through with pain threshold and drive but either way you can progressively push yourself to train way more often then someone might recommend. Your body will be clear if you need a break.
Part of the benefit of using exogenous hormones is that you don't have to adhere to the normally prescribed hormone optimization protocols. Like avoiding training hard for over an hour.
I used to train 45 minutes a day 6 days a week, now i train 2 hours a day 4 fays a week, what matters most is giving your body a chance to revover (its also noticable i usually take 3-4 minute rests between sets where i used to jump right back in)
I think the body can be trained to adapt. Humans used to be way more active everyday, there's no telling what's actually possible as far as growth. Scientists learn new things all the time.
You guys do realize Dorian and mentzer only trained 45 min and Dorian won Olympia multiple times right lol. Bodybuilding unfortunately is not like most sports where the more often and longer you train the better. You stimulate , intensely , get out and recover
Moral of the story is train however you want as long as you’re training hard. Everyone wants to train low volume because Mentzwr did it or only squat because Tom Platz says so when I’m reality these guys would’ve been great no matter how they trained. Follow a training style you like by all means but there’s more than one way to skin a cat.
I train like one and a half hours, taking into consideration the warm up as well. I think it works very well, there is no need to create this battle between 45 mins or 3 hours.
It's obvious both methods work. What is important is which works for the individual. I prefer HIT. But I've done traditional for years. Both methods work so your point is spot on.
This is what everyone needs to understand. Everytime I trained 6 days a week, PPL x2, I ran in to recovery issues. Though I did typically train hard dropsetting every exercise. I can do 5 days a week fine (touch wood), but I am dancing around injuries and weak points. As a natural I feel like it's way too easy to get hurt. So I don't understand when these guys say the human body can take a lot of punishment, or volume or whatever, because my body fxcking can't. I've spent most of my lifting years on and off injured (biceps longhead), closing in on 3 years proper gym training. Sometimes I just want to shout at these guys who say this shit. Maybe for all you fking roidheads.
@@TaxEvasi0n people on gear are actually more likely to get seriously injured. The joints, ligaments, tendons don't recover while you end up pushing more weight. When your natural, the body tells your when your overtraining. Being on gear makes it really hard to guage so people end up snapping something. What I've notice is these elite bodybuilders seem to be immune from injury and I'm.guessing this is because of their specific genetics because normal people on roids would tear a pec training chest twice a day.
@@gmann8659 Thanks for your opinion. I've wondered this myself, and I do feel like I agree on this. Are we as normies, being natural, just prone to injury? How often do enhanced people get injured, in the form of over use or pulling muscles? Not mentioning the hardcore injuries like snapcity. I'm coming back for a 2nd time healing a biceps longhead overuse injury. I just don't understand sometimes, feels like it will never be the same. I can load it with moderate weights and stimulate my chest again, but I cannot get high volume in yet. Going on gear to overcome injuries seems appealing sometimes.
@@TaxEvasi0n definitely listen to your body mate. I'm in a similar position to you, had a partial pec tear about a year ago and never felt the same since. I've managed to get back to the same strength level but it just doesn't feel quite right. I think as naturals we definitely need more time to rest and incorporating deloads much more frequently has literally saved my body. Never use to do many before and every few weeks I'd pick up an injury whether it was my elbow, knee, bicep whatever. Now when I deload I drop the weight a little and stay a little further away from failure, while cutting the volume in half. I feel this way I still get some stimulation without feeling detrained by just taking a week break or dropping the weight dramatically like I use to do prior. How old are you btw? I'm 32 and definitely feel I need to train smarter now I'm getting older. My injuries just don't heal as fast anymore so I need to look after my body. Roiders get away with it when they are young but the ones who get the bad injuries tend to be older I find where you just can't get away with lifting heavy, twice a week on each body part, for months on end.
Its sounds tough to say, “overtraining is a myth”. But im a professional kickboxer, ive had pro fights, and overtraining is a problem, rest in between fights and training gives such a boost in proformance
@@enolam99 you can jump rope for five minutes to warm up and you will be dripping with sweat. Then you can do push-ups, pull ups, bodyweight, squats, and hanging, sit ups, and you will feel the next day. its solid.
Easy to recover when you're loading a pharmacy every week along with your meals. Naturals need rest and absolutely can over train and get stress injuries and other issues, especially on heavy compound lifts like deads and squats. I'm disabled and push myself the best I can but it catches up and I'll end up out for a week. I'd rather not have to skip that many workouts because I decided to ignore my body's cues.
@@K_j_M No one's upset, we're all calling out the glaring hypocrisy of heavy ped users acting like everyone can do what they did naturally. It's like a bunch of billionaires telling poor people how easy it is to buy homes, travel, and always have food because they think everyone has it as good as they do.
You can definitely overtrain on gear too. Tendonitis is one of the most common forms of injuries coming from overtraining. Gear doesn’t do a whole lot for tendon recovery. In fact, the stronger you get, the more intense you train, and the more volume you do, the longer the recovery time you will need. But go ahead and train chest for 2 hours every other day….see how far you get…
I wonder if you cut that to 45 to 50 minutes, but did less reps but higher weights and intensity to absolute failure how you would fair? Do it for like 3-4 months.
Dorian Yates trained 45 mins at a time and won 6 Mr olympias lol
intensity was different. If you do leg press (heavy) for 5 sets of warm up and 1 to failure and beyond (total failure, 2 drop sets) - you cant do no more.
thats why he hit the gym for 45-60 mins.
