Hit and Run - Motor Torpedo Boats in World War 1 I THE GREAT WAR Special
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2018
- The Naval arms race of the early 20th century certainly meant that battleships got ever bigger and more powerful. But there is a David to every Goliath and so Motor Torpedo Boats were developed and used for "hit and run" style operations by both the British and the Italian Navy. Especially, the Italians used their Motoscafo armato silurante (MAS) with great success against the Austro-Hungarian Navy.
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The enemy is being reinforced with a Dreadnought
Then some idiot drive it to the beach
torpedo boats: *its free real-estate*
*AAAAAND IT'S GONE*
@@dd-579fletcherwillyd.9 Why is it that everytime my team gets a behemoth it gets destroyed instantly, while when the enemy gets it he goes on a 100 killstreak.
@@JohnnyLouisXIX idk you might be lagging in game
As a retired US NAVY TORPEDOMANS MATE thank you for the fine video. The Italians were way ahead in underwater warfare also during WW II. I believe they had a merchant ship fitted with a trap door under the ship and could release frogman when at anchor. Several ships were sunk in the Gibraltar area until the allies caught on.
The gibraltar operation is gone so: an italian (legendary today among the navy men) merchant was blocked in algeciras port in front of gibraltar from the beginning of the war. The italian secret service and the frogmen slowly substituted the civil crew, created a yard in the belly of the ship for the manned torpedoes and other things, and for a year or so everything there was an attempt to resupply via gibraltar the british forces in med. They did go out form there, swim until gibraltar and attack the ships. Someone died too. (not all tge attacks was succesful. But a large majority yes.). The british never understood from where they did go out.After italy surrendered they sad to the enemy that there was italian navy men there.
Sometimes, I think people miss just how important the torpedo was. This weapon absolutely revolutionized naval warfare. With the advent of the torpedo, the massive and expensive warships that were thought to be invincible suddenly became horribly vulnerable to anything, no matter how small, as long as it was carrying torpedoes. Naval tactics and theory was dominated for a long time by torpedoes. Even today, they are still important. It is remarkable that despite over a century of innovation, during which many naval technologies have fallen out of favor, the basic design of a self propelled metal cylinder containing an explosive is still very relevant.
It's exactly what an Austrian journalist that was embarked on the Tegetthoff wrote just after having witnessed the sinking of the Szent István. The fact that a 65 million worht battleship was sunk by a motorboat meant that the era of the big battleships ended there.
Torpedo was the one of the most effective naval weapons to date next to the cannons and missiles
Imagine being in the middle of nowhere in the sea and seeing a torpedo heading to your ship.
Nice video Indy and crew!
ah hey
The nightmares...
The photo is not of Luigi Rizzo but Nazario Sauro, another WW1 Italian navy hero
it found it very fascinating that Indy was a teenager before the WW1, he looks so young for being a 125 year old man
It may be a "brief overview", but it's a lot more than you get out of most books about naval operations in WW1.
Check out the italian commandos of the Decima Flottiglia MAS, elite diver troops in WW2 that used these tactics to success. They look very curious in the pictures too, with that mix of scuba equipment that was very innovative for the time.
It is incredible that the sinking of the SMS Szent István was actually filmed. There are almost no motion pictures of actual hostilities in WWI, most footage shown today was either a post-war production or mocked during the war for propaganda reasons.
The Austrians expected a great success in that operation (The Otranto Barrage was dimensioned to block Austrian submarines, so it was expected for a group of four battleship to easily force it), so they embarked several journalists and cameramen to document it. The footage was filmed from the deck of Szent István's twin battleship "Tegetthoff"
M.A.S. was also the short form for "Memento Audere Semper" (Rember to Always Dare) by the Italian poet and soldier D'Annunzio.
A very interesting "feature" for the italian, altought sadly not a very famous one, was the "Mignatta", used to sink the austro-hungarian flagship "Viribus Unitis" in Pola the night of the 31th october 1918.
It was the first torpedo "manually guided" (literally!) by two people, instead of beeing just aimed and shooted, so that it could penetrate at slow speed enemy lines without beeing noticed.
