Ive been engineering and producing records for over 13 years (aka: making money for services) and this is the 1st snare re-amp i have ever seen. That sounded amazing. Props to you thinking outside the box and coming up with a solid solution rather then pull the sample/trigger card. I hate to use samples myself because your drum sound shapes the character for the entire recording, it's the 1st shot at putting your stamp on it. To all my fellow engineers, stop chasing what your hearing from your mentors but commit and create your own sounds. Think outside the box! Cheers... Good job brother, really impressed with this video..
I do this all the time on acoustic and electronic drum tracks. Love the sound particularly of a fender twin's spring reverb on a snare. If you're feeling adventurous you can run the whole mix through an amp or maybe an old boom box and blend it in parallel to your master. Cool to see there's others using the same technique. Great content - have a great time recording and creating!
Niice! I've heard about this technique a long time ago when samples and triggers did not exist But I never saw it actually. It was about the snare drum in Fine Young Canibals " She drives me crazy". David Z, the engineer, said " I pumped the processed snare and blended through an Auratone speaker set upside down atop another snare drum, which rattled the metal snares and gave the result some ambience and even more high end". That's an awesome idea!
This really impressed me. I don't usually subscribe to UA-cam channels even if I enjoy the videos, but this proved to me that you are a real sound engineer so now I have. Keep it up.
This is saving my life! I’m not being dramatic- the hours of frustration and tweaking to try to salvage the drum session are now going to be cut way down, allowing me to actually live! Ha! My dumb ass recorded a band live and the drummer had the snares off or something whack so the bottom mic just picked up garbage, and we’re all in the same room wearing earplugs so I saw the meter moving on the channel and thought- we good! No! We were not anywhere close to good! Now with this method- I can have a real, proper snare instead of whatever I managed to fake with a stack of plugins and crap. Also room snare without the swishy cymbals from the untreated room and guitar amp bleed! (now scrounging for wood scraps) Thanks!!!!!!! This is life changing, well, for me anyway on this specific project.
+Manofmanytallets Yes, a little. You can adjust for this and the amount will be depending on your system. If your unsure, you can always play a hi hat track through the snare reamp rig, and see how much of a scoot back it'll take to make it right.
6 years ago I attended to a masterclass with Roy Cicala (Record Plant) where he taught us this technique. In that moment I thought "is this really happening?" :) Unfortunately he passed away a couple years ago. Btw, you're providing one of the best content on the internet. Seriously, congrats.
Creative Sound Lab hello could you please tell us how do you wire that speaker is it going directly through a di box via your daw or is it much more complicated than that. Btw your show is awesome. Thanks for sharing precious knowledge.
This is probably the best trick i have seen drum wise. Is this your idea or did you pick it up from somewhere? Your videos are grear, very educational, keep going!
Thanks for the complement! While it's not a very common technique, I'm not the first to do it. I had to do a lot of experimentation on how to get the best results, and using a microphone on top is a result of my own experiments.
Hi, nice to see someone else use this technique. I used to get big kick sound using same "speaker reamping" with a 50 litre plastic bucket. Not kidding. It's all about the resonance.
I've been thinking about this for a while and I think you might be able to use an exciter transducer instead of a typical speaker. In this setup you would put the exciter directly in contact with the head. It will control the ring of the head, but you could add a reverb tail if you want more head ring. The other thing with using an exciter is that you can play around with placement on the head whether you put the exciter in the center or more off center where drummers normally hit the snare. You can pick up a Dayton Audio exciter for about $15 bucks at Parts Express or DigiKey. I think the transducing will give you a much more aggressive attack than inducing a buzz through an external speaker. I'm gonna buy some of these real soon. So I'll report back at some point if/when I do this at my studio.
I actually learned that trick in the early/mid 80s when working as a tape-op, the resident engineer often used it on rythmbox snares to make them sound a bit more realistic...
Contrasting The Void Great advice from your teacher !! In my experience recording and mixing is mainly about listening, i mean really using your ears. People can tell you to do this and that, use this compressor and set your EQ like this and its going to sound great, but if you dont use your ears to tweak it for yourself it will probably sound like crap. Great video BTW !!