If you do heavy, but not to failure - you can do it for 2 hours EASY. even legs. Like 5-10 sets of leg press for 15 reps - sure. then other stuff
@RMJerich0 it worked for him training that way tho is what I'm saying. U don't have to be training 2 hours to get in good shape
He also retire due to injury. If he did higher volume maybe less failure he probably would've won more mr.os and not injured himself. Maybe would have better arms and better pecs less of distended stomach. But we'd never know.
@danny isjuan regardless he proved by only training 45 mins u can produce a olympian winning physique
@DARREL W very true. I respect that. He watched blood and guts and boy did he and his workout partner go hard. Unbelievable.
Spoken like a man with enhanced recovery from PEDs
Well said. His comments are irrelevant to naturals
I'm not on gear I train 2-3 hours a day. I can out bench you, out squat you, and out deadlift you. I have a friend who weighs 150 pounds, he can out bench, out squat you and out deadlift people in the 200 pound weight class. Anyone who says 45 minutes is the max is a moron. This guy is a gear head and he'd still be better than the majority without his PEDs. Stop making lazy excuses.
Facts, and as someone on HRT you can still overtrain, just takes more. However, once you get into the blasting range and start adding other compounds, your recovery isn’t a problem.
He's referring to others on PEDs. Those comments were about today's pros.
Mayor of lazytown your name perfectly reflects you
Needing recovery isn't about being mentally tired. It's about your muscles having the time to rebuild.
Exactly, I made the mistake of overtraining and then it started to affect my mental.
@@curmidgeon8I over trained and stop growing/getting stronger, I looked like I didn’t even lift and I was working harder than other people.
@@user-vg8tv1hp9c I have the body builder gene, so I have broad shoulders and can put on bulk quick, the problem was that I wasn’t treating myself well nutrition wise…it got bad
@@user-vg8tv1hp9cHow many sets were you doing?
Cope
Combat ayhletes don't just train for conditioning. They also train for skills development and sparring.
That’s exactly what I thought of when he said this as well. I’m at the boxing gym 5 days a week but I only spar once or twice max in those 5 days. The rest of time is spent sharpening my skills to be a more proficient boxer.
Thank you that’s basically what I was coming in here to point out. I’m no skills in self defense or combat but it seems obvious that he’s comparing two different things, but happen to use the same word to describe it. The “training” he’s talking about is different then self defense training. I love Lee Priest though.
@@70two41fivewere you or are you competing ???? I was sparring every single day back when I was competing as a amateur now I spar 3 times a week maybe 4 but how do you expect to gain experience and get comfortable fr it’s different from hitting a bag that don’t move compared to a person who hits back and moves lol idk personally I feel like you get better by sparring but you *sharpen your skills and tune your conditioning when hitting the bag or anything else other than sparring idk everyone’s different tho..?
Since this dude was a bodybuilder we have learned that once you thoroughly exhaust your muscle then it’s exhausted. You don’t need to re-exhaust it with a second workout. It will do nothing for you besides put extra stress on your ligaments and joints
Lmao it’s just crazy how they never give credit to gear helping them recover quicker
This is not a convo about natural lifters
@@Hashashin8Sure. But natural lifters could see this in their algorithm and think that 45-60 minutes isn’t enough. It’s a touch misleading.
@SymphonicAnarchy if you are a bodybuilder and you wanna become the biggest in the world like he says, I'd think you would obviously know this.... And he has talked about gear
I know lol, gear eliminates all recovery problems
@SymphonicAnarchy natural lifters could find someone telling them to jump off a bridge.
I get your point but this isn't some "half natty" ig lifter selling cookie cutter programs. He's also talking about people who are the 1% in their respective sports. Not an easily impressionable novice.
I do get why the newer generation is obsessed with natty status and gear usage, sadly the state of the world is that 18yo kids now will have 50% lower test levels a natural would have had 60 years ago, in the natty golden era.
This only applies when you're juiced to the gills
Seriously, nobody is training hard for hours a day while being natural and not overtraining.
yeah always easier to make that kind of statement when you take so much PEDs, you have more oil in the butt than blood in the veins
Im still waiting to see a single really jacked natural who worked out for 45 minutes a day. If anything as a person on gear you can afford to workout less hard and less often because you have MPS all the time regardless of training stimulus. Maybe if you have extraordinarily good genetics you can get away with 45 minutes. You'll achieve results but it will be slow asf for most and be undertraining imo
@@Hedonistic0Frog when I was training for 30 to 45 minutes I barely got any results for years. I upped to to an hour then an hour and a half and suddenly noticed pretty significant changes. How do you explain that?
@@Madchris8828 Your workout routine isn't time efficient so it takes you forever to get a decent amount of volume in. I do long circuits where I hit bench press, calf raises, lateral raises, bicep curls, dumbbell kickbacks and abs before resting so I get a ton of volume in a short amount of time. It also serves as light cardio. An hour and a half would be enough time for me to hit 22 sets of bench press plus everything else with time to spare. Are you doing 22 compound sets per day six days a week plus isolation movements?
For naturals rest is the most underrated aspect. Train hard, eat well and rest until you feel strong and rested. Enhanced Vs natural is a different game entirely.
Spoken like a prophet
Softy
@@colinsullivan1293ok Sunny D 😂😂
Overtraining is definitely a real thing that I've experienced. Your central nervous system can only take so much stress before it starts wigging out. Some people might have higher tolerance than others...
What symptoms did u have from overtraining?
