The Truth About Colleen Ballinger's Ex Husband Joshua
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Weird choice of words... Coffee date, being ghosted, being dumped... In his head, he had a romantic relationship with Joshua and is now acting like a crazy vindictive ex.
He’s a literal Stan.
People always co-opt the term to mean „superfan“, but that’s bs. The translation is „stalker fan“.
To be perfectly clear, I knew nothing about ANY of these people (Colleen, Josh, Johnny, etc), with the exception of Adam, prior to all of this being exposed, but just from watching H3's episode with Johnny as well as all of Swoop's coverage, that's been my take all along as well.
I can't imagine how horrendous all of this crap has been to Colleen & her little gang of predators ACTUAL victims, including (imho) Josh himself.
Mr. "I am the only person in the room that matters" Johnny is not only an out and out liar but clearly also the textbook definition of a "Stan".
@@Caninecancersucksrocksexactly
It honestly sounds familiar to how stalkers talk and fantasize about their victims
Honestly I think Johnny had feelings for Josh in an unhealthy way. And this is his way of revenge. I called this out all the way back in June, and I was accused of victim shaming, defending groomers, all of the things. But to me the red flags have been there as soon as Johnny started tweeting. He’s been ruthless, obsessive and hungry for attention and fame.
This is what I was thinking. He wanted him, but couldn’t have him, so now he’s trying to get “revenge” for it while he can
This is exactly what I was feeling. You can hear it in Johnny’s tone when he talks about him. It’s like someone talking about the love of their life that they lost for whatever circumstance.
And the part where Johnny says “not YET at least” absolutely to me, sounds like he’s feeling like the ball is in his court and he can try and get Josh back. It’s actually super weird. Definitely obsessive behavior in my eyes.
@@Kristen_B123 yeah I feel like he wanted to present himself as someone Josh was interested in since everyone else’s allegations were about Colleen. Im sure it made him feel special that no one else came forward saying Josh gave them his number, or that Josh was grooming them, and that’s the high he rode. I think he mistook Josh’s actions as advances and interest. And several years later he got to capitalize on rejection. He made it seem like he was really close with Josh even tho he wasn’t. He came out to him, I’m sure hoping for a better response. And then years later at a prime opportunity… he spent MONTHS attacking & trying to ruin Josh’s life.
Yes I mean his wording of all the things that happened ..coffee date, dinner with family, surprising him at his place of work, he dumped me etc. Like ??? I think johnny felt like this man owns him the world after his promise (which josh should never have done) and he is a fame chaser and the fact that he aired out other people's stories without their permission is baffling.
P.s his responses to Josh's apologies is vindictive considering he knew that he was lying
What Johnny did is extremely damaging to a person's image. ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!
LMFAO NOT ME SEEING A FOODIE BEAUTY PFP IN THE WILD
@@mcm426grow up.
@@mcm426 haha gorlworld is everywhere
We need Olivia to make a PowerPoint explaining Gorlworld to Ethan
hes so manipulative it makes me SICK
Imagine how damaged you have to be to make up this whole story, honestly the only theory that makes sense is that Johnny was in love with Josh and was mad that Josh wasn't giving him attention.
yessss i been thinking this for the fucking longest since he was on the do we know them podcast i was like that weird the whole time and didn’t want to victim blame or called him a liar but but that was the vibe i was getting from all his interviews
i think he thought that josh was gonna be his ticket to fam and when that didn’t happen he got mad
Totally agree. The way that Johnny talks about Josh allegedly telling other people that they were going to “take over the world” is pretty telling. He was in love with Josh at a young age when he wasn’t able to realistically deal with those emotions and now feels hurt that the fantasy his teen self had played up never came true. And with Colleen being exposed he saw the open door to bring Josh down with her.
Omg yes and let's not forget we're jonney thought he could steal josh off of Colleen and be the side piece in there relationship I agree 💯 with this theory in my opinion of course no facts sadly lol 🤣
Not love, obsession.
This is obviously a personal vendetta against this man who lost his marriage, his career, and almost his life. It's kinda sickening that he has to relive the worst part of his life to fend off baseless accusations.
True story. He doesn’t deserve this at all.
I cannot even imagine what he has gone through emotionally. No one deserves that
@@jakechartrand7308 like I get it if Johnny was hurt because someone he looked up to massively fucked up (which Josh did fuck up by encouraging a parasocial bond with a young, impressionable fan), but Josh took complete accountability and was incredibly contrite. He also opened up about his own issues he was going through at the time. So for Johnny to use Josh's trauma as a cudgel to bash him is disgusting.
I hate when shit like this comes out, because it makes genuine victims like Adam and Ollie look suspect and opens the doors for Colleen's stans to swoop (no relation or pun intended) in.
And because a random nobody wanted to roleplay other people's trauma... all for an internet following...
It’s literally been going on since his divorce with Colleen….Josh had had it rough for the better half of a decade
I cant believe Johnny said swoop doesn't care about victims AFTER he literally said Josh "FUCKED AROUND AND FOUND OUT" In regards to Josh being a dv survivor from his marriage to Colleen. Thats actually laughable😂
It's honestly so sad how delusional Johnny is. The self awareness is so, so, low
It honestly felt like Johnny had a crush on Josh and so he thinks that Josh's abuse was karma for not reciprocating Johnny's feelings
@spectre9340 so true, but more of an obsession than a crush
@spectre9340 exactly what I think too!
@@spectre9340 Yeah, dunno about "crush", but he definitely had an intense para-social relationship with Josh and VASTLY altered context for the absolute worst about a bunch of stuff. Josh made some inappropriate choices. Considering the context in terms of messages, dates, his multiple consistent apologies, and Johnny's own statements about how the conversation went, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Josh. But I can't bring myself to do the same for Johnny considering how his story keeps changing and how it doesn't line up with his own receipts.
