The Quranists/ Quran only group has nothing to stand on. Simple as this. There was a time the prophet (saw) was gone and the Quran was in the hands of others; complete strangers; and not in large quantities. Actually if you can’t look at history at all (which Quranists admit they can not) we wouldn’t know if there was one copy or 2 or 3. So the question is......After the death of the prophet ﷺ; Who were the ones in charge and in possession of the Quran at that time? Say like a year or two after he was gone? Who were they and how do you know they didn’t tamper with the Quran.? Can the Quranite give us some names? Using Quran only you cannot. You can’t provide one name of who had it, using the Quran alone as your only reference. You know how ridiculous that is? How do you know for certain, verses like ‘this is a book with no doubt’; ‘nothing is left out’ , ‘a blessed book’ ; ‘we will protect this book’ etc etc weren’t just added in by those people who had possession of the Quran after the death of the Prophet ﷺ Anyone with a functioning brain knows the first thing someone who tampers with a book would write down in that very book is that no one tampered with the book. That’s common sense. Even more significant and a crushing blow to every Quranist; is how can Quran only people prove some verses or entire chapters weren’t taken out??? You would have no clue if there was even more in it. To make it even worse for the Quranite; Do these people even realize that this is the EXACT thing that actually did in fact happen to the two previous scriptures? The Torah and the injeel. Those books had portions removed from the original.! This is even confirmed in the Quran. Some argue extremely large portions. So the possibility was very very real. And it still gets even worse for the Quranite. The Quran itself talks about the Prophet (ﷺ ) having enemies who were against him. Proving there were people who were motivated to alter and harm the message of Allah. All this being considered I find it hard to believe the true religion of Allah would have no answer to who even had possession of the literal word of God after the prophet (ﷺ) was gone. It is illogical to think Allah would have the most important event in history (the revelation of the Quran) be unverifiable just like the previous revelations who’s messages were mangled. The Quran only sect has no way whatsoever of proving the authenticity of the Quran using the Quran alone, making the entire foundation of their faith crumble to dust. And please don’t bother using Abu bakr or any other sahaba. That’s historical info. The same historical info you reject with hadeeths. Using Quran alone you have no ability to verify the Quran. I’ve done my best to explain it clearly. No Quranist has been able to answer the question. Because they have no valid answer. You will stand alone before Allah. You must reflect on this. May Allah guide us all.
The truth is that those who reject the Sunnah ultimately reject the Qur'an. They want to understand the Qur'an according to their own interpretation and desires.
clearly the quran tell us to perform solah, zakat, hajj...how are we going to perform all of this? unless we have the hadis and sunnah from rasulullah...ask the hadis rejector, do they perform solah? do they pay zakat?
This guy is very argumentative, he has been told and explained clearly before (in Speaker's Corner) that as Muslims we MUST believe in Quran and Hadith but he just would not listen and he refuses to accept the truth. There are people who just lack understandings and just like to argue for the sake or arguing. My brother (the Hadith rejector), if you are reading this comment, please look at all your discussions and come to accept the truth and stop wasting your time arguing about facts. This will destroy your Imaan and will make you amongst the losers. Please stop arguing and read the Quran with an open mind and a clear heart and come back to Islam. Do not waste any more time, you have been debunked several times, use your energy to bring others to the truth by establishing the message of Islam and ask non believers to to obey Allah and obey Mohammad (pbuh). You are wasting not good Dawah time but you are slowly taking yourself out of Islaam. May Allah guide you and show you the right path - Ameen
There is nothing wrong with asking questions especially when it comes to Hadith as there were many hadith that were rejected and some stayed as weak, Go back to the history of Islam there were many dynasties and Muslims fought each other for power, Surely, they all say they obey Allah and the Prophet but in reality, they didn't right now Saudia is a kingdom this is definitely not Islam teaching, the hypocrite can't touch or change the Quran but they can do with hadith, You hear many Muslims mention logic but when it comes to some hadith they throw logic out of the window as the second coming of Jesus and a stone speaks, a tree speaks, the anti-Christ all this nonsense come from Christianity like the trinity, Did the prophet mention the second coming or was it the scholar did? did they do this because the Quran mention every soul must test death and they have no explanation of what happened to Jesus? Allah guided those who wanted Guidance Allah is just and doesn't choose who to guide and who to leave behind,
ironically the book as he calls it comes from the same source as the hadiths he rejects :) he says he only reads qur'an and doesnt know the verse frm the quran tht br yusuf was reciting lol
The Quran does not come to us the same way the Hadith does, that’s ridiculous. The Quran has been a living tradition since the time of the prophet. Hadith is heresay by fallible men throughout time. Can’t even be compared
@@kamranrefai2674 the exact same way the quran was preserved the hadith were.....by the exact same "fallible men" lmao. To claim the hadith that are as mutawatir as the quran are heresay is kufr. may allah guide us all
@@dawandawan1 he did not lie brother lmao you got completely rinsed and instead of being humble you carried on with this arrogance and ignorance even years later
@@dawandawan1 how do you know the quran is allah's words, contemplate that question, and you will soon learn how idiotic it is to reject sunnah. come to islam brother salaam
@@dawandawan1 Where can we find the bayan (clear explanation) of the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wassallam to The Noble Qur'an? "With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) the Dhikr [reminder and the advice (i.e. the Qur’ân)], that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought." (Surah Al-Nahl 16:44)
@@dawandawan1 Yes The Qur'an is fully detailed including 16:44 where ALLAH says He sent down The Qur'an to Prophet Muhammad so that he explains clearly to us what what is sent down to them. So give me full details of The Prophet Muhammad's teachings of The Noble Qur'an? Where can I find it? Or are you saying this hasn't been preserved?
