10-11.0 is the move rn. The mirage 3C is a fun plane now. More playable than before these changes. The changes just made some planes meta af and some very meh.
@@gforce_117I actually wonder if the F-8E(FN) is good now lol. Almost the exact same performance as the F-8U-2, but with better missiles and better high speed, but worse low speed maneuverability. At close range, the missiles on the FN actually work, and can ignore flares that way, so it may be really good now despite also having no flares.
@@kommandantkillcode I think it would be a very solid plane. I haven’t flown that one. Just the E and U2. I think the U2 has a slight edge because of the flares and two more missiles, but both very deadly at 10.0.
Joob! That last F-5E kill was me! Can’t believe I made it in your vid, love watching you man. That was my first match in the F-5, and I most definitely did not take enough fuel haha
Hey Joob! The J-7E is also one of my favorite planes to fly out. Personally, I like to take 54 flares and 18 chaff. You don't face many radar missiles, especially after the BR changes. I also like the long range of the PL-5s.
Funny how the f-4c is .3 br below this. TBH this is the worst br changes I can remember maybe the missile carrier br changes. If any one knows a worse one that has happened within the last 2-3 years
Gripen a is also at 13.0....which completely negates any and all changes made to improve the balance of it before tye update...as you know its clubbing 3rd gems
If you move the J-7E up at all it's going to be dog crap. It already falls off in lobbies with radar missiles. 60 cannon rounds and easy to flare IR missiles as it's only weapons doesn't justify crippling it for having a decent flight model.
@@bigboi5962 I mean nothing can turn fight a J35XS. When I first got mine(Also use the A) I complained about it until I realized it's power. It's got a great flight model for being in the thick of things. Plays different than any other normal fighter I've used lol.
honestly that thing is nearly on par with early F-16's and should not be between the J-35XS and the F-4C... THE FUCKING F-4C!!! no flares, shit missiles and a brick
The fact the F-4C can face the MLD, let alone the J-7E, is fucking absurd, idk how gaijin managed to screw what couldve been the best br change up so badly
Bro War thunder today is ALL ABOUT THE MISSILE META, Launching as many missiles as possible into as many enemies as possible as soon as possible. For mae and other people, that is very uninteresting and boring.
BTW you should check out the J8F at 13.0 with fox3 but what I realized f4S and Mirage F1 are both 12.0 with so many of them dose it get many full down tiers ?
the fact that people kept crying over the f-5c as if it was better than this thing and now they achieved to move it to 11.0 alongside this thing 😭 like man even the f-5e isn't close to half of what the j-7e is.
In a 1 on 1 the F-5's airframe and power plant is just plainly superior and will win in an extended fight. J-7E will just bleed all its speed while the F-5 can reliably keep its speed high enough to basically just stall the J-7 out.
@@Ajcav763 clueless beyond "lack understanding of how each plane works". this is one of the confidently wrong statements of all time. The fact you're literally seeing it in action not losing speed at all and still believe it is caraaazy. Also, the f-4e loses even less speed than the f-5e, does this mean that the f-4e can outdogfight the j7e in prolonged? F-5s engines are weedy and barely push any power. In fact they're the least powerful planes of their own BR's while the J7E is a lighter Mig21 F13 running on a MiG21 SMT engine, giving it over 1:1 TWR on maximum payload while the f-5's get a maximum of 0.7 when they're below 5 minutes of fuel and only above 1100kmh, speeds at which they compress horribly. The J7E does not bleed speed, it feels like a MIG19S on steroids. The fact you can see it in this video and still believe it actually bleeds speed is crazy. You just go back to reddit and keep pushing the f-5's BR's higher lol.
How do you bind it to where you can pitch up and down while in free look? I've been playing for a bit and can't seem to figure it out, would be useful in my f14
Funny how you can see one youtuber starts a vid about a certain Jet or Meta and you can stop the clock on how one of the others will drop almost the same video written in "his own words"
2:00 they won’t do this because they’re shitty code currently severe damage doesn’t count as critical hits. You can get severe damage without making a critical hit tasks that require critical hits are more difficult than they should be.
love how that thing is 11.0 while the mirage F1 is 1 full br higher and faces 4th gen every single game and has only two reliable missiles (530Fs are dogwater)
@@ZigaZagu like 5 percent of the playerbase plays air sim. Any plane is op in sim, if you're good. The gameplay is completely different than the other gamemode and favors a slower and smarter type of gameplay where a better player can make most planes work. Also, aren't the brs separated ?
