Why Ahsoka is Becoming a lot more like Anakin than She'd Like to Believe
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Chapters:
0:00 SPOILER ALERT!!!
0:16 Intro
1:12 Under Anakin’s Wing
4:23 The Mandalorian Jedi Padawan
8:02 Outro - Фільми й анімація
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I don't know how Ahsoka got Morgan Elsbeth to talk, but her saying "I didn't follow standard Jedi protocol" sounds a lot like Anakin.
Mind probe aka torture
She smacked her up like anakin did to that bug guy in the jail cell
She did mind hacking like Kylo Ren on Poe.
like the ' you will take us to the holocron' scene
I feel that the relationship between Ahsoka and Sabine mirrors that to Ezra and Kanan’s relationship
They’re both Jedi who didn’t finish their training, they were both headstrong but had to become calm and wise due to circumstance, and they both found an unlikely appearance when they expected to let their culture die
Or Qui Gon with Anakin, some scenes like the Sabine's drawings on her bed in the Ahsoka's Ship, or Ahsoka next to a slepping Sabine, waking her up, so she doesn't have nightmares or bad thoughts, for me had more vibes of a mother/daughter relationship, that older brother/little brother relationship. Also the reaction of Sabine of taking the map is typical of a teenager desobeying her mother, "you say that I will do the opposite".
When you think about it, all of it is rather ironic. The cycle is definitely repeating itself. Count Dooku, Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi (in his youth), Anakin Slywalker, Ahsoka Tano and Sabine Wren were all headstrong, independent and rebellious and yet, all were also quite stubborn and not really good at expressing and showing emotions. They all keep it inward and do not quite show it outwards if that makes any sense. It’s all rather interesting and profound.
That comment Hera made to Ahsoka about her probably beeing a pain in the a$$ sometimes to Anakin and now Sabine is the same to her🤣
I never got to finish my training. I walked away from my Master. That hurt listening to Ashoka say that to Hera.
Kanan, “Am I a joke to you? I never finished my training either.”
@@isaackim7675 he didn't have a choice though
@@isaackim7675difference is ahsoka made that choice. Kanaan did not
This does explain some the issues some people have with the ahsoka series which I'm still excited to see when I can. I also think Anakin is a good teacher to Ahsoka or at least he tries his best with teaching Ahsoka but I can agree his emotions tend to get the best of him to the point of not explaining what and why Ahsoka made a mistake.
In the same way that Anakin needed a father figure and had to settle for a brother figure in Obi-Wan, Ahsoka grew up with a brother figure in Anakin but needs a mother figure. I could definitely see Hera becoming that for her through this series.
She’s older than hera lmao. And no she didn’t need a mother. She needed a proper master. Anakin wasn’t able to handle himself, let alone be someone’s master. I love anakin, but in a traditional Jedi sense, he wasn’t ready / the parental type of figure she needed.
But his emotions and unique training is exactly why she’s still alive or only he and her “survived” order 66 if you will. Least more so than most.
@@957kakashijust drawing parallels my dude. And I don't think their ages changes the fact that Hera has always been the "space mother" of the group.
I could see Hera taking on an at least older-sisterly role to Ahsoka
Sabine's character here reminds me a lot of Tallisibeth Enwandung-Esterhazy aka Scout from legends; minimally Force sensitive, with most of her limited ability focused on limited precognition and a gift for reading the situation faster than most.
Haha, yeah. Remember that time that Kanan tried to make Sabine talk about her feelings?
It's said that more you spent time with someone who is like a mentor or a parent, the more you adopt their tendencies but just don't realize it. Ahsoka had done that with her time with Anakin and because of that she had a hard time with Sabine because Anakin's tendencies seeped into her without her fully realizing it.
My problem is that in the mandalorian she said Grogu was to old and was to afraid. Then she's training Sabine out of left field? Where's the consistency?
Cuz Sabine can't be a "real" Jedi, so sure, I can teach her everything and she'd be a good swordswoman and maybe learn some philosophy, but not choking people with her mind
Might be to do with her own insecurities coming to surface. She knows what happened to Anakin who was older than normal and had these emotions, she probably could train Grogu easily but how it ends would be dependent on stuff. Ahsoka is likely scared of that.