Just had a thought of Prophet (PBUH) in regards to his last and final sermon..He said he's left two things for us. The Quran & his Sunnah. Follow these and do not astray. So in terms of rejecting Ahadith has that brother not pondered over this, I was hoping this would have been brought up in this conversation.
Qur'anist (Hadoth rejectors) are growing. I met 1 in Cairo, Egypt on a bus. The people wanted to whoop him. There is a lot in America also. They reject hadiths but they refuse to show me step by step the process for wudu, prayer, hajj & other things. I had one say Umrah, Hajj & taraweeh are innovation
Wasn’t this the guy that got demolished by Muslim lantern. Some people never learn. Muhammad gave him clear points in the Quran which points to another revelation outside the Quran like the point he made on the direction of the first qibla (btw not found in quran). Muhammad’s points were so strong that even this guy agreed. إِنَّكَ لَا تَهْدِى مَنْ أَحْبَبْتَ وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَهْدِى مَن يَشَآءُ ۚ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِٱلْمُهْتَدِينَ
Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." [3:31] Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers. [3:32] Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification." [24:54]
The companions May Allah be pleased with them followed his Sunnah and they conveyed the prophet sallalaa hu alayhi Wasalam Sunnah so where has this modernist Quranite concept come from
The Quranists/ Quran only group has nothing to stand on. Simple as this. There was a time the prophet (saw) was gone and the Quran was in the hands of others; complete strangers; and not in large quantities. Actually if you can’t look at history at all (which Quranists admit they can not) we wouldn’t know if there was one copy or 2 or 3. So the question is......After the death of the prophet ﷺ; Who were the ones in charge and in possession of the Quran at that time? Say like a year or two after he was gone? Who were they and how do you know they didn’t tamper with the Quran.? Can the Quranite give us some names? Using Quran only you cannot. You can’t provide one name of who had it, using the Quran alone as your only reference. You know how ridiculous that is? How do you know for certain, verses like ‘this is a book with no doubt’; ‘nothing is left out’ , ‘a blessed book’ ; ‘we will protect this book’ etc etc weren’t just added in by those people who had possession of the Quran after the death of the Prophet ﷺ Anyone with a functioning brain knows the first thing someone who tampers with a book would write down in that very book is that no one tampered with the book. That’s common sense. Even more significant and a crushing blow to every Quranist; is how can Quran only people prove some verses or entire chapters weren’t taken out??? You would have no clue if there was even more in it. To make it even worse for the Quranite; Do these people even realize that this is the EXACT thing that actually did in fact happen to the two previous scriptures? The Torah and the injeel. Those books had portions removed from the original.! This is even confirmed in the Quran. Some argue extremely large portions. So the possibility was very very real. And it still gets even worse for the Quranite. The Quran itself talks about the Prophet (ﷺ ) having enemies who were against him. Proving there were people who were motivated to alter and harm the message of Allah. All this being considered I find it hard to believe the true religion of Allah would have no answer to who even had possession of the literal word of God after the prophet (ﷺ) was gone. It is illogical to think Allah would have the most important event in history (the revelation of the Quran) be unverifiable just like the previous revelations who’s messages were mangled. The Quran only sect has no way whatsoever of proving the authenticity of the Quran using the Quran alone, making the entire foundation of their faith crumble to dust. And please don’t bother using Abu bakr or any other sahaba. That’s historical info. The same historical info you reject with hadeeths. Using Quran alone you have no ability to verify the Quran. I’ve done my best to explain it clearly. No Quranist has been able to answer the question. Because they have no valid answer. You will stand alone before Allah. You must reflect on this. May Allah guide us all.