@@DarkoFitCoach Constantly low energy, loss of appetite, i'd sometimes get the shakes for no apparent reason like I was withdrawing from a drug, even though I don't do any drugs or drink (in hindsight it may have been really bad anxiety, I never had an accompanying fever and it always went away pretty quickly). I got really bad vertigo a couple times after waking up. All of these strange symptoms stopped as soon as I stopped training 5-6 days a week, and haven't come back.
@@MrFreeGman sounds heavy. I am brutally overtrained and out of the gym for 5 months now
That makes total sense to me...
You need a better split and to enhance your recovery… I’ve been training 7 days a week for the past 3 years never burned out never felt overtrained every workout I’m getting stronger and every week I’m putting on weight… sounds to me like it’s a skill issue in your end 😂.
Boxers and bodybuilders training is entirely different
Exactly
He referenced boxers and their extreme conditioning for the sole purpose of pointing out their large work capacity. He never said they were equals or even similar.
He also mentioned a few examples of himself and Arnold training hours per day to further emphasize we can do much more volume than we think. There are plenty of natural athletes, (calisthenic and gymnastic community are examples) including myself that can train for a few hours a day. I can easily train 3 hours a day split in two sessions 4-5 days a week.
Kid, did you make it to the end of the video?
@@michaelgresham1980 get your condescending foolishness outta here. Yates won Mr. Olympia several times training 45 minutes per day.
@michael gresham if you're training 3 hours a day then you aren't training correctly or hard enough.
@@malcolmdcwwed you’re right. I’ve been training wrong for 15 years, I commuted to university and studied wrong, I have way less conditioning and work capacity than you do, my health is falling apart, my dick is shrinking, and I got double vaccinated! Thanks internet kid for showing me that work capacity is stupid and the human body is weak.
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You are just too weak to hang with real fitness enthusiasts. Get the fuck over it. There are plenty of athletes that train 2-4 hours a day. Cheers baby boy.
His skin radiates that healthy orange/purplish glow due to high blood pressure, over-tanning, and massive amounts of juice.
Fr just look at difference between the color of his face and his hands 💀
Yeah, the super healthy specimen we should all aspire to, when most of his ilk die in their 40's or 50's. (And absolutely none of what he said applies unless you're juiced to the gills)
I think is the reflection of his shirt 🤣
@@BadWeatherfreak also that 😂
@@donquixote8462 does this guy talk about being healthy and getting old? No he’s just talking about getting big.
As a full-time brickies labourer who does gym every second day the concept of overtraining should be taken with a grain of salt. Like Priest says as long as ya eating and resting like a king you can keep performing like an animal.. no excuses fam - stay hard!
Well said, I too worked on the building site and would get my work outs in before work, never had an issue recovering ever.
You are doing a real job IMO - not a fucking pen pushers job.
Fam hahaha
Once the glass is full do you need more water?
Over training improves endurance which those jobs need endurance but it is not good thing for building strenght.
One problem Lee, not everyone has the luxury to train a fraction of their day nor the peds to sustain the recovery and workload.
This man is actually talking some sense. 2 hours and a the entire day resting and eating; Ain't nobody got time for dat shit.
He's talking to people that are WILLING to do what needs to be done not people like you that wanna find excuses to leave gym early lol
@@LeatherfacePapiEven the people with that motivation claiming you can't overwork yourself is complete nonsense that comes from a perspective of being juiced, has no basis on reality
I love how people ask Arnold everything. He said in Pumping Iron he would tell people wrong information on purpose.
And then somehow got elected govenor...
That movie was fake
@@albertoagilar1807 Fake an in it doesn't exist?
He said drinking milk is for babies while drinking a gallon a day so…
also he invented the arnold press, which is probably the shittiest and worst excercise ever.
arnold was aesthetic, but with his top form he wouldnt even get an invitation to mens physique neither mr.o itself
Mike mentzer is rolling in his grave hearing this
I was just going to comment that lol
I love Mikes principles, but I do a little more volume than he does if I’m being honest….just really started focusing on the tension and stretch versus just lifting and pressing the movements….treating the muscle like a rubber band truly
@@mw0216 how long have you been implementing Mike's principles? I watched the 1 set to failure lecture on John Little's channel the other day and was thinking about trying it because it goes along with thoughts I've had for awhile that if you go to true failure why would you need more than one or two sets. I'm hesitant because I don't want to waste two or three months and honestly I can't imagine only working out for an hour or two a week because it's therapeutic to me. If you read all that thank you.
You mean tweaking
Yeah, do you think Mike's right? He doesn't come across as a liar but how did he get that level of conditioning on only 30 minutes 3 days a week? I'm gonna go with Lee priest.
If you train more than 2 hours a day you’re either on PEDs or value quantity over quality
Bodybuilding UA-cam’s opinion on training volume changed SOOO quickly after a couple of Mike Mentzer YT Shorts popped off. It was like overnight, everyone suddenly was terrified of overtraining 😂
The algorithm is super predictable
I wonder when the pendulum will swing back to volume training
This happens every few years. It’s cyclical. This back and forth has been happening at regular intervals since the mid 1970s when Arthur Jones really started getting people’s attention. It’s as predictable as the tides…
When you look around in the gym, do the people there look like they over train 😅 nope the don't, if anything they need to train a lot more, they all look round and pudgy, soft, or just obese in general, unable to move, Americans in general just unfit.
Don’t be discouraged guys. 45 minutes is just fine as long as you are training hard.
Put a pic up and lets see how its going for you Tom
@@karlball42 do you have any socials where I can send you privately?
Btw I train about an hour and a half to two hours a day, not 45 mins lol.