Technically Grogu is older than Sabine lol, but seriously I thought the main reason Ashoka wouldn’t train Grogu was because of the fear/dark past Grogu has.
Good point
Of course she assumed traits of her master from the time when he trained her... when she became the master of Sabine.
Whether history repeats itself, we can't know yet.
Unlike Anakin, when Ahsoka left the Order and couldn't complete her training (as she hinted in Ep 2), the latter may have a chance to do better.
The guidance and hints Hera gives to Ahsoka may help achieving it: She refers to Ahsoka that her master didn't have it easier with her as well - So she reminds her to be patient with her student. Quite much like master Sinube did, too, in the TCW episode "Lightsaber Lost".
Honestly, I don’t understand why Yoda thought it was a good idea to give Anakin a Padawan. He was not ready at all. Plo Koon should have been Ahsoka’s Master.
At this point, it was the will of the Force
Well I believe it was a test to show anakin must let ashoka walk her own path even if he is not apart of it yoda was trying to teach anakin to let go of his attachments however it had the opposite effect
While I agree that he was far from ready to take a padawan and I generally don’t hold Anakin in high regards because of his arrogance and lack of self-control, I can agree with Yoda’s decision to give him a padawan. Also, in life you’re not always ‘ready’ for things. Sometimes you’re just thrown into the fire
Have you ever heard or seen wild people who have a child and they do a complete 180? Their behavior turns around, they become more noble and protective? The whole parent thing.
The idea kind of applies to this situation too and that’s what Yoda was seemingly going after
Anakin was just too much of a shithead for it to really be effective
I think if Ahsoka had been Plo Koon's student, she would have had the chance to become an incredible Jedi, at least Obi Wan level in wisdom and skill. However if Plo Koon had trained her I believe she would have died in Order 66. Star Wars likes to show us that some of the greatest changes in the Galaxy have their roots in single moments and decisions. I believe it was Anakin's harsh blaster deflection drills and her decision to wield two sabers are the simple small moments that led to her surviving the betrayal.
@@SmokeyMountainSuccubusI can't even add to your what if idea, cause that's 110% accurate
Very perceptive in Ahsoka's and Anakin's relationship. You're right about both of them, not really knowing how to show or talk about their emotions. I totally agree with you. 👍👍💯💯
I always feel like Star Wars reveling main characters of shows later on are force sensitive is their explanation for plot armor
This is a great observation! And I am loving the show so far, every tims Baylan talks I am just so focused and interested in what’s coming next. He is very soft spoken for such a powerful force user, and I really like it. RIP Ray
I'm getting impression she was a more "zennish" learned most her lessons from her inexperienced Clone Wars days. Especially with her Superior Jedi performance in the field teaming an helping Dinn Jarin in his show. Seems regardless of being a Force User Anakin trains VERY good fighters. An ALOT of how he trained her probably helped contribute to her survival. Similar in EU with Starkiller. As a Teacher Master Jedi of the Order he's the sorta teacher the Council woulda sent a Padawan particularly struggling with anything combative for proper training an refinement. If only he coulda learned to master the critical issues that causes his Fall
The is a different between not being the perfect teachers and the teachers are being hypocrites. And Ahsoka is definitely NOT a hypocrite. If she did her best in teaching Sabine, then she cannot be entirely blamed if she cannot reached her fullest potential.
Well she did say she didn’t try her best😂
Well sabine and ashoka relationship may be like anakin and ashoka relationship sabine being more of a pain to ashoka especially since she is a mandolrian and ashoka will probably use lessons she learned from her own experience and from obiwan and anakin
For those who think it’s odd she Force sensitive, they made it clear where she stood. She’s kinda of a reverse Jocasta Nu. Her connection allows for specific passive abilities only while Nu could do a lil more, such telekinesis, but not as great as knights & masters. Nu was okay in combat, but Sabine is more of a fighter & has honed her skills on her own
Based on Sabine’s current behavior (I believe she is nearing age 30 in the new show), I would not be so quick to heavily blame Ahsoka for their strained relationship. Sabine is still extremely immature, and shows no sign of growth from Rebels. You don’t need a Jedi master to teach you to stop being a brat. In the Ahsoka/Anakin relationship, Ahsoka was a child, and Anakin was barely an adult. Both Ahsoka and Sabine are adults. I don’t think the situations are comparable.
