A Look at The Voyager Conspiracy (Voyager)
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2023
- Opinionated Voyager Episode Guide infiltrates The Voyager Conspiracy. Seven of Nine tries to become Sherlock Holmes but instead becomes Art Bell, convinced that they're predicament is so messed up it can only be the result of deliberate effort rather than just general incompetence. Keep dreaming, Seven.
Awww, it's so cute how Seven believes either the Federation or the Maquis could ever possibly be competent enough to enact a conspiracy of any size and complexity.
Hey now, the Federation almost pulled off a conspiracy to steal a planet and would have gotten away with it if they hadn't assigned the flagship's least ethically flexible crewmember to... do... something? Okay, yeah. The Federation are terrible at conspiracies.
Unless they have the help of a perfectly ordinary tailor.
* Section 31 rubs hands evilly.
@wendyheatherwood "and they would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those meddling crewmembers!"
@@Sir_Gugharde_Wuglis Section 31 are only able to sort-of-work because they're partly disconnected from the Federation :V
Yeah, the only people against whom Starfleet members could ever pull off a successful conspiracy are other Starfleet members.
@wendyheatherwood sorry I'm a little lost with that one, what are you talking about? Federation trying to steal a planet?
I love how damning the phrase "Despite all of this it's still an above average episode for Voyager" sounds.
Damned by faint praise is the phrase I believe.
@@jackwitt7430: That, or "backhanded compliment" might also apply.
I think the sentiment is that it tried to be worse than it actually ended up.
Janeway: "Awww. She figured out all of my plans! They grow up so fast... and even sowing confusion in the ranks of my enemies too! I might have prime right-hand servant material here!"
"proving that once again, Neelix's kitchen is a threat to the day to day functioning of Voyager." If I hadn't seen you cover a prior example, I'd assume that was hyperbole.
Lower Decks immortalizing the cheese that cooked Voyager is just the cherry on top.
Am I crazy in thinking there was an original plot idea - where Janeway finds a Starfleet intelligence Agent on her ship ? with cloaked weapons ?
Hold up. They investigate the magical space catapult because they've detected graviton readings. So they've detected... gravity. They've detected things with mass and/or energy in the area.
This is the show that popped "interferometrics" in place of [tech] in one of their scripts.
Presumably they've detected more gravimetric radiation than they would expect and/or different patterns than they would expect vs what otherwise appears to be there.
@@ZipplyZane No, you don't have to invent an even dumber excuse. It's already retarded enough.
In this case i'll give it a pass. It's not explained very good, but it would work if it means they found something that cannot happen naturally - like gravitation acting like it's activated and then deactivated.
"Above average episode for Voyager"
Damned by Faint Praise might as well be your nickname when it comes to Voyager.
There's also the fact that Voyager is a long-range science ship sent on a Maquis-hunting expedition when they might have sent a more suitable class of ship (X-files theme plays)
They gave new captain Janeway the easy crap job. AND SHE STILL BLEW IT.
'Doesn't make me wish for death' is a highly positive review for an episode of this series.
The catapult and way it works are kind of like the mass relays from Mass Effect.
I quite liked the depiction of FTL in Mass Effect. There is a surprising amount of worldbuilding in the Codex entries and generally everything is well thought out. It was quite refreshing compared to the hand wavy science fiction in most TV shows, at least until some of the more recent series like The Expanse.
And don't get me started on the nonsense that is the Ansible in Ender's Game, where characters can be traveling at relativistic speeds with much slower passage of time but somehow are able to communicate with characters at normal speeds. Even if instanteous communication were possible, too much time would pass for the normal-speed character in between sentences sent by the relativistic actor.
Seven nearly came to the terrifying realization that there *is* a grand master conspiracy: A grand master conspiracy to (GASP!) create the plot for a spinoff of a popular sci-fi show!
I like this one showing her more vulnerable side- despite possessed of Borg logic and stoicism she was assimilated as a child and shows it, being unprepared to deal with so much information all at once and becoming paranoid without being connected to the crew's minds. Sort of like Age of Ultron.
I kind of like this episode because it expose the concept of conspiracy theories as a person or a group of people gathering large amount of data/information without any context to them. Making the individual(s) to come up with so many different allegations based on the data that they have collected. Kind of similar to the DS9 episode *Statistical Probabilities*
In the 90s conspiracy theorists were viewed as silly but harmless. Sort of like making fun of your neighbour for collecting worn out toys. But once 9/11 struck that changed. Now their rants about the government or anything really seemed dangerous.
Yeah, better not think about the fact that if this was made today Seven would probably accuse Janeway of drinking the blood of alien children --- well ok, that sounds believable.