I first read about this in Tape Op about 15 years ago or so, and have been using it on and of ever since. In my case I was just looking for more of the "snare" sounds since the drum had plenty of pop but no rattle. I just took a Yamaha floor monitor that was laying around and plopped it right on top and then mic'd up the bottom .I was so excited that it worked I darn near peed myself. I like tour tweaks and will have to give it a shot. Finally a use for that old Crate 12" speaker.....
I really like your lo fi approach its very similar to what I'm doing at the minute - using what you have in a creative way to get a distinctive sound rather than rely too heavily on the standardisation of recording techniques that seems over dominant today.
Hi Ryan. Great video. I've got good results playing the snare track out of a guitar amp combo on it's back with the snare drum batter down on the amp case. Your way is better though as the snare isn't meant to be played upside down! What speaker and amplifier are you using?
No worries. I love this stuff too. Good on you for doing it. Your space looks good, your got a pro approach and I am sure it will be successful. All the best with it! .
Very nice! You can also use small active speaker like Avantone mixcube or genelec 8081 if you are out of guitar speaker. Those monitors are heavy enough to stay on the top and center of the snare without anything to hold them to stay in place.
Is it safe to connect 4 Ohm speaker to mic input? Microphone (like SM57) have 600 Ohm load, while speaker only 4; so is there any impendance problems like short-circuit of mic input? Thank you.
would this work for taking a beefy snare and making it sharp and ringy, for a third wave ska piccolo snare kind of sound? it seems like the lesser amount of initial high frequencies and sharp transient might make it harder to get a good sharp sound.
This technique works better for going the other way...a snare that has no body and poor snare fullness from the bottom and giving it more. It would be hard to add more ring.
I don't have enough inputs to add a snare bottom mic while recording for my band, this could be a very good trick to add punch attack and precision to my snare after recording ! But what kind of speaker do we have to use for this ?
+SoundBoss5150 Not yet, but I think it would be mostly for recording some extra sustain. At some level, you'd be recording the speaker with a bass drum in between. The snare works, because the snares vibrate so easily and the drum responds so well (in volume) relative to the volume of the speaker.
+creativesoundlab What about exciting something else with a kick signal. To provide a bit of beater slap. Am trying to think what piece of percussion or object you could use for this though...
Once again you have shown me something that I needed to see! I just did a session the other day and there was some major hi hat bleed on the snare track (I blame it on poor drumming technique, but that's a different discussion altogether). I will be giving this a try! I'm so glad I stumbled across your channel and can't wait for more content! :)
This technique works because of the snares and you mostly get the part that you are missing anyhow, so I don't think it would work that well, but I'm willing to try. Yeah, others have done this before me, but mostly for the bottom mic, and I haven't heard much from anyone else on the rooms or tom mic that is phase coherent.
Great!amazing video!Would be nice to aply it at least in the floor toms for some rolls and intensive groove work where the triggers samples etc do a poor mechanical job.You know,sometimes the ride cymbal leaks a lot in the floor mic. Thanx!!!
Great video btw You say you using an old speaker with an amplifier ? Are you keeping your settings on the amplifier at unity gain ? Another question is are you going from your Daw out to the speaker and recording through microphones and back into your daw ?
Hey dude, great vid as usual. Would using something cleaner than an amp be better. Can you perhaps come directly out of your desk or would it not give you the volume youd want ? Cheers!
Well the desk gives you line level, which is great for the input of a amp. I think I used a rack mount amp for this video, which is clean and used for monitoring passive monitors. The speaker is full range, but it's heavy on the mids.
Cheers Ryan, I seen you inspired a guy try reamp a kick drum also. Definitely worth trying. Anyways love the channel and think your content is the best online for those who actually wanna get good recordings over messing about with plug ins trying to fix shit :)
So i just found your channel an boy am i happy. Im stuck trying to figure how to make an acoustic Electronic drum kit hybrid. Id love to run the idea by you an hopefully you can point ne in the right direction.
