A Quick and Easy Functional Equation

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  • @user-nt8kt3tm1i
    @user-nt8kt3tm1i 2 роки тому +185

    For an equation of the kind f(g(x))=h(x) the solution is f(x)=h(g^-1(x))

  • @davidgillies620
    @davidgillies620 2 роки тому +84

    Note that a function of the form f(x) = (a x + b)/(c x + d) with a, b, c, d complex is a Möbius transformation, which is one of those things that crops up _absolutely everywhere_ . The technique of finding the roots (which doesn't help to solve this problem) can still be used to find the fixed points of the transformation, which can be incredibly useful (it's an automorphism).

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому +2

      Nice!

    • @youben3468
      @youben3468 2 роки тому +1

      I had in mind, injective function, so we can solve x from y univoquely.

  • @sohomsen2922
    @sohomsen2922 2 роки тому +72

    Take z=((2x-1)/(x-3)) and hence we get f(z) in terms of z. Then substitute z=x and we finally get f(x).

  • @cunningba
    @cunningba 2 роки тому +2

    y->x: good place to introduce the concept of bound variables and the constructs that use them. In this case the implicit lambda() in the function definition. Other familiar constructs that use them: summation, products, quantifiers, integrals.

  • @makehimobsessedwithyou6412
    @makehimobsessedwithyou6412 2 роки тому +3

    I still not understand why you can replace y with x directly as you let (2x-1)/(x-3)=y? If you do this then x= (2x-1)/(x-3) ??

  • @xuepingsong5329
    @xuepingsong5329 2 роки тому +38

    I think the reason this works is because the function is defined by a formula to compute any value in the range, it's not an equation with unknowns. For example a function defined by f(a)=a^2 can be also defined using f(x)=x^2, the variable chosen doesn't matter.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому +3

      Absolutely correct!

    • @goldfing5898
      @goldfing5898 9 місяців тому

      Yes, I would even have written f(t) rather than f(y) or f(x). Only the function f matters.

  • @namantenguriya
    @namantenguriya 2 роки тому +4

    Nice explanation on the replacement of variables...

  • @carly09et
    @carly09et 2 роки тому +3

    (3x-1)^2/(x-2)^2 == f(x) the range of the function f(x) = [ 3 + 5/(x-2)]^2. So x2

  • @MushookieMan
    @MushookieMan 2 роки тому +15

    I guess it's valid because you start with an *identity*, and are composing both sides of the equation with the function g(x)=x. It would work for any function where it's defined.

    • @carly09et
      @carly09et 2 роки тому +2

      Yep but figuring where its defined can be tricky

  • @diogenissiganos5036
    @diogenissiganos5036 2 роки тому +147

    I solved this correctly!

  • @sometimeworld8212
    @sometimeworld8212 2 роки тому +1

    Trivial note: Solving (2x-1)/(x-3)=y can also be elegantly done using geometric analogy properties (2x-1)/[x-3 -(1/2)(2x-1)]=y/(1-y/2) etc

  • @MathElite
    @MathElite 2 роки тому +84

    Functional equations are life....
    Hehe we both did a functional equation video today

  • @azaamnismi2231
    @azaamnismi2231 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent explained ❤️

  • @lollel1490
    @lollel1490 2 роки тому +17

    I think the reason why you can replace f(y) with x is because x is just a parameter which passes in values. You just have to make sure that you replace all the y’s in the function with x.
    Also there’s one thing I don’t quite get. You said that if you wanted to find the numerical value you do 2x-1/x-3 = x. But I don’t get why you would do this. Why are you allowed to equate that to x?