It’s only 10 years my friend. At most she’s 25. And she grew up during war. While you have to “grow up fast” in many ways, you also don’t get to be a kid and make mistakes and actually grow up like normal people would anyway.
Some is on her but you are getting it a bit twisted thinking she’s like far into immaturity or something
@@957kakashi Sabine was born in 21 BBY, new show takes place 9 ABY, so she should be around 30, right? The first season of rebels starts 5 BBY.
As for growing up during wartime changing personal growth…I suppose that’s possible. It still seems weird how she wouldn’t have taken the concern of a potential new war seriously and just bolted with the map after explicitly being told not to leave with it. I guess she could be in denial or something.
Bro what Sabine grew up creating a weapon for a government she thought was helping them, which ended up massacring her people. Then fought in a civil war which ended in many in her new family, and actual family dying. She might be fucked up for a while. And the situations are at least comparable even if they aren’t exactly the same.
Much like Luke, Ahsoka got a lot of good qualities from Anakin, but she also got some of his bad qualities that is making it hard to teach Sabine, but then again a lot of Jedi even the good ones struggle when it comes to teaching others because of how difficult it is to teach because of how different everyone is, I'm sure Obi-Wan gave some trouble to Qui-Gon, and we know Obi-wan had trouble with Anakin who in turn had trouble with Ahsoka who in turn had trouble with Sabine, and Kanen had trouble with Ezra. But still, they all did their best and wouldn't call any of them bad teachers, we have seen really bad Jedi teachers before with the way they teach their students such as from Jorus C'baoth or those five Masters who tried to kill their students during the Mandalorian Wars because of a prophecy, compared to them Ahsoka and all these other Jedi who had trouble training their students look like they actually know what there doing.
If Allen recommends your channel, I'm watching.
As for the story, I simply live the idea that because Anakin was a flawed teacher, Ahsoka has inherited that as well. Just like in real life, we pass on both out strengths and weaknesses to our students/children.
Has it been explained how Sabine survived a light saber wound very similar to what killed Qui-Gon? At the end of episode 1 i was hoping she had been killed off but nope.
how do the clone legions go in order from most to least elite
OK, maybe she is, but who exactly is going to tell her that? Anakin's Force Ghost (there are hints that he'll appear, though it could just be flashbacks instead), maybe? That'll go over well.
My quiestion is, what will happen with Ahsoka in the end? How the writers will compaginate her story with the three main movies? She will be there, somewhere in the background or it will be killed like the Bad Batch?
When it comes to her being force sensitive I’m not a big fan simply because I feel it takes away from all the cool shit she did in rebels but if it’s written well enough I think can be turned around although it was a bad idea to just drop the idea in our laps like that rather than maybe a reveal or something
The casting for Hera wasn't as good as the others. Her face in Rebels is very clearly more elongated and a bit angular, and the woman they hired has one of the more rounded faces. If she wasn't a green Twi'lek showing up in the same show as Ahsoka and Sabine, I'd never have guessed it was Hera. Choosing someone with a slightly deeper voice works since she's supposed to be older, but the actual bone structure of the face changing is a major error on the part of the people in charge of casting, similar to almost the exact same thing happening to the Grand Inquisitor, who really needs a name so people can refer to him more easily in conversation.
I thought it was an unnecessary plot development.
Sabine already established herself as a kick-ass Mandalorian, a pilot, and a tech genius. That is enough to justify Ahsoka seeking her help with the star map and finding Ezra. Adding in the past subplot about failed training consumed time that could have been used better elsewhere.
Also, the opening when Sabine is speeding away from the cops instead of attending the ceremony seemed a major regression for her character. That was something a Rebels Season 1 Sabine and Ezra would have done. By the time of Ashoka she has survived a war. She should be well past that sort of adolescent behavior.