“We’re Explorers” would sound better if they weren’t utterly isolated and desperate to get back home.
Randomly poking at everything that looks interesting has the advantage of giving them something to do (we know for the void episode they go crazy if they go a couple of months without some crazy scifi stuff happening) and we know that they might (and in a few cases did) uncover a shortcut.
Seven binged the first 5 seasons of Voyager and went crazy. That is really telling.
I kinda like the way seven is pacing around while explaining her conspiracies, it gives the scene more of a "rambling" feel but at the same time like she's still sane enough to explain it all. It reminds me a lot of how people will act in a panic state of mind, but maybe I'm alone in that lol
Every time I see 7 of 9 I remember that the costume designer on Voyager kept getting angry messages from colleagues because cloth does not work that way
He fell out his window twice. onto a pile of bullets. So unfortunate.
Glad to see the Federation got rid of that nuisance HIPAA thing for nurses in the future...
That's the problem when your only nurse isn't a real nurse ... And how should Tom know if the Doctor himself isn't exactly known for keeping doctor-patient-confidentiality.
WW III had some unintended fallout - if you'll forgive the pun.
Chuck, you're *my* voyager conspiracy. For the past decade
This review makes me nostalgic now. Not for the era the episode was made in, but the one afterwards, when conspiracy culture was a thing of the past, except among fringe nutcases. Hell, could do with it just being predominantly rightwing thing again.
I miss the days when the ancient aliens history channel guy was the face that sprung to mind at the word conspiracy, rather than anti-vax and anti-mask nuts. When "conspiracy theorist" was synonymous with that weird guy living in the woods and brewing moonshine or the teen putting too much stock in creepypasta, instead of half the family.
@@KianaWolf Welcome to the internet age.
After social media made it ubiquitous both reality and the internet got a lot lamer.
It was never a predominantly rightwing thing; you just chose to view the world that way. Left wing conspiracies go back to the RFK and JFK's assassinations, the so-called "Business Plot" to overthrow the US government of the 1930's, among others.
0:50 - Maybe if Robert Beltram had agreed to wear skin tight spandex, he could have got himself some more focus stories.
The weird part of this episode? This was the plot of an episode of Space Cases. The catapult back to home, the suspicion of the guy running it, and one of the crew being paranoid. To be fair, THEIR paranoia turned out to be justified, as it turned out the ship they were on, the Christa, couldn't use the thing since it was partially biological, but the guy running it, rather than trying to trick them into it, was able to scan the ship a few minutes before it would go through, and realized it, apologizing for the tease, both to the crew and the audience I think.
Oh wow, Space Cases. Haven't heard of that show in like forever, barely remember it, but I remember being pretty fond of it as a kid. It had a really similar premise to Voyager to begin with, except with a teenage crew, right?
@@tarvoc746 A bit. It helped that their ship was an alien creation that they didn't understand, and of course, the crew of alien kids from various planets in the Sol system all had super powers.
We also had the two adults, and the android Thelma with them(The Commander was Goddard, I don't remember the female teacher's name). They were an interesting set of adventurers, and yes, the idea was they got shot through a wormhole that 'followed them' and shunted a few years away, like 2 or 3.
Mind, my biggest reason for remembering it is the guy who played Zach on Power Rangers(The Original Black Ranger) was the human kid on that one. Oh, and he was recently on that Power Rangers special on Netflix.
@@SageofStars The first part makes it sound a lot more like Prodigy, funnily enough.
@@Jokie155 Yeah, ST: Prodigy sorta kinda gave me similar vibes. I'd kind of describe Prodigy as "Space Cases meets Star Wars, but in the Star Trek universe".
Oh man, Space Cases. It was Voyager, but somehow smarter.
The Omega Molecule? Is that the thing she uses to go back in time by 13 seconds to undo a fatal mistakes?
So I forget...did they use the catapult? You know...the whole point of the episode..
They did and it took 3 years off their journey. But compared to the boosts they got from Kes (9 years), the Borg Transwarp Coil (15 years) and the Slipstream from Timeless before they were forced to shut it down (10 years), it was not that immense of a jump. Besides they still ran into Malon, Borg, Thaw etc despite those immense distances.
@@Amitlu And in the last season, somehow Talaxians some 40 years from home.
@@scockery For the Talaxians this would most likely more than 500 years from home ...
@@lordmontymord8701 Maybe, since how would they have gotten through "Borg space" at all.
"How did you get out here, so far away from Talaxia?"
"Oh, our Ocampa sent us."
"Your Ocampa?"
"Yeah, everyone knows when Ocampa are in space too long they develop gnarly mental powers, strong enough to send ships across the galaxy."