  • @verisap
    @verisap Рік тому +3

    I’m new to this field and I have a question please.
    If you replace x with (2x-1)/(x-3) and substitute in you get
    F(x) =[ (2x-1)/(x-3) ] ^2 = (4x^2 + 4x+1) / (x^2- 6x +9)
    So I have f(x) in terms of x. But it is not the solution in the video.
    Clearly I’ve done something wrong . Can someone explain it to me please?
    Thanks

    • @pritamyadav17
      @pritamyadav17 Рік тому +1

      What I can think is that when you equation x with (2x-1)/(x-3) and then you are finding f(x).But the problem is when equate both these you are indirectly stricted the domain of the f(x)(i.e.only two values which is the roots of the quadratic).So,for a real domain(or may be some elements less) it is good to equate to other variable like x',y,y' etc......In order to have a large domain...But your thinking is right when we have find a function having only two values in its domain
      I HOPE THIS HELP
      if You think something wrong please point me ...
      Okay

  • @luissevilla5317
    @luissevilla5317 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the video professor

  • @roberttelarket4934
    @roberttelarket4934 2 роки тому +4

    Let t = (2x - 1)/(x - 3).
    tx -3t = 2x - 1 or x = (3t - 1)/(t - 2).
    f(t) = [(3t -1)^2](t - 2)^2.
    That's exactly f.

  • @francescotriboli8296
    @francescotriboli8296 Рік тому

    Brilliant! Really like this one.

  • @bevobe9684
    @bevobe9684 2 роки тому +1

    2x-1/x-3=2+5/(x-3)=t so x-3=5/t-2. then x=3t-1/t-2. f(t)=answer.

  • @allpurposenerd4297
    @allpurposenerd4297 2 роки тому +1

    These are so much fun!

  • @farhatali2221
    @farhatali2221 2 роки тому +2

    Beautiful solution.. Thanks for your effort.

  • @BlaqRaq
    @BlaqRaq Рік тому +2

    I really like how you did this video. First one I watched and I subscribed.
    This is just stoking my addiction to Mathematics being almost 50 and did my Math degree about 30 years ago.
    Anyway, great presentation on functions.

  • @papricank2006
    @papricank2006 2 роки тому

    This tells where the issue is on, which gets the question seen deeply.
    I want to see his clip more.

  • @mathisnotforthefaintofheart
    @mathisnotforthefaintofheart 2 роки тому +1

    5:30. Very important...What did we actually do? Glad you went into that

  • @abylinux3001
    @abylinux3001 Рік тому +1

    Thank you, honestly I don't 100% understand but I think by rewriting your tutorials I will be good in Maths. Still long way to go but I really want to be good in Maths like this.

  • @thomasorourke7045
    @thomasorourke7045 2 роки тому +2

    Classic, one of your best, Sir

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому

      Thank you kindly! 🥰

  • @memoli388
    @memoli388 2 роки тому +1

    This question is very easy at the beginning of the function 2x-1/x-3=A then you can continue

  • @EhsanZia-Academi
    @EhsanZia-Academi 4 місяці тому

    Thank you Sir for this great video.

  • @a2333232332
    @a2333232332 2 роки тому +2

    since (2x-1)/(x-3) = 2 + 5/(x-3)
    simply by this method
    ( 5/(y-2) +3 )^2

  • @kenichimori8533
    @kenichimori8533 2 роки тому +1

    F(2x-1/x-3)=x^2=2 backdoor 2equation function. (1/2)^2 = 0

  • @shehnazsalahuddin6053
    @shehnazsalahuddin6053 2 роки тому +5

    Yay! I did this on my own!

  • @achannelforeducationandgam2596
    @achannelforeducationandgam2596 2 роки тому +2

    Sir can you please tell me what board application are you using. I want a good one but I have less knowledge regarding that. Please help me. Nice video btw.

  • @platformofscience9790
    @platformofscience9790 2 роки тому +4

    Here in iran it's 1 a.m but I'm still watching.

  • @brucemon4525
    @brucemon4525 2 роки тому +4

    Too easy for Chinese students

  • @sagargour2024
    @sagargour2024 2 роки тому +1

    Simple and elegant ❤️

  • @andresmora6822
    @andresmora6822 2 роки тому +3

    How did you find the inverse of the function? I didn't understand the final part

  • @angelphetamine
    @angelphetamine Рік тому

    if you put in the reverse function of (2x-1)/(x-3) (which is the constant in the denominator and the coefficient of x in the numerator getting switched & multiplied with (-) as a handy rule) as x in the function you will be left with f(x). it's really mind blowing. cannot recommend it enough if u r in hs!

