Now this is THE formula for the new matt videos: -two comparable cars -host + guest -seat swaps PS. I know that i just kinda described head2head, but that's where it's at...
It sounds like a good idea but some owners of cool cars are not good drivers. You don't want to sit with someone through the canyons if you don't know how well they can drive. One rookie mistake and you're off the side of a cliff.
I attended Porsche Driving School at Barber Motorsports Park this past weekend. We drove the 911 GTS, 911 Turbo S, Panamera Turbo, Cayman and Boxster S. The only car they did not have was the T. The GTS was the star on the track but the Turbo S was a blast during the launch control segments. We did not get to drive the GT3 but at the end of the day, pro drivers took us for hot laps. I really wanted a GT3, but after a "real" lap in a GT3, I decided I don't need that. It was a true holy sh!t experience. Also, don't knock the Cayenne. they have a great off road course and that vehicle could do things that were absolutely amazing.
CCFerrariF1 it’s the fetishization of specs to the point that he considers some owners real enthusiasts and others not. It’s his hate towards others. He buys and sells a lot so he cares about the secondary market preferences-which is fine-but he takes it to such a point that he’s putting down other car guys.
All his talk about carbon ceramic brakes in the beginning of this video made him look like a sleazy salesman. Never knew this guy and now I want to avoid his podcast.
Pretty funny all these people in the comments without a clue who Spike is and don't realize they're good buddies. You would think Matt letting him drive would have tipped them off. Spike has been on Matt's podcasts and Matt is almost a permanent fixture on Spikes podcast. This was an awesome episode.
Absolutely. Even if you don't know Spike, Matt never gets in the passenger seat unless he's very comfortable with the driver. And Spike definitely knows his Porsches.
Zanpa ya he definitely does. When they talked about doing this car swap on Spikes podcast I was hoping Matt would have him in the video and very glad he was.
Trey Quattro agree, who the hell cares. I don't even give a damn about celebs let alone some you tuber that has a channel, big freakin deal, his opinion happens to differ from mine and many other racers and porschephiles I know. Just cause you have a GT3 doesn't make your word the last word. I tend to like Matts way of car talk vs others. (Even as a car fanatic, I can admit that most dudes that talk cars just sound like total kooks and kind of creepy nerdy, which is why I resist from talking too much car talk around the ladies, especially Porsche talk). Matt and especially Chris Harris do a great job with it, most others don't. And holy hell, can someone please learn to drive?
These Carbon Ceramic brakes look good … but they are horribly expensive to replace once worn off: talking about over 30k (!) for four discs with brake pads. This is insane …but you have no other option when the time has come!
Do you two actual know who that is ??? He should be the only voice your listen to about Porsche, well jerry too.... when you figure it out you’ll get it
unlike some of these guys, I love having Spike in the video, it makes the video less of a review and more of a discussion about the car. Hope you have him back, Matt!
The T isn't that much lighter, but I still think it's a cool package and I really liked this video. If I was shopping for one, I think the way to do it is to go as hardcore as possible with the weight reduction- no back seat, carbon buckets, radio delete...
Came back for a re-watch. What a great formula. 2 stellar hosts, with a ton of knowledge and experience between them. Spike and Matt drive Porsches should be a regular show!
Spike has had his own car shows, a podcast, and even a late-night show. He wrote for David Letterman and Jerry Seinfeld. He and Matt also have more camaraderie than most other one take passengers. I say let him talk. LOL
Quicker the Zach on the best day that’s the only thing I don’t like about the guy Matt’s limits are a lot higher then his hopefully he gets better with age Matt give me more of what I’d experience at 8/10ths where zach is like 4/10ths
It's amazing how people jump on the hate wagon once they see one comment. I wasn't a fan of this Spike either, but he did nothing to deserve being labeled a D bag or accused of ruining the video. He provided the car so you wouldn't have this video without him. Chill people.
@@mdcohen I've never seen a hypocrite as blatant as you. You reply to OP that Spike is putting people down then u turn around and call someone a twat... you are literally cancer.
It annoys me that people believe that the Carrera T is significantly lighter than the normal Carrera. It’s 44 pounds lighter without backseats. So this example is within a few pounds of a normal Carrera.
The weight isn't that big of a deal. It's much more how light it FEELS than how light it IS. The LSD, PASM, sport suspension, and most importantly, rear steer (not available on Carrera) add an extra level of agility to the Carrera T you don't get with the base car. Sure, it's a nuanced difference, but a difference nonetheless.