"Where is your Ocampa now?"
"She vanished. Then she came back and tried to kill us all. Weird, huh?"
@@scockery I can at least believe them getting through Borg space ... if a Borg ship finds them and doesn't need new drones right now then there is nothing gained from assimilating them. The Talaxian tech is far from interesting for the Borg. If they assimilate anything and anyone they come across the galaxy would be empty by now.
And some things, like Neelix' cooking skills or the mysogeny of the Kazon would actually hurt the Collective ...
I love that your Neelix leaves out the most interesting part - that this Ocampa was his girlfriend before - his one-year-old girlfriend to be precise. These are things you should better not tell anybody else ...
More voyager More voyager we love more voyager
You know it would have been better if they didn't show Seven convincing both Chakotay and Janeway of the others conspiracies. Pick one and only reveal the truth in the last few minutes. But of course Voyager screwed that up.
Another episode with great potential all thrown away.
Still, it's hilarious that The Federation or the Maquis could have pulled something like this off. Given what we've seen, they would have screwed it up before they even began and suddenly the Romulans have the Caretaker tech
This is what they want you to think.
Yeah, the tech from the Caretaker showing up tens of thousands of lightyears directly in Voyagers flightpath would be an unbelievable coincidence and no one could believe that. Janeway is right for once.
Just as nobody could believe Voyager being near enough to get the call for help from the fake VOY at the end of Course: Oblivion or being in range of the Equinox when that ship needed help ... so maybe it is possible.
A conspiracy theory including Janeway? Love it! But when Seven then switched really fast to the Maquis-conspiracy the episode lost a lot. What if Seven had kept her original story, digged deeper and deeper (of course only seeing the parts that fit her "theory" and nothing else), until she got enough coincidences that even Tuvok would raise an eyebrow this would have worked way better.
Agreed, it should have been a test of Chakotay and Tuvok's faith in Janeway alone and focused on their reactions and inner conflict between what they want to be true and what they fear may be true.
I OBJECT! Flight school is the perfect place to learn medical ethics. You certainly don't learn it in just one semester of school!
-It is scary how often Neelix's kitchen affects the ship. I actually remember his unpasteurized cheese giving the neuron gel an infection, one time. Janeway should have set better health codes after the first infraction!
-I didn't expect you to say that fleas were the main ingredient in Neelix's cooking. I expected you to continue your rant about how the fleas, from his whiskers, jumped in the stew! In a way that he wouldn't have known. Honestly, Janeway was in a VERY generous mood to offer him HER Captain's personal Mess Hall and uses it, a couple of times a season to destroy the rest of the ship. Talk about acts of appreciation! Never loan him use of anything, right? He's like that annoying neighbor that borrows your lawnmover only to return it needing gas, oil, a tune0up, and a new blade!
-Now that I think about it, that was an excellent Beavis and Butthead impersonation! Definitely Beavis! A few more syllables and you would have repeated the Haiku Beavis "made" in class.
-I like your monikers for aliens whom you never care to learn the names of. "Ugly" Nice!
-Every few episodes some one or something sends him them a little further home to make up for lost time. Kes was just one of them. Each of those contraptions, a borg warp-core generator, some alien, Q, etc.
-"Clonky" is right. I never noticed how Seven walked/paced in that scene. She is slouching (by compairson of her usual stance), wavering her body and swaying her head. That description alone makes her appear drunk or possessed (she acted like that then too). Usually, she walks with purpose and poise. With a straight back (probably the only way Jeri could breathe or prevent pain in ribs) and her neck high. That is weird! I don't think it's Jeri's fault because she was excellent at keeping her character even when Seven acted weird or was impaired. I think it was the director. Somebody told her to do that (or hinted and that is what she translated the hint into) and she did it. She may have no realized how it looked on camera or was confused by it but had no choice but to do it, anyway. Lord knows you can't argue with anybody in Star Trek productions! I've heard descriptions you've given of them trying, before!
-Your Beautiful Mind comparison is 100% accurate. That is exactly what was happening to him. His brain was going crazy and creating patterns that weren't there and manifesting voices to try to make sense of it all.
-Cartoon-Janeway's reaction to Chatokay's "poisoned drink" was spot on!
At least Neelix learn from his mistakes - this time it wasn't the cheese creating problems! Give him another 20 to 30 years and maybe he will have learned so much he won't be a danger to anyone around him ...
I think i noticed the strange way Jeri Ryan moved in that scenes at least subconsciously. Something always seemed off. I understand they wanted to show her reacting in a totally weird way, but it didn't work right.
