How to Restore Old Heart Pine Flooring | This Old House
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Original heart pine flooring is restored and reused at the Charleston House.
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On the second floor of the old kitchen in the Charleston Single House project, Kevin O'Connor finds carpenter Ismael Medina restoring and laying the original heart pine flooring the old fashioned way, with no subfloor.
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How to Restore Old Heart Pine Flooring | This Old House
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Restoring and preserving old materials is worth it!
I know all about using salvaged stuff.. so worth it.. but, adds a lot of time to the job.. but, so worth it..
Hey Lucas! Good to see you here. I just watched your camp video. Nice job on the stone house.
Rodin390 thanks!! It was a needed vacation.. back to work this weekend 😃
That brick wall looks so cool.
That wood is worth a fortune, also if they're face nailing the floor, why don't they use some nails that replicate the old school forged nails ? You can still buy them, it's what I used on my pine floor and the nails look awesome.
I am shocked they didn't used nails! Those screws are just wrong. Ugh.
what a shame and absolute CRIME putting screws through the face of that priceless material! Shame on you, TOH! The only appropriate fastener for the face would be old-school nails.
Made the same comment like 3-4 times already. That's what I used on my Pine flooring. I ordered the nails online and look exactly like old school nails.
0:21: Holy crap. Look at the grain on that.
I'd definitely lay some Acoustic/Soundproofing Resilient tape on top of the joists. It's dirt cheap.
@@thunderpop609, Hello., Am wondering why not use a hidden fastener instead? Think I have seen used on decking boards.
@@thunderpop609 not to prevent creaking. It's there to absorb impact sound transmission to the joists. Not a perfect solution but better than nothing.
@@SteS, Agree and also, if they are face nailing the floor, just get some replica old school square head nails. Make it look authentic.
@@augustreil I know! if he didn't cut the tongue and groove off too 😒. My method I'd spec is SIF4 channels fixed to the top of the joists and Gyproc plank which is sound adsorbent laid between with 25-50mm Isover underneath along with fireline board by British Gypsum. This would retain part of the joists underneath while making it more sound proof and fire resistant. These are available here in Europe. Not sure what equivalent there is in the US.
A video that I enjoyed! Thanks, TOH!
Play full seasons again.... I enjoyed watching season 40 of all the episodes and not just a random episode.
With as much waste he cut off that board they count have put a nice new tounge and groove and left the bottom exposed. Would have looked awesome and lasted way longer. Over time thoes boards will cup and now independent from each other. Although that old heart pine is incredibly stable
I don't understand how this isn't going to creak and buckle like crazy as the wood expands and contracts.
Super tight growth rings and it's plenty aged
@@striker851 aged or not, it's still going to respond to changes in humidity.
@@verdatum a creaking floor in that room over another "public" space of the Dining Room might not be considered such a horrible affect?? It's not in the sleeping area of the house. But it certainly could have used a glue to help prevent this.
When they do the ceiling underneath, they might add some bracing ?
@@verdatum fair. But the ring density will help minimize the movement
It would have been nice to know the decision process for why the floor wasn't just re-finished in place, especially if the aged-look was desired.
I use those screws wherever a cleat can’t be set, at a 45 through the tongue or up against the wall. A little more cost and labor but the results are well worth it.
Most beautiful wood in the world
Planer left a huge snipe-cut at the front of that board and then he wasted what looked like an inch of old heart pine! If they left the tongue and groove, they wouldn't have to worry about a 'false ceiling' to stop dirt from falling below! Disappointing, to say the least.
agreed, Not sure why they took that out
I saw that snipe and clearly Kevin did to lol. My jaw dropped when he ripped the tongue and groove out of the board.
exactly my thinking. Maybe I'm missing something about why they went this way, but if I am, then I wish they would've explained it.
Yeah why not just refinish it in place?
@@wingbolt6852 the only tongue left in place after this job was the one that Kevin was biting to keep from saying what a bad idea this was.
If they're gonna put a false ceiling on the other side facing the Dining room. Why not just put down a quality sub floor then they could have nice exposed beams for the dining room.
That and old school square head nails, they still make them.
Why would it matter? That's inch-thick heart pine that looks like it has the strength of steel. I think that the false ceiling is going in the bays.
Though I suppose a sub-floor would obviate the need for false ceiling in the bays.
Awesome stuff! 😃👍🏻👊🏻
I have heart like in my house that's original. When switching it back to a single family we needed some stair treads, bannister, and a small bundle of heart pine... It was expensive! I believe it was recovered river wood i received.
The added expense of adding tongue and groove is worth the effort..As reclaimed aged wood is 3x more expensive to start with...