Why have your missiles soo much range, they are basically on R13M1 or Aim9G level while having Stats of more like an R60? The Missile Guidance time is one of the lowest but the Range is more on the longer side. It acts like a Magic 1 with actual Range.
After the br changes it’s really good. You face a lot more planes that don’t have flares which means you can bomb and then get 1-2 free kills with the magic 1s. J7d isn’t bad but you gotta know how to fly the mig21 right or it’s gonna be pain
Yes, one of the best premiums imo. Easy 3-4 kills per game. It takes some time to get used to the guns but after that they are great too. 10/10 premium.
2:00 there is a reason for critical hits and severe damage to exist at the same time, because of what constitutes a critical hit. Some of module damage is considered a critical hit, many of which are not severe though. Sometimes they only worsen the performance. Gaijin should really work on what is severe dmg and what isnt though. I think if your plane is smoking and barely afloat (changing direction would make you crash) should be severe dmg, which it not always is.
FFS Joob, just press Z when you’re using your gun. You’d have a lot less missed opportunities to apologize to us for if you did. I get it, it reduces situational awareness, but if you kill him with the first burst, you’re not tunnel visioned for long
i just looked into it, for the things I want (AMD 7800X3D, Mobo, and RAM combo) they won't ship. Just certain items. I'd order separately but it's like $200 cheaper to get the combo.
So... you're either much more luckier than me, or you're efficient at cherrypicking enjoyable downtier matches. There are only 2 uptier matches in this video and only 1 situation against real Fox1 slingers - and you died in that match. So... why is this jet so exceptionally good?
It’s by far the best plane at 11.0 lol, and IIRC the only 2 games I cut out were ones where I lived with 0 kills, because who would want to watch that? I didn’t even have any good games this videos. They were all some variation of mid lol Why is it exceptionally good? The flight model alone makes it exceptionally good, not to mention the pl5b’s which are some of the best non-IRCCM missiles in the game because of their range, speed, and short burn period so the red missile diamond disappears quickly. Btw, I got all of the footage for this video in a stream a few days ago.
Gaijins screw up with this and the f8U have ruined the 9.0 to 11.0 range. Grinding out Sweden using J32B and I can hold me own against 1 or two of the F8Us, but my team usually doesn't. Same thing when I try and play the 11.0s for Sweden with the j7.
@lucatrotta5872 A32A is the only 1 that doesn't get missiles at rank 6. However, both the J34 and J29F get missiles, but they will still see the bloody F8U at 10.0
I’m so unbelievably tired of facing this plane when I’m fighting in in the F4E. Why is the F4E even at 11.3? Every plane I go against has better radar better radar missiles better maneuverability. It’s awful to play any of the F4s right now because of the changes. It really feels like Americas only good Rank 7 is the F5.
I like this jet but I think the pl5B's are MASSIVELY overhyped because to me they are below average crap. Yea it reaches max speed in 2 sec but any flare, missile or hot object crosses its path or in its general direction and it will U turn (35g) away from the target. The pl7s are waay better.
I played About 60 matches with the F5E on the same Br and i got 3 downtiers to 10.3 i have never seen a 10.0 gaijin ruined the 5E don‘t get me wrong it‘s still the best plane in this br bracket but against radar missiles this thing doesn‘t have a chance and everything is faster then you that‘s also a minus
Please make the fucking ARH missle planes 14.0 and ignore 13.0 as a br so people don't have to deal with ARH with out ARH because you get those game all the time and it's unplayable because 13 enemies with ARH missles just constantly keep you at distance and you can't do shit
There is actually a huge difference between the J7D and J7E, the J7E is has a much better airframe (if thats the correct terminology) and thus is far superior. Then again it seems you are not at all up to date with the meta so its an understandable confusion.