Johnny definitely feels hurt over the actions of Josh, and Josh definitely made it worse with his inappropriate choices. But Johnny is overstating literally everything, while blaming and minimizing every single actual victim directly (in some cases even to their faces).
I think Josh's apologies are perfect, they're self aware, clear, recognises and validates Johnny's 'trauma' and experience and takes accountability. I too completely understand if you don't want to take it (as a victim) BUT this whole situation is not that.
The apology alone clears his case. I have never known even one person to make an apology like that when they actually ARE guilty. Just look at johnny himself- giving it good to colleen for messaging minors but when he got caught doing the same- “oh lets not talk about it its taking attention away from colleen/josh”
@@march_dismal4718you may want to edit your comment, you said just look at josh himself and it looks like you meant johnny. Have a good day!! Peace and love
As a victim of SA and grooming, I would kill for an apology from my abuser that looked like that.
@@angiecruz5949 I'm so sorry that happened to you. I appreciate you weighing in, because I honestly think (from as far away from the situation as a person can be) that Josh seems like he's worked hard on him self to get clean and work on his issues and be a good husband to his new wife. But I feel like my impression doesn't matter at ALL because I've never been in that situation, like I am in no position to make any assessment of his apology, even if it seemed sincere and from a place of having changed. I don't know how long ago this was for you, but I hope you've found help and healing. 💕
He did have a weird interactions but I don’t think they are grooming and he seemed like a victim of colleen
i actually LOVE how H3 and SWOOP leave out Johnny's names from any video titles, so he doesn't get that sweet sweet attention to his name lmao
Right!!! Hes hoarding everything with his name on it
I proudly stand with the victim Joshua. Imagine being previously married to Colleen Ballinger, man’s had it rough.
Oh please. He CHOSE to marry her. He's a creep to.
@crystanick2697 too***
@@crystanick2697 How do you not realize this could not be any more textbook victim blaming? “He chose to be with her so it’s his problem”? F*cking seriously??!
Also, no. He’s not a creep. He’s done some odd, probably inappropriate things, but he’s not a damn predator, groomer, or creep.
@@crystanick2697gross
@@crystanick2697 How is he a creep when he never sent any messages about sex? he never sent any weird pics or asked for anything lol weirdo
As soon as Johnny got that message from Josh, his heart sank and his anger was ignited. The message came before Johnny decided to “expose” Josh right? If I’m remembering correctly. Josh is essentially telling Johnny everything that Johnny never wants to hear, especially coming from someone he’s infatuated with. What Johnny hears is “I shouldn’t have talked to you, I shouldn’t have acknowledged you, I shouldn’t have involved you in my life at all.” And that is a huge kick to the ego.
Wow you are so right. Because he wanted the attention from Josh. That’s why he was so adamant in Josh getting on camera to apologise. It’s like he wanted to psychically see Josh acknowledge him. It’s kinda sick
So true, I didn't think of it that way but you're right
He is so obsessed with Josh, it’s crazyyy.
You’re rightttt, it makes so much sense as to why he got so angry, it was a kick to his ego. He’s crazy asf
It's so damaging to actual survivors of abuse to do this shit and HE KNEW THAT IT WOULD based on what he said to Adam
When Johnny was asked to explain the grooming and just says a bunch of nonsensical shit, about "Josh's huge ego" and the Harlem Shake, none of which was anywhere close to grooming, I fucking lost it
It's awful to pretend to be abused in order to get attention. Evil even
@@peterthosegriffins666 it makes me so angry
Or what he said about abuse of power(?) being over SA
@@oliverstone6320 Johnny is a pretty awful person. I know for a fact he hasn't been through any real abuse because if he had he wouldn't make these claims so flippantly
@@peterthosegriffins666it is evil. Because it would ruin a man’s life to make such an accusation. I tell you I think most people online have some major mental problems. I see a lot of malignant borderline type behaviors. These types obsess over you and then turn on you when you won’t fill that hole and neediness they have, they will then lash out at you, because you can see their behavior is off. And it’s very concerning people make such attachments online. And cause serious issues, that can do real life damage to people that they decide to obsess over.
Joshua delivered THE BEST apology ive ever read especially impressive coming from a rich man. The amount of empathy and care that comes across in those words is wild.
he’s definitely not rich. His life changed when Colleen cheated on him, emotionally abused him and left him. He said he lived in his mams for three years after his divorce and now lives in a small house with his wife and dog and has a “normal” job that he’s proud of.
@@Jessie161 he has a house, that's Rich to me 🤣🤣🤣
@@karnagekarnival5127well still that ain’t rich in society lol. Doesn’t matter if that’s rich to you personally or not lol.
@@stst4329 well society didn't post this comment so eat that, nerd
@@karnagekarnival5127i have a house 😂 i wish that made me rich
the whole crew: *speculating about the stories*
olivia the entire 1hour: "JUST WATCH THE CLIP I ATTACHED" LMAO
Haha 100
Olivia is honestly great:) got me watching the show again after taking some years off.
It could be for attention, but I believe Johnny fabricated this out of self-preservation. Johnny did some shady shit as an adult in Colleen's circle. He knew making himself a manipulated victim would take a lot of heat off his ass when the shit hit the fan. It was cold and extremely calculated.
After watching Swoops video I am completely convinced that Johnny knows what he's doing. He is deliberately making horrific false accusations to harm Josh
@@peterthosegriffins666 This as well. He has some serious hate in his heart for this Joshua guy.
@jessjess23brooks89 I think there's probably some unrequited love there. Josh never seemed to make any romantic advances to Johnny and he seems to possibly hold resentment.
@@vikkilooper4075Completely agree. The way Johnny describes going to Josh's auto show uninvited as a "coffee date" is beyond weird. I think Johnny thought he had a significant relationship with Josh when in reality, Josh barely recognised him
this is also backed up by Johnny outright saying he didnt want his actions to be made public because he didnt want attention to be taken off the other victims.