Wow, that install does not look too good. Obviously the installer has not lived with an old floor installed without a subfloor! Otherwise, he would have installed a subfloor along with tongue and groove flooring - with a rosin or building paper release under the floor boards. We just had to remove 100 year old white oak flooring installed directly on the floor joists due to the floor boards breaking. We then had to install a new T&G plywood subfloor along with new solid white oak flooring. The problem is over time, the flooring is refinished and sanded down. Especially without a tongue and groove edges, (plus no subfloor), the floor boards break where furniture legs from a couch or bed put all the load on one board. Without a tongue and groove edge on the flooring boards, you will get edges popping up above the adjacent boards when humidity changes.
Not sure what kind of ceiling they're putting in but maybe it will address that problem ? The chance of breaking that is, but you're right.
Another option would be to install reinforcement in the joist bays. I have 120 year old flooring, and some of it has "subfloor" in the joist bays. Where it is reinforced underneath, it is super solid. Over time I plan to add more joist bay support.
Doubtful technique, awesome wood
Wonderful why you used screws and into the face of the wood. We never do that!!! Just wondering
Still waiting for TOH navy blue Fitted caps.
"How Not To Restore Old Heart Pine Flooring"
Fixed the title for you.
Not too many people want a bunch of floor boards that are independent from each other.
Maybe when they do the ceiling underneath, they might add some bracing ?
you are legend 💯👍
The Charleston single house was probably my favorite season of *This Old House*, what is yours?
The Wickwire Barn/home.
Key West
Where can I find full season episodes again?
www.thisoldhouse.com/21015660/watch-this-old-house-and-ask-this-old-house-full-episodes
pirana6 - Thanks so much for this! Grew up watching This Old House., great to see it again after some 30 years.
Nice work!🙌
What a shame. Could have been restored so much more thoughtfully by making a few basic changes. (mill new tongue and groove, soundproofing on the joists, nails!! never screw solid wood floors that need to shift with moisture, and scribe at the board height rather than 2cm above it resulting in large scribing gaps)
I have a pinotea floor in my home that i need to restore but it's so expensive :C
How much would that cost yo resurface a room?
another sub-standard job on TOH. Where are the real professionals? ugh.
That's crap screwing those boards instead of nailing. Also, every floor I've seen has some kind of interlocking, overlapping edging so, it doesn't create gaps.
Crappy scribe job lots of light comming thru brick / floor
Nice
Glad to see la Raza showing their skills! Eso!!!
WTF did I just watch? Horrible wood floor restoration! Can't believe they cut off the t&g and face nailed...and so deep. WTF TOH??
So you got rid of the tongue and groove???
Looks like it. Ripped narrower width, wasting material.
I just didn't believe what I just have seen.... I wouldn't accept that work at all, and the original material was just ruined...
And then the pattern for it? No Sir, I wouldn't accept that work.
@@paristo doesn't the tongue and groove tighten up the boards? I mean, but a freaking antique tongue and groove hand plane and do it right. Craftsmanship. You have to do stuff yourself these days or pay through the nose. I would be furious if this happened and I was notified in advance.
@@tkjazzer The idea is to tighten boards together from full length, so that planks (this case the floor) becomes one large surface that does not bend or move. And of course no dirt or light gets through it. But main purpose is to share the load, so it gets distributed to larger area and this case over multiple joints.
The challenge is when you need to remove the floor. As you can't just pick up one, but need to go from one side all way through to one you want to remove/swap.
One problem why I understand this method to remove these, is squeezing noise for various reasons. So as these don't have tongue and groove, then such noise should be minimal to build up some point. But such problems are easy to fix, a well placed nail in 60 degrees angle that tightens planks together from place where they are moving and no noise.
The only place where I leave planks without groove and tongue are terrace or some warehouse outdoor floors where purpose is to have a small opening that dust, water and light gets through.
If you need to replace one board middle of floor, one can always split it to get it out, and then remove the bottom part of groove to allow tongue get under it.
I just don't get the work they did in this video, as I wouldn't accept at all the crew who starts cutting those off...
Who screws in hardwood floors after cutting off the tongue and groove? even if the old T&G was damaged. Cut in new ones, since you're already spending so much time prepping the wood! cutting corners made this an embarrassing install.
put in the other direction..with the grain
Certainly be nice if they followed it all the way through with advice on finishing or even said that no finish was needed .... otherwise it was an excellent video.
I'm no expert.. But isn't the floor missing a substrate?
Could be building code for the area, or it could be a historical home. I saw the full episode years ago, I can’t remember if they discussed the reason or not.
My home is 114 yrs old and is fir T&G over floor joists, no subfloor.
They said it didn't need subfloor because the flooring itself is a full inch thick. Bet it's darned hard, too, being old growth.
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Congratulations you won the no one gives a crap trophy!
I wish I could understand the guy.
I understood fine.
@@ALMX5DP darned northeast accents! 😂
@@ALMX5DP no you didnt.
I thought that Kevin spoke very clearly
@@davidgarfinkel7033 you're just lying.