It was evolved into the WWII "SLC" (slow run torpedo) or "maiale" (pig), which was then copied into the british "Chariot".
@aerodog2 The mignatta carried limpet mines instead of a warhead. The divers placed the mines manually on two ships sinking them and were captured while trying to escape.
Austro Hungarians also had torpedo boats. Two of them sank the royal yacht "Rumija" of the Montenegrin king Nikola in Bar harbor early in the war. The British brought one by rail in 1915. to Serbia and used on Danube against Austro Hungarian monitors.
Luigi Rizzo is actually my relative! We have a post-war Italian map of Italy that says something along the lines of "Italy - Redeemed and One. For the valour of her soldiers."
Fun fact: when the Italians sank the Szent Istvan, they also hit the tegetthoff, but the torpedoes did not detonate and the ship was saved.
Best part of the turning tides DLC in Bf1
Ze goggles, zey do nozing!
@aerodog2 The Simpsons. An Austrian actor says it when acid safety goggles don't work when filming a movie stunt.
Battlefield 1 fans, let's have torpedo fight
Syabil Mohar yeah
See you on Zeebrugge
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DANNYonPC dany is fcking everywhere ^^
Torpedo fights are both fun and very frustrating at the same time.
A nicely informative video on Motor Torpedo boats. They were certainly very useful. Great job.
Heligoland Bite and Zeebrugge anyone?
Heligoland is key
The pronunciation of 'Zee Brugge' was awkward, but I don't know how well he pronounced al of the eastern European names.
Not bad for an American though, sometimes when they try to pronounce even place names in Britain they somehow manage to butcher them :-)
AlphaxAlex I dont speak german
AS FAR AS SLAVIC PROPER NOUNS GO INDY IMPROVED A LOT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE SHOW. I ALWAYS THOUGHT INDY SPEAKS GERMAN AND USES "AMERICAN" PRONUNCIATION ONLY SO THAT THE AMERICAN AUDIENCE CAN UNDERSTAND HIM; WHEN I WENT TO A STORE HERE IN THE US TO BUY ADIDAS SHOES, THE GUY HAD NO CLUE WHAT I WANT BECAUSE THEY ANNUNCIATE THE SECOND SYLLABLE INSTEAD OF THE FIRST (LIKE IN GERMAN AND SLAVIC LANGUAGES) - AdiDAS ISNTEAD OF aDIDAS; IN EITHER CASE, I'M SURE IT IS INTENTIONAL, AS THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF GERMANS ON THEIR CREW WHO COULD EASILY CORRECT HIM, IF THEY THOUGHT IT NECESSARY.
Hit and run on a destroyer, in a torpedo boat, at Zeebrugge? Someone's been watching me play Battlefield1.
The Kronstadt raid was a daring and brave adventure of epic proportions, and I'm amazed it was never made into a movie.
The enemy is being reinforced with a dreadnought
Aside the CMB4 in Duxford, Some might be interested in seing the 2 original italian MAS.
Luigi Rizzo's MAS 15, the very boat Rizzo used during the sinking of the Austrian Battleship SMS Szent István. You can see MAS-15 in Rome, it is held inside "Altare della Patria".
Another WW1 MAS can be seen inside "Vittoriale degli Italiani" (D'Annunzio's residence on the lake Garda) , this MAS-96 was the one D'Annunzio was onboard during the raid on Buccari(Bakar)
Well, now I found my answer to where Bf1 got their torpedo design from.
Turning Tides!!!
This is the L class destroyer's worst enemy they need to nerf those torpedo boats or just buff the health
Regarding OOTT, or Who Did What in WWI:
I would like more about the Canadians, such as Conn Smythe, who bought Toronto St Pats and renamed them the Maple Leafs. George Vanier and the Van Doos, Raymond Massey, AY Jackson (famous landscape painter), Grey Owl (conservationist), Dick Irvin (coach of Leafs and Habs,not simultaneously though), and Winnie the Pooh (loveable black bear cub from White River, Ont).