@@tomberver1075 Karl had all that talk just to disappear when you met him there 🤣
@@patbirdmusic haha
@@karlball42 wow you're so cool for overtraining and breaking down more muscle than you can build. Whatever it takes!!!!
When you're on the sauce you can "over train" and still do fine.
Most you natties barely do shit.. yall just sit on the machines n do 3x12 programs. Wtf that shit gonna do? Yall Fucken lazy tbh
And even then, you’re still wasting time.
No one who trains for 4 hours is going to mechanical failure on their 4th set for chest. Mentzer was a proponent of get everything warmed up, then do a warmup set, then a set to mechanical failure. If you’re doing that, you won’t have enough ATP regenerated to go again. It’s not physiologically possible. If on the other hand, you’re going to form failure, then that’s a different story.
It’s why mentzer was a proponent of using machines that allow self assistance or using a spotter. It allows you to hit mechanical failure. Boxers aren’t doing that. When I box, yeah I go for 3-4 hours a day, but hitting the bag for an hour never brings you even close to mechanical failure. It’s a completely different style of training
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124he also recommended for holding and working harder during the negative movement of the rep, so it isn’t a regular set where you push or pull as many as you can until failure. It’s a lot rap, slow exercise with Max resistance at full contraction/extension.
So by the time you get to failure, it’s due to full muscle exhaustion.
This dude seems so chill like an uncle that's tired from a long day's work.
This is where Heavy Duty comes in by the legend, Mike Menzter.
It’s easy to not over-train when you’re on gear! No gear equals all fear
Fr I don't know why people even believe this. Gear literly makes you recover WAY faster than a natural person. This advice maybe true for someone on gear, but for natural gym bros, they need at least 48 hours to hit the same muscle group
@@0mniVerse777 It's because they're successful pro bodybuilders but most people are forgetting that it's a completely different world for them. They literally have top tier genetics and are roided to the gills which is why their advice is always the opposite.
You can still over train on gear 😂
Why are you so obsessed with what other men do to their bodies ??? Does it effect you that much that someone is stronger then you or who has a better physique??? You do not need drugs to build a good physique most people that take steroids look shit worry about yourself build the best you and stop crying about steroids all the time
It’s pretty obvious that they are talking about people on large doses in this conversation though
“Get all your meals and rest in and you won’t overtrain.” Oh yeah plus a needle.
Don't hate
@wall01 gear helps but the hard work is still hard work. Steroids aren't magic
@@stetsonholland5109 I don’t think people realise how much steroids aid in recovery. They could quite easily be called recovery enhancing drugs. Nobody ever claims that you don’t have to work hard if you do steroids that’s just the instant response from damaged egos who use gear. The point is they fail to address how much steroids aid them in the gym. They talk as if they would be able to do the exact same naturally but just make less gains which is false.
@@stetsonholland5109 yes they are. Use steroids and not training get u better than training witout gear. This is a fact based on researches
Steroids are still steriods. How the fuck do you expect a normal human who works a regular job to train chest twice a day for example.
The recovery of a body on juice vs a body without juice is 2 completely different things.
A big reason(not the only) people get jacked on steroids is helps tremendously with recovery to hit 2/3 a days while hitting PRs. Mind you not it can also lead to injury.
So not hating on people who do gear, not at all. But stating a fact that the normal person just can’t go all out like he’s asking and majority of people who listen to these kinds of podcast are everyday dudes not the 1% of bodybuilders.
45min is fine. Just do it with all your heart. When I go, I go max weight, high intensity, and really push it till my body shakes. For some people they don’t like that, but that’s how I know it’s good seshs
Over training exist and it's DANGEROUS.
Most people never overtrain, they only underrecover.
But you can't force recovery if you're natural. There's things that can help but ultimately you need time to rest
That's the wisest comment I've heard In ages
The ONLY one's I have seen training really hard outta my clients are the ladies, they make 99% of the men fit Arnolds term - GIRLIE MEN, lol.
I have a sign on the outside of my gym that says this....
'No vegans or laziness allowed' 🙂
I couldn't have said it better!
Brilliant
Dude hasn’t trained naturally since he was 15.
I have since I was 13 and now at 57 still natural and trained 7 days a week up until this month when I decided to go back to my old style of training when I was in my teens.
I'm 20 on testosterone boosters but I also take all my vitamins and the reason for the testosterone is because It helps me to push harder when I feel a sudden hit of testosterone and I recover alot faster. I'd recommend it to anyone if they want a cheap and safe boost for their workout that's a somewhat still natural alternative
@@whyareyoureadingmyname5854 what test booster? Aren't they like a waste of Money?
@@davincibz1 at his age yes, a person who is 40 plus than no
Exactly 😂😂
You can be natural and train for 2 hrs a day 5 days a week and recover just fine if you eat well, get your sleep and do your rehab/stretching and all that, it's perfectly possible. You do have to build up to this over a few years though and that's the key
So true! A few years back I had 3 months off work and prioritised training twice a day four days a week with a 45 Min walk and a lot of couch along with good nutrition I saw my best results gaining 3kg lean mass natural
training 6-8 hours a day as a boxer has its merits because you are training a skill + endurance + athleticism etc. As a bodybuilder, you cannot cheat time. Your muscles grow at the same rate whether you are in the gym for 1 or 5 hours
Absolutely and boxers dont train 6-8hrs a day either.
@@billsmith5433 Exactly. 6-8 hours in a boxing gym actually training and having timed 2 min breaks lmfao that's not even possible. Less than 2 hours and you're cooked
@@fuckjewtube69 😹😹😹
@@billsmith5433 seriously, after an hour I was getting salt stains on my clothes. You'd get severely dehydrated even if you could manage 6 hours of boxing training.