What I love about Swoop is she trusted her gut and went to hear both stories.. that's always important.. not just get 1 side of story.. We can all learn and it's great that swoop is teaching people the difference between drama and the actual danger.
It's sick what Johnny did. I have a feeling he knows that part of AA recovery is honestly admitting your faults and making it right as best you can with the people you hurt with your addiction. I feel like Johnny knew that Josh's sobriety probably exists by that mantra and that Josh was still trying to recover from all that trauma.
He's revictimizing him on purpose.
That last comment implies Johnny was a victim at all, which I am like almost half way in, and I don’t think he was a victim.
@@41052 No Johnny wasn't a victim of anyone. He's actually revolting.
@@SolaGratia.Yeah, I’m 48 minutes in and to hear all the stuff Johnny said was going on, then to see Josh kept him at arm's distance is mind-boggling. Poor Josh, him asking Johnny to run the account was bad but nowhere near as bad or anywhere close to grooming, hope he doesn’t feel like he groomed him. It’s sicking...
@@41052I don't think they meant that Josh was revictimizing Johnny, it's the other way around. Josh is being revictimized.
@@themessafterthemarty4770might just be bad wording
Can't help but feel like Josh got put in a lose lose situation when Johnny immediately started sharing about his sucidial thoughts. If he ignored Johnny he could have a young struggling Colleen fan's death on his conscience
No, I agree! Simply Nailogical had a podcast about the Colleen situate, and she made the point UA-camrs get tons of heart wrenching emails from fans asking for support and comfort, but influencers aren't social workers or counselors, and they don't have the skills to 1) adequately assist everyone who reaches out in a meaningful, sustainable way and 2) have the training to manage their own emotional health and well-being while addressing other people's traumatic experiences (like suicidal thoughts).
Absolutely
Although a lot of people seem to be fed up with this Colleen drama, I am happy that the cast took time to revisit this situation. They platformed Johnny, so it is important to make the record clear that he was far from honest during the interview
I agree 100% if you platform someone & more information comes out i think it would be irresponsible not to talk about it. The people complaining have other things they can do. No one is forcing them to watch.
I have been defending Josh from the get go. He is possibly the biggest victim of Colleen. Period.
He says Swoop could have come to him with her concerns but didn’t she?? With questions, re-asking questions, and a second phone call!
Definitely!
Please keep this conversation going so people don’t forget about these people & what they have done. Why are these adults talking to our children online? Why can’t they live their adult lives without bothering middle schoolers? Don’t let Colleen come back to UA-cam like nothing happened either because these people are the company she keeps!
Colleen can come back, but not Johnny ew.
@@sambugos4237no she can’t either lol
No I'm actually glad this all happened when it did, because Colleen clearly finally took the lawyers advice and talk about her was dying down.
She will still probably be around unless true legal action is taken
@@Fatemaforlife true honestly but i hope ppl continue to hold her accountable
Okay thank you for covering this because I had a full blown argument with someone claiming Josh was just as bad as Colleen and I have never thought from the beginning what Johnny was saying Josh did sounded like Josh was malicious.
Oh my gosh I thought I was alone in my feelings of Johnny being a liar or at least taking advantage of the Colleen situation to go after Josh. I never said anything because I didn't want to make it seem like I was minimizing the victims of grooming.
@@thedeets_ Johnny was probably counting on that 😒
As for why Josh didn't defend himself, please remember that her platform has always been considerably larger and we definitely know now that she was sending fans over to his socials to actively bully him. I don't blame him at all. The mob mentality of the internet potentially hating you would be enough for anyone, not just Josh. As for the things about Johnny, he probably didn't think he'd be believed and as he's been continually saying, his life isn't online anymore. Plus I could see how apologizing for the parts you own up to can become muddied and disingenuous if you, the alleged perpetrator, then deny everything else. Looking forward to Swoop's next video!!
The dude tried to make several videos giving some of his perspective and was bullied for making them like “dude you need to stop talking about this” “how dare you when she isn’t saying anything” and he eventually privated them and after a while stopped posting anything regularly. I witnessed all this crap in real time. The man has been through hell and back.
@@ABCDyeahyeahyeahfr I remember that time too…Josh needs serious apologies and healing
I remember when it went down and she said, "please don't say anything bad about Josh, he's not the bad guy, etc. etc." and I thought that was so gracious of her (I think deep down she does have SOME good motives, like the fundraisers and stuff....in no way negates her awfulness, at all)....but now I think she wanted to seem that way. I dunno. Who knows.
Given the inconsistencies with Johnny story as an alleged victim and the amount that he has diminished the other victims of Colleen ballanger, including her husband who was allegedly physically abused, it appears that Johnny was obsessed with Josh to a degree that was unhealthy and josh's disappearance after his divorce from Colleen. Was in Johnny's mind of a trail. Of his love, it really honestly feels like Johnny is writing. The coat tails of the other victims experience and their statements, which are more than likely true as a revenge plot for a man that he was obsessed with in some capacity, whether it be in a demigod kind of a way a spengali or romantic interest that was unreciprocated.
100%. People who don’t lie don’t have to remember their answers
This!!! He seems like a scorned lover!
Some things I remember from Colleen and Joshua's breakup:
They divorced after a year, had a huge wedding where Colleen wore a princess ballgown which she later claimed was "not her style at all" since she would prefer an intimate wedding and it was really more for Joshua. In her announcement video of the divorce she says something along the lines of "I thought all our problems would go away after getting married but things got worse". I and many others were under the impression Joshua was abusive because of Colleen's statements. It later comes out that the timeline of when Colleen met current husband Erik overlaps during the year of marriage with Joshua. This is why many allege that Colleen cheated on Josh, though Colleen claims she and Erik were only friends until many months after the divorce was finalized. I remember Joshua would post angry videos about Colleen YEARS after the divorce, despite being in a happy relationship with his current wife. He stated he would "expose Colleen" but it sounded like his wife encouraged him not to, so he never did. I always thought he had to be a bit unhinged to be making such angry videos after so much time had passed and he had moved on with someone else, but I can also see, the constant harassment Josh received in comments from Colleen's fans blaming him for the divorce could have that effect on a person
This is really interesting!! Nowhere have I seen mentioned Josh’s previous videos on Colleen? In swoops video he made it seem he went quiet after the divorce and never returned to social media. This is really interesting and changes things I think.
because hes a sociopath
@@celeste2751 🙄 Okay, Colleen 😒 Shoo.