Her intro could have been finding /capturing/kicking ass of some bad guys on Lothal, showing her skills for those who did not watch rebels, and assuring Rebels fans that she was still faithful to Ezra's memory by protecting his planet.
Then Ahsoka could have brought the map and they could go off to find him.
Instead, not much happened in the two episodes. I love it, and every minute in the SW universe. I just feel the time and investment could have been better used.
Anyway, can't wait to see more.
That was more art appreciation, and highlighted awareness, she has been around war and fighting, .
Anakin then became more like the Senate.
sabine should be able to use a lightsaber since she was taught to use the darksaber maybe she forgot or something
She WAS able to use a lightsaber (reasonably well), but against a Force user with a lightsaber she's gonna have a serious disadvantage.
@Sephiroth144 best example is Pre Visla's duel with Maul Visla despite having years of experience wielding the darksaber was ultimately no match for maul who didn't use the force for the majority of the fight
Good insight.
As of right now it’s too early in the series for me to rag on it
as professor huyang said of "all the padawans i see u fall short to all of them" or she very limited in the force
Random "Brain-Fart" thought from this vid made me imagine an OC, from perhaps the Golden Age of the Old Republic era. A Jedi "yenta" who was a master at matching Masters with Padawans.
For sure remember what she said to Hu yang...."Lets say I didnt follow jedi procedure" a call back to Anakin getting the code fort the bomb of the spider dude general in clone wars ep cat and mouse.
....didnt realize anakin was a monotone stuffy librarian type
3:48 “Calling”??
You’re conscripted!
At the age of *three*!
At the *oldest*!
"Why I should give a shit about Ahsoka, Dave Filoni's unkillable OC that has been overused for over fifteen years?"
No I mean seriously I don't care anymore. She's overused, over hyped, and not important. Ask the original trilogy and even the shit sequel trilogy. Her as a character doesn't matter nor exist minus a voice line in the worst of the sequels.
Is Sabine really force sensitive there isn't any really strong evidence to say Ahsoka was probably teaching Sabine in the ways of the lightsaber or as they are now giant glow sticks so that Sabine could honour ezra's request to protect his home that's my guess..
The one major thing I dislike about Ahsoka is the fact where in the first episode those two dark Jedi board the New Republic ship and pretty much rampage through the entire ship and if you look very carefully you'll notice that the guards who are struck down by a lightsaber from the looks of it they have only a scratch on them...
I thought that candoras ordo did a good job saying his emotions.....
If they make Sabine force sensitive I’m gonna flip a table. Stop making everyone a Jedi.
She isnt. They literally said it in episode 2...
@@jakob8940 Then let’s hope it stays that way.
@@jakob8940 u ppl misread, she is force sensitive, kanan had once said everyone has the force, but not all are strongly attuned, its just very low but it can get higher. in legends obiwan was the same as a youngling but got better with hard work.
@@da-vidcargill4975 well yes she has more mediclorians than the average person but if she doesnt even have as much as any padawan ever, I wouldnt call that "sensitive"
@@jakob8940 I thought that it was established that you could be force sensitive yet still not have the super telekinesis powers. Also that doesn't make her a jedi. Being a jedi is more than just being force sensitive and wielding a lightsaber. I think that the master and student aspect here is more important than the jedi aspect.
It's not like Anakin was an all bad teacher. I in fact think he was the perfect Jedi to train her, since the unconventional training fits their personality propably better.
She could also learn to make things he did wrong better, if you get what I mean.
Also was he often thinking like out of the box and also passed that down on her. Additionally she became highly skilled under his training, also his unconventional methods.
(And let's not act as if she hadn't had any other influences but Anakin in her life or all her negative traits came from him.)
I think that they were highly similar in the beginning, which is also part of why I think Anakin was the right one to train her, since for instance his attitude would support her way of thinking, but also scold her a little.
And as Ahsoka matured, she became less like him, even though she adapted few of his negative, same as positive tendencies.
And about the point that the 'fun loving padawan' was gone: That's not because of Anakins teachings, but because she is an adult now, having high responsibilities.
In fact I recognize the same Ahsoka we got to know in the beginning in the 'current' Ahsoka, just as a properly matured adult in serious times.