There's a really cool video on contact mics by the UA-cam channel HoboRec you should check out. He does a electronic drum kit with it about half way through the video.
gordontubbs yeah, I could see how it resembles that. No guitar on mine though, it's just a piano that I strummed with a sustain pedal holding a d minor chord I think.
This is an awesome idea. I'm going to give it a try. It's got my mind turning over some ideas about an arduino controlled motor drum whacker(prob won't work) To accomplish something like this. Great video though
Very cool! I wish I knew this trick. Had a session that the snare was totally trash. Went and Re recorded the drums. Although it was worth it. I would’ve tried this first. Thank you!
I'm curious how are you using Ableton to track instruments with all the latency it introduces with every input you put in/also monitoring? Or are you simply using it for mixing?
I monitor direct via my recording interface. At the time it was a MOTU 24IO that had it's own mixer. With thunderbolt, things have changed a lot sense then and most DAWs (I havn't tried ableton yet) are very little latency in the software monitoring.
Most DAWS yes, but ableton in particular is one if not the only DAW that only lets you "reduce" latency, not eliminate it totally. Not that I like the guy's music but if you search "Deadmau ableton" he explains what i'm talking about. Because of this you have to create a separate track for monitoring. Pressing auto or in on monitoring will increase latency. The only way to avoid it is to set it to off. This is unfortunate because I know ableton better than any other DAW but it's a big hinderance and something ableton seems to be sweeping under the rug. Monitoring direct on your interface will obviously solve all this. I'm confused when you say you haven't tried ableton yet though, because thats the DAW being used in this video.
Ok I'll have to check that out right now. Yeah, I have not tried Abletons software monitoring yet. Even now, I leave the monitoring off unless I'm listening to the input of a midi performance to work out a part, then it goes to "Off" (manually set) as I click the loop to start.
Same here. Only for midi tracks. Aside from that the biggest issue i'm running into when re-amping (back on topic) is the hum from the amp. The particular amp i'm using is bad about hum especially the more i turn it up. I guess i'll need to find a real clean amp that doesn't break up at medium/high volumes like a music man or a fender of some sort. and it's not the outlet or the power conditioner it's something going on in the power amp of these particular amps i've read about other's having the same hum. May try a large plate spiral filament tube that are designed to minimize AC hum, and see if it'll work the problem out.
And one step further would be to use this system when your track has a drummachine. What would happen if the drummachine triggers a live kit, a live snaredrum andvthe room. That one is on my list. Really cool video and loved the results. Kinda 4 times better then the toinky snare.
+panti christ It seems most of this is to excite the snares which weren't micced up originally, they are on the other side of the drum... With a kick, you can easily get back the low end various ways, so i'm guess the mic doesn't pick up the beater head instead, which wouldn't really be achieved with this. Maybe split up the track into different EQ bands and try different comrpession, or straight reamping.. I dunno, maybe you can exicite another piece of percussion that would successfully replicate a beater head? Or just hit another kick track and quantise it back into the kick sound? (the speaker thing is partly to get the track in time easily, you could do it with snare but it takes ages..)
NIckDoe Yep, all of these snare hits were rim shots. Cross sticking (wood block sound) will work too as your just putting sound into the drum and it'll vibrate to give you snare buzz to pair with the original.
+Creative Sound Lab: sounds great. Excellent tutorial. What do you mean by "medium volume" regarding the amp? (Any approximate SPL figure? Does the drum sounds as loud as when a drummer is playing it?). What size is your room? (That track sounds very good and not so close to the source). Are there any phase considerations regarding the top mic? (Isn´t that mic also capturing the sound coming from the back of the speaker, which should be projecting the triggering track with its polarity inverted?)
Can I ask a question? Why not use something like drumagog or slate trigger for this? Cool technique if you HAD to do it, but these days you surely don't have to. People augment/replace drums with samples all the time.
this gives you a tone with unique characteristics right off the bat. drumagog / slate ... welp, it's exactly the thing everyone else is using. if thats what you're after, fine, but there are other ways to do it. this is one of them
You're right, you could easily sample augment and done properly it would sound cool. But what I think is really valuable is NOT doing the exact same thing that everyone else is doing. Getting original sounds is now more important than ever, since everyone has access to all the same samples. Getting the audio out of your computer one way or another is often going to result in something unique.