Joshua got so much hate when he tried to expose Colleen a few years ago. Glad to see people waking up a little.
If I thought somebody was grooming me, I wouldn't be upset years later that I felt they ghosted me. I'd be glad. Pick a lane, Johnny.
Regardless, it's all sounding like BS to me at this point. Looking forward to Josh's interview.
OMG… So true!!!
I think it is so very obvious that Johnny felt betrayed by Joshua for ignoring him (the man was going through a terrible divorce and was being harassed by the internet daily, he had a legitimate reason to not wanna talk) and was envious of the "fame" and validation Adam has FINALLY been receiving, and decided to use Colleen and the other victims to broaden his platform so he could drag Joshua through the mud in front of an audience. I didnt like how he spoke over Oliver and Becky in that interview. It feels like all the attention has to be on him always, "comparing" Trishas and Colleens videos. That whole interview with Swoop gave me an ick. If you haven't watched Swoop's newest video, I highly reccomend it. Johnny said some really wild things regarding D/A victims and grooming. He got 3 apologies from Joshua that sounded sincere and he still chooses to call him a groomer and predator with absolutely NO evidence. If I were Joshua, I would sue for defamation. Johnny is making a joke out of the word and meaning of "grooming" and it's really upsetting. I've texted my teenage daughter's best friend before, I am friends with all my kids' friends on social media and we comment back and forth, by Johnny's standards, I would be a groomer for that. 🤦♀️ i always back victims, I just think there is enough proof that Joshua is the actual victim in this situation.
Is anyone else just as pissed off at the parents of these kids? Like, y'all need to step up the supervision.
John's parents have actively encouraged him to do the thing
@@nomysweetsummerchild3984they also seem to have actually supervised it, though, unlike Adams.
@@carnuatus you're right, I guess in their case it was the quality of supervision over the quantity.
@@nomysweetsummerchild3984to do the damn thing*
I'm legit pissed off at Johnny's family. They enabled tf out of their son's clingy behavior. Brought him uninvited to Josh's workplace and even kept pressing Josh about proposing to Colleen after inviting him to dinner
i was groomed as a child, in person by someone i considered a father figure. it is so, so awful. and my family really didn’t care. it is so disheartening for people to brush your experience aside, and not believe you. lying about being a victim and trying to actively ruin someones life is absolutely insane. being a victim sucks. pretending to be one in a situation where there are actual victims, essentially competing against them, for what? for attention? its disgusting.
That was the one thing I couldn’t get past with John’s original story. He seemed so… giddy to come out with his allegations. I’m a survivor, coming out with stuff like this sucks. You have to relive your traumatic experiences and often are still afraid of the person that hurt you. But I brushed it off at the time because trauma works in funny ways sometimes, and no one would ever be vile enough to lie about this, right? Apparently wrong. Disgusting.
@@manic_girl exactly. as a victim, you always want to believe others coming forward with their stories. as you said, we know how hard it is to relive our experiences; especially not knowing how others will react. it’s awful.. and you’re right, he seemed so giddy. and to then go on and make comments like his form of “grooming” was actually worse than being sexually groomed is unreal! and saying his experience was worse compared to the actual victims??? it’s so gross.
I’m glad Joshua is finally getting his story told. I was a fan as a teen of both but seeing the fallout from the divorce and the way Colleen got her fans to attack him all while she played the role of an unbothered angel really rubbed me the wrong way. Everyone was horrible to him. He was cheated on and discarded and had thousands of people on the internet telling him he was a POS. I never believed Johnny. It took one glance at his Twitter to see right through him. I’m glad Adam and Josh are finally free of that leach
Same! I never understood why all the hate was directed towards josh after the divorce since he had been clearly cheated on. And then have to relive it all over again years later and face false accusations on top of that 😢
@@marianaalvrs Colleen was an expert at manipulating her close fans like Adam, and then having those fans go out and poison the well. Adam himself has confirmed this. She was too big for anyone to care about Josh’s treatment. Hopefully it will be different this time.
I know I’m glad Josh is finally getting his name cleared and his story told. This shit’s been going on for the better half of a decade, when the divorce was first announced
@@HadenBlake Johnny told on himself big time on his twitter. He said something similar about Josh's trauma and I remember being so disgusted I blocked him. Until Swoop's video is when I unblocked just to see the mess I missed and I noticed he deleted a lot of his tweets post swoop interview
Does Johnny understand what terms like “grooming” and “predator” mean in the context of abuse? Because, I don’t think he does.
He’s just using the buzzwords because he wants to be relevant. He believes this will garner him attention.
Here's why the Joshua statement is relevant: Colleen spun that she and Erik did not begin a relationship until 6 months or so AFTER her divorce. She portrayed that they were only friends for years, having met on the set of her show where he was an actor and played her love interest. She never addressed that she cheated on Joshua, and acts like she had never been married before Erik. She never mentions that Erik is the 2nd husband.
Johnny: i dont want my involvement in minor group chats to be public because i dont want attention taken from other victims.