@@_Joob I play the j7e everyday and I am constantly dogfighting. I think your vids need more quality games then just compiling what you can be bothered with
It should have stayed at 11.0, clickbait titles like this makes everyone think its overpowered cand call for a nerf when its just because more above average players play china, thanks for in part ruining it
The most only countries not affected by br changes is Russia and china. The mig 23 same br and the Chinese are the same. The only things that changed where the already top BR vehicles. The country’s that hid it the worst has to be the US and France. Maybe Britain Also why where you so concerned with the bv238
@@panzernerd8486 "IF CHINA COULD GET LIKE 12 PLANES/JET LIKE ITALY" i never said china dont have any, for that matter there is the premium one, read you dense mf
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Both the J-7E and the F-8 gained extremely much from these new BR changes
10-11.0 is the move rn. The mirage 3C is a fun plane now. More playable than before these changes. The changes just made some planes meta af and some very meh.
As if they werent extremely powerful before, geez, very smart move by gaijin fr
@@gforce_117I actually wonder if the F-8E(FN) is good now lol. Almost the exact same performance as the F-8U-2, but with better missiles and better high speed, but worse low speed maneuverability. At close range, the missiles on the FN actually work, and can ignore flares that way, so it may be really good now despite also having no flares.
Meanwhile the j35xs that was fine where it was is now useless
@@kommandantkillcode I think it would be a very solid plane. I haven’t flown that one. Just the E and U2. I think the U2 has a slight edge because of the flares and two more missiles, but both very deadly at 10.0.
Gaijins logic transcends all of our imaginations
Am I the only one to get 3-4 times as many full uptiers than before the br changes?
@@holzhobelgruen9759 i do too, no matter what br i play from 9.3 to 12.0 it's always uptiers and most of the time full uptiers.
Joob! That last F-5E kill was me! Can’t believe I made it in your vid, love watching you man. That was my first match in the F-5, and I most definitely did not take enough fuel haha
Hey Joob! The J-7E is also one of my favorite planes to fly out. Personally, I like to take 54 flares and 18 chaff. You don't face many radar missiles, especially after the BR changes. I also like the long range of the PL-5s.
Do flares work against Pantsir ? (serious question I'm dumb)
@@JaykeBlaydeno they do not. The missile is manually guided
When Gaijin loves the J-7E and hates the F-4C at the same time
Funny how the f-4c is .3 br below this. TBH this is the worst br changes I can remember maybe the missile carrier br changes. If any one knows a worse one that has happened within the last 2-3 years
Counterpoint, making the F15A 12.3 when every other plane in its update was 12.7
@@DatFatThorYeah, MiG-29 (9.12-13), F-16As (that dont Had 9M) and Yak-141 that dont had R-73 are moved up
Gripen a is also at 13.0....which completely negates any and all changes made to improve the balance of it before tye update...as you know its clubbing 3rd gems
Real f4c is useless af
seek an joob finnaly get to praise the mighty J-7E again
I was enjoying the Sweden grind at 11.3 with the Mig-21BIS but these things are everywhere and curb stomp almost every damned match.
Gaijin wants some of that social credits
incredible that this is at the same BR as the F-104G
Thanks, now 11.0 is even more unplayable again for a few days.
If you move the J-7E up at all it's going to be dog crap. It already falls off in lobbies with radar missiles.
60 cannon rounds and easy to flare IR missiles as it's only weapons doesn't justify crippling it for having a decent flight model.
imagine how the J35XS feels, it doesn’t even get a good flight model 😂
@@bigboi5962 I mean nothing can turn fight a J35XS. When I first got mine(Also use the A) I complained about it until I realized it's power.
It's got a great flight model for being in the thick of things. Plays different than any other normal fighter I've used lol.
there is also the lower tiered mig 21s sitting at 9.3 and 9.7 and in air ab the mig 21 pfm at 8.7.
most fun plane ever tbh
f5c and this thing at the same br is crazy
Haven't flown my f5c since the changes.
@@pieguy121 fr
Is it still good? I tried it recently and it’s, meh. 10.3 to 11.0 🙁
@@fujiwararowan yeah better off with the fcu
The Ayit is even more broken now, you should check it out!