What is your opinion on taking drum tracks that were recorded on A mediocre interface and running them back through a nice preamp? Using direct outs and ins. I have already tried it on my snare and it seemed to make a big difference. I thought I would need a reamp box but there is only a tiny bit of noise. You can only hear noise when the track is soloed, cranked way up and when the snare is not being played. A gate seems to remove all the noise. I'm just wondering if you think there are any possible cons to doing this. Or if you have an idea how to do this better.
Ive been engineering and producing records for over 13 years (aka: making money for services) and this is the 1st snare re-amp i have ever seen. That sounded amazing. Props to you thinking outside the box and coming up with a solid solution rather then pull the sample/trigger card. I hate to use samples myself because your drum sound shapes the character for the entire recording, it's the 1st shot at putting your stamp on it. To all my fellow engineers, stop chasing what your hearing from your mentors but commit and create your own sounds. Think outside the box! Cheers...
Good job brother, really impressed with this video..
+Mixskywalker Thanks man!
I do this all the time on acoustic and electronic drum tracks. Love the sound particularly of a fender twin's spring reverb on a snare. If you're feeling adventurous you can run the whole mix through an amp or maybe an old boom box and blend it in parallel to your master. Cool to see there's others using the same technique. Great content - have a great time recording and creating!
Niice! I've heard about this technique a long time ago when samples and triggers did not exist But I never saw it actually. It was about the snare drum in Fine Young Canibals " She drives me crazy". David Z, the engineer, said " I pumped the processed snare and blended through an Auratone speaker set upside down atop another snare drum, which rattled the metal snares and gave the result some ambience and even more high end". That's an awesome idea!
This really impressed me. I don't usually subscribe to UA-cam channels even if I enjoy the videos, but this proved to me that you are a real sound engineer so now I have. Keep it up.
I was skeptical, but, dude, that sounds amazing. Nice work.
+andrewt248 Thanks! I was skeptical too when I first tried it.
Hahaha, I think you could make a fortune with Metallica fans and reamp all the snares from St Anger.
Metallica could win back a lot of fans if they just disowned st. anger
beedoovideo hilarious!!!
I came here just to see if this was the top comment. Thanks for not disappointing
This is saving my life! I’m not being dramatic- the hours of frustration and tweaking to try to salvage the drum session are now going to be cut way down, allowing me to actually live! Ha! My dumb ass recorded a band live and the drummer had the snares off or something whack so the bottom mic just picked up garbage, and we’re all in the same room wearing earplugs so I saw the meter moving on the channel and thought- we good!
No! We were not anywhere close to good!
Now with this method- I can have a real, proper snare instead of whatever I managed to fake with a stack of plugins and crap. Also room snare without the swishy cymbals from the untreated room and guitar amp bleed!
(now scrounging for wood scraps)
Thanks!!!!!!! This is life changing, well, for me anyway on this specific project.
+Manofmanytallets Yes, a little. You can adjust for this and the amount will be depending on your system. If your unsure, you can always play a hi hat track through the snare reamp rig, and see how much of a scoot back it'll take to make it right.
6 years ago I attended to a masterclass with Roy Cicala (Record Plant) where he taught us this technique. In that moment I thought "is this really happening?" :)
Unfortunately he passed away a couple years ago.
Btw, you're providing one of the best content on the internet.
Seriously, congrats.
Creative Sound Lab hello could you please tell us how do you wire that speaker is it going directly through a di box via your daw or is it much more complicated than that. Btw your show is awesome. Thanks for sharing precious knowledge.
Came here from HoboRec. Excellent channel, subscribed after reading 3 video titles.
Ah yes, he did the kick drum reamping right? Great dude and channel.
From one engineer to another, way to think out side the box. Truly brilliant.
+Marco Mizzoni Thanks!
the best reamp video i've seen
This is probably the best trick i have seen drum wise. Is this your idea or did you pick it up from somewhere? Your videos are grear, very educational, keep going!