Now that's engaging the enemy more closely by sea and air. Well done, the Bremners. Splice the mainbrace.
William Faulkner wrote the short story "Turnabout" specifically detailing a single torpedo stern launched attack boat.
I had a dream about Indy last night. XD For some reason he called me from Germany to chat with me, and he asked me a historic question that stumped me. I went silent and I hung up the phone to give me a moment to think, but then when I called back, no answer XD
sounds like a David Lynch movie
Indiana Neidell oh, that makes sense, thanks for filling me in on why my dream ended as it did. :P
Hi Indy the man in the photo at the minute 3:59 is not Luigi Rizzi but Nazario Sauro an Italian patriot who was executed by the Austrians. As always great video
what does "italian patriot" mean?
He was born in Capodistria(today Slovenian Koper) , which at the time was under Austrian rule , so when the war broke out he enlisted in the Italian navy succeeding in various operations in the Adriatic, was captured by the Austrians and condemned for "high treason" and hanged.He is remembered as a patriot for the Italian cause and received the gold medal for military valor
i suggest you are italian. so if he was born on austria -hungarian soil he was a traitor pure and simple. and the italian cause for me was nothing more than gain land that doesn`t belong to italy in the first place. not that i am ok with austrian-hungary expansionism but that cause was as right as the austrian one and so was the execution i think.
technically you're in the truth, but I want to ask you what betrayal is worse:
a man who chooses to betray a government all to give his children the opportunity to live free in a country that could call home
Or government that crushes any attempt by your people to impose themselves in a non-violent manner, taking away the right of your people to have their own university, their own minimum self-government and responding violently to any request for a minimum of freedom.
Nazario Sauro could be a traitor in the eyes of the Austro-Hungarian government, but the Austro-Hungarian government had first betrayed its Italian citizens .
In the end the italian had to choose between an authoritarian government that does not recognize the rights of their people, and theyr homeland .
I know it is a bit long and ungrammatical (English is not my first language of course) but I hope I explained my point.
what?
EXCELLENT episode! Thank you!
In here before all the incoming Battlefield 1 comments
No, they were too fast...
whats that
This channel would have half as many subscribers were it not for Battlefield 1 fans.
Red Tailed Hawk You ARE the Battlefield 1 comment
Came here from BF1
Wonderful video about a rarely discussed machine!
Most informative excellent show !!!
William Faulkner wrote an excellent short story ("Turnabout") about an American pilot and a British torpedo boat officer exchanging rides during combat in WWI. It was my first exposure to these amazing sailors.
Thanks for the tip about Childers.
Torpedos away!
Damn them
That's "Torpedo Away!" (Would YOU want to hang around, dodging angry ship and shore gunners after "backwards launching" a British torpedo just to do it again? I didn't think so.)
Los
Thank you for mentioning Riddle of the Sands - it's a great book with an interesting history behind it.
Can you talk about the Italian countryside from Caporetto to Venetian vittorio?
I really love this channel and often binge watch. I wish I could afford to show my gratitude but will spread the word and give thumbs up for now. Thanks Indie you are awesome and your pronunciation of foreign languages is very impressive. I have trouble with English!
that definitely helps a lot, don't worry about it
L-Class Destroyer: *sweats nervously*
This is a great project and I am glad you lot undertook to create it.
Lovely video!!!
Incoming!
I loved this one. ty guys
Indie Neidell for president! Very good, informative, no BS channel
I always think of the Great War as a slow grinding affair that chews up men so efficiently there are few heroes left to recognize. This is a whole different perspective of the war and those fighting it.
fantastic content indi ;)
Cool episode
The Italian navy should not be underestimated😏
Well, it's not under the command of Luigi Cadorna, so it had a chance.
thexalon true
The Ting In the WWII the greatest damage to the British navy was caused by the frogmen of the XªMAS, not the Italian Royal Navy.
The Ting I meant that a commando frogman unit inflicted greater damage to the British navy than the entire fleet of the Italian Royal Navy.
The Ting After the Battle of Cape Matapan, it was better this way.