Love the GT3 T, you don't need lift IMO, Ceramics nice. Lift is seen as necessary for resale in the UK, so is needed as everyone thinks you need it ! Anyone used to drive low cars doesn't need it.
Great video Matt. Not sure if you have experienced The No lift shifts in the GT3 but it is epic. The new manual GT3 gearbox comes out of the box and even without pressing the sport bottom with power shifts feature allowing you to keep your foot buried into the gas pedal while shifting into the next gear, giving you perfect shift at 9000 rpm redline and similar to PDK shifts. Again great video. Mark
The main problem with ceramic brakes is not the upfront cost or the sqeauling, it’s having to replace TWO rotors at around $30K with labor when a stone chips one rotor, or the mechanic nicks it changing your wheels. I would never be able to relax having these brakes.
I kinda agree with Matts statement...the base car is fundamentally the same. The T is for enthusiasts to feel special inside. Rolling into cars and coffee then winking at other old men sounds creepy though... A loaded AWD S or GTS with PDK gets my pick. Ultimately a turbo S if I could afford it. I like fast planted cars optimized for daily use. GT3 or T is the other side of that philosophy.
I happily watched every minute of this one. Please do the 911R vs the GT3 Touring as well. It also made it really great having Spike with you, great dialogue.
The gt3 is the most glorious sounding car in existence at the moment. Spine chilling. Not that the touring is a slouch, it sounds like a 911 should as well. Nice review guys.
I expected Spike to love it, I'm more surprised Matt likes it honestly. But it looks like there's more to it than just the cloth door handles after all.
For two guys who are supposed to know about cars, there are numerous mistakes and omissions in this review. A few examples top of my head: the RWS is not about creating a tighter turning radius.. its about how the rear of the car follows you into turns, especially right decreasing radius or hairpins. my mother would talk about maneuverability in a parking lot.. please, don’t do the same.. talk about dynamics. Also, when comparing to 911R.. you completely omit the major difference to the gt3.2. #1: 911R has a single-mass flywheel, which changes the perception of lightness in the engine, especially in how it revs. However, the gt3 has a non-pneumatic valvetrain, which allows for less oil usage and much much faster race to redline vs the old 911R 4.0. Additionally, you fail to mention the dual intake parameters which give the gt3.2 that midrange Torque which the R lacks. #3: your entire convo on ceramics is juvenile, lacking depth and accuracy. Pccb’s are not going to give you shorter stopping distances, what they offer is fade-free perfoamce vs steel performance in repeat applications. How much horsepower your car has has nothing to do with whether you should select that option, it’s if you’re doing repeat lapping in very hot temperatures that the ceramics may be of benefit… Only reason I’m taking time to write all this crap, is that it’s disappointing to have two presumed real gearheads, and one gt3 owner, be so shallow/surface in their assessment, and straight-up incorrect in multiple areas of this review. Young enthusiastic kids could have talked their way through this comparo, if you’re catering to a real gearhead community, put a little more effort, research into your product. Anyone can go out and drive two cars, but to offer true value to your viewers requires a bit more effort.
This video proves a pretty big win for the T. I mean for almost half the money you can have 85% of the GT3 car -- Not bad! I liked this passenger, too, he was fun (not sure why all the other negative comments). He helped Matt look less bored than many of his other videos.
A lot of hard core track guys like the steel brakes due to cost of maintenance. Something to keep in mind 👊 Great channel Matt! You can also tune the T and make it Hella fast for way way way less money.
Agree. I track both my gt3 and 911. There is little advantage to the carbon brakes . You avoid some fade with the carbons if it is 110 degrees in Palm Springs after 30 laps. But carbons are otherwise just grabby. Like you said. And fabulously expensive to service. No way they are worth it. Even if you get half your money back when you sell. Which I won’t ever do. On the other hand, the front lift seems, at first, ridiculous . But I would have worn my front end off if I didn’t have it.
Matt, Spike...you've done yourselves a dis-service by missing out on the main,major reason why the Carrera T is so good to drive? The lower gearing which makes the turbo-lag dis appear and makes the engine seem very keen.
Amazing he said 356, it has always been 991. And the couple guys I know that have the R are NOT running out to buy a touring, they are keeping them, they also both have 918. Also it never got to 700-800k, it got to 400-500k at most. A buddy of mine that does have a touring on order (Miami blue) wanted an R but never got allocation due to not being a 918 owner. He also has a GT4, 997.2 GT3 full sharkwerks, a 991.1 Carrera S (along with some others like four lotus and a Mc, crazy that he couldn't talk his way into an R from the dealer).