Thanks for the complement! While it's not a very common technique, I'm not the first to do it. I had to do a lot of experimentation on how to get the best results, and using a microphone on top is a result of my own experiments.
Hi, nice to see someone else use this technique. I used to get big kick sound using same "speaker reamping" with a 50 litre plastic bucket. Not kidding. It's all about the resonance.
I've been thinking about this for a while and I think you might be able to use an exciter transducer instead of a typical speaker. In this setup you would put the exciter directly in contact with the head. It will control the ring of the head, but you could add a reverb tail if you want more head ring. The other thing with using an exciter is that you can play around with placement on the head whether you put the exciter in the center or more off center where drummers normally hit the snare.
You can pick up a Dayton Audio exciter for about $15 bucks at Parts Express or DigiKey. I think the transducing will give you a much more aggressive attack than inducing a buzz through an external speaker. I'm gonna buy some of these real soon. So I'll report back at some point if/when I do this at my studio.
Never thought about this. Very interesting technique!
Great, fantastic, and also funny to do.
As for guitars? Mh, eq matching, that's a life saver.
I was blown away with this! great videos, I use ableton for recording too. Greetings from Chile!
Thanks!
I actually learned that trick in the early/mid 80s when working as a tape-op, the resident engineer often used it on rythmbox snares to make them sound a bit more realistic...
Very cool to know that trick. I got it from Michael Wagener.
It's nice seeing this trick in other parts of the industry. I learned this when I was still in school at CRAS.
Nice, yeah not the first one to do this, but I added my own twist.
I had a teacher say, "If it sounds good from where you're standing, put a mic there."
There's no right or wrong way to do it, if it sounds great.
Contrasting The Void Great advice from your teacher !! In my experience recording and mixing is mainly about listening, i mean really using your ears. People can tell you to do this and that, use this compressor and set your EQ like this and its going to sound great, but if you dont use your ears to tweak it for yourself it will probably sound like crap. Great video BTW !!
I first read about this in Tape Op about 15 years ago or so, and have been using it on and of ever since. In my case I was just looking for more of the "snare" sounds since the drum had plenty of pop but no rattle. I just took a Yamaha floor monitor that was laying around and plopped it right on top and then mic'd up the bottom .I was so excited that it worked I darn near peed myself. I like tour tweaks and will have to give it a shot. Finally a use for that old Crate 12" speaker.....
You took a very shitty sounding snare drum and turn it into a pretty decent one. Interesting technique, very impressive.
Thanks!
Very clever technique, i'll be sure to add it to my tool box. Thanks!
Lasse Huhtala Thanks!
You my friend are a genius. I will certainly be trying this technique. it's given me an idea of Re-amping a kick through a bass amp.
Thanks man, let me know how it turns out!
This is really, really clever, and brilliantly implemented.
I really like your lo fi approach its very similar to what I'm doing at the minute - using what you have in a creative way to get a distinctive sound rather than rely too heavily on the standardisation of recording techniques that seems over dominant today.
Hi Ryan. Great video. I've got good results playing the snare track out of a guitar amp combo on it's back with the snare drum batter down on the amp case. Your way is better though as the snare isn't meant to be played upside down! What speaker and amplifier are you using?
I think it was a speaker from an old organ, and the amp was a QSC amp. Really you can use anything that will get the drum moving.
You are passionate about post production mixing and
I really like your style!
Excellent!
Thank you, and I'm glad my passion is appreciated. I'm going to start Season Two of these videos very soon.
No worries. I love this stuff too.
Good on you for doing it. Your space looks good, your got a pro approach and I am sure it will be successful. All the best with it!
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love your content dude. keep up the hard work!
I'm just amazed!!!!!! I've had similar issues and had no idea how to fix it... suscribed!!!!!!!
MrBendertheOffender I was amazed too when I first tried it! Glad it can help you with your mixing too.
This is why I subbed to your channel. You're the real deal!
that sounds beefy and natural after your reamp sesh. Don't usually hear about this but the few times I've seen it done it's impressiv
Wow! That sounds a lot better than one might expect! I'm really impressed.
Thanks! Much better than the original!
This is amazing! I would have never thought of this. thanks for posting!