Also Johnny: my abuse story is the most important and what happened to me was worse than what happened to anyone else!
he wants to take attention from other victims, just not *that* kind of attention
he wants everyone to be like “omg poor you johnny!! you poor thing poor soul omg we must make him famous and rich for revenge!!” 😂
Olivia did a fantastic job here as always, but there are a couple other things that stood out to me from SWOOP’s video that she didn’t mention:
1) Johnny straight up stole a bunch of Adam’s stories with Colleen and pretended they happened to him with Josh. He even lied about Adam’s allegations and said things happened to Adam that Adam had never claimed. SWOOP found multiple examples of Johnny contradicting himself in major ways or giving dates that were wrong and infeasible.
2) There are some very damning allegations about Johnny doing many of the things he lied about Josh doing. He was video chatting regularly with multiple young kids, he and his friend were encouraging those kids to drink on camera, and he even talked about them in a sexual way. He’s still in a groupchat with at least some of these people to this day, so he absolutely knows he’s lying when he says “it’s inappropriate for adults to be friends with minors.”
This is just the tip of the iceberg, so I encourage people to watch it. I agree with the crush theory, but this became something so much darker than just hurt feelings.
They have another video that covers this portion
Olivia mentioned this in the video before.
Ethan's ability to pause every 5 seconds to get an explanation from Olivia only to have the video unpaused and explain it😂😂
Olivia girlie here ❤
I feel like maybe giving him password and freedom to post on a half-dead profile was an ill-judgement to just give this kid something with an intent "maybe he'd fuck off" in a good way. I don't think he had an exploitative intent.
Johnny, frankly, is sooo lucky Josh isn't suing him for defamation... just WOW
I feel so bad for Josh for so many reasons... but he spent so long trying to get away from this all and it's just come back to haunt him. At least now he's getting some justice.
idk this might be good for him (not the accusations part) but he’s now able to tell his story and everyone will be listening
You don’t have to feel bad for that abusive transphobic misogynist.
to comment on why joshua hasn't taken any approach to personally clear his name... i feel like he has the mindset "i know i haven't done anything wrong and the evidence will inevitably show that, but if i have done something wrong that comes to light in this process i don't want to claim to be innocent right away because i do want to take accountability for it"
As someone who was a victim of grooming as a child, it REALLY annoys me that there is a trend of people claiming they were groomed, without really knowing what the fuck they're talking about because the term is gaining popularity.
Most people who were groomed do not know they were/are being groomed and a lot of people after the fact struggle and still have to correct themselves on their mindframes and what happened. Adam was groomed. Johnny wanted attention.
in josh’s defense for talking to johnny as a minor, he WAS married to a woman who talked to at least 10 minors a day so it probably made him blind to why that would be weird for him to do once (esp in a very platonic above board way like he did) EDIT im not trying to say he did nothing wrong, i’m just saying for him i bet his context made things seem more ok to him
Yes! And not only Coleen, the entire ballinger family talked to minors multiple times it seems
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. He didn’t do much wrong in context of what was going on around him however after he left he realized what he did was wrong. Sitting in a pile of weird ag
I think it's wild that Johnny's family kept badgering Josh about proposing to Colleen
I have been thinking the same thing! There wasn't anyone in his life that told him that talking to these kids was inappropriate. He had a mega famous wife that was doing it all the time. There are obviously things that you shouldn't talk to kids about, but I'm sure he didn't think that just talking to these kids occasionally and trying to be a mentor for them would bite him in the ass later. He has since realized it was wrong and has apologized for it. You don't stop learning and growing the minute you turn 18. Josh was never blatantly inappropriate with Johnny. He saw the writing on the wall and put some distance in between them.
he has also spoken about his past in southern/christian circles where the "youth pastor" / older mentor is really common, and he received guidance from older figures when his relationship with his own dad was bad. I truly don't believe he had bad intentions, but was put into situations he didn't have context for, in a super unregulated arm of the entertainment industry, under the constant direction of an abusive narcissist.
When yall did that video chat with the 3 colleen victims, johnny kept making up stuff or make things worse than they were, and the other 2 would sort of contradict it. I knew he was a gross little fame weasel then.
It's pretty gross and sad how far some will go for clout and social media fame.
i’m not sure if anyone knows, but can i ask the level of Johnny and Josh’s communication? where they talking constantly and had a friendship and that’s why Josh apologized? or did Johnny lie about how close they were before he started working for Colleen, AFTER they divorced?
@@violeta373when swoop did her second doc she revealed that they NEVER hung out alone, and Josh rarely replied to Johnnys messages- it never even constituted a full conversation. Plus Johnny doctored his dms with Josh which Swoop noticed as she got the DMs from both of them
Its so obvious Johnny had some sort of feelings for Josh, and it was not reciprocated, so Johnny made it his goal to hurt Josh the same way he was hurt!
Anyone else wish Olivia was their BFF? She’s such an intelligent, articulate, sweet, kind person to her core ❤️
This comment on this video is the purest definition of ironic I’ve ever seen.
Totally agree. She brings so much depth to the show.
@@jetjohnston8164I’m so glad I wasn’t the only person thinking this lmao
Lmao we watching the same person?
@@bssenterprisehow is it ironic? genuine question
Johnny was bitter about these people not making him the center of their universe & it shows. He followed Josh! he traveled to whatever event Josh was having without being invited or asked, i believe he had feelings for Josh and when Josh pulled back & didn't return those feelings that really set Johnny off, he wanted to ruin Josh.
I always had Josh's side. I totally understand that sometimes relationships just don't work out, but the way Colleen handled everything about it and just dropped him, mocked him, and left him with nothing, after they've been together for over a decade and built THAT life TOGETHER yet she benefited from ALL of it and he, nothing... someone that you once loved who didn't go out of their way to hurt you, how could a normal, sane woman treat somebody like that? She's a cheater, and Eric is just as bad.
I hope this is Josh’s redemption once and for all. What I take huge issue with, is how Cory has managed to fly under the radar. He needs to be next on Swoop’s and everyone else’s list. F_ck THAT dude.