Yeah, my buddy tried to get the R also and got passed up since he hadn't gotten the 918. He has a 991.2 non-touring PDK and his Touring will be here in Jan. Best of both worlds really. ;)
Great review of the GT3touring. My fav porsche. I enjoyed spike and his tv show driving different cars with a car buyer and buyer has to pick one of the three. Thanks for the ride!
Matt - nice video and two great drivers car - There are Carrera T owners who got more than 500 horses easy from the base T engine and with some small mods to go with that - you have a very powerful and fun car It would be amazing if you could get your hands on one of those PLEASE -:)
Anders Jensen That was the comment I was looking for! The GT3 T is obviously the better car, but you can match the HP and get much more TQ even with the Carrera T (small turbos) engine. Also, another advantage of the Carrera T buy is that you can get optional itens only available for the “S” model, like the torque vectoring. That’s why I bought one and because I can’t afford a GTS or a GT3 T or so many superior Porsche models. Ahah
Love how much variation different 6 cylinder setups have in the sound. You can tell a V8 is a V8, but probably you can't tell which make and model it is
if you listen to enough V8s, yes, you can easily tell the difference between an LS, a F136 from a Ferrari, the same engine in a Maserati or Alfa, or a Ford stroker.
As Spike stated, "nothing I hate more than 18 way seats". It's a keen remark. And there is nothing more sillier than multiple power seats in a 2 seat or 2+2 sports car. Added weight, added electrics and wasted cost. A smooth, mechanical adjustable seats would be just fine. How far is the driver going inside the car? But, unfortunately vast majority of high end sport cars have them as standard equipment.
The prices have jumped considerably since this video. With just $2K in options you're now looking at $128K and try getting into one at list if you can find one at all.
@Beauchee Well spotted. Ouch ! When I bought my steed from a non Porsche specialist, they wouldn't touch cars that had hit the limiter more than twice (they were rightly wary of cars that had been tracked and driven by Orangutans on the rev limiter, causing potential engine damage). Their mechanical sensitivity always resonated with me. (P.S. I'm not suggesting anyone on the channel is orange or has long arms).
Porsche made 991 examples of the 911 R, not 356, and all were sold to 'insiders' and investors (who don't drive them) before production even began, which is why I'm happy they got screwed by the GT3 Touring.
I have PCCB on my Cayman GTS. It's always worth it. The lack of brake dust alone is a blessing! With Turbos coming to the GT3 soon, I'm hoping that it'll still sound sharp inside. The Carrera T does not sound all that bad already. Nothing compared to the 4.0L but sadly, that chapter will close soon.
To me I think the T needs two things a TUNE for 50 extra ftlb of torque and leather door pulls instead of that cheap looking fabric door pulls. Also, the rear wheel steering is a way to set this as a real handling car at a price.
Regarding the ceramic brake noise on the GT3, I wonder if the passenger side rotors suffered from side-of-road debris contamination at some point in their service life. Pure speculation on my part. Always fun to hear some 911 goodness and "keep it basic" with a $175k car makes me chuckle.
I think they should of put the S 420hp enfine in the T..I have 2 porsches; 2017 718-S and a 2017 Macan GTS-love them both. Porsche builds fun and reliability! Great vids dude...Bullitt was a great 70's movie, btw...
Yea and as always with the US; they think Europe is one country. I can assure you that a medium size French t-shirt is definitely not the same as a medium size t-shirt here in Sweden. It’s common knowledge here that different clothing brands will fit differently, regardless of the stated size on the apparel piece.
TheTallAbacus 100% right. Or base carrera 4 - when this will be your daily and you live in country with snow. Its even more ballanced than 2wd. AFAIK base engine have smaller turbos and less lag than S or GTS. Tune + exhaust = probably 420hp. Its more than ok for me. And BTW you can choose the sound.
“Special brakes” (PCCB) are awesome but when it comes time to replace them ... ouch. Which will likely be the 2nd owner’s responsibility. Just like me with my M6. After two track sessions I went from 60k mi life expectancy to only 14k mi. I just hadddd to take it on track to see what it could do though. Question is: replace with CCB next time or swap to steel? Hmmmm.