Gaijin's logic is beyond our comprehension and we need not question this.
honestly that thing is nearly on par with early F-16's and should not be between the J-35XS and the F-4C... THE FUCKING F-4C!!! no flares, shit missiles and a brick
Ah yes the shit brick my current top tier
Yoooo, J7E. Feels like I’m watching the stream lol
I hope I get to fly this jet so someday, looks really sick. I mostly play Ground RB maybe 5.0 for China Air as of now... someday
Problem is that jets without flares fight against all aspect ir missiles and radar missiles
And then you raise their BR's to only meet planes with flares and they become horribly outperformed
@@xdtjv2843 performance is a thing, having superior weapons is totally different.
Have you noticed that the flight model feels different? Also have you noticed that it fires off 2 sets of countermeasures instead of 1 like it used to
The fact the F-4C can face the MLD, let alone the J-7E, is fucking absurd, idk how gaijin managed to screw what couldve been the best br change up so badly
Can someone please tell me how you view your missle after firing
prolly my favorite plane
Shhhh. don't let them destroy our gem 😅
FR
Hey joob is this thing still good with the latest br changes now being at 11.3?
is it worth grinding for?
Havent heard joob mention J7E in a while lol
How do you control your plane with the keyboard while pressing c?
which belt is better for this gun?
Bro War thunder today is ALL ABOUT THE MISSILE META, Launching as many missiles as possible into as many enemies as possible as soon as possible. For mae and other people, that is very uninteresting and boring.
this is true. unfortunately that is how games are decided. i almost think of top tier/high tier air as a different game entirely than in prop tier
BTW you should check out the J8F at 13.0 with fox3 but what I realized f4S and Mirage F1 are both 12.0 with so many of them dose it get many full down tiers ?
Ever thought an F-16 could suffer? Well hey guess what the F-16AJ actually sucks because of its matchmaker. Try it out.
same with the MLU, cant fly the damn thing because im worse than my enemies in every way.
the fact that people kept crying over the f-5c as if it was better than this thing and now they achieved to move it to 11.0 alongside this thing 😭 like man even the f-5e isn't close to half of what the j-7e is.
In a 1 on 1 the F-5's airframe and power plant is just plainly superior and will win in an extended fight. J-7E will just bleed all its speed while the F-5 can reliably keep its speed high enough to basically just stall the J-7 out.
@@Ajcav763 clueless beyond "lack understanding of how each plane works".
this is one of the confidently wrong statements of all time. The fact you're literally seeing it in action not losing speed at all and still believe it is caraaazy. Also, the f-4e loses even less speed than the f-5e, does this mean that the f-4e can outdogfight the j7e in prolonged?
F-5s engines are weedy and barely push any power. In fact they're the least powerful planes of their own BR's while the J7E is a lighter Mig21 F13 running on a MiG21 SMT engine, giving it over 1:1 TWR on maximum payload while the f-5's get a maximum of 0.7 when they're below 5 minutes of fuel and only above 1100kmh, speeds at which they compress horribly.
The J7E does not bleed speed, it feels like a MIG19S on steroids. The fact you can see it in this video and still believe it actually bleeds speed is crazy. You just go back to reddit and keep pushing the f-5's BR's higher lol.
Cuz the gun isn’t great… gaijin rn
But it only has 60 cannon rounds!!!!! f5c has 540!!!!!! who cares about the 2 9es and leafblowers for engines and no rwr if you have 540 rounds
@@kittyrusher242 the gun is bad but you have pretty much four free frags with the missiles, and the flight model is arguably 12.3 material right now.
How do you bind it to where you can pitch up and down while in free look? I've been playing for a bit and can't seem to figure it out, would be useful in my f14
you just bind pitch up and pitch down, it should work unless something is double bound somewhere.
yes it should be
Yeees more j-7E videos on UA-cam 😂🎉
am i having a deja vu ?
seems like i am not the only one. Did you watch Seeks video ?
@@lieenurban1173 yes, that's the thing...
One question: Did the remove it's ability to radar slave missiles?
hey spookston, i just got the F5E FCU for Japan, is the plane worth buying, or is it just a waste like my A4E?
with the F5E FCU current battle rating, its super good!
