Garen in every lane is good for the game. Yeah he is not problematic. His kit in not overloaded. Tons of counterplay vs him. Execute from 50% is totally fine. Let's buff him. -RitoBald.
@@AlexMMI Please explain how his W is not overloaded. Big shield + 30% dmg reduction for 4 sec, 60% tenacity for the first sec, stacking armor and MR passive scaling then 10% bonus armor and MR at the cap.
Im positive Garen has one of the least loaded kits among all 168 champions. Could argue for Warwick, but then again ww can ult over walls with range depending on movement speed. If Garen had wall jumps along with knock up cc and ranged auto attacks then yes.
@@rayymondmorgan1697 This is just dumb. A champ doesn't need a wall jump to be overloaded, especially a top bruiser who is spending the entire laning phase 1v1 fighting in toplane where there are no walls to jump, and can many times not involve entering jungle at all if junglers prioritize drags over grubs. Garen gets a stupid amount of value for nothing. You think Garen's kit is less overloaded than a champ like Shen's? Shen W by comparison is an absolute joke.
I've said it for years and i continue to be proven right: when your entire kit is point and click guaranteed it should NEVER be high damage. Garen has been a balance nightmare for years. They need to change him
But if there's a single mage getting traction bot lane they'll nerf it to the ground and buff every single marksman and their itens the very next patch
@@shacolin6546 Swain, Brand and Seraphine were all higher WR in bot lane than jhin last patch, and have not received nerfs. Hwei is also very strong and counters jhin. You were saying?
As someone who played a lot of yone top in diamond mmr range, yone is great into garen. Def wouldn’t recommend picking garen into yone once you get emerald or above.
I believe these lists are more straightforward, because they target for everyone regardless of elo. While, the sleeper op ones expects you to actually know hot to pilot your champion, and will just suggest new builds for you to flex depending on the game. If you go riftmaker on Amumu, and you don't know what you're doing, you'll get instantly popped because you won't have any bonus health. Sunfire is more friendly towards anyone, and same goes for Bloodsong + BC Senna support. If you're afraid of moving up and punishing the enemy on Senna, you should just stick with ap enchantress which will give you consistent results despite of you being 0/5 or 5/0.
I like how ADC like Jinx and Kaisa can 1 v 1 almost any champion. I saw a 7/0/2 twitch lose the 1 v 1 to a 1/2/4 Kaisa with a level below. Riot and the adc supporters: Kaisa is mega weak you don't even know. Last year world's Kaisa pick rate: 90%
i won 7 in a row as support nidalee lol. she has brought my win rate up to 75% but im also only lvl 30 and have only played for about a week or so. Everyone gets mad saying troll pick but they forget she has a heal that also increases attack speed. If you land your spears you legit just keep the enemies under their tower scared to move forward. You end up with more dmg than your carries at times too, she's a complete beast. literally
Play helmer top lane and crush all these picks lol. There is no melee champ I can’t dumpster. Lv 1 got to there bush top lane and set 3 turrets early and poke them out, get lv 2 and grab grenade and if they walk to contest you throw the grenade and drop a turret at the same time and auto them away. None of the S tier or op tier melee can touch you
@@TheXxemarosaxx Pro players bring in way more money than normal players. Pro players help keep people hyped about the game, which leads to more normal people playing and more money spent.
Mid has been meh for like.. 4-5 years, straight up shit for 2 and midlaners have been the weakest champs in the game for ~3 years with very, very few patches in between where they have been playable. Combine that with the fact that it’s the hardest role to play and the role that requires you to do and know the most, and you know why midlaners have the highest off role winrates. lol In Master+ Midlane mains are the only players who have positive winrates on more than one role. And they have positive winrate on ALL roles. The. Literally have higher winrate on support and jungle than support and jungle mains do. Stats are only EUW and a “small” sample size of 16k players but still insane. Most midlaners would probably climb quite a bit, if they role swapped
@@stevenlang9849 Support items, map changes , doran shield buffs, wave timers, exp comeback mechanics, healing for junglers, tower plates, lower death timers just killed midlane as a role when combined. U just dont have anything to do as midlaner nowdays, and there are no things that can be called "midlaner" job. U cant ward anymore after map changes, all ur ward spots is common and support clear them every 1-2 minute, u cant win lane vs dshield clowns, u cant roam as much when support can leave lane lvl 5 completely and spamgank every lane on poppy, u cant sidelane since midlaners is just free meat for toplane/jungle champs. U dont have any exp lead anymore, its common when u are lvl 10 midlaner and enemy jungle lilia also lvl 10, or even adc is lvl 10 because support left him solo lane for 7+ mins . Midlane ap champions scale is so bad right now that its actually better to just play nasus, garen, kled, ww mid than this shit.