I'm all about the GT3 Touring. I remember when they announced that car and thinking, "This is it. The 911 of my dreams." Before that it was the 911R but yeah, the prices they were commanding were ridiculous. The 911T is cool and I like that it's "special" but I don't think it's special enough to really justify all the extra money. I get that it's an enthusiast oriented car but you could put that extra money somewhere else with another 911. If I was actually in the market for something I might feel different and I bet the 911T holds value better just because it is "special." But for me, GT3 Touring > 911 Targa > 911T ties with 911.
I am dreaming of twin turbo AWD 964. But if I ever would've got 991 it would've definitely be GT3 Touring. I'd actually like a GT3T spec Targa. Ruf make it happen.
Now this is THE formula for the new matt videos:
-two comparable cars
-host + guest
-seat swaps
PS. I know that i just kinda described head2head, but that's where it's at...
João Duarte thought the same thing but Matt isn't about effort
It sounds like a good idea but some owners of cool cars are not good drivers. You don't want to sit with someone through the canyons if you don't know how well they can drive. One rookie mistake and you're off the side of a cliff.
KvnS S you're right about that, but I meant the guest to be someone from the business (another jornalist, car collector or racing driver)
😂😂👍
Yes! Very good format, but only on occasion when it is gonna be awesome. Otherwise stick to your usual format
I attended Porsche Driving School at Barber Motorsports Park this past weekend. We drove the 911 GTS, 911 Turbo S, Panamera Turbo, Cayman and Boxster S. The only car they did not have was the T. The GTS was the star on the track but the Turbo S was a blast during the launch control segments. We did not get to drive the GT3 but at the end of the day, pro drivers took us for hot laps. I really wanted a GT3, but after a "real" lap in a GT3, I decided I don't need that. It was a true holy sh!t experience. Also, don't knock the Cayenne. they have a great off road course and that vehicle could do things that were absolutely amazing.
How did the Boxster do?
Why all the hate on this guy. I don’t get it. He has 3 Porsche’s and his opinion is valid and he’s a solid driver.
CCFerrariF1 it’s the fetishization of specs to the point that he considers some owners real enthusiasts and others not. It’s his hate towards others. He buys and sells a lot so he cares about the secondary market preferences-which is fine-but he takes it to such a point that he’s putting down other car guys.
people are haters; simple as that.
CCFerrariF1 the guy is also a legitimate straight up comedy legend. If the guy who wrote The soup nazi wants to talk, you let him talk.
I just wish Matt would have let him talk more! Matt kept talking when he was talking
All his talk about carbon ceramic brakes in the beginning of this video made him look like a sleazy salesman. Never knew this guy and now I want to avoid his podcast.
Pretty funny all these people in the comments without a clue who Spike is and don't realize they're good buddies. You would think Matt letting him drive would have tipped them off. Spike has been on Matt's podcasts and Matt is almost a permanent fixture on Spikes podcast. This was an awesome episode.
Absolutely. Even if you don't know Spike, Matt never gets in the passenger seat unless he's very comfortable with the driver. And Spike definitely knows his Porsches.
Zanpa ya he definitely does. When they talked about doing this car swap on Spikes podcast I was hoping Matt would have him in the video and very glad he was.
I don't care, or know, who the hell he is. He's annoying as fuck and can't drive for shit.
FuelAaron Would like Da Zuckerman to be in a vid, he is hilarious.....
Trey Quattro agree, who the hell cares. I don't even give a damn about celebs let alone some you tuber that has a channel, big freakin deal, his opinion happens to differ from mine and many other racers and porschephiles I know. Just cause you have a GT3 doesn't make your word the last word. I tend to like Matts way of car talk vs others. (Even as a car fanatic, I can admit that most dudes that talk cars just sound like total kooks and kind of creepy nerdy, which is why I resist from talking too much car talk around the ladies, especially Porsche talk). Matt and especially Chris Harris do a great job with it, most others don't. And holy hell, can someone please learn to drive?
That GT3 Touring is exactly how I'd spec one. Beautiful car!
I saw one in midnight blue with silver wheels on another review video. Drool.
These Carbon Ceramic brakes look good … but they are horribly expensive to replace once worn off: talking about over 30k (!) for four discs with brake pads. This is insane …but you have no other option when the time has come!
I actually like this guy, good connection between you guys. I honestly value his input a lot.
jalloor Yep! Me too. He knows his stuff..