And let's not forget that as tough as some of his training methods were, as loving and caring was he on the other side. He also had a strong sense of justice and passed that down to her too.
He also trained her harsh, because he cared for her wellbeing and it clearly showed effect in her surviving many dangerous situations, including Order 66!
I believe being Anakins padawan thought her much for her life and made her grow in a way she wouldn't have under another master, as she learned as much from his
weaknesses as from his strengthens, which prepared her for the future very well.
Apart from that, their sibling-like relationship had a positive effect on both of them, as they were very dear to each other, but still matured through their bond.
They truly brought the best out of each other during their time together and made each other glow.
I'm not saying she would have no character growth without him, but I hope you get what I tried to say with this mess
Sorry for eventuel spelling mistakes.
I'm crying. All I wanted to express was that Anakin was actually a good master and mentor to her and that they actually had a healthy and dynamic relationship in my opinion.
And that he also 'brought' many positive things to her. (And that still not her entire personality envelopes around how he trained her.)
@miekeradow1191 After thinking about this for a while, I also came to 'notice' that he actually taught her some very valuable lessons and I don't mean trough harsch training.
If she is or not won’t matter since she can’t fall to the dark side.
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Force sensitive was a bad call .
Sabine is not really force sensitive.
I have always thought that Sabine is slightly force sensitive since I first started watching Rebels
it was hard for me to stay interested until the end of the second episode. Even then it’s not gonna turn out pretty I’m sure.
I never got the impression that these two particularly liked each other. Anakin tried to kill her after all.
what? During the clone wars? They were best friends. (obviously not early on)
Star wars is utterly hilarious it makes Transformers irrelevant to society. Which is a shame because Transformers is my favorite franchise
She was ALWAYS like him. MORE like him than him because she actually had the courage to leave the Jed Order. So, this video really don't say anything new.
But Sabine is not a force user am I missing something I saw all 4 season of Rebels and I have not seen any episodes showing Sabine have the force it just feels out of left field.
I mean, there is the video you just watched.
she isn't. as huyang even stated, she has little to no force aptitude. she might have some latent subconscious ability, but she's not a force user by a long shot. still, she received training in the ways of the jedi and the use of a lightsaber by ahsoka for a while, though we can be quite certain that force use wasn't much of an option there.
It is suggested by Kanan that the force can work through anyone while he is training her with the dark saber. But Huyang does say that she falls short of anyone he's worked with in force aptitude. I'm hoping that this turns more into her simply being a mandalorian who is trained in the Jedi arts and disciplines, kind of like the blind dude from rogue one.
Ahsoka tano is truly the greatest Jedi knight of all time
She’s not
She’s no Jedi
She is no Jedi
XD Gr8 b8 m8 XD
She's not a Jedi, and never was a Jedi Knight.
I want to see Sabine perform something Force-related. Anything would do.
I personally like the idea of sabine being a jedi. As for her force sensitivity i think she is at the level of lets say han solo in that regard. The main thing i love about sabine being a jedi is that it shows you dont have to be force sensitive to unhold the ideals and teachings of a the jedi.
Kinda feel like this is all for not seeing how she's dead in Rise of Skywalker
thagt wasnt confirmed
Plo Koon would have been a better master fo Ahsoka but it would have made an extremely boring show lol.
I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only one who always thought of Anakin as a 'perfect' master to her. And also her being the 'perfect' padawan for him to take on.
Because Feloni is artistically bankrupt so he’s copy pasting Anakin now
Ok, so it’s not just me. Cause it does seem like they’re lowkey recreating the same plot beats in every show/movie they create.
Well, they did the same thing with Mando season 1, bad batch s1 and kenobi, where the main character would resue a child, and then they would bond and they would have a parent and child relationship
Wow, garbage show. Nothing disney makes is canonical anyway.
It is canonical
Rogue One is. The Bad Batch isn't too bad.
@@fatakcz5962 No, its not.
@@TheFirstCurse1 Neither one is canonical. They are less than bad fanfiction.
Love these people
Filoni is destroying Star Wars with his SJW writing. Tano was never that important. Glad I'm not watching this atrocity.