@@alekseykocherov5088 plus having weak items AND MR items being super strong. So void staff/crypt and mages still deal 0 damage, if you buy one MR item - while basically everyone oneshots them. So even being ahead adds very little value, if the rest of the team is behind.😂
@@stevenlang9849 mages deal 0 damage even against supports that doesnt build mr items specifically. They just have so much hp that ur damage is irrelevant, also in most fights its good for them if u waste buttons against support when enemy adc/jungler can dps for free. In return if u get hit by rell, rakan, leona combo u most likely die in 4 seconds cc. Its so funny that they actually thinking "oh we should nerf 20 damage for lissandra here, we should nerf orianna passive there, always +20 or -20" when in reality we just have 30 meta bruisers battle each other with bullshit items that give them shields, slows, lifesteal, movespeed and supports with 3.5k hp roaming map since minute 5 till game ends.
I’m sorry but who wrote this script? There are so many wrong info in this video. Amumu barely cares about a Lulu’s peel, Janna is who can make Amumu suffer. Jhin can run DH, Fleet nerfs doesn’t affect his strength. Lissandra is awful into both Sylas AND Garen. A single Sylas combo deals 4x the dmg of a Liss combo. She can’t do anything to Sylas on her own cause he’ll just heal back all of her dmg, and a Sylas with Liss ult is like stage 3 cancer. Similarly, Garen heals up the little poke Liss has with his passive and Doran’s Shield. His Q and W also makes her CC way less effective. Naafiri is the only one who does struggle against Liss, the other two can easily win vs Liss
LOOL i have the perfect counter for sett top and its malhazar hahaha sett takes alot of dmg and cant do shit he is so useless to play against malz try it out
Malz is immobile. Once you've blown your ult, you're not stopping Sett from all-in'ing you. I've gone up against the odd Malz player as Volibear, and the plan is to not to let him poke you down until the lane is pushed to your side so you can turn and chase him down. Pain in the ass matchup for sure, but it's not too bad.
I just tried Aurora after R nerf, she is horrible now. You can't jump any wall unless you are completely next to it and her R is melee now. Fuck Riot, why don'y you nerf bruisers and tanks?
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To summarize it up
Top-garen
Mid-garen
Jungle-garen
Adc-garen
Support-garen
Helmer to counter all those as well lol
GAREN GAREN
Ty
Garen in every lane is good for the game. Yeah he is not problematic. His kit in not overloaded. Tons of counterplay vs him. Execute from 50% is totally fine. Let's buff him. -RitoBald.
Execute from 50% k.
His kit isn't overloaded (K'sante is the definition of overloaded, every ability does a thousand things), he just needs a nerf.
@@AlexMMI Please explain how his W is not overloaded. Big shield + 30% dmg reduction for 4 sec, 60% tenacity for the first sec, stacking armor and MR passive scaling then 10% bonus armor and MR at the cap.
Im positive Garen has one of the least loaded kits among all 168 champions. Could argue for Warwick, but then again ww can ult over walls with range depending on movement speed.
If Garen had wall jumps along with knock up cc and ranged auto attacks then yes.
@@rayymondmorgan1697 This is just dumb. A champ doesn't need a wall jump to be overloaded, especially a top bruiser who is spending the entire laning phase 1v1 fighting in toplane where there are no walls to jump, and can many times not involve entering jungle at all if junglers prioritize drags over grubs. Garen gets a stupid amount of value for nothing. You think Garen's kit is less overloaded than a champ like Shen's? Shen W by comparison is an absolute joke.
I love how all mid carries have lissandra as the suggested ban
I've said it for years and i continue to be proven right: when your entire kit is point and click guaranteed it should NEVER be high damage.
Garen has been a balance nightmare for years. They need to change him
Stopped scrolling through shorts just in time
All I heard was play Lissandra XD
Lets gooooo
I like how ap is just absent
What do u play Lissandra and Sylas ad?
Kai'Sn't?
But if there's a single mage getting traction bot lane they'll nerf it to the ground and buff every single marksman and their itens the very next patch
@@shacolin6546 Swain, Brand and Seraphine were all higher WR in bot lane than jhin last patch, and have not received nerfs. Hwei is also very strong and counters jhin. You were saying?
@@Junkrajyour lQ has to be below 75.