Do you two actual know who that is ??? He should be the only voice your listen to about Porsche, well jerry too.... when you figure it out you’ll get it
unlike some of these guys, I love having Spike in the video, it makes the video less of a review and more of a discussion about the car. Hope you have him back, Matt!
I love the POV camera angle, focusing on the experience and not only on the driver's face.
The T isn't that much lighter, but I still think it's a cool package and I really liked this video. If I was shopping for one, I think the way to do it is to go as hardcore as possible with the weight reduction- no back seat, carbon buckets, radio delete...
I love it when you guys collaborate on each others' podcasts. I also thoroughly enjoyed this video. Do more together please.
Came back for a re-watch. What a great formula. 2 stellar hosts, with a ton of knowledge and experience between them. Spike and Matt drive Porsches should be a regular show!
Porsche! Driver swaps! Let's a-keep these Two Takes coming!
2 hosts trying to talk at the same time was a bit annoying to me
Matt going just a little bit quicker than usual to quieten that guy down a bit : )
MrGeza88 100% he wont shut the fuck up...
😂😂😂😂
Spike has had his own car shows, a podcast, and even a late-night show. He wrote for David Letterman and Jerry Seinfeld. He and Matt also have more camaraderie than most other one take passengers. I say let him talk. LOL
Quicker the Zach on the best day that’s the only thing I don’t like about the guy Matt’s limits are a lot higher then his hopefully he gets better with age Matt give me more of what I’d experience at 8/10ths where zach is like 4/10ths
don’t care if he’s famous, he’s fucking annoying lol
Spike is a legend. Love both of your podcasts. Great video for a fan!
That GT3 sounds like angels screaming wow I can’t get over that sound
That GT3-T looks so damn good in that color.
Just listened to Spike's Car Radio with Matt as the guest... talking about this video. And then here it is. Great stuff.
It's amazing how people jump on the hate wagon once they see one comment. I wasn't a fan of this Spike either, but he did nothing to deserve being labeled a D bag or accused of ruining the video. He provided the car so you wouldn't have this video without him. Chill people.
Snow_White_MR2 I’ve never seen anyone in a smoking tire video put down other cars and owners like this guy.
Michael Cohen Did it offend you snowflake?
tedious twat
@@mdcohen I've never seen a hypocrite as blatant as you. You reply to OP that Spike is putting people down then u turn around and call someone a twat... you are literally cancer.
It annoys me that people believe that the Carrera T is significantly lighter than the normal Carrera. It’s 44 pounds lighter without backseats. So this example is within a few pounds of a normal Carrera.
but it's got an LSD unlike the base Carrera
The T has more sport options standard
It really grinds your gears eh
The weight isn't that big of a deal. It's much more how light it FEELS than how light it IS. The LSD, PASM, sport suspension, and most importantly, rear steer (not available on Carrera) add an extra level of agility to the Carrera T you don't get with the base car. Sure, it's a nuanced difference, but a difference nonetheless.
Exactly. This is more marketing hype from Porsche.
Love the GT3 T, you don't need lift IMO, Ceramics nice. Lift is seen as necessary for resale in the UK, so is needed as everyone thinks you need it ! Anyone used to drive low cars doesn't need it.
These two are dynamic as all hell together. One of the best One Takes.
TheHvk agree! One of the best takes ever! The comrades and the cars made the video for sure!
Love the rotary reference about the high revs! Respect! I'm a former rotary owner (87 RX7 and 93 RX7) and now a 911 991.2 Carrer S owner.
Watching this in honor of the 992 GT3 Touring getting announced today. What an engine. Geezus!
Porsche guys in Porsches getting Porsche noises. Love finally seeing you, Spiiiike!
Incorrect Spike, the T is not for people that can’t afford a GT, I have a .2 GT3RS Weissach and I love my manual T! The perfect road car 👍👍
Great video Matt. Not sure if you have experienced The No lift shifts in the GT3 but it is epic. The new manual GT3 gearbox comes out of the box and even without pressing the sport bottom with power shifts feature allowing you to keep your foot buried into the gas pedal while shifting into the next gear, giving you perfect shift at 9000 rpm redline and similar to PDK shifts. Again great video. Mark
What? That sounds like an amazing feature. Do you own one?
A perfect example of why you should drive alone your best vids you have ever made are you driving alone
my last big purchase in my lifetime , some sort of modern, decent 911, they are all good to some degree, and every owner I talked to, Love their 911
The main problem with ceramic brakes is not the upfront cost or the sqeauling, it’s having to replace TWO rotors at around $30K with labor when a stone chips one rotor, or the mechanic nicks it changing your wheels. I would never be able to relax having these brakes.