@@Hedonistic0Frog 😂
Yup same in high school sports had 2 a days in the off season
For a regular guy , 45 min- 1 hr is great, push yourself, don’t be distracted by your phone.
It's a different world when you're juiced. I think so many of these guys start so young that they either forget or never realize how limited you are as a natty in terms of growth and repair.
Let them do gear and get heart disease at 40
True story. Lee and Arnold both produced natural testosteron until they are 16 and straight hop on gear like maniacs. They have no clue what its like training natural.
Plus. Sorry but if you can train 2 3 times a day. Then you are training like a p..ssy.
You are not limited as a natty. Young generation just looks for excuses. I'm 41 , been training 2-2.5 hours per session 4x per week since I was 16. Stop with the excuses.
Absolutely, natural training is a completely different universe. Nobody who is natural should listen to these juice heads about training.
Guys been recovering for years with hard longer training. Now guys on enough gear to kill a horse think they won’t recover if it’s over 45 min to an hour
My mates been taking gear for 5 years and still can’t get big 😂 he’s in great shape and is strong ish but just can’t get big. I think he has bad genetics
@@Team_Banchamekprobably has the appetite of a bird.
@@Team_Banchamek shitty roids
@@brojackson8411it's in what he said, they take a lot more compounds than the bodybuilders of old
@@brojackson8411it's the HGH and insulin.. and that's why there dying
I trained 6 days a week and even 2 a day training. I was constantly sore and tired and even got weaker. Then I started training less often but I was able to train harder and got stronger and bigger.
Mike Mentzer is the leading authority in this. Training hard and taking sets to failure is what drives muscle growth. Doing more is not better. It’s almost childlike to think that. Intensity and excellent recovery is strategic and effective.
You can't compare a performance sport to a beauty contest.
Golf? What's that? A sport / game/ walk in the park spoiled????
Yet 99% cannot even come close. If it was easy everyone would be jacked.
It's the glorification of the body and humans, cuz we are supposed to be strong
Ask a gorilla how strong we are 🦍 😂
@@johnmacdonald5483 yeah my favorite thing too is so many people pretend like the "beauty contest" is the only sport with massive usage. Give me a break, all sports use.
the reason why pro mma fighters have to train so much is because they arent just building their bodys, thier building an actual skill
Edit: this isn't me attacking bodybuilding as a sport simply stating that overtraining in body building is different than overtraining in MMA. As in MMA your often not going at full intensity because you need to learn different techniques in addition to your strength and conditioning. If you only had to train your cardio and conditioning the training would be different. There is just the whole other side of things where you have to learn how to fight, which is a much more skill intensive process in my opinion.
Thank you
And they aren't going balls to the wall for 8 hrs straight
Too bad the STEROID PANSIES can't lift weights for size and strength!
Stay natural buddy!
It's still not as long as he makes it out to be. MMA usually does 2 a day practices in order to get all the disciples in.
It's still 2hrs in the morning and 2 at night. You can only do much with any kind of real intensity. 4-6 is more realistic than 6-8.
Let's continue to EXPOSE these STEROID LOSERS!
ROIDERS like to stay, "STEROIDS ENHANCE..." (basically DOWNPLAYING STEROIDS)!
and these CHEAT NOTES "ENHANCE" my studying as well...LOL!
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
Bodybuilding is not boxing, Lee. And not everyone has top tier genetics either.
Bro bsically just said "well studies say i'm wrong, but hear me out".
Problem is studies tell you one thing but all the pros actually doing it will say the opposite. As someone that has trained for 8 years in bodybuilding and got my qualifications in sport science i can tell you the pros know better.
Well there’s validity to the “hear me out” considering he was one of the best in the world despite these studies lol
The thing is they aren't "studies." They are just articles that got published in some mainstream journal.
most scientific studies on resistance training and gear are highly inaccurate
@@wr4thbringer And who're you?
Can't forget that geared up pro bodybuilders are a different case than the "I don't want to look like shit" casual gym members. Recovery on "recovery medication" is a completely different game than for the natural artist and muscles grow during recovery. Punishment only gets you so far.
I was doing almost 20 sets for biceps at 17 and they stayed the same even going heavier, when I put the sets to 10-12 I started growing
You can only increase the sets and intensity so much until you can’t keep up
He's literally talking about being the biggest in the 1% of their sport. He's not talking about the casual gym goer.
@@user-vg8tv1hp9c sets or reps per set?
@@evaristoolavarrietagarza6447he said sets
There is a huge difference in intensity, 8 hours cardio is possible but muscle failure happens very fast.
Yeah but "working hard, having all your meals in and sleeping well" is a huge if. Most of us have lives and other responsabilities. Is difficult af to do all of that at the same time, and if you are trying to lose weight, it's even more difficult to eat properly and not get overtrained.
When the guy on juice tells you, you dont go hard and long enough
the original video is about pro bodybuilding, where absolutely everyone uses juice
should be specified in the short
Amen
It actually means...
You don't go hard and long enough.
Mike mentzer was on roids to what the fuck you talking about? Everyone that practice bodybuilding are in roids
When the regular gymgoer thinks professional bodybuilders are trying to give them advice… 😂 they don’t care about you lil man they talking about competitive bodybuilders 🤦♂️.
People need to understand that resting is part of training. Better to consistently train and over-rest than overtrain and get no rest.