Just being a gold 3 peaker while abusing ADC wouldn’t be enough to cope so disgustingly hard
As someone who played a lot of yone top in diamond mmr range, yone is great into garen. Def wouldn’t recommend picking garen into yone once you get emerald or above.
Wait didn't they claim that Amumu is super OP with Liandry's + Riftmaker instead of Sunfire second? Now they are back to Sunfire second?
I believe these lists are more straightforward, because they target for everyone regardless of elo. While, the sleeper op ones expects you to actually know hot to pilot your champion, and will just suggest new builds for you to flex depending on the game. If you go riftmaker on Amumu, and you don't know what you're doing, you'll get instantly popped because you won't have any bonus health. Sunfire is more friendly towards anyone, and same goes for Bloodsong + BC Senna support. If you're afraid of moving up and punishing the enemy on Senna, you should just stick with ap enchantress which will give you consistent results despite of you being 0/5 or 5/0.
1:39 garenteed?
1:39 you mean good sir?
@@kenji3985 you must pardon me, kind man
Was gonna say the same lol
Fun note. Here in Brazil some Folks are playing ADC Senna with Black Cleaver, Bork, Rapidfire and Dark Harvest in the Runes. Its pretty legit in here.
3:34 bro...
I like how they tried to push senna into one build only to basically make her the katarina of bot lane
guess i need to main Lissandra
The best skirmish setup for Atrox is Conqueror with triumphal acurity and second stand
Ive never heard of those runes in my life
Lil bro did you mean Triumph,Alacrity and LAST STAND?
I like how ADC like Jinx and Kaisa can 1 v 1 almost any champion. I saw a 7/0/2 twitch lose the 1 v 1 to a 1/2/4 Kaisa with a level below.
Riot and the adc supporters: Kaisa is mega weak you don't even know.
Last year world's Kaisa pick rate: 90%
just play dark harvest jhin in any lanes where you can its so busted if you can get ahead you snowball so fast
I just lost 5 games in a row :(
buddy happens to all of us. if u lose 2 times in a row don’t play anorher game. just pause for 20 mins, it helps trust
i just won 7 games in a row
@@hadisnazary6547 truage
i won 7 in a row as support nidalee lol. she has brought my win rate up to 75% but im also only lvl 30 and have only played for about a week or so. Everyone gets mad saying troll pick but they forget she has a heal that also increases attack speed. If you land your spears you legit just keep the enemies under their tower scared to move forward. You end up with more dmg than your carries at times too, she's a complete beast. literally
Time to lock in Garen then ! 😆
why the player playing Aatrox in the background has cancer?
Suprised they dont mention the IE into runnan into LDR. Its better then the kraken build
CAN THEY PLS NERF GAREN
Ban Garen if you struggle against him.
DEMAAAACIAAAA
@@antoniogivaldri5184wasting a ban on garen really sucks as a midlaner considering he's supposed to go top
Play helmer top lane and crush all these picks lol. There is no melee champ I can’t dumpster. Lv 1 got to there bush top lane and set 3 turrets early and poke them out, get lv 2 and grab grenade and if they walk to contest you throw the grenade and drop a turret at the same time and auto them away. None of the S tier or op tier melee can touch you
@@TheXxemarosaxxyou get all-in’ed and one shot.
Even a silver garen should be smart enough to at least do it every time he has ult up.
Play helmer top lane and counter all the best picks lol. Been climbing the last few weeks with that strat.
I can’t even play the game after the new patch. Just says reconnect to match after champ select.
hmm, why are the changes targeting on the lck draft (pro play) most players are non esports
is the Esports patch
bro its the world patch... learn to read
@@shusakudakehe’s asking why are they doing it when pro players bring in far less money than the normal players who buy skins
@@TheXxemarosaxx bc worlds also makes big money and esports makes game future proof (when its big enough)
@@TheXxemarosaxx Pro players bring in way more money than normal players. Pro players help keep people hyped about the game, which leads to more normal people playing and more money spent.
Those aatrox plays were terrible
I think I could have just guessed the champions and would get it right
wheres my teemo support on that list
Garen mid you say?? TIME TO BULLY THIS DEMACIA GUY WITH Azir 😈😈
"if you want to try a more skilled top laner, try aatrox" LMAOOOO 💀💀 Garen deserves all the slander
Any mages besides Sylas? It seems mid doesn't belong to mages and assassins anymore. It's a party
Jinx is back for Arcane 2
help in the rank ur stuck in. well im stuck in d1 what now ?