I’ve always been on Joshs side after the divorce. The hurt he felt and the tears of suffering he dealt with years after was so sad to see. He deserves to tell his side and heal💙
Same here. I didn’t watch either one until the divorce cause it was the hot topic. Don’t get me wrong…I had seen some of her videos but that’s it. So I checked his channel out after the divorce. First video he made against her I thought “he’s got some serious dirt on her but is afraid of backlash and won’t say it “
You dont have to feel bad for that transphobic abusive misogynist
Josh reached out to who he thought was the owner of his parody account to take over his own. They were the one who told them it was actually Johnny so he didn’t seek out Johnny specifically for this - he sought out the owner of the parody account and it just so happened to be…. Johnny. Which says a lot about him being s fan
It does make sense to me why Joshua didn't defend himself when everything happened.
The last time he had to defend himself, was after the divorce. Hundreds of Colleen's fans went after him... he had severe depression and alcohol problems. He completely left the internet for years and refused to come back because it wasn't a safe place (mentally). At first, he felt sorry for Johnny and responded... and after that Johnny went on a weird ass spiral about grooming, calling him a predator and all of these things. It went too far, the truth is being manipulated, exaggerated and used for cloud. I am happy he will talk about it "IRL" with Swoop and not just Twitter conversation... which felt like it would have been a bad idea.
johnny didn't mention that he was talking to kids online because he didn't want to take the spotlight off colleen and josh?
how "selfless" of him
I bet Josh is so afraid to be in jail for his wife's and Johnny's actions so he has simply treaded lightly due to the feeling. Josh just seems afraid to me and frankly he really has a right to be afraid!
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Swoop sounds like what journalists use to be. I like it
She's freaking amazing and I wish more journalists would take notes.
I just found her a few days ago, but have loved everything I’ve seen from her.
You just got SWOOPED had me dying😂😂😂😂
I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING OFF ABOUT JOHNNY. He was just so chipper and in character, like he was on a show. Plus, he took up a majority of the convo with the victims on the h3 pod. I just knew he was full of it
Pretty gross that Johnny kinda wanted to go through something awful like what Adam went through. That's basically all I'm getting from this: that Johnny *wishes* he was groomed and abused by Josh. Which also speaks volumes about what him and his friend were ALLEGEDLY doing to the kids in the group chats. Johnny KNOWS that this is wrong, he's testifying about how horrible it was when he "went through it" with Josh, yet him and his friend are ALLEGEDLY doing the same thing if not worse. What a disgusting human.
I'm glad swoop is gaining some traction! I've been watching her content when she was doing essays about the Jodi Foster and the ace Family downfall (yes both were being made pretty much at the same time. She helped make my time at work tolerable with these essays and research
In the most respectful way possible, Ethan is looking so much more healthy and I really appreciate the effort he has put in to get to this point. A true inspiration 😊 Papa Bless 🙏🏽
This seems like Johnny was obsessed, and when he wasn't shown any special attention by Josh, he sees this as the last opportunity to force attention from him even if it is negative
Am I the only one who believes Johnny was in love with Josh and still holds a very personal grudge for that?
Oh nevermind, they talked about that too.
A quick way to sum up Johnny’s story:
He experienced valid feelings of being led on through the lens of a child looking up to someone. Had he just said “I really looked up to this dude and thought he cared, but I was mistaken and I’m hurt”, and everyone would be in his corner right now.
But his way of dealing with those feelings has been completely inappropriate. He’s on a rampage and not making good decisions or acknowledging the harm his current actions are causing. The lies aren’t necessary. Taking advantage of others’ pain isn’t necessary. He needs to reflect on how his actions hurt both himself and others.
Just from listening to Johnny's side of things, it sounds like Josh was trying to mentor a troubled teen fan, who showed interest in the industry. So, he gave him the phone number to assist as help him learn the ropes. Johnny took that to stalk Josh and show up to random events, sometimes with no notice. Johnny and his parents also badgered and belittled Josh as to why he hadn't proposed to Colleen already.
I fully believe Johnny is still a fan of Colleen's and is using this trumped up story to take away the narrative that Colleen is a bad person and that Josh is the true monster. It's a revenge tactic, because Josh never returned Johnny's interest in him.
I’ve been standing with Josh since the divorce
I smelled a rat (Colleen and her husband and friends) and knew they were exploiting his emotions and pain for their gain
I hope he more and more and more gets the support he deserves through all the bull he’s been put through for just loving someone who didn’t love him.
I just had this epiphany… When Johnny says “what Josh did to me is WAY worse”. I think he did have a crush on Josh. Josh did not reciprocate. And ultimately disappeared from Johnnys life. And when Johnny says with such conviction that What Josh did to him was worse …..Josh essentially broke his heart if you will. Johnny felt that on a real level and feels he was wronged by Josh. So when he says what Josh did to him was way worse that’s true for Johnny internally …..but externally he just making these false allegations that he can’t show receipts for. He is really reaching with the examples he does give. Johnny probably wasn’t counting on being asked so pointedly about the grooming by swoop or anyone else, and thought that he could just continue saying he doesn’t have to talk about what happened to him. And because Johnny had feelings for Josh, to which Josh did not reciprocate, I believe this is how internally Johnny justifies saying that Josh was grooming him. Johnny is equating his feelings for Josh to being groomed.
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Holy shit who cares
It's worse in his mind because he LOVED Josh and had a crush on josh. Adam wasn't in love with Colleen on that level... Johnny is internalizing his feelings and upset that they never got any closer. That they never "took the world by storm". I can see Josh telling Johnny that he could accomplish anything and could take the world by storm...but Johnny heard together theyd take the world by storm
Knowing people who have been through 12 step programs Joshua’s apology and taking more responsibility that he needed to feel very ‘making amends’
When you think about what we know about Johnny now and the lengths he’s willing to go it makes sense that josh apologized in that way. He already had experienced the Johnny we now know(obsessive, and dramatic and emotional) so in his mind he’s apologizing for hurting Johnny and he’s validating Johnny feelings by being as soft and gentle as he can with his words. Everyone took it as “if he’s apologizing then he’s guilty” but if you actually read it and hear what he’s saying it’s not that at all. Josh’s apologies were as grown up and gentle as they could be considering Johnny outright tweet he was a groomer. It’s insane really.