This is is a person who argues for the sake of arguing loves the sound of his voice. If he dnt change he will find no one to pray his funeral and bury him
29:59 I've given this guy a fair share of my time and attention. if I'm a fraud investigator, this is the point where I think it's clear, he thinks his interpretation of the Quran is better than the Prophet PBUH. May Allah protect him from the shaitan's whispers
Hypocritical people are considered harmful to Islam for several reasons: 1.Erosion of Trust: Hypocrites, who outwardly claim to be Muslims but inwardly do not believe or act accordingly, undermine trust within the community. Their actions and words may contradict Islamic principles, causing confusion and distrust among believers. 2.Misrepresentation of Islam: Hypocrites may present a false image of Islam by not practicing what they preach. This can lead to misunderstandings about the religion among both Muslims and non-Muslims, damaging the faith’s reputation. 3.Undermining Unity: Islam places great emphasis on the unity of the Muslim community (Ummah). Hypocritical behavior can sow discord and division among Muslims, weakening the collective strength and unity that is essential for a healthy community. 4.Moral Corruption: Hypocrites can contribute to moral decay by setting bad examples. When they engage in unethical behavior while claiming to be Muslims, it can lead others to stray from Islamic teachings or justify their own wrong actions. 5.Weakening Faith: Hypocrites may cause believers to question their own faith or the sincerity of others in the community. This can lead to a weakening of collective spiritual strength and diminish the overall moral and ethical standards upheld by the community. In Islamic teachings, hypocrisy (known as nifaq) is a serious sin, as it involves deceit and dishonesty, which are strongly condemned in the Quran and Hadith. Hypocrites are often warned about severe consequences in the hereafter for their duplicity and betrayal of the faith.
Sunnah came to us through ijma and tawatur not Hadith! Prayer call can be found in ijma of ummah from prophet’s time! We don’t need Abu huraira or Abu bakr specifically to tell us what prayer call is!
The problem with most people is their inability to differentiate between Sunnah and Hadith. Javed Ahmad Ghamidi has had a detailed discussion on the topic
In that same breadth then, the use of Hadith as a source of Islamic knowledge has come through Ijma starting from the sahaba through our time now loool.
@@ishrak1105 When we say Ijma and tawatur, it simply means it became public knowledge in the prophet's life. Hadith became public knowledge when Hadith books were written. For example, I don't need to know the chain of hadith from Bukhari to me because Bukhari became public!
Hadees rejecter are just like those non Muslims who follow their desires and cannot restrict the themselves from it by not following hadees where every command is in detail ..
The oral Torah has no support from the Old Testament. The oral Torah written over a thousand years after Moses The oral Torah has no chains back to the source Unlike the sunnah of the prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم
The problem with that guy is he was explained so clearly that Allah told us to ask prophet mohammad pbuh for what they don't understand in quran and this guy still don't want to accept hadith then it's pointless talking to this hadith rejector coz he is not honest to aceot thz truth.
A simple question: will we have had Islamic beliefs and practices intact without Ahadith? In other words, suppose no one had compiled Ahadith, would Islam still exist as it is? If yes, the Ahadith don’t add anything new to Deen. They are a good treasure for explanation of Quran and Sunnah but they don’t constitute independent source of Sharia
The Quranists/ Quran only group has nothing to stand on. Simple as this. There was a time the prophet (saw) was gone and the Quran was in the hands of others; complete strangers; and not in large quantities. Actually if you can’t look at history at all (which Quranists admit they can not) we wouldn’t know if there was one copy or 2 or 3. So the question is......After the death of the prophet ﷺ; Who were the ones in charge and in possession of the Quran at that time? Say like a year or two after he was gone? Who were they and how do you know they didn’t tamper with the Quran.? Can the Quranite give us some names? Using Quran only you cannot. You can’t provide one name of who had it, using the Quran alone as your only reference. You know how ridiculous that is? How do you know for certain, verses like ‘this is a book with no doubt’; ‘nothing is left out’ , ‘a blessed book’ ; ‘we will protect this book’ etc etc weren’t just added in by those people who had possession of the Quran after the death of the Prophet ﷺ Anyone with a functioning brain knows the first thing someone who tampers with a book would write down in that very book is that no one tampered with the book. That’s common sense. Even more significant and a crushing blow to every Quranist; is how can Quran only people prove some verses or entire chapters weren’t taken out??? You would have no clue if there was even more in it. To make it even worse for the Quranite; Do these people even realize that this is the EXACT thing that actually did in fact happen to the two previous scriptures? The Torah and the injeel. Those books had portions removed from the original.! This is even confirmed in the Quran. Some argue extremely large portions. So the possibility was very very real. And it still gets even worse for the Quranite. The Quran itself talks about the Prophet (ﷺ ) having enemies who were against him. Proving there were people who were motivated to alter and harm the message of Allah. All this being considered I find it hard to believe the true religion of Allah would have no answer to who even had possession of the literal word of God after the prophet (ﷺ) was gone. It is illogical to think Allah would have the most important event in history (the revelation of the Quran) be unverifiable just like the previous revelations who’s messages were mangled. The Quran only sect has no way whatsoever of proving the authenticity of the Quran using the Quran alone, making the entire foundation of their faith crumble to dust. And please don’t bother using Abu bakr or any other sahaba. That’s historical info. The same historical info you reject with hadeeths. Using Quran alone you have no ability to verify the Quran. I’ve done my best to explain it clearly. No Quranist has been able to answer the question. Because they have no valid answer. You will stand alone before Allah. You must reflect on this. May Allah guide us all.