Food is #1. Its the hardest to stay consistant on and the easist to think you can skip with drugs. Rest is #2 because most people underestimate how imporant rest is for muscle growth. #3 is training. This is the easist because this is what we all love and enjoy. Nobody enjoys eating dry ass chicken and rice for the 21st time this week and then cleaning the dishes 6x a day.
@@garrydye2394SLEEP IS THE MOST IMPORTANT...YOU GROW WHEN YOU SLEEP...Even when you don't eat right you will still grow but don't sleep as much and have a great diet...your gains will stop like a fat old man off of Viagra
Sure but rest days where you ain’t doing jack shit all day are useless. Make your useless rest days something useful like cardio/recovery days. I have 1 full cardio day and 1 full recovery day which involves me deep stretching my entire body and multiple sauna rounds. Most importantly as long as you get your sleep and macros in and have a properly set up routine you will recover.
when i did martial arts i'd train around 4-8 hrs a day depending on what i was doing, i was also working construction. i ended up doing 12-16 hrs of physical activities a day and i was the healthiest i had been in my life.
Got zero to do with bodybuilding
There is no overtraining, there is only under recovering. If your diet and sleep are in check you will be able to handle a lot of work. If you’re on gear then overtraining is not even a thing
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I trained 6 days a week for 2-3 hours for years and got to the point that I couldn’t add any more size and I was no longer hitting PBs. I now train 4 times a week for an hour at full intensity Yates style and have packed on muscle mass and am hitting PBS almost every session. Overtraining is 100% a thing
What is PBS?
@@Jiujitsu.jon1 Probably personal best!?!
Natty? No judgement just curious
PBS = personal best shitheads
last week I did 4 consecutive full body days, each session 2-2.5h long and on the last day I started doing air squats for warm ups and my joints and muscles ached so bad that I just walked on treadmill for 40mins and went home, so definitely a thing
"I dont believe in overtraining"
- Proceeds to list a bunch of things you should do to avoid overtraining
No
People think the pyramids were built by aliens because of the amount of labor it required to build, truth is people didn't believe in overtraining, overworking, they worked all day, until they died. The soldiers of the past trained all day, not 45 minutes a day. Athletes, etc, all applies.
@@kevinleewilliams5119 So?
Who cares what people did in the past, we are in the present and we know that something as overtraining does exist and can have negative effects.
Yeah people in that time didnt believe that... So what? Since they didnt believe in that they magically we are all fine with no negative effects of being overworked?
The science says you can overtrain. He is giving anecdotes, and performance (recovery) enhanced anecdotes at that…
Bodybuilding isn’t about endurance and duration it’s about intensity and consistency
The biggest problem with this is not the muscle recovery but the connective tissue damage. working out twice today it’s stupid unless the workouts you’re doing is not all that intense or heavy and everything is dialed in
Absolutely.. that and your central nervous systems recovery limit. Depends how intense your going, but that many hours with intensity will fry your nervous system .
I guess part of it is these guys don't have a real job so they have time to fill and they love to train. It's be hard to make it as a pro if you didn't enjoy it
@Paul Cox
Fry your nervous system ?
Never heard that one before.
Your body still stop when you can't do no more
@Paul Cox
Fry your nervous system ?
Never heard that one before.
Your body still stop when you can't do no more
No just train different body parts. You can’t emphasize your whole body part otherwise
What if your training completely different body parts?
Jay Cutler said it best "there's no such thing as overtraining, just under-recovering"
Woow
Holly shit!
Should i tell my boss that there is no such thing as over working, just under-paying?
@@thegianthornet6922 I mean, everyone has a price.
Beast
This is why I respected Dorian so much. He admits he uses PEDs, but he also is advocating a style of training that would work if he didn't use PEDs.
It's like comparing a marathon runner and a sprinter.
The moral of the story is to do your research but test your own body over time. Cause everybody responds differently.
@@mrdeadboy lmao that was good 😂
Well Rob it seems we are amongst the very few on here with any common sense ,lol.
Also we are amongst the few that are not afraid to show an image of ourselves - unlike MANY on here, I think we both know why - the rest are likely couch potato's and people that have no right commenting on the human body which they know nothing about.
Exactly.
The key in bodybuilding is intense training, dieting and rest not how long you train.
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Imagine how many people this clown case will demotivate, because they'll start going to the gym for 2-3 hours(without gear) and will absolutely hate training.
Podcasts are mostly garbage 😂 dumbasses that nobody knows talking about anything and everything like they knew it all but hey he talked to arnold so thats the catch😂😂😂
One hour light weights second hour heavy working sets .. these dudes leave alot of shit out lol
What that gotta do with him because yal weak as hell? If you a follower anyway you already lose be yourself do yo own thang
Circuits are the Best, lightweights with laps in between, muscle man won't catch you and if he does he'll be nearing a heart attack.
@@Sandwich13455nonsense
Over training bodybuilders are the Best Legends ever exixted❤
Each body is different so find what your body reacts to best or be routine n see what works best for you
What you do during those “training sessions” is literally everything. Many times, the people bragging about the hours they put in every day treat their time there like they are on vacation and touring a museum. Anyone can train 6 hours a day if they only do five mild sets an hour.
And the fighters are mostly drilling technique. You can learn all day. You cannot weight train all day. “Training” is just a word.
You have never actually trained, you may of done some workouts but training like Lee and other pros is very different
If you’re a walking chemist I’m sure it’s possible
I think you mean "a walking chemistry lab" haha.