Man when ever a new episode of this show comes out its like Christmas to me
Great channel, congrats, gotto catch up on many episodes and sure will pass it around, specially now for commeration and for thinking...considering what Europe is going through right.... A note if I may on this Torpedo Boats episode here commented: when you mentioned Luigi Rizzo I believe you actually had an image of Nazario Sauro....N sorry Indy...you stuck an N into "ArmaNto" vs Armato" Ciao
Thanks for another fascinating episode on a little known aspect of the war. I am impressed by the footage of the sinking of the A-H dreadnought. The raid of the coastal motor boat on the Oleg at Kronstadt is described in Russian Roulette by Giles Milton. The Bolsheviks put a price of ￡5000 on Agar's head and let it be known he would be executed by the Cheka if captured.
I just saw Agar’s boat in London a few months ago!!
Wasn’t sure what it was at the time. Very interesting to hear and know it’s story now!
Props for the book suggestion.
As always love the show. Really love that you encourage people to do there own research. Your Amazon store link is down. Sorry if you’ve heard this more times than there were battles for the Isonzo
Amazon discontinued the shop feature sadly.
Fascinating.
Had no idea that CMB 4 was at Duxford! I'm from Cambridge (which is just down the road) and been to Duxford many times and never realised the significance of it! Well you learn something new everyday! Cheers guys :)
Well, overlooked and underrated. ☆♡☆
Love youre Chanel
Lt. Agar, Sir! I salut you! I only wish you had some sea-to-land rockets at the time you paid (well, almost) your visit to Petrograd!
thanks
The ship designs are beautiful, I would like to modernize the hull materials a bit and make my own!
The agent was named Paul dukes not peter dukes, fascinating tale. And also agars boat was cmb7, the unsinkable!
+The Great War
3:58 - Time and time again I've heard this BULLSHIT (sorry for the strong language, but even in History classes it's always like this) of Luigi Rizzo almost single-handedly sinking the Wien. Well, it wasn't him that did it, and he didn't hatch the plan at all, it was Cavaliere MARTINI Arturo.
How do I know?
My grandpa took him to his own home after the Second World War, when he was in abject poverty since he got everything confiscated by the Nazis. I had the honour to read the original plans, the original scripts, the memoirs, EVERYTHING. MARTINI sunk the Wien ship, while Rizzo and d'Annunzio (the poet) got scared by the defenses and chickened out just before coming in direct contact with the Pola harbour. Two torpedoes launced from Martini's MAS, both hit the hull in the same point, according to him:
"It hopened a hole about 5 metres wide, but it was hard to tell: although lights were aplenty in the harbour, we had to run away. After all, we only had to go there, cause the biggest damages possible and get away as fast as we could. Sinking the Wien was a thing we thought to be too good to be true, but Rizzo stole that achievement from me by telling to the Minister of Defense that he personally did it and taking as a proof a shell from the same torpedo that failed to launch and made a coward out of him."
I have the proof to back it up, Indy, I can give it to you, if you want, even translate them to English. All I want is to give a war hero the honour he deserves.
If you have these sources (and had them for years?) what you should have done is: Approach a military historian, have them examined and cross referenced and then let someone write his dissertation about it and publish a book about it. That's how histography works.
If so, you need to go to a historian with this information.
These boats could take me out so easily whenever I'm on a L-Class Destroyer
Hey Indie, my great grandfather served in the first world war as a supply sergeant for the AEF as I'm told. He brought back many war relics such as his gas mask, trench gun and many other things including one French bayonet being dated 1874 on the flat end of the blade and a French saber dated 1811 on the same part. My question is how would a soldier of the AEF come across something this old?! My guess is a game of poker.
cool war stuff
For the second time in this series, i see the Britanic.. Please do an out of the trenches on its war carrier.
@The Great War at 3:34 you show a picture of Pula but Indy says the attack was in Dubrovnik (which is on the other end of the croatian coastline) Btw you are doing an awesome job
5:42 wow !!!
*as I did not think of that
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*before*
My grandpa was a P.T. Boatman for the US Navy in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam
I was on a turret of one yesterday night playing battlefield 1 on Zeebrugge!! Great video
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We gonna need a bigger torpedo boat!