No you will NOT have Islamic beliefs and practices without hadith. What is the hadith? It is the guidance from Muhammed(saw) teaching us how to obey the Allah/Quran. If no one compiled hadith, you would not even know when a ayat was revealed and a explanation of the ayat. Your making a fake argument that no Muslim has ever made. NO Muslim says that the hadith are an "independent" source of Shariah. Rather All Islamic scholars say the Shariah Comes from Quran and the guidance of Muhammed. The Quran tells you to follow the guidence of Muhammed.
20:40 when this guy struggles with separating Muhammad the creation and Allah the creator, it makes him sound like a common Christian talking about the trinity.
His problem is that He thinks that the only revilation the prophet s.a.w. recieved was Quran and that Allah never sent him any information or knowledge outside that. Nor does he think that the Prophet ever parapharased what he'd recieved from Angel Gibrael inorder to resolve disputes, questions or explaining his own practice. Allah's Word = Quran Sunnah = stuff the Prophet s.a.w. did or sad based on what he'd been taught by Allah. The sunnah exists, the Prophet had a brain and was given the authority to explain things in his own words without having to act like a mobile phone for Allah, Allah allowed the prophet to explain things in his own words, not everything had to be included in the Quran.
Certainly did Allah confer [great] favor upon the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from themselves, reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom, although they had been before in manifest error. [3:164] Certainly did Allah confer [great] favor upon the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from themselves, reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom, although they had been before in manifest error. [3:164] That is from what your Lord has revealed to you, [O Muhammad], of wisdom. And, [O mankind], do not make [as equal] with Allah another deity, lest you be thrown into Hell, blamed and banished. [17:39] It is He who has sent among the unlettered a Messenger from themselves reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom - although they were before in clear error - [62:2]
hmmm is there any hadist (sahih) contradict qur'an ?, probably someone need to learn arabic first, then can understand what arab people saying, then learn about old arabic languange that hasn't been mixed with other arabian peninsula language, then probably you will understand how to translate hadist correctly as per word or contextual, for qur'an arabic languange it's more easier but not as easy as learning daily arabic, but as this man said it's everyone choice if only learning so sure can fully understand about qur'an meaning (mostly only from translation) then it's only an opinion but alloh said very clearly there are muhkamat and mutasyabihat verse, and hadist mostly mutasyabihat, and qur'an was sent down in arabic
This quranist is just wasting your time unfortunately. What's the point of engaging in someone who's already made his mind up? I have realised a lot of quranists will say: "I don't know and will look into it." Feels like these quranists just engage in these dialogues strategically in the hopes of attracting and introducing muslims to their sect.
He insisted that he followed the Quran....then the next minute rejects the verses shown to him...without realising it. .May Allah Guides us all
He didn't learn anything with his discussion with Muhammad-Ali (Muslim Lantern).. May Allah guide him and us
Or maybe muslim lantern was wrong.
He wasn't tho, we have to follow the Sunnah @@scottholder4431
Guys contradicting himself through the whole conversation.
The Quranists/ Quran only group has nothing to stand on. Simple as this.
There was a time the prophet (saw) was gone and the Quran was in the hands of others; complete strangers; and not in large quantities. Actually if you can’t look at history at all (which Quranists admit they can not) we wouldn’t know if there was one copy or 2 or 3. So the question is......After the death of the prophet ﷺ; Who were the ones in charge and in possession of the Quran at that time? Say like a year or two after he was gone? Who were they and how do you know they didn’t tamper with the Quran.? Can the Quranite give us some names?
Using Quran only you cannot. You can’t provide one name of who had it, using the Quran alone as your only reference. You know how ridiculous that is? How do you know for certain, verses like ‘this is a book with no doubt’; ‘nothing is left out’ , ‘a blessed book’ ; ‘we will protect this book’ etc etc weren’t just added in by those people who had possession of the Quran after the death of the Prophet ﷺ
Anyone with a functioning brain knows the first thing someone who tampers with a book would write down in that very book is that no one tampered with the book. That’s common sense.
Even more significant and a crushing blow to every Quranist; is how can Quran only people prove some verses or entire chapters weren’t taken out??? You would have no clue if there was even more in it.
To make it even worse for the Quranite; Do these people even realize that this is the EXACT thing that actually did in fact happen to the two previous scriptures? The Torah and the injeel. Those books had portions removed from the original.! This is even confirmed in the Quran. Some argue extremely large portions. So the possibility was very very real.