Funny how you can see one youtuber starts a vid about a certain Jet or Meta and you can stop the clock on how one of the others will drop almost the same video written in "his own words"
it's like we're playing the same game lol
@@_Joob ofcourse but you could be innovative and cover a diffrent thing than the rest. Be anti "Meta"
I think the reason why it's 11.0 is cause it has rear-aspect missiles and low ammo count.
Even tho this thing can slap everyone on a dogfight.
2:00 they won’t do this because they’re shitty code currently severe damage doesn’t count as critical hits. You can get severe damage without making a critical hit tasks that require critical hits are more difficult than they should be.
Bro the mig29smt and f16a with aim9ms and no fox1 are at the same br💀
love how that thing is 11.0 while the mirage F1 is 1 full br higher and faces 4th gen every single game and has only two reliable missiles (530Fs are dogwater)
It's op in sim
@@ZigaZagu like 5 percent of the playerbase plays air sim. Any plane is op in sim, if you're good. The gameplay is completely different than the other gamemode and favors a slower and smarter type of gameplay where a better player can make most planes work. Also, aren't the brs separated ?
Well it's a good thing that sim has a separate br right?@@ZigaZagu
The mirage has better ir missiles? But yeah that’s about it.
Why have your missiles soo much range, they are basically on R13M1 or Aim9G level while having Stats of more like an R60?
The Missile Guidance time is one of the lowest but the Range is more on the longer side.
It acts like a Magic 1 with actual Range.
same br of f5c btw
Is A-5C still good grinder for China?
After the br changes it’s really good. You face a lot more planes that don’t have flares which means you can bomb and then get 1-2 free kills with the magic 1s. J7d isn’t bad but you gotta know how to fly the mig21 right or it’s gonna be pain
Yes, one of the best premiums imo. Easy 3-4 kills per game. It takes some time to get used to the guns but after that they are great too. 10/10 premium.
yes
This plane is .3 above the F-4C :)
I wanna cry.
Hello joob, could you please tell me what's the name of the mods you're using to show the full name of aircraft ? thanks
Random mention of Microcenter ok then bet
The thing was already crazy but now it’s even worse
J-7E Enjoyers
2:00 there is a reason for critical hits and severe damage to exist at the same time, because of what constitutes a critical hit. Some of module damage is considered a critical hit, many of which are not severe though. Sometimes they only worsen the performance.
Gaijin should really work on what is severe dmg and what isnt though. I think if your plane is smoking and barely afloat (changing direction would make you crash) should be severe dmg, which it not always is.
FFS Joob, just press Z when you’re using your gun. You’d have a lot less missed opportunities to apologize to us for if you did. I get it, it reduces situational awareness, but if you kill him with the first burst, you’re not tunnel visioned for long
Based
PL-5B's are insane, i have a clip of me hitting a 3-4km launch with the missile climbing to kill and F4.
6:30 Not true actually! I just ordered like 16 Lian Li Unis from them to ship to my house
i just looked into it, for the things I want (AMD 7800X3D, Mobo, and RAM combo) they won't ship. Just certain items. I'd order separately but it's like $200 cheaper to get the combo.
So... you're either much more luckier than me, or you're efficient at cherrypicking enjoyable downtier matches. There are only 2 uptier matches in this video and only 1 situation against real Fox1 slingers - and you died in that match. So... why is this jet so exceptionally good?
The plane has insane missiles and the flight model is the best I have played accept for biplanes
It’s by far the best plane at 11.0 lol, and IIRC the only 2 games I cut out were ones where I lived with 0 kills, because who would want to watch that? I didn’t even have any good games this videos. They were all some variation of mid lol
Why is it exceptionally good? The flight model alone makes it exceptionally good, not to mention the pl5b’s which are some of the best non-IRCCM missiles in the game because of their range, speed, and short burn period so the red missile diamond disappears quickly.
Btw, I got all of the footage for this video in a stream a few days ago.
W vid
Gaijins screw up with this and the f8U have ruined the 9.0 to 11.0 range. Grinding out Sweden using J32B and I can hold me own against 1 or two of the F8Us, but my team usually doesn't. Same thing when I try and play the 11.0s for Sweden with the j7.
you should use A32 to grind sweden, has better engine and has missiles
@lucatrotta5872 A32A is the only 1 that doesn't get missiles at rank 6. However, both the J34 and J29F get missiles, but they will still see the bloody F8U at 10.0
Play the J35XS and see if you can actually do anything but die.