Damn, beat me to it.
3:24 I think we're gonna need a bigger boat.
Man ive been subscribed since 2014
Anyone who hasn't read the Riddle of the Sands would definitely check it out. Read it many years ago and then again last year. It still works. Nice reference.
the photo of Luigi Rizzo is wrong- I think thats photo of Nazario Sauro
Me and a squadie took on a full health destroyer yesterday on Zerberugee with one of these.
Hey Indie and crew, those torpedoes are mounted amidships and not at the stern; the stern is the rear or aft end of the boat. When is a boat called a ship? During WW I, if a vessel was under 1000 tons it was called a boat. The commander of a boat is called the Skipper. The commander of a ship is called the Captain.
The Riddle of the sands was made into a film about 35 years ago,with Michael York and Jenny Agutter in if I remember right.
Makes me wonder: What's your opinion on how naval warfare is depicted in BF1 series, especially the recent Turning Tides DLC?
rolf ski
The Great War actually helped Dice research for BF1, among other things.
I know, but that doesn't guarantee any authenticity. For the sake of gameplay a lot of that gets butchered in the development process.
The intro is epic.
When your back later this year guys at the Tank museum please try and take a wonder to either of these 4 places RAF Museum Hendon there celebrating a 100 years of the RAF this year and have amazing exhibition of the Great War. Shuttleworth collection amazing collection of first world war aircraft from both allies and axis Duxford IWM mostly aircraft BUT! Have an exhibition about the above torpedo boats!! Or try and get along to the main museum in London. Again great episode and good luck.
I can't believe Erskine Childers was mentioned without even an acknowledgement of what he is mainly known for, his later activities as an Irish revolutionary
That motorboat is currently not on display at Duxford. There is still a small exhibit about the raids.
LA DECIMA FLOTILLA
I was hoping for info on the German torpedo boats I was disappointed but the Italian and British ones are interesting
Do a similar episode on Small Torpedo Boats. Like the German A-Class Torpedo Boats and the ones used by the Baltic nations, Ottomans, French and Austro-Hungarians.
MAS Torpedo boats can wreck L-Class destroyers on Heligoland, Zeebrugge and Cape Helles
As seen in BATTLEFIELD1!! Timing coincidence with their NAVAL DLC just releasing...i think not!
Indy helped create BF1,so it makes sense.
even though the DLC technically dropped last year and in the middle of January + the fact that the model of torpedo boat shown in the thumbnail has been in the game since the very start. Good job pointing out a relationship that does not exist. On another note, The Great War guys did actually write the descriptions for the weapons and vehicles in the game.
Agar was the Captain of HMS Dorsetshire when she was sunk with HMS Cornwall in 1941 by the Japanese Imperial Navy. Agar ended up as Commodore Augustus Willington Shelton Agar VC, DSO, RN on retirement.
there are 2 original MAS on display in Italy, in Rome (the one which sunk the Szent Istvan) and Lake garda
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAS_(motorboat)
Film-documentary (in german)ua-cam.com/video/4ihH0Y4FIJQ/v-deo.html
Wow
"Do you like boats? Do you like torpedoes?"
-authentic recruitment poster (honest)
Is anyone hearing much about WW1 on television, and how we should never forget?
Torpedo boats also had some interesting effects on wars in the decade leading up to WWI. In the Russo-Japanese War (1904-5), the commander of the Russian Baltic Fleet was so frightened of Japanese torpedo boats sneaking up on his ships that he opened fire on British trawlers in Dogger Bank, assuming they were Japanese who had sailed half way around the world to intercept him, and almost started a war with Britain. In the First Balkan War, in 1912, a Greek torpedo boat went undetected into the harbour of Thessaloniki, sunk an Ottoman ironclad battleship, and escaped unharmed; which was mostly a morale boost for the Greek side, since that battleship wouldn't have affected the course of the war.
Noot Noot! Here comes The torpedo boat
Maybe a special about Robert Erskine Childers? Great show boys