The sad thing about this is how much Johnny is taking away from the real problem: Colleen.
Imagine being part of causing the trauma, backpedaling, and then taking advantage of people coming out about real trauma that happened to them. So gross.
I think the real issue thats going on with Johnny is he has Mommy/Daddy issues. Johnny keeps talking about how important it was for him to show them that he wasnt wasting his time on UA-cam and was going to make it big.
Sounds like his parents were never honest with him and have enabled him to live in delusion.
Well it also sounds like he dropped out of school and only did UA-cam. I don’t see that as unsupportive parents but realistic and concerned ones
@loislois3526 I never said unsupported parents at all. I said parents who were enablers. They are the type of parents who tell their children that they are always right, never wrong and aren't being honest with themselves or with Johnny.
I’ve loved swoop for so long and I’m so happy her and her team are finally getting the mass recognition they deserve- they make content that’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen- the most unique mix of internet sleuthing, internet linguistics and true crime, documentary filmmaking but with real engagement, a real person with real morals behind every investigation, telling us the whole truth.
The word “Grooming” is not broad. It’s just getting diluted due to misuse.
Semantics. The way people use it is making it broad, because that's how words change. The only way to fight it is to point it out and insist people use more specific words.
i second olivia about being confused about johnny and joshua’s exchanges on twitter. i felt like his apologies seemed genuine but i could also see why johnny, if he really was groomed, might’ve felt it was not… but yeah, it seems like johnny blew things out of proportion and has a vendetta against joshua :/ i’m glad the full extent of things have come out for his sake
Josh obviously is making amends the AA way. Naming the wrong, saying why and how it was wrong and taking responsibility. He's working his program, specifically step 8 and 9.
personally, i’ve always considered grooming to be the “training” of a child for the purpose of sexual exploitation. i think anything else would be labeled brainwashing or manipulation
grooming isn't always sexual
you can check out the definition online "grooming is when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them."
thats common definition in court of justice, not psychology however.
I think he was either infatuated with Josh, or with fame… and when neither panned out he became vengeful…
I still think Colleen is off her rocker but it’s beyond me how ill you have to be to pose false allegations on someone…aka josh. I’m sick over it.
It’s so weird seeing Love sitting there and not on a screen lmao. I’ll never adjust 😂😂😂
You know what makes me the saddest about this whole situation… imagine Johnny wasn’t like this. Imagine he wasn’t so entitled and self absorbed and thought he should be handed things. Imagine he worked hard and became successful in the entertainment industry.
When people asked how he got his start, he’d say: “when I was 16, I met one of my idols. He said he would mentor me, and help me start my UA-cam career. He liked a parody Twitter account I ran of one of his characters, and asked me to run the official one. I was so excited, and nervous, but I took the job seriously and it was very successful. I would run my ideas for my own channel by him sometimes, and occasionally I would go to his shows. He’d introduce me to others in the industry, and I did a lot of networking. I went to auditions, grew my UA-cam channel, and almost 4 years to the day we met I landed my first pilot.”
That story, the “what could have been” would have been heartwarming and Josh would’ve had an opportunity to share his success with someone else, a feeling he didn’t get to experience with his own wife. I’m sure that’s how Josh thought it would go, listening to his apologies. Naive? Maybe. Instead, because of Johnnys specific actions, more and more teens will instead say “I went to a show to see my hero and they wouldn’t even let me give them a hug.”
Yes I have said this exact thing. If Johnny wasn't an absolutely obsessed asshat, I think his relationship with Josh would have panned out just fine. Josh could have actually helped Johnny. Maybe helped him go through whatever depression or mental struggle he was going through at the time. But no, Johnny had to make Josh "ghosting" him (really just having his whole fucking life fall apart) into a personal vendetta against Josh and add sharp, grainy salt to the wound. It's actually pretty disgusting and I feel SO bad for Josh. Johnny is pretty fucking evil.
For me Johnny just wanted to jump on the bandwagon and used his expirence with Josh for clout.
We're talking about Colleen's victims... Josh was probably her biggest victim. She *actually* ruined his life and he's still rebuilding it. I never trusted Johnny. To me he was a grifter from the start.
I was a mentor with Big Brother Big Sisters. Me and my little sis were always one-on-one in public. I took her to mentor her. Being one-on-one does not equal grooming. We had boundaries and everything was always light hearted!
Josh did seem to use Johnny to do what he didn’t want to do, the Twitter which my understanding was actually a fan page of Josh’s random character. Josh did seem to hurt Johnny which it seems true
Yes and he didn’t choose Johnny specifically for that - he wanted to reach out to the parody account owner to run his and it happened to be Johnny. And why aren’t people talking more about Johnny being such a fan he made a parody account! Josh thought it was someone else and reached out to that person first
The real mystery here is how have the CIA not hired swoop as an agent yet
Swoop is The mom who knows who broke the lamp but will still asks all the kids who did it! Not a woman to try and lie to.
See to me, I don’t think Josh giving out his number to Johnny was the biggest deal. For starters, the societal standards when he did that were a lot different than they are now. Even in a year societal standards will change. But that aside, Johnny was an aspiring UA-camr and Josh thought he could be a mentor to him because he already was a UA-camr. He likely did that with the purest of intentions, ie: he’s been through it, at least to some degree, so he can help Johnny navigate the industry. But the biggest thing is this was done with Johnny’s family present. At the end of the day, when you’re a kid, your parents decide what they are and aren’t comfortable with for you (within the confines of the law). They knew their son wanted to be successful on UA-cam and they knew Josh had some success and his wife had even more success. The way Johnny continually paints it is that his parents were proud that he’d made this industry connection with Josh.