  • @fernandoangulo1960
    @fernandoangulo1960 Рік тому

    Super Great, I have to whatch thid video many times, Thanks for sharing & teaching 👍🏻

  • @AbhishekSingh-qn4bz
    @AbhishekSingh-qn4bz 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome trick at the end... 👍👍!!

  • @VeteranVandal
    @VeteranVandal 2 роки тому +1

    I think there's another way to solve this tho. Eliminate the -3 with x'+3 ish. Simplify isolating the 1/x type term. Substitute something like x'= 1/x ish or something like that, so x will now be alone with a number. Translation type substitution, finally. Reverse engineer for the domain.
    Of course the way shown in the vid is better and faster, but you can avoid the whole variable talk since that is the way you do it from the get go.

  • @JojiThomas7431
    @JojiThomas7431 2 роки тому

    Very nice explanation

  • @varunmunjal9659
    @varunmunjal9659 Рік тому

    The terms "independent variable" and "dependent variable" can clarify why to replace variables.

  • @AbhishekSingh-qn4bz
    @AbhishekSingh-qn4bz 2 роки тому +6

    Please make a video on ' Strategies for solving Functional Equations ' , as you did for Diophantine Eqn...

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому +1

      Good idea. That would take a while to put together 😮😜

  • @manojsurya1005
    @manojsurya1005 2 роки тому +3

    The problem was pretty simple and good explanation

  • @sc7cheng893
    @sc7cheng893 2 роки тому

    I love your share😆

  • @nicogehren6566
    @nicogehren6566 2 роки тому +2

    nice job thank u sir

  • @orx-0053
    @orx-0053 2 роки тому +2

    この問題は、写像と逆写像についての正しい理解が必要な良い問題ですね。解き方も、パズルのようでとても面白いです。
    I'm japanese.

  • @user-nr3yb3ki9p
    @user-nr3yb3ki9p 2 роки тому +2

    I think that this is quick and easy , but this is nice ... This is genius 😃 ... I hope that this channel will the best math channel ) I thank you for your hard work and videos 💐 I wish you good luck )

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks a lot 😊💖

  • @mwodka79
    @mwodka79 2 роки тому +5

    Apart from the domain. You cannot simply switch y back with x because they are not equal. y ≠ x, y = (2x-1)/(x-3)

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому

      It's a different x

    • @mwodka79
      @mwodka79 2 роки тому +3

      @@SyberMath then it's pseudo scientific solution 😉

    • @geekonomist
      @geekonomist 2 роки тому

      @@SyberMath Then we do not know the answer to the question, since the question is asking about a function of x...

  • @leonhardeuler5211
    @leonhardeuler5211 2 роки тому +12

    Quick and easy but nice! ☺️

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому +3

      Thank you! 😊

    • @debarghyaray2082
      @debarghyaray2082 2 роки тому +1

      @@SyberMath This video cleared all the problems about that other video. Thanks sir

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому +1

      @@debarghyaray2082 No problem!

    • @mleef.s1153
      @mleef.s1153 2 роки тому

      Euler, your number is: e = 2,718

  • @fernandoangulo1960
    @fernandoangulo1960 Рік тому

    Great, But I didn't understand after minute 05:25 . . . Could you please explain in anothrr video how you found the inverse function, Thanks in advanced 🤝🏻

  • @einsteingonzalez4336
    @einsteingonzalez4336 2 роки тому +1

    This is related to parametric equations.
    Eliminating the parameter t gives the same equation.

  • @MathZoneKH
    @MathZoneKH 2 роки тому +1

    that's so cool!