And it still gets even worse for the Quranite. The Quran itself talks about the Prophet (ﷺ ) having enemies who were against him. Proving there were people who were motivated to alter and harm the message of Allah.
All this being considered I find it hard to believe the true religion of Allah would have no answer to who even had possession of the literal word of God after the prophet (ﷺ) was gone. It is illogical to think Allah would have the most important event in history (the revelation of the Quran) be unverifiable just like the previous revelations who’s messages were mangled.
The Quran only sect has no way whatsoever of proving the authenticity of the Quran using the Quran alone, making the entire foundation of their faith crumble to dust. And please don’t bother using Abu bakr or any other sahaba. That’s historical info. The same historical info you reject with hadeeths. Using Quran alone you have no ability to verify the Quran. I’ve done my best to explain it clearly. No Quranist has been able to answer the question. Because they have no valid answer. You will stand alone before Allah. You must reflect on this. May Allah guide us all.
quranist are not muslims
The truth is that those who reject the Sunnah ultimately reject the Qur'an. They want to understand the Qur'an according to their own interpretation and desires.
This discussion refresh our emaan and increase our love for Nabi (saw).
May Allah SWT guide him to Quran and Sunnah and all of us
Very rude guy thinking he knows everything and blinded by arrogance
clearly the quran tell us to perform solah, zakat, hajj...how are we going to perform all of this? unless we have the hadis and sunnah from rasulullah...ask the hadis rejector, do they perform solah? do they pay zakat?
They don't
This guy is very argumentative, he has been told and explained clearly before (in Speaker's Corner) that as Muslims we MUST believe in Quran and Hadith but he just would not listen and he refuses to accept the truth. There are people who just lack understandings and just like to argue for the sake or arguing. My brother (the Hadith rejector), if you are reading this comment, please look at all your discussions and come to accept the truth and stop wasting your time arguing about facts. This will destroy your Imaan and will make you amongst the losers. Please stop arguing and read the Quran with an open mind and a clear heart and come back to Islam. Do not waste any more time, you have been debunked several times, use your energy to bring others to the truth by establishing the message of Islam and ask non believers to to obey Allah and obey Mohammad (pbuh). You are wasting not good Dawah time but you are slowly taking yourself out of Islaam. May Allah guide you and show you the right path - Ameen
There is nothing wrong with asking questions especially when it comes to Hadith as there were many hadith that were rejected and some stayed as weak, Go back to the history of Islam there were many dynasties and Muslims fought each other for power, Surely, they all say they obey Allah and the Prophet but in reality, they didn't right now Saudia is a kingdom this is definitely not Islam teaching, the hypocrite can't touch or change the Quran but they can do with hadith, You hear many Muslims mention logic but when it comes to some hadith they throw logic out of the window as the second coming of Jesus and a stone speaks, a tree speaks, the anti-Christ all this nonsense come from Christianity like the trinity,
Did the prophet mention the second coming or was it the scholar did? did they do this because the Quran mention every soul must test death and they have no explanation of what happened to Jesus?
Allah guided those who wanted Guidance Allah is just and doesn't choose who to guide and who to leave behind,
ironically the book as he calls it comes from the same source as the hadiths he rejects :)
he says he only reads qur'an and doesnt know the verse frm the quran tht br yusuf was reciting lol
The Quran does not come to us the same way the Hadith does, that’s ridiculous.
The Quran has been a living tradition since the time of the prophet. Hadith is heresay by fallible men throughout time. Can’t even be compared
@@kamranrefai2674 the exact same way the quran was preserved the hadith were.....by the exact same "fallible men" lmao. To claim the hadith that are as mutawatir as the quran are heresay is kufr. may allah guide us all
@@kamranrefai2674it came through the same generations
I am your brother from Yemen, please ignore the sister...she is crazy!
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Brother look after your sister then
@Slaw6602 she is difficult! We are powerless in stopping her begging so the family are asking people to ignore her.
Lol
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ما شاء الله so good explanation from from br. yusuf
clear example of a hypocrite !
Cognitive dissonance!!! And a large sprinkle of arrogance!
Guy with the cap,has an excellent skill of following the conversation.
Very important, according to Dr.Norman Fincklestein PhD
“You waffled” 😂😂😂
Muslim Lantern explained
@@dawandawan1 he did not lie brother lmao you got completely rinsed and instead of being humble you carried on with this arrogance and ignorance even years later
@@dawandawan1 how do you know the quran is allah's words, contemplate that question, and you will soon learn how idiotic it is to reject sunnah. come to islam brother salaam
@@dawandawan1 Where can we find the bayan (clear explanation) of the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wassallam to The Noble Qur'an?
"With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) the Dhikr [reminder and the advice (i.e. the Qur’ân)], that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought." (Surah Al-Nahl 16:44)
@@dawandawan1 So you reject 16:44 in other words? Just say it.