What you can tolerate and what is optimal is rarely the same thing
Well guys if you optimize recovery, with consistent blood flow, stretching, peptides, proper nutrition. Other factors that limit volume would be heart fatigue, central nervous system fatigue, and joint recovery. If you master the recovery process, then you masterd your training capacity. Natural or enhanced.
Rich Piana said it best, "If you're on a good cycle, eating 8000 calories a day and you're getting your sleep in, there's no such thing as overtraining"
Thats the stupidest thing ever uttered. Seriously
Overtraining is something very specific and it's not about how much time you spend.
This why i train 7 days a week and sleep 9-10 hours a day. Always late for work but the grind dont stop
It's just how much you do and how much you can handle, and how much you can get out for what you are putting in
Somebody needs to tell this guy that taking 10 minutes between sets doesn't count toward time training.
I hate the guy in the video. He's gonna get people killed. 1 hour 4 days a week is plenty. Jay cutler did 45minutes a day. Also if you choose to do more you need to listen to your body and eat perfectly
This guy? Lol he was one of the best on earth for years wtf have you done?
@@bdegrds Lee Priest never won an Olympia and his best finish was 6th. Actual multiple time winners have said stuff that contradicts what Priest has said here. Rather listen to them.
Bro said his central nervous system is built different than all other humans
Most people don't train hard period, and most don't do hard workouts in 45 minutes. There are some exceptions here and there but most people aren't Dorian Yates as someone else made a bad comparison to
Untrue, many of us can handle so called 'over training'
@@karlball42 you don't defy physics, there's diminished returns
@@Blakecheekk Can't argue with 44yrs experience.
I tried both training styles but Dorian is right man. If you train with intensity you don’t wanna be at the gym for the next 1 week. It’s hard to recover without the sauce
I fell for this shit when it hit the mags already back in the late 90s early 2000. All it does is ruin the conditioning
“As long as you bust your ass and train hard.”-While the gear you used is looking at you from the next room👀
45-90 minutes it’s perfectly fine. 2-3+ hours is definitely overkill. Not that you’d overtrain but it’ll impact recovery which can make you more prone to injury as well
But what if you are training multiple body parts in one session and you are resting well in between sets? 45 - 90 mins seems rushed to me. Especially if you are including compound movements like the deadlift and squat, you need to have a decent rest period between sets.
@@assassin0547 you are correct, cannot possible be training compound movements if your workout is that short, and DEFINETLY not resting enough time between sets.
Horse shit. I have just started my old routine of chest and back 3 times a week to test my body reaction now I am 57, takes me well over 3hrs to complete, I recover the same as when I was 18yrs old and have NEVER had a gym injury in 44yrs.
Some have the 'smarts' some clearly do not nor do many have the genetics for this sport, some of us spent hrs and hrs studying the human body and nutrition others spent no time at all.
@@assassin0547 it is rushed. Need more volume more time
He has to be talking about training with the assistance of PEDS. Without PEDS, you would be killing yourself. A human can not repair naturally that fast.
Fighters for sure have a varied workout. Some weight, cardio, technical stuff to their profession.
If overtraining is a myth, then why after 5 consecutive hours a day for 5 years straight did my mind literally disallow my body to go completely lethargic , well beyond simply not wanting to work out, but overtly kept me from working out. It took a year before i could force myself into the gym? The entire workout over the following year was nowhere near my regular intensity. I couldn't get the insane drive back no matter what i did. I was utterly perplexed! I took the past 5 years off, only in the past few weeks have i begun to feel like getting back into it. Crazy
Quality over quantity- you can spend all day at gym and accomplish nothing vs 45 min of intense workout
A real bodybuilder knows it has to be BOTH.
I think the overtraining thing only really applies to nattys. It’s very hard to overtrain on gear. That’s what I noticed when I did some test for a couple of months. The recovery was incredible. I never even felt Doms the whole time I was on it but was training hard and made big gains.
You can definitely overtrain on gear.
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Only if I could be a stay at home Dad, I would have all day to just work out...
Sorry I have 40-75 hr weeks at work to provide
You made that choice dude you don't get to complain about it now
Lmao complain to your wife
Staying at home all day looking after kids doesn't mean you have time to train, maybe get a physical job and workout all day that way.
You could easily fit in an hour workout in a 40 hour workweek schedule. It gets harder with 50 to 60 hours. 75 gets much harder
He's talking about people who want to be the best/biggest in the world, and you're complaining about work? No one is talking about average Joe trying to get a bit fitter here. Insecurity isn't very "Sigma."
Over training is real I’m suffering from it right now. You can’t “get your rest in” and also over train, because they’re opposites.
Yeah the difference is Lee was a professional who was getting paid to workout and win shows, most of us have full-time jobs so we have to be efficient with our training.
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So you wanna tell me you wanna be this massive figure training only 45 mins ?
Dorian yates : yes mf.
It really comes down to listening to your body not just forcing it. That changes perspectively through with pain threshold and drive but either way you can progressively push yourself to train way more often then someone might recommend. Your body will be clear if you need a break.
Exactly
That's 100 percent pure grade truth being injected right there.
Part of the benefit of using exogenous hormones is that you don't have to adhere to the normally prescribed hormone optimization protocols. Like avoiding training hard for over an hour.
I used to train 45 minutes a day 6 days a week, now i train 2 hours a day 4 fays a week, what matters most is giving your body a chance to revover (its also noticable i usually take 3-4 minute rests between sets where i used to jump right back in)
I think the body can be trained to adapt.
Humans used to be way more active everyday, there's no telling what's actually possible as far as growth.
Scientists learn new things all the time.