Does that mean the J-7D is worth getting now?
Meh, same missile load out but the airframe is significantly worse
2 MINUTES AGO!! 🎉
i like how this thing with 35g missiles is the same br as f5c. Am i bad? Maybe. Am i salty bcause i bought the f5c this sale? YES.
aimers: the video
Literally
Hello joob
I’m so unbelievably tired of facing this plane when I’m fighting in in the F4E. Why is the F4E even at 11.3? Every plane I go against has better radar better radar missiles better maneuverability. It’s awful to play any of the F4s right now because of the changes. It really feels like Americas only good Rank 7 is the F5.
how do you follow the missile like its a bomb
There's a specific key, the same way you view bombs when you drop them. I believe it's U
gg
Thats why i keep getting killed by j7e
Day 3 of asking spookston to play the A4E for USA
Jab is gud at werthonder
stop bullying j35xs's the thing absolutely sucks now
Ah, a change in the title, were people to dumb to know what "This plane is stupit" mean't?
algorithm thinks this video SUX >:^(
hello joobie boy
I like this jet but I think the pl5B's are MASSIVELY overhyped because to me they are below average crap. Yea it reaches max speed in 2 sec but any flare, missile or hot object crosses its path or in its general direction and it will U turn (35g) away from the target. The pl7s are waay better.
I played About 60 matches with the F5E on the same Br and i got 3 downtiers to 10.3 i have never seen a 10.0 gaijin ruined the 5E don‘t get me wrong it‘s still the best plane in this br bracket but against radar missiles this thing doesn‘t have a chance and everything is faster then you that‘s also a minus
Please make the fucking ARH missle planes 14.0 and ignore 13.0 as a br so people don't have to deal with ARH with out ARH because you get those game all the time and it's unplayable because 13 enemies with ARH missles just constantly keep you at distance and you can't do shit
Hi I'm not even watching the video and actively ignore the current meta
J-7D/E very funny and also Minecraft arrow missile comically good
There is actually a huge difference between the J7D and J7E, the J7E is has a much better airframe (if thats the correct terminology) and thus is far superior. Then again it seems you are not at all up to date with the meta so its an understandable confusion.
@@nick11jl I know, I was more talking about how both have absolute electronic systems and weapons for their BR
Crazy a content creator can have such useless games. Not a single dogfight? You’re flying the j7e
dogfighting doesn't really happen in high tiers that much. if you're trying to dogfight the first person you see, you WILL be third partied.
@@_Joob I play the j7e everyday and I am constantly dogfighting. I think your vids need more quality games then just compiling what you can be bothered with
JOOB :D
It translated to drinks lmao
I know what you did June 9th 2009 jet noob
yeah sorry i was an evil 9 year old
Please please please please please add J7G
Stop this videos on the J-7E they are going to nerf it 😅
It should have stayed at 11.0, clickbait titles like this makes everyone think its overpowered cand call for a nerf when its just because more above average players play china, thanks for in part ruining it
Second view!
I dont like this jet at all
13 views in one minute bro fell off
The most only countries not affected by br changes is Russia and china. The mig 23 same br and the Chinese are the same. The only things that changed where the already top BR vehicles. The country’s that hid it the worst has to be the US and France. Maybe Britain
Also why where you so concerned with the bv238
If just china could get like 12 planes/jets like italy in one patch in order to get access to mig21 below 11.0 🤡🤡🤡
They have the J-7II at 9.3 I think. Also a MiG-21
@@panzernerd8486 yeaaahhhhhh perhaps i should use "a nice mig21", you know radar aam at least
@@antonisashitteragain6993 You said Chinese MiG-21 below 11.0. I just gave your answer
@@panzernerd8486 "IF CHINA COULD GET LIKE 12 PLANES/JET LIKE ITALY" i never said china dont have any, for that matter there is the premium one, read you dense mf
@@panzernerd8486 Better give me yo momma
wow i really hate ur limited vocabulary im sorry
What a nice comment!