@@dawandawan1 Yes The Qur'an is fully detailed including 16:44 where ALLAH says He sent down The Qur'an to Prophet Muhammad so that he explains clearly to us what what is sent down to them.
So give me full details of The Prophet Muhammad's teachings of The Noble Qur'an? Where can I find it? Or are you saying this hasn't been preserved?
When a person trying to be smarter than Allah swt, Allah will challenge his faith & piety. If he is sincere to find truth he'll be quided.
Br yusuf is well known and a student of knowledge who has travelled and sought knowledge and ibknow him for good and diligence
Many will walk it, but only a few will make it.
I rest my case.
Just had a thought of Prophet (PBUH) in regards to his last and final sermon..He said he's left two things for us. The Quran & his Sunnah. Follow these and do not astray. So in terms of rejecting Ahadith has that brother not pondered over this, I was hoping this would have been brought up in this conversation.
@@dawandawan1who told you surah 17:88 is pat of the Quran then? is my question then
@@dawandawan1 im not doubt it, again who told you surah 2:2 is part of Quran?
God commands us to follow but says its not clear!
Sounds cuts off from 22 minutes to 23 minutes
Qur'anist (Hadoth rejectors) are growing.
I met 1 in Cairo, Egypt on a bus. The people wanted to whoop him. There is a lot in America also.
They reject hadiths but they refuse to show me step by step the process for wudu, prayer, hajj & other things.
I had one say Umrah, Hajj & taraweeh are innovation
Wasn’t this the guy that got demolished by Muslim lantern. Some people never learn. Muhammad gave him clear points in the Quran which points to another revelation outside the Quran like the point he made on the direction of the first qibla (btw not found in quran). Muhammad’s points were so strong that even this guy agreed.
إِنَّكَ لَا تَهْدِى مَنْ أَحْبَبْتَ وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَهْدِى مَن يَشَآءُ ۚ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِٱلْمُهْتَدِينَ
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3:10 - the guy doesn't read the quran, the punishment is twice for the wives of the Prophet, and only half for the working women.
Omg😂 not this guy , I thought he must have killed himself after the debate with Muslim lantern
He doesn’t know the role of Prophets and Messengers. If he read the Quran and understood it, there wouldn’t be an issue.
Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." [3:31]
Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers. [3:32]
Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification." [24:54]
The companions May Allah be pleased with them followed his Sunnah and they conveyed the prophet sallalaa hu alayhi Wasalam Sunnah so where has this modernist Quranite concept come from
The Quranists/ Quran only group has nothing to stand on. Simple as this.
There was a time the prophet (saw) was gone and the Quran was in the hands of others; complete strangers; and not in large quantities. Actually if you can’t look at history at all (which Quranists admit they can not) we wouldn’t know if there was one copy or 2 or 3. So the question is......After the death of the prophet ﷺ; Who were the ones in charge and in possession of the Quran at that time? Say like a year or two after he was gone? Who were they and how do you know they didn’t tamper with the Quran.? Can the Quranite give us some names?
Using Quran only you cannot. You can’t provide one name of who had it, using the Quran alone as your only reference. You know how ridiculous that is? How do you know for certain, verses like ‘this is a book with no doubt’; ‘nothing is left out’ , ‘a blessed book’ ; ‘we will protect this book’ etc etc weren’t just added in by those people who had possession of the Quran after the death of the Prophet ﷺ
Anyone with a functioning brain knows the first thing someone who tampers with a book would write down in that very book is that no one tampered with the book. That’s common sense.
Even more significant and a crushing blow to every Quranist; is how can Quran only people prove some verses or entire chapters weren’t taken out??? You would have no clue if there was even more in it.
To make it even worse for the Quranite; Do these people even realize that this is the EXACT thing that actually did in fact happen to the two previous scriptures? The Torah and the injeel. Those books had portions removed from the original.! This is even confirmed in the Quran. Some argue extremely large portions. So the possibility was very very real.
And it still gets even worse for the Quranite. The Quran itself talks about the Prophet (ﷺ ) having enemies who were against him. Proving there were people who were motivated to alter and harm the message of Allah.
All this being considered I find it hard to believe the true religion of Allah would have no answer to who even had possession of the literal word of God after the prophet (ﷺ) was gone. It is illogical to think Allah would have the most important event in history (the revelation of the Quran) be unverifiable just like the previous revelations who’s messages were mangled.
The Quran only sect has no way whatsoever of proving the authenticity of the Quran using the Quran alone, making the entire foundation of their faith crumble to dust. And please don’t bother using Abu bakr or any other sahaba. That’s historical info. The same historical info you reject with hadeeths. Using Quran alone you have no ability to verify the Quran. I’ve done my best to explain it clearly. No Quranist has been able to answer the question. Because they have no valid answer. You will stand alone before Allah. You must reflect on this. May Allah guide us all.
Pin this. Barak Allah feek.