  • @azizyosri2058
    @azizyosri2058 2 роки тому +1

    I literally watch your videos as im eating dinner.. got so much better at math thanks to u

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому +1

      It’s my pleasure! 🙂

  • @ThePiMan0903
    @ThePiMan0903 Рік тому +1

    Wow that was nice!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  Рік тому +1

      Glad to hear that ☺️

  • @bakixanmadatov4620
    @bakixanmadatov4620 2 роки тому

    Super...👍👍👍

  • @assassinscreamer4723
    @assassinscreamer4723 2 роки тому +1

    I solved it by using f-1(x^2)=2x-1/x-3 ==> f-1(x)=2sqrt(x)-1/sqrt(x)-3

  • @kennedytorres7359
    @kennedytorres7359 2 роки тому +36

    Thank you for explaining/breaking the problem down in a way that makes sense.
    Kennedy Torres - Professor Nell - Math2412

  • @makehimobsessedwithyou6412
    @makehimobsessedwithyou6412 9 місяців тому

    Why you can replace you with x directly?

  • @hamlettiradi
    @hamlettiradi 2 роки тому +1

    Bu soruyu lys matematik hazırlanırken benzerini çözmüştüm güzel bir kısayol

  • @gabcalvert5856
    @gabcalvert5856 2 роки тому +1

    you could replace y in original f(x).Result the same

  • @matematicademestre5826
    @matematicademestre5826 2 роки тому +1

    Very good!

  • @likemath.
    @likemath. 2 роки тому

    Đầu tiên tìm hàm số thỏa mãn. Sau đó tính giá trị. Cảm ơn nhiều.

  • @mathx8136
    @mathx8136 2 роки тому +1

    hi What program you use for writinh
    thanks very educational video

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому

      No problem. I use Notability

  • @dafureveerbhadra2772
    @dafureveerbhadra2772 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks, I hope this will help me in entrance.

  • @aashsyed1277
    @aashsyed1277 2 роки тому +2

    You are so awesome 😎😎😎 your channel is growing fast!!!!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much 😀

    • @eshward8448
      @eshward8448 2 роки тому +1

      @@SyberMath could someone explain why is it that if f(x) is what has been found out, f((2x-1)/(x-3))does not work out to x^2? Am I making a mistake?

    • @aashsyed1277
      @aashsyed1277 2 роки тому +1

      @@SyberMath thank u happy birthday 2 u for more than 1 year on UA-cam!!!!

  • @TDSONLINEMATHS
    @TDSONLINEMATHS Рік тому

    GREAT

  • @TimYang0403
    @TimYang0403 2 роки тому +1

    so good 👍

  • @user-kh8no6oh4v
    @user-kh8no6oh4v 2 роки тому

    thank u for explaining

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому

      You're very welcome!!! 😊

  • @laxmirajmoon2688
    @laxmirajmoon2688 2 роки тому

    Heartiest Greetings 💎🌙💕

  • @MTLTV-eu4nv
    @MTLTV-eu4nv 2 роки тому +2

    I made x=(2t-1)/(t-3) and y=t^2, solved the x equation for t, then plugged the expression I got for t into the y equation.

    • @pritamyadav17
      @pritamyadav17 Рік тому +1

      But why your taken y in action bcoz it could be done with t and x itself

  • @JahasieldelCid
    @JahasieldelCid 2 роки тому

    Hi man, what board do you use to make your videos? could you you me?

  • @indianchhori6145
    @indianchhori6145 2 роки тому

    Thanks a lot for explanation

  • @tes1a
    @tes1a 2 роки тому +1

    2+5/(x-3)=y, so x= 5/(y-2)+3, f(x)=(5/(x-2)+3)^2

  • @wenyilu4051
    @wenyilu4051 2 роки тому

    X^2 = f((2x-1)/(x-3)) = f( 2 + 5/(x-3)) = {[(2 + 5/(x-3)) -2 ]/5]^(-1) + 3}^2, therefore, f(y) ={ [(y-2)/5]^(-1) + 3}^2. Done.
    I am a teacher in actuarial math (with industry background, not academia background). I am not a math guy (no degree in math at all). I just picked up math again after 45 years old. And recently I have brushed on this level of math in order to tutor my son as he is preparing his entry level actuarial exam(s). I solved this question in 5 minutes in my first try. I don’t see it is worth this long video. I am wondering I have missed the good points you try to express.
    We do this type of shuffling and re-shuffling of writing of expression a lot in actuarial questions.