I kinda agree with Matts statement...the base car is fundamentally the same. The T is for enthusiasts to feel special inside. Rolling into cars and coffee then winking at other old men sounds creepy though...
A loaded AWD S or GTS with PDK gets my pick. Ultimately a turbo S if I could afford it. I like fast planted cars optimized for daily use. GT3 or T is the other side of that philosophy.
I happily watched every minute of this one. Please do the 911R vs the GT3 Touring as well. It also made it really great having Spike with you, great dialogue.
Loved the video. You guys had great chemistry!
i actually really enjoyed this review with spike he seems like a fun down to earth guy
Got one in the same spec but with 918-seats!! I think it must one of the greatest modern 911s.
The gt3 is the most glorious sounding car in existence at the moment. Spine chilling. Not that the touring is a slouch, it sounds like a 911 should as well. Nice review guys.
Carrera T has a great interior sound and feel unlike the base carrera...
I love this format. You should bring Spike in for more videos
Spikes and awesome addition, would love to see this regularly. I really expected you guys to hate the T.
I expected Spike to love it, I'm more surprised Matt likes it honestly. But it looks like there's more to it than just the cloth door handles after all.
This vid is just full of famous last words
For two guys who are supposed to know about cars, there are numerous mistakes and omissions in this review. A few examples top of my head: the RWS is not about creating a tighter turning radius.. its about how the rear of the car follows you into turns, especially right decreasing radius or hairpins. my mother would talk about maneuverability in a parking lot.. please, don’t do the same.. talk about dynamics. Also, when comparing to 911R.. you completely omit the major difference to the gt3.2. #1: 911R has a single-mass flywheel, which changes the perception of lightness in the engine, especially in how it revs. However, the gt3 has a non-pneumatic valvetrain, which allows for less oil usage and much much faster race to redline vs the old 911R 4.0. Additionally, you fail to mention the dual intake parameters which give the gt3.2 that midrange Torque which the R lacks. #3: your entire convo on ceramics is juvenile, lacking depth and accuracy. Pccb’s are not going to give you shorter stopping distances, what they offer is fade-free perfoamce vs steel performance in repeat applications. How much horsepower your car has has nothing to do with whether you should select that option, it’s if you’re doing repeat lapping in very hot temperatures that the ceramics may be of benefit…
Only reason I’m taking time to write all this crap, is that it’s disappointing to have two presumed real gearheads, and one gt3 owner, be so shallow/surface in their assessment, and straight-up incorrect in multiple areas of this review. Young enthusiastic kids could have talked their way through this comparo, if you’re catering to a real gearhead community, put a little more effort, research into your product. Anyone can go out and drive two cars, but to offer true value to your viewers requires a bit more effort.
Just used the 3 Seashells reference today at work! Coincidence! And no one knew what I was talking about. LOL
This video proves a pretty big win for the T. I mean for almost half the money you can have 85% of the GT3 car -- Not bad! I liked this passenger, too, he was fun (not sure why all the other negative comments). He helped Matt look less bored than many of his other videos.
Uh huh, uh huh same logic gets u a Mustang too ; )
A lot of hard core track guys like the steel brakes due to cost of maintenance. Something to keep in mind 👊 Great channel Matt! You can also tune the T and make it Hella fast for way way way less money.
Agree. I track both my gt3 and 911. There is little advantage to the carbon brakes . You avoid some fade with the carbons if it is 110 degrees in Palm Springs after 30 laps. But carbons are otherwise just grabby. Like you said. And fabulously expensive to service. No way they are worth it. Even if you get half your money back when you sell. Which I won’t ever do.
On the other hand, the front lift seems, at first, ridiculous . But I would have worn my front end off if I didn’t have it.
All of you hating on this video because of Spike are nuts. I'll have you know that growing up I had several 911 models so I'm an expert.
Matt, Spike...you've done yourselves a dis-service by missing out on the main,major reason why the Carrera T is so good to drive? The lower gearing which makes the turbo-lag dis appear and makes the engine seem very keen.