This brother may allah guide him. He reject el bokari and sahih muslim. Cuz when he said we follow our profet PBUH no man .
This is is a person who argues for the sake of arguing loves the sound of his voice. If he dnt change he will find no one to pray his funeral and bury him
The hypocrites are the Bedouin and the polytheists Arabs” , “
Not the Christians, or anyone else !
29:59 I've given this guy a fair share of my time and attention. if I'm a fraud investigator, this is the point where I think it's clear, he thinks his interpretation of the Quran is better than the Prophet PBUH. May Allah protect him from the shaitan's whispers
Hypocritical people are considered harmful to Islam for several reasons:
1.Erosion of Trust: Hypocrites, who outwardly claim to be Muslims but inwardly do not believe or act accordingly, undermine trust within the community. Their actions and words may contradict Islamic principles, causing confusion and distrust among believers.
2.Misrepresentation of Islam: Hypocrites may present a false image of Islam by not practicing what they preach. This can lead to misunderstandings about the religion among both Muslims and non-Muslims, damaging the faith’s reputation.
3.Undermining Unity: Islam places great emphasis on the unity of the Muslim community (Ummah). Hypocritical behavior can sow discord and division among Muslims, weakening the collective strength and unity that is essential for a healthy community.
4.Moral Corruption: Hypocrites can contribute to moral decay by setting bad examples. When they engage in unethical behavior while claiming to be Muslims, it can lead others to stray from Islamic teachings or justify their own wrong actions.
5.Weakening Faith: Hypocrites may cause believers to question their own faith or the sincerity of others in the community. This can lead to a weakening of collective spiritual strength and diminish the overall moral and ethical standards upheld by the community.
In Islamic teachings, hypocrisy (known as nifaq) is a serious sin, as it involves deceit and dishonesty, which are strongly condemned in the Quran and Hadith. Hypocrites are often warned about severe consequences in the hereafter for their duplicity and betrayal of the faith.
This guys brother came to the park...
Say no drugs, please.
Sunnah came to us through ijma and tawatur not Hadith!
Prayer call can be found in ijma of ummah from prophet’s time!
We don’t need Abu huraira or Abu bakr specifically to tell us what prayer call is!
The problem with most people is their inability to differentiate between Sunnah and Hadith. Javed Ahmad Ghamidi has had a detailed discussion on the topic
In that same breadth then, the use of Hadith as a source of Islamic knowledge has come through Ijma starting from the sahaba through our time now loool.
@@ishrak1105 When we say Ijma and tawatur, it simply means it became public knowledge in the prophet's life.
Hadith became public knowledge when Hadith books were written.
For example, I don't need to know the chain of hadith from Bukhari to me because Bukhari became public!
Truly like bro Yusof said….he’s a kufar…may Allah guide him to the truth before his end day in this world
Hadees rejecter are just like those non Muslims who follow their desires and cannot restrict the themselves from it by not following hadees where every command is in detail ..
Why Christians reject the Oral Torah.
The oral Torah has no support from the Old Testament.
The oral Torah written over a thousand years after Moses
The oral Torah has no chains back to the source
Unlike the sunnah of the prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم
The problem with that guy is he was explained so clearly that Allah told us to ask prophet mohammad pbuh for what they don't understand in quran and this guy still don't want to accept hadith then it's pointless talking to this hadith rejector coz he is not honest to aceot thz truth.
Language problem.
Trying using diagrams.
They have ears
Hidden kufar astaqfurullah if I'm wrong
Quranis themselves don’t follow the Quran
With then the only question is to be asked to them is who gave them the Quran
The profit is by the prophet ☝️ tekbiir
how has he not learned his lesson when muslim lantern clearly explained it to him man
A simple question: will we have had Islamic beliefs and practices intact without Ahadith? In other words, suppose no one had compiled Ahadith, would Islam still exist as it is? If yes, the Ahadith don’t add anything new to Deen. They are a good treasure for explanation of Quran and Sunnah but they don’t constitute independent source of Sharia
The Quranists/ Quran only group has nothing to stand on. Simple as this.
There was a time the prophet (saw) was gone and the Quran was in the hands of others; complete strangers; and not in large quantities. Actually if you can’t look at history at all (which Quranists admit they can not) we wouldn’t know if there was one copy or 2 or 3. So the question is......After the death of the prophet ﷺ; Who were the ones in charge and in possession of the Quran at that time? Say like a year or two after he was gone? Who were they and how do you know they didn’t tamper with the Quran.? Can the Quranite give us some names?
Using Quran only you cannot. You can’t provide one name of who had it, using the Quran alone as your only reference. You know how ridiculous that is? How do you know for certain, verses like ‘this is a book with no doubt’; ‘nothing is left out’ , ‘a blessed book’ ; ‘we will protect this book’ etc etc weren’t just added in by those people who had possession of the Quran after the death of the Prophet ﷺ
Anyone with a functioning brain knows the first thing someone who tampers with a book would write down in that very book is that no one tampered with the book. That’s common sense.