You guys do realize Dorian and mentzer only trained 45 min and Dorian won Olympia multiple times right lol. Bodybuilding unfortunately is not like most sports where the more often and longer you train the better. You stimulate , intensely , get out and recover
Moral of the story is train however you want as long as you’re training hard. Everyone wants to train low volume because Mentzwr did it or only squat because Tom Platz says so when I’m reality these guys would’ve been great no matter how they trained. Follow a training style you like by all means but there’s more than one way to skin a cat.
I train like one and a half hours, taking into consideration the warm up as well. I think it works very well, there is no need to create this battle between 45 mins or 3 hours.
Exactly, it's all just training.
It's obvious both methods work. What is important is which works for the individual. I prefer HIT. But I've done traditional for years. Both methods work so your point is spot on.
Bodybuilding is about growing the muscle (recovery), not breaking it down (training)
Basically whatever you can take, if it feels like too much then it's too much, if it feels too little then it's too little
It all depends on each individual person
Exactly
This is what everyone needs to understand. Everytime I trained 6 days a week, PPL x2, I ran in to recovery issues. Though I did typically train hard dropsetting every exercise. I can do 5 days a week fine (touch wood), but I am dancing around injuries and weak points. As a natural I feel like it's way too easy to get hurt. So I don't understand when these guys say the human body can take a lot of punishment, or volume or whatever, because my body fxcking can't. I've spent most of my lifting years on and off injured (biceps longhead), closing in on 3 years proper gym training.
Sometimes I just want to shout at these guys who say this shit. Maybe for all you fking roidheads.
@@TaxEvasi0n people on gear are actually more likely to get seriously injured. The joints, ligaments, tendons don't recover while you end up pushing more weight. When your natural, the body tells your when your overtraining. Being on gear makes it really hard to guage so people end up snapping something.
What I've notice is these elite bodybuilders seem to be immune from injury and I'm.guessing this is because of their specific genetics because normal people on roids would tear a pec training chest twice a day.
@@gmann8659 Thanks for your opinion. I've wondered this myself, and I do feel like I agree on this. Are we as normies, being natural, just prone to injury? How often do enhanced people get injured, in the form of over use or pulling muscles? Not mentioning the hardcore injuries like snapcity.
I'm coming back for a 2nd time healing a biceps longhead overuse injury. I just don't understand sometimes, feels like it will never be the same. I can load it with moderate weights and stimulate my chest again, but I cannot get high volume in yet. Going on gear to overcome injuries seems appealing sometimes.
@@TaxEvasi0n definitely listen to your body mate. I'm in a similar position to you, had a partial pec tear about a year ago and never felt the same since. I've managed to get back to the same strength level but it just doesn't feel quite right.
I think as naturals we definitely need more time to rest and incorporating deloads much more frequently has literally saved my body. Never use to do many before and every few weeks I'd pick up an injury whether it was my elbow, knee, bicep whatever.
Now when I deload I drop the weight a little and stay a little further away from failure, while cutting the volume in half. I feel this way I still get some stimulation without feeling detrained by just taking a week break or dropping the weight dramatically like I use to do prior.
How old are you btw? I'm 32 and definitely feel I need to train smarter now I'm getting older. My injuries just don't heal as fast anymore so I need to look after my body. Roiders get away with it when they are young but the ones who get the bad injuries tend to be older I find where you just can't get away with lifting heavy, twice a week on each body part, for months on end.
These stories are insane cause Testosterone is carrying you through that
No natty gunna get gains off 5 hours a day😂
Yep. You are just gon destroy your central nervous system's health and burn your muscle as fuel
Its sounds tough to say, “overtraining is a myth”. But im a professional kickboxer, ive had pro fights, and overtraining is a problem, rest in between fights and training gives such a boost in proformance
you got to counter with the myst of overdosing 😂
Even Arnold said that 20 minutes of proper effective training a day is all anyone needs.
If people were to go 2 hours a week every week the human race would look totally different
For calves! Lol 😆
Too bad the STEROID PANSIES can't lift weights for size and strength!
Stay natural buddy!
@@enolam99 you can jump rope for five minutes to warm up and you will be dripping with sweat. Then you can do push-ups, pull ups, bodyweight, squats, and hanging, sit ups, and you will feel the next day. its solid.
@@steroidsR4losers always!
Easy to recover when you're loading a pharmacy every week along with your meals. Naturals need rest and absolutely can over train and get stress injuries and other issues, especially on heavy compound lifts like deads and squats. I'm disabled and push myself the best I can but it catches up and I'll end up out for a week. I'd rather not have to skip that many workouts because I decided to ignore my body's cues.
@@K_j_M No one's upset, we're all calling out the glaring hypocrisy of heavy ped users acting like everyone can do what they did naturally. It's like a bunch of billionaires telling poor people how easy it is to buy homes, travel, and always have food because they think everyone has it as good as they do.
1 hour 15 min a day is been my length since i starting lifting 5 year ago around an hr is perfect for almost everyone
You can definitely overtrain on gear too. Tendonitis is one of the most common forms of injuries coming from overtraining. Gear doesn’t do a whole lot for tendon recovery. In fact, the stronger you get, the more intense you train, and the more volume you do, the longer the recovery time you will need. But go ahead and train chest for 2 hours every other day….see how far you get…
1.30-2hrs does the job for me
And your still built like a pretzel. Ramp it up
I wonder if you cut that to 45 to 50 minutes, but did less reps but higher weights and intensity to absolute failure how you would fair? Do it for like 3-4 months.