Thanks Joshua!
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Very nice! You can also use small active speaker like Avantone mixcube or genelec 8081 if you are out of guitar speaker. Those monitors are heavy enough to stay on the top and center of the snare without anything to hold them to stay in place.
Is it safe to connect 4 Ohm speaker to mic input? Microphone (like SM57) have 600 Ohm load, while speaker only 4; so is there any impendance problems like short-circuit of mic input? Thank you.
way cool. but how do you amp the speaker, and what is the room mic, and how is it stereo, if it’s just one mic. thanks!
would this work for taking a beefy snare and making it sharp and ringy, for a third wave ska piccolo snare kind of sound? it seems like the lesser amount of initial high frequencies and sharp transient might make it harder to get a good sharp sound.
This technique works better for going the other way...a snare that has no body and poor snare fullness from the bottom and giving it more. It would be hard to add more ring.
Wow! Did not expect that to work at all.
Great trick as an alternative to triggering.
Thanks for the kind words and let me know how the technique works for you!
My only two questions are..
Did you re wire the cone with longer wires to keep it attached to the guitar amp?
And
What ReAmp box did you use?
Interesting concept. I wonder if a transducer could work in place of a speaker if it did touch the drum in a spot.
Will there be any latency issues ?
Yes, but you can correct them easily enough, especially with a percussion track, just zoom way in and line it up with the original track(s).
That's one of the coolest things I have seen in a while
Thanks.
I don't have enough inputs to add a snare bottom mic while recording for my band, this could be a very good trick to add punch attack and precision to my snare after recording ! But what kind of speaker do we have to use for this ?
This is pretty cool! Have you ever done this with a kick drum? Would I need a bass speaker to move enough physical air to get a good sound out of it?
+SoundBoss5150 Not yet, but I think it would be mostly for recording some extra sustain. At some level, you'd be recording the speaker with a bass drum in between. The snare works, because the snares vibrate so easily and the drum responds so well (in volume) relative to the volume of the speaker.
+creativesoundlab What about exciting something else with a kick signal. To provide a bit of beater slap. Am trying to think what piece of percussion or object you could use for this though...
wouldn't have guessed this one - very impressive, and creative
Thanks man!
Once again you have shown me something that I needed to see! I just did a session the other day and there was some major hi hat bleed on the snare track (I blame it on poor drumming technique, but that's a different discussion altogether). I will be giving this a try! I'm so glad I stumbled across your channel and can't wait for more content! :)
What a cool idea. Sounds way bigger now. I wonder if I could do this with toms as well. Question, what room mic are you using?
First learned abou this with Al Kooper back in the 90s.Cool.What abou to aply this technic at the toms?
This technique works because of the snares and you mostly get the part that you are missing anyhow, so I don't think it would work that well, but I'm willing to try. Yeah, others have done this before me, but mostly for the bottom mic, and I haven't heard much from anyone else on the rooms or tom mic that is phase coherent.
Great!amazing video!Would be nice to aply it at least in the floor toms for some rolls and intensive groove work where the triggers samples etc do a poor mechanical job.You know,sometimes the ride cymbal leaks a lot in the floor mic.
Thanx!!!
this is the wildest thing ive seen all week. true mad-science going on here
Great video btw
You say you using an old speaker with an amplifier ? Are you keeping your settings on the amplifier at unity gain ?
Another question is are you going from your Daw out to the speaker and recording through microphones and back into your daw ?
Hey dude, great vid as usual. Would using something cleaner than an amp be better. Can you perhaps come directly out of your desk or would it not give you the volume youd want ? Cheers!
Sorry, also are you using a full range speaker or a guitar speaker ? Cheers in advance :)
Well the desk gives you line level, which is great for the input of a amp. I think I used a rack mount amp for this video, which is clean and used for monitoring passive monitors. The speaker is full range, but it's heavy on the mids.
Cheers Ryan, I seen you inspired a guy try reamp a kick drum also. Definitely worth trying. Anyways love the channel and think your content is the best online for those who actually wanna get good recordings over messing about with plug ins trying to fix shit :)
Oh yeah that video is really cool.