The only conspiracy here was against Robert Beltran. It's a vast conspiracy spanning seven seasons and taking the sanity of one actor and an entire audience.
Bioware in 2004:
Write that down! Write that down!
Seven goes the Full Agent Mulder in this one .
You never go Full Fox Mulder.
Or full Fox News.
Why does a holographic doctor need to use a screen to interact with the computer to run simulations. People just can't seem to comprehend that the doctor isn't there he's just a program running on the computer. It's like people treating the computer monitor as if it were the computer.
Precisely! That's been driving me nuts as well. A closely related nonsense is how, whenever they need some historical or medical data from their database, they have to go to the holodeck and have the ship computer simulate the scientist or doctor who invented X and talk to the hologram. What? Dear script writers, you are telling me Federation ships are flying around with superfluous data about the entire personality structure of historical person X, including their professional knowledge and the ship's computer can simulate them as an A.I. construct... but can't extract the relevant data from those files and just, i dunno, print a read-out???
At some point I decided Star Trek (especially _Voyager_ and lately _Discovery_ only make sense if I pretend it's run on Fantasy genre tropes, specifically the old _World of Darkness_ pen and paper RPG by White Wolf and its gameline "Mage: the Ascension". Then the ch not accessing data their computer already had available the whole time, they're Void Engineer technomages using a technomagic ritual to gain that information via the spheres of Time and Mind by actually summoning the spirit of Person X into a hologram. The Warp drive is a big well of Quintessence, technobabble and Picard saying "Engage!" is literally a spell formula to make the ship go, and holodeck malfunctions are a way for the crew to get rid of excess Reality Paradox energy.
It saves me so much headache...
@TF2CrunchyFrog This is why I say TNG-era "holograms" are more like necromancy than technology.
Oh, that's easy. The Doctor is just really badly designed, like most Starfleet technology. He can't actually interface with the computer. Instead of a program that interfaces with the central computer AND simulates a personality, they made a program that simulates a personality which then interfaces with the computer. At human speeds.
It's like how the Holodeck has it's own separate reactor for no apparent reason.
@@Lemon_Inspector It was indeed hilarious how they dealt with imminent doom due to lack of power in Picard by hiding in the holodeck to escape reality instead of using the holodeck's power to escape the imminent doom.
@@Lemon_Inspector I imagine the doctor also likes to interact physically with technology to make him feel more alive.
"Captain, it is scientifically proven that jet fuel cannot melt steel beams."
"Please stop talking, Seven."
You kept focusing on the fact that the Astronometrics door didn’t open when Seven was pacing. You must have missed-or forgot-that she instructed the Computer to lock the door & turn off the internal sensor so they weren’t walked in on during the conversation.
12:43 Chuck, I think you unintentionally predicted the 'Q-Anon/Deep-State' phenomenon. Like Achebe, with the Nigerian coup!
I find chuckles ascertation that "we're explorers" a bit hollow. You're not mate, you're a traitor who left the federation to become a terrorist....
Other way around. Federation left them... handed over territory to the Cardassians. The resistance became the maquis.
@@polishedpebble4111 oho! A sympathiser!
Section 31, obsidian order, we've got a potential collaborator over here!
He's using Janeway's own words against her to get what he wanted.
@@ZipplyZane He's thinking like woman!
Watching TV was the highlife. I cite Captain Proton as evidence.
They never explained the image of the ship with a tractor beam on the Caretaker's array.... it would seem like something they would want to investigate further....
Neelix is disgusting. He needs to be thrown out the airlock.
Tuvok was a Romulan.
And they were shadowed by his cloaked ship the whole time.
@@scockery wouldnt that have been neat. Met by a dozen warbirds near Romulan Space, Tuvok gives Janeway the same speech Tuvok gave Chakotay in ep one.
At this point conspiracy theorist is just another word for 6 months ahead of the news
I love this episode, being a conspiracy theorist myself.
Are you really a conspiracy theorist, or is that just what They want you to think?
"You know I'm something of a conspiracist myself."
was thinking about this ep the other day
Conspiracy theories too much time on your hands , one our country's fetishes
i am a free spirited person
It was section 31
algorithm comment
"Conspiracy theories are wrong, mkay?"
The alien from planet Zero is talking "hours", then "days" will be only "years." How would an alien from planet zero in whatever galaxy quadrant have any concept of Earth time? I like voyager but its lazy insulting writers have no scruples about insulting us, the audience. Jerks.
almost everything in this vid is off. its like you dont get the characters. though your spot on about conspiracies and paterns. however sevens character grew up as a drone. her humanity isnt fully realized yet at this point. so the episode played it perfectly.
I still think Always Sunny did it better.