991 is the production number on the 911 r
yeah i was like Wut
I was thinking "as two self-proclaimed 'big Porsche guys', how the fuck do they not know this?" lol
Amazing he said 356, it has always been 991. And the couple guys I know that have the R are NOT running out to buy a touring, they are keeping them, they also both have 918. Also it never got to 700-800k, it got to 400-500k at most. A buddy of mine that does have a touring on order (Miami blue) wanted an R but never got allocation due to not being a 918 owner. He also has a GT4, 997.2 GT3 full sharkwerks, a 991.1 Carrera S (along with some others like four lotus and a Mc, crazy that he couldn't talk his way into an R from the dealer).
Yeah, my buddy tried to get the R also and got passed up since he hadn't gotten the 918. He has a 991.2 non-touring PDK and his Touring will be here in Jan. Best of both worlds really. ;)
Great review of the GT3touring. My fav porsche. I enjoyed spike and his tv show driving different cars with a car buyer and buyer has to pick one of the three. Thanks for the ride!
Matt - nice video and two great drivers car - There are Carrera T owners who got more than 500 horses easy from the base T engine and with some small mods to go with that - you have a very powerful and fun car
It would be amazing if you could get your hands on one of those PLEASE -:)
Anders Jensen That was the comment I was looking for! The GT3 T is obviously the better car, but you can match the HP and get much more TQ even with the Carrera T (small turbos) engine. Also, another advantage of the Carrera T buy is that you can get optional itens only available for the “S” model, like the torque vectoring. That’s why I bought one and because I can’t afford a GTS or a GT3 T or so many superior Porsche models. Ahah
Love how much variation different 6 cylinder setups have in the sound. You can tell a V8 is a V8, but probably you can't tell which make and model it is
if you listen to enough V8s, yes, you can easily tell the difference between an LS, a F136 from a Ferrari, the same engine in a Maserati or Alfa, or a Ford stroker.
As Spike stated, "nothing I hate more than 18 way seats". It's a keen remark. And there is nothing more sillier than multiple power seats in a 2 seat or 2+2 sports car. Added weight, added electrics and wasted cost. A smooth, mechanical adjustable seats would be just fine. How far is the driver going inside the car?
But, unfortunately vast majority of high end sport cars have them as standard equipment.
I love my Porsche Boxster but a manual GT3 is goals!!
Great one (two) take! I enjoyed Spike's input and his comedy
The weight difference / feel you're talking about will simply be down to the springs and relative stiffness. Has such a profound effect on any car.
Great vid. Interesting comparison. Special TV production points to Matt for wearing Matte lenses in his sunglasses.
this is one of the best episodes! Entertaining, funny and informative
The prices have jumped considerably since this video. With just $2K in options you're now looking at $128K and try getting into one at list if you can find one at all.
21:08 = rev limit
Thanks for this video !
@Beauchee Well spotted. Ouch ! When I bought my steed from a non Porsche specialist, they wouldn't touch cars that had hit the limiter more than twice (they were rightly wary of cars that had been tracked and driven by Orangutans on the rev limiter, causing potential engine damage). Their mechanical sensitivity always resonated with me. (P.S. I'm not suggesting anyone on the channel is orange or has long arms).
Porsche made 991 examples of the 911 R, not 356, and all were sold to 'insiders' and investors (who don't drive them) before production even began, which is why I'm happy they got screwed by the GT3 Touring.
Touring GT3 is definitely the version of GT3 I’d take
The famous Porsche windshield glare. No joke.
I have PCCB on my Cayman GTS. It's always worth it. The lack of brake dust alone is a blessing!
With Turbos coming to the GT3 soon, I'm hoping that it'll still sound sharp inside. The Carrera T does not sound all that bad already. Nothing compared to the 4.0L but sadly, that chapter will close soon.
Literally doesn't get any better than a GT3 touring in slate with manual gearbox
Oh Matthew, you've only gone and distracted me all morning, no work done at all. First the Podcast Q&A and now this! Ace!
That chalk color is beautiful. I’d take the Carrera T but the GT3 touring is an amazing looking and sounding car.
What's the deal with the amount of people in the comment section who don't know who Spike is?
Damn youngens.
who the fuck is Spike?
Gold jerry
Esenbek Aliev he wrote basically any of the greatest Seinfeld episodes that immediately come to anyone's mind.
not anyone's
The comparison should also include the 911 GTS. How that model positions against GT3 Touring and Carrrera T. What about also the Carrera S?
7th gear is awesome for cruising at a steady 200 plus kph on the autobahn :)
Matt, Spike and Bill should go on a Porsche Road trip. I think it would be a hell of a video.