Yea man, pretty sweet! Took the liberty of sharing your channel on a couple of recording forums Im on also to share the wisdom! Take it easy!
Incredible technique man! Can wait to give this a try, any idea how this works on toms?
Hmmm, not sure. It might.
Hey man...Thank you for your tutorials man...Seriously...They are really great man..
Thanks man!
So i just found your channel an boy am i happy. Im stuck trying to figure how to make an acoustic Electronic drum kit hybrid. Id love to run the idea by you an hopefully you can point ne in the right direction.
There's a really cool video on contact mics by the UA-cam channel HoboRec you should check out. He does a electronic drum kit with it about half way through the video.
bravo mate, bravo! That's commitment; the before compared to after is laughable. Have just sessioned about 15 of your vids straight!
Thats incredible. Killer sound
Dude, seriously, this is brilliant!
Thanks man!
Loved your vid! Brilliant idea with excellent results
Chad Parker Right on. Thanks!
Your little intro "song" reminds me of the intro to the TV show Longmire. I like it.
Thanks, I kinda went nuts with the vocal effects. The bands credits are at the end of the video.
Oh, lol, I meant the song at 1:56.
gordontubbs
yeah, I could see how it resembles that. No guitar on mine though, it's just a piano that I strummed with a sustain pedal holding a d minor chord I think.
OMG my mind just blow away, i'd never have thought about doing this O:! it's owsom
This is an awesome idea. I'm going to give it a try. It's got my mind turning over some ideas about an arduino controlled motor drum whacker(prob won't work) To accomplish something like this. Great video though
HI! do you use a reamp box on here?
6:30 wtf is this black magic
Does anyone know what mic is being used on the bottom of the snare?
I believe I used a AKG C414B-ULS
Okay that's what I thought, thanks! Wicked idea by the way, gonna have to try it out myself!
Subscribed. Very interesting ideas, and awesome results.
YoYo .Kidz Thank you!
Very cool! I wish I knew this trick. Had a session that the snare was totally trash. Went and Re recorded the drums. Although it was worth it. I would’ve tried this first. Thank you!
great advice! thank you for all your videos.
pretty significant improvement! Awesome.
Pretty creative dude! Thanks for sharing.
I'm curious how are you using Ableton to track instruments with all the latency it introduces with every input you put in/also monitoring? Or are you simply using it for mixing?
I monitor direct via my recording interface. At the time it was a MOTU 24IO that had it's own mixer. With thunderbolt, things have changed a lot sense then and most DAWs (I havn't tried ableton yet) are very little latency in the software monitoring.
Most DAWS yes, but ableton in particular is one if not the only DAW that only lets you "reduce" latency, not eliminate it totally. Not that I like the guy's music but if you search "Deadmau ableton" he explains what i'm talking about. Because of this you have to create a separate track for monitoring. Pressing auto or in on monitoring will increase latency. The only way to avoid it is to set it to off. This is unfortunate because I know ableton better than any other DAW but it's a big hinderance and something ableton seems to be sweeping under the rug. Monitoring direct on your interface will obviously solve all this. I'm confused when you say you haven't tried ableton yet though, because thats the DAW being used in this video.
Ok I'll have to check that out right now. Yeah, I have not tried Abletons software monitoring yet. Even now, I leave the monitoring off unless I'm listening to the input of a midi performance to work out a part, then it goes to "Off" (manually set) as I click the loop to start.
Same here. Only for midi tracks. Aside from that the biggest issue i'm running into when re-amping (back on topic) is the hum from the amp. The particular amp i'm using is bad about hum especially the more i turn it up. I guess i'll need to find a real clean amp that doesn't break up at medium/high volumes like a music man or a fender of some sort. and it's not the outlet or the power conditioner it's something going on in the power amp of these particular amps i've read about other's having the same hum. May try a large plate spiral filament tube that are designed to minimize AC hum, and see if it'll work the problem out.
This is insane. Great tip to know! Thanks for sharing
Thanks!
Really cool, man! Great idea!
Congrats!
Davicokeiro Thanks. Let me know how it works out for you.