Put some respect on my boy Vladimir’s name he is OP as fuck
AP UDYR IS S+ TIER TAKE IT FROM WILLIE YW
his dps is GARENteed?
the rat king is coming back with lethal tempo enjoy while you can
No Control mages ...
lissandra?
Mid has been meh for like.. 4-5 years, straight up shit for 2 and midlaners have been the weakest champs in the game for ~3 years with very, very few patches in between where they have been playable.
Combine that with the fact that it’s the hardest role to play and the role that requires you to do and know the most, and you know why midlaners have the highest off role winrates. lol
In Master+ Midlane mains are the only players who have positive winrates on more than one role. And they have positive winrate on ALL roles. The. Literally have higher winrate on support and jungle than support and jungle mains do.
Stats are only EUW and a “small” sample size of 16k players but still insane.
Most midlaners would probably climb quite a bit, if they role swapped
@@stevenlang9849 Support items, map changes , doran shield buffs, wave timers, exp comeback mechanics, healing for junglers, tower plates, lower death timers just killed midlane as a role when combined. U just dont have anything to do as midlaner nowdays, and there are no things that can be called "midlaner" job. U cant ward anymore after map changes, all ur ward spots is common and support clear them every 1-2 minute, u cant win lane vs dshield clowns, u cant roam as much when support can leave lane lvl 5 completely and spamgank every lane on poppy, u cant sidelane since midlaners is just free meat for toplane/jungle champs. U dont have any exp lead anymore, its common when u are lvl 10 midlaner and enemy jungle lilia also lvl 10, or even adc is lvl 10 because support left him solo lane for 7+ mins .
Midlane ap champions scale is so bad right now that its actually better to just play nasus, garen, kled, ww mid than this shit.
@@alekseykocherov5088 plus having weak items AND MR items being super strong. So void staff/crypt and mages still deal 0 damage, if you buy one MR item - while basically everyone oneshots them. So even being ahead adds very little value, if the rest of the team is behind.😂
@@stevenlang9849 mages deal 0 damage even against supports that doesnt build mr items specifically. They just have so much hp that ur damage is irrelevant, also in most fights its good for them if u waste buttons against support when enemy adc/jungler can dps for free. In return if u get hit by rell, rakan, leona combo u most likely die in 4 seconds cc. Its so funny that they actually thinking "oh we should nerf 20 damage for lissandra here, we should nerf orianna passive there, always +20 or -20" when in reality we just have 30 meta bruisers battle each other with bullshit items that give them shields, slows, lifesteal, movespeed and supports with 3.5k hp roaming map since minute 5 till game ends.
am surprise lulu is not on the list
wait i thought it was 14.19 am i tripping
twitch > jhin, kaisa, & jinx
Yeah really normal that unskilled Garen can Pick on midlane also… dont nerf him… he is ok… 🙄
GARENTEED!
I’m sorry but who wrote this script? There are so many wrong info in this video.
Amumu barely cares about a Lulu’s peel, Janna is who can make Amumu suffer.
Jhin can run DH, Fleet nerfs doesn’t affect his strength.
Lissandra is awful into both Sylas AND Garen. A single Sylas combo deals 4x the dmg of a Liss combo. She can’t do anything to Sylas on her own cause he’ll just heal back all of her dmg, and a Sylas with Liss ult is like stage 3 cancer. Similarly, Garen heals up the little poke Liss has with his passive and Doran’s Shield. His Q and W also makes her CC way less effective.
Naafiri is the only one who does struggle against Liss, the other two can easily win vs Liss
cool
Brainless low-effort champs like Garen, Pyke, and Sett should always be on the lower side of damage due to have ez-mode simplistic they are.
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poppy sup is some fucking bs, its one of the only bot lane matchups I almost guarantee I’ll lose, even if me and supp don’t fuck up haha
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LOOL i have the perfect counter for sett top and its malhazar hahaha sett takes alot of dmg and cant do shit he is so useless to play against malz try it out
Malz is immobile. Once you've blown your ult, you're not stopping Sett from all-in'ing you. I've gone up against the odd Malz player as Volibear, and the plan is to not to let him poke you down until the lane is pushed to your side so you can turn and chase him down. Pain in the ass matchup for sure, but it's not too bad.
I just tried Aurora after R nerf, she is horrible now. You can't jump any wall unless you are completely next to it and her R is melee now. Fuck Riot, why don'y you nerf bruisers and tanks?
Jinx still feels weak somehow
Idk why they're recommending lethality jinx.
@@marcsman07 indeed, makes no sense, lethality for what... they only buffed her attack speed...
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