  • @lonewolf9936
    @lonewolf9936 2 місяці тому

    for x=3 why not error like in the first function?

  • @l.w.paradis2108
    @l.w.paradis2108 Місяць тому

    Sweet

  • @spoorthyvaddepally1584
    @spoorthyvaddepally1584 2 роки тому +5

    tricky but easy
    please upload olmpiad,putnam or other competitive exam [JEE,NEET] questions

  • @shakawtwf
    @shakawtwf 2 роки тому +2

    I don’t agree with this solution. Replacing y with x at the end implies that y is equal to x. You defined y = (2x-1/x-3). In fact a given was that (2x-1/x-3) was NOT to be made equal to x.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 роки тому +1

      x and y are dummy variables, you can replace them with anything

  • @billyallen7186
    @billyallen7186 2 роки тому

    Yeah. Just look for the inverse from 2x-1/x-3 then subtituse x² with it

  • @atishsawant1222
    @atishsawant1222 2 роки тому +1

    Even I did it.... OOH THAT SATISFACTION😊

  • @user-vh9kx3uc8p
    @user-vh9kx3uc8p 2 роки тому

    i think that this problem must be defined with x≠2,right?
    Im Japanese so i may not be able to answer right English

  • @ioannisimansola7115
    @ioannisimansola7115 2 роки тому

    Very classic

  • @riyahkiter3432
    @riyahkiter3432 2 роки тому +2

    Hi sir, what is the tool you use to write the text?

  • @BKCSir
    @BKCSir 2 роки тому

    Nice

  • @FCmobile_Boyz
    @FCmobile_Boyz 7 місяців тому

    I still can't understand how can you change y into x when it is already one variable naming x

  • @pieters286
    @pieters286 2 роки тому +3

    Shouldn't you add to the answer " & x!=3"

  • @Syysausi
    @Syysausi 2 роки тому

    Nice!!!

  • @PunmasterSTP
    @PunmasterSTP Рік тому +3

    This was a fun(ctional) exercise; thanks for sharing!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  Рік тому +4

      Hehe. That's punny 😜

    • @PunmasterSTP
      @PunmasterSTP Рік тому

      @@SyberMath Thanks! Just let me know if you ever want to hear a pun on a particular topic.

  • @congnguyenthanh8396
    @congnguyenthanh8396 2 роки тому

    so good.

  • @geekonomist
    @geekonomist 2 роки тому

    Where did the x2 go? Why does that just disappear from all thought?

  • @Tech-Guy-TV
    @Tech-Guy-TV Рік тому

    Bro, what are you using to write nicely? mouse?

  • @haoluo3366
    @haoluo3366 3 місяці тому

    so cool

  • @cyberdefender1859
    @cyberdefender1859 2 роки тому +1

    Good equation!

  • @teshaboynavruzov8458
    @teshaboynavruzov8458 2 роки тому

    Klass Zor Uzbekistan👍

  • @rodolfojoseespino6729
    @rodolfojoseespino6729 2 роки тому

    Thanks ...from 👍🇦🇷

  • @wacxr123
    @wacxr123 2 роки тому +1

    why not write the domain of it

  • @sarvarbekmurodov4548
    @sarvarbekmurodov4548 3 місяці тому

    Fntstic easy to understand

  • @kskj5672
    @kskj5672 2 роки тому

    関数方程式ですね
    良い問題です

  • @d.bpatil6361
    @d.bpatil6361 2 роки тому +2

    It is just a polynomial in a variable 'x'