This is nothing short of brilliant!!!
This channel is fantastic.
what control surface is that?
thecrashharder01 The emagic Logic Control, before Apple bought logic. It's the first one, but the faders are more quiet then the silver version.
This is a really cool technique :) By the way, which console are you using for mixing?
And one step further would be to use this system when your track has a drummachine.
What would happen if the drummachine triggers a live kit, a live snaredrum andvthe room.
That one is on my list.
Really cool video and loved the results. Kinda 4 times better then the toinky snare.
I love your videos man. I really love the fact that you use ableton as well. Are you going to namm?
Would love to.
hey man, what are some good all around room mics?
I really love ribbons for about any, and they make great room mics. Anything omnidirectional like a 414B-ULS works well too.
Man... you are a genius. Great video!
That was the cleverest damn thing I ever saw. Good one, man!
Wow thanks man!
TheRev I agree. I thought it was brilliant.
Where's the footage of the actual reamping??
Have you ever done this method with a Kick drum?
+panti christ It seems most of this is to excite the snares which weren't micced up originally, they are on the other side of the drum... With a kick, you can easily get back the low end various ways, so i'm guess the mic doesn't pick up the beater head instead, which wouldn't really be achieved with this. Maybe split up the track into different EQ bands and try different comrpession, or straight reamping.. I dunno, maybe you can exicite another piece of percussion that would successfully replicate a beater head? Or just hit another kick track and quantise it back into the kick sound? (the speaker thing is partly to get the track in time easily, you could do it with snare but it takes ages..)
This is just plain genius. Thank you!
Great video mang, seriously creative.
SamBassalDrums Thanks!
This is freaking genius!
I´m a fan of your work!
holy shit bud, world class!! great results!!
Thanks!
It sounds awesome :) Great video
Creat video, the final drum sound is excellent.
this is pure genius
Hey! how about rimshots?
NIckDoe Yep, all of these snare hits were rim shots. Cross sticking (wood block sound) will work too as your just putting sound into the drum and it'll vibrate to give you snare buzz to pair with the original.
Aw cool!
+Creative Sound Lab: sounds great. Excellent tutorial. What do you mean by "medium volume" regarding the amp? (Any approximate SPL figure? Does the drum sounds as loud as when a drummer is playing it?). What size is your room? (That track sounds very good and not so close to the source). Are there any phase considerations regarding the top mic? (Isn´t that mic also capturing the sound coming from the back of the speaker, which should be projecting the triggering track with its polarity inverted?)
Wow!! That's awesome! Thank you so much! :D
Thanks!
Can I ask a question? Why not use something like drumagog or slate trigger for this? Cool technique if you HAD to do it, but these days you surely don't have to. People augment/replace drums with samples all the time.
this gives you a tone with unique characteristics right off the bat. drumagog / slate ... welp, it's exactly the thing everyone else is using. if thats what you're after, fine, but there are other ways to do it. this is one of them
chucksano because samples sound terrible and aren't real.
You're right, you could easily sample augment and done properly it would sound cool. But what I think is really valuable is NOT doing the exact same thing that everyone else is doing.
Getting original sounds is now more important than ever, since everyone has access to all the same samples. Getting the audio out of your computer one way or another is often going to result in something unique.
"because samples sound terrible and aren't real" maybe get some good samples and learn how to use them
Your videos are great! I hope you get more views soon, it surprises me you don't
TheDintheSpace Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to share them around and post them. I average one video a week released on Tuesdays.
What is your opinion on taking drum tracks that were recorded on A mediocre interface and running them back through a nice preamp? Using direct outs and ins. I have already tried it on my snare and it seemed to make a big difference. I thought I would need a reamp box but there is only a tiny bit of noise. You can only hear noise when the track is soloed, cranked way up and when the snare is not being played. A gate seems to remove all the noise. I'm just wondering if you think there are any possible cons to doing this. Or if you have an idea how to do this better.
Really, really nice, brother. :) thank you! Excellent videos :)
Merci realy cool trigger methode for SD.Thanks from Antibes France.
Thanks!
I thought this was a joke when he busted out the speaker. Way to think out of the box!