Even more significant and a crushing blow to every Quranist; is how can Quran only people prove some verses or entire chapters weren’t taken out??? You would have no clue if there was even more in it.
To make it even worse for the Quranite; Do these people even realize that this is the EXACT thing that actually did in fact happen to the two previous scriptures? The Torah and the injeel. Those books had portions removed from the original.! This is even confirmed in the Quran. Some argue extremely large portions. So the possibility was very very real.
And it still gets even worse for the Quranite. The Quran itself talks about the Prophet (ﷺ ) having enemies who were against him. Proving there were people who were motivated to alter and harm the message of Allah.
All this being considered I find it hard to believe the true religion of Allah would have no answer to who even had possession of the literal word of God after the prophet (ﷺ) was gone. It is illogical to think Allah would have the most important event in history (the revelation of the Quran) be unverifiable just like the previous revelations who’s messages were mangled.
The Quran only sect has no way whatsoever of proving the authenticity of the Quran using the Quran alone, making the entire foundation of their faith crumble to dust. And please don’t bother using Abu bakr or any other sahaba. That’s historical info. The same historical info you reject with hadeeths. Using Quran alone you have no ability to verify the Quran. I’ve done my best to explain it clearly. No Quranist has been able to answer the question. Because they have no valid answer. You will stand alone before Allah. You must reflect on this. May Allah guide us all.
No you will NOT have Islamic beliefs and practices without hadith.
What is the hadith? It is the guidance from Muhammed(saw) teaching us how to obey the Allah/Quran.
If no one compiled hadith, you would not even know when a ayat was revealed and a explanation of the ayat.
Your making a fake argument that no Muslim has ever made. NO Muslim says that the hadith are an "independent" source of Shariah. Rather All Islamic scholars say the Shariah Comes from Quran and the guidance of Muhammed.
The Quran tells you to follow the guidence of Muhammed.
@@marcorolo4726they pick and chose what history to look at.
It is the hadith that explain so much about the Quran.
Strange guy is to emotional
20:40 when this guy struggles with separating Muhammad the creation and Allah the creator, it makes him sound like a common Christian talking about the trinity.
His problem is that He thinks that the only revilation the prophet s.a.w. recieved was Quran and that Allah never sent him any information or knowledge outside that.
Nor does he think that the Prophet ever parapharased what he'd recieved from Angel Gibrael inorder to resolve disputes, questions or explaining his own practice.
Allah's Word = Quran
Sunnah = stuff the Prophet s.a.w. did or sad based on what he'd been taught by Allah.
The sunnah exists, the Prophet had a brain and was given the authority to explain things in his own words without having to act like a mobile phone for Allah, Allah allowed the prophet to explain things in his own words, not everything had to be included in the Quran.
He is a lost case. Very arrogant.
Certainly did Allah confer [great] favor upon the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from themselves, reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom, although they had been before in manifest error. [3:164]
Certainly did Allah confer [great] favor upon the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from themselves, reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom, although they had been before in manifest error. [3:164]
That is from what your Lord has revealed to you, [O Muhammad], of wisdom. And, [O mankind], do not make [as equal] with Allah another deity, lest you be thrown into Hell, blamed and banished. [17:39]
It is He who has sent among the unlettered a Messenger from themselves reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom - although they were before in clear error - [62:2]
hmmm is there any hadist (sahih) contradict qur'an ?, probably someone need to learn arabic first, then can understand what arab people saying, then learn about old arabic languange that hasn't been mixed with other arabian peninsula language, then probably you will understand how to translate hadist correctly as per word or contextual, for qur'an arabic languange it's more easier but not as easy as learning daily arabic, but as this man said it's everyone choice if only learning so sure can fully understand about qur'an meaning (mostly only from translation) then it's only an opinion but alloh said very clearly there are muhkamat and mutasyabihat verse, and hadist mostly mutasyabihat, and qur'an was sent down in arabic
Holy Quran 77:50
فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثٍۭ بَعْدَهُۥ يُؤْمِنُونَ
Then in what statement (hadith) after the Qur'an will they believe?
Has anyone asked him what sect he belongs to?
He comes across like an argumentative arrogant ahmediah.
This guy is very misguided
This quranist is just wasting your time unfortunately. What's the point of engaging in someone who's already made his mind up? I have realised a lot of quranists will say: "I don't know and will look into it." Feels like these quranists just engage in these dialogues strategically in the hopes of attracting and introducing muslims to their sect.
You have to obey Allah and obey muhammed, so muhammed is equal to Allah. So musliums worship two God's 😂
Discussion with this gentleman reminds me of arguments with communists.....all talk but not common sense or an end result!
Which 54 yr old prophet married a 6 yr old
What A JAHIL.
THIS GUY IS A TROLL.