As to the seventh gear you can get to it from 6th or 5th
Nice one Matt. Glad Spike joined you in a video.
Been waiting for this now for awhile... Didn't disappoint.
Spike! I hope you go to my bud Will Lee's (@PTSRS) car show during car week
To me I think the T needs two things a TUNE for 50 extra ftlb of torque and leather door pulls instead of that cheap looking fabric door pulls. Also, the rear wheel steering
is a way to set this as a real handling car at a price.
Regarding the ceramic brake noise on the GT3, I wonder if the passenger side rotors suffered from side-of-road debris contamination at some point in their service life. Pure speculation on my part. Always fun to hear some 911 goodness and "keep it basic" with a $175k car makes me chuckle.
I think they should of put the S 420hp enfine in the T..I have 2 porsches; 2017 718-S and a 2017 Macan GTS-love them both. Porsche builds fun and reliability! Great vids dude...Bullitt was a great 70's movie, btw...
Loved the way you guys did this video. Hope to see more like this
On the shirt, in europe that's a medium. Xxxl is for 500 pounder people.
Yea and as always with the US; they think Europe is one country. I can assure you that a medium size French t-shirt is definitely not the same as a medium size t-shirt here in Sweden. It’s common knowledge here that different clothing brands will fit differently, regardless of the stated size on the apparel piece.
Man...you two are excellent together! Thanks for the video!
Base 911 + tune and exhaust has to be great value
TheTallAbacus 100% right. Or base carrera 4 - when this will be your daily and you live in country with snow. Its even more ballanced than 2wd. AFAIK base engine have smaller turbos and less lag than S or GTS. Tune + exhaust = probably 420hp. Its more than ok for me. And BTW you can choose the sound.
I love the new Carrera T, but $7500 for ceramic brakes? Nope. You don't need 'special' brakes on this car unless you're tracking it.
"Need"? It's more of a " want" in this very case
Heavy usage track drivers prefer the steel brakes cos they are cheaper to replace seen on some of the Nurburgring porsches
Way to rep the Nat'l Forest Sign! I bought a FiST and the first place I ran it was in Zion! Pikes Peak was closed 🤙
@thesmokingtire did you really just call yourself a "hardcore porsche enthusiast"! welcome, we've been waiting for you!
(love the Gold Turtle!)
lol. spike was so puckered that whole trip. hilarious.
Good video, little awkward for the both of you for him to mention not crashing it
Great intro Zack
My palms get a little sweaty watching Spike in the cockpit
Great chat gents very enjoyable, some very interesting and valid points raised.
Finally found this vid. Awesome, what a great care Spike.
Damn that 4.0 sounds so good
Truly the GT3 has one of the best engines made to date.
“Special brakes” (PCCB) are awesome but when it comes time to replace them ... ouch. Which will likely be the 2nd owner’s responsibility. Just like me with my M6. After two track sessions I went from 60k mi life expectancy to only 14k mi. I just hadddd to take it on track to see what it could do though. Question is: replace with CCB next time or swap to steel? Hmmmm.
Great video. Been waiting for this comparison.
Matt, always enjoy your videos - but please put a polarizer filter on your camera. The reflection of the dashboard is bad. (Or put the cam outside)
I'm all about the GT3 Touring. I remember when they announced that car and thinking, "This is it. The 911 of my dreams." Before that it was the 911R but yeah, the prices they were commanding were ridiculous. The 911T is cool and I like that it's "special" but I don't think it's special enough to really justify all the extra money. I get that it's an enthusiast oriented car but you could put that extra money somewhere else with another 911. If I was actually in the market for something I might feel different and I bet the 911T holds value better just because it is "special." But for me, GT3 Touring > 911 Targa > 911T ties with 911.
Fantastic video, really helpful since I'm going to have trouble deciding between these two.... In 10 years....
Daniel Wang gt3. 9k redline is glorious 😎
The engine on the 991.2 GT3 is different to the 911R , it's actually better and more efficient it doesn't use hydraulic lifters
jhrodriguez08 u will get death threats from the crazy R owners !! Lol
Best duo ever... is this the real Zuckerman touring car?
I am dreaming of twin turbo AWD 964. But if I ever would've got 991 it would've definitely be GT3 Touring. I'd actually like a GT3T spec Targa. Ruf make it happen.
Great video. Would be awesome to do more in this format- Spike, Zack, Rogan, etc!
He's right about my hatchback turbo motor, it does die at the top end 😔