The idea that there has to be this gigantic divide in life between kids and adults not only isn’t realistic but it’s kind of ridiculous. Coaches mentor kids, teachers mentor kids, big brother/big sister programs mentor kids, aunts and uncles mentor their nieces and nephews. When grooming is painted with the ridiculously broad brush Johnny has attempted to paint it with (“uh so yeah a guy with an ego let me win a roll of duct tape and ghosted me after his life fell apart and before that, he hung out with me twice in public places, so yeah obviously he groomed the sht out of me”) it sets the dangerous and false precedent that any adult that ever speaks to any kid that isn’t their kid is trying to groom and in some way take advantage of them. Are there adults in trusted positions like coaches, teachers, etc, that do groom and take advantage of kids? Absolutely. And they’re the worst of the worst bc they know they’ve been given trust by the parents and the kid, too. But it feels like every day, we’re trying to draw these black and white lines in the sand for human behavior and the majority of human behavior is too nuanced and situational for that. I mean even the sentiment that kids and adults should never talk to each other about sex isn’t accurate. On the surface it seems like it should be, bc you think, why would adults ever need to talk to kids about sex? But then you remember that when kids get the sex talk at school, they’re told to ask the adult giving the sex talk/class questions if they have any. It’s also possible that kids will still be curious and continue asking their parents or another trusted adult questions even after the sex talk. When it comes to boundaries between kids and adults and what constitutes the crossing of them, I think a lot of this stuff is instinctual. Most people know when they’re crossing a line. Most will admit that the inappropriate behavior (even just talking) felt abnormal to the adult who did it. All I know is that the Colleen situation brought grooming behaviors into the forefront of discussions in a way that way seemed informative and forward thinking, but now, Johnny gives naysayers the easy out to say, “Look what happened with that Johnny kid. He was calling a guy that barely even talked to him a groomer. It’s just a snowflake being too sensitive again, they weren’t really groomed.”
Best comment yet, totally agree
Olivia is WRONG, AGAIN. 23:00 - SWOOP GOES OVER ALLLLLL THE DELETED MESSAGES BETWEEN JOSH AND JOHNNY. Girl - you’re slipping. If you’re not 10000% - you need to just say that
What it all comes down to is who was the one cultivating the relationship. Colleen was definitely getting involved, intentionally and purposely developing relationships with underage fans.
Between Joshua and Johnny, it was Johnny who was pushing, visiting, asking for attention, trying to get closer. It really seems like Joshua was trying to keep some distance there. He actually apologised for not letting Johnny get as close as he (Johnny) clearly wanted. That is not grooming.
The allegations definitely feel like revenge against Joshua for not getting the type of relationship he wanted.
You can groom a child or an adult & it doesn’t need to be sexual to be grooming. Here is the definition: “Grooming is a form of abuse that involves manipulating someone until they’re isolated, dependent, and more vulnerable to exploitation. “ That being said I don’t think Johnny was groomed by Josh.
Seems like Johnny likes to throw the word around when that person is no longer useful to him
0:00: 😳 Johnny accuses Joshua Evans of grooming him, while Josh apologizes and explains his own struggles.
8:55: 🔍 Johnny and Joshua's interactions are being discussed, with Johnny making public statements and Joshua apologizing publicly.
15:33: 🔍 Johnny likely manipulated his DM history with Joshua by deleting his own messages.
45:37: 🔍 Johnny believes that Joshua Evans groomed him, but he has not provided specific details.
27:42: 📱 Josh asked Johnny, a 15-year-old fan, to run a social media account for him called Sarah Ridiculous.
36:11: 🕵♀ The video discusses suspicions that Johnny lied about having access to his old messages with Josh and points out inconsistencies in the screenshots he provided.
45:44: 🔍 Johnny alleges that he was groomed by Josh, but the evidence suggests inappropriate behavior without grooming.
54:24: 🔍 The discussion revolves around the use and potential broadening of the term 'grooming' and the possibility of romantic feelings between Johnny and Joshua.
1:09:01: 😮 Joshua accuses Colleen of cheating on him in their bed with another man.
1:11:49: 😢 Olivia expresses her sadness and frustration over the divorce of Colleen Ballinger and Joshua David Evans, and speculates about Colleen's possible infidelity.
1:17:28: 📸 The speaker attended the premiere of a Netflix show with a celebrity and took a picture of their feet.
Recap by Tammy AI
I had a similar situation happen to me where I validated someone’s emotions when they expressed hurt, then it was then continuously used against me. There has to be a word for this kind of behavior other than vindictive.
Thank you for talking about this and bringing more people to this information! SWOOP is an amazing documentarian and her video is so important. She and her team investigated this for months and more people should see the fruits of their labor.
The fact that Josh gave his only interview to Swoop knowing that she ONLY reports the truth says a lot about him. He knew she would get to the truth and he had nothing to hide.
Expanding the definition of grooming takes away its power. Grooming is calculated; it involves isolation, the keeping of secrets, inappropriate intimacy. It’s like you guys said: had Johnny claimed that Josh was inappropriate, that’s pretty valid. But grooming is something specific, heinous, and calculated. This also isn’t me trying to limit who can say they were groomed or not but words have meaning and that can’t just be expanded to include inappropriate behavior on levels that were not severe or as severe as grooming.
I can FULLY see Johnny having a crush on Josh (especially in the "as IF I had a crush on Josh" BS. Lol how many of us have said that after a crush rejected us to make ourselves feel better?) And being spiteful and hurt that it wasn't reciprocated. Like ok yeah sure, Josh interacted with him, but it certainly doesn't seem nearly as nefarious as it was played up to be by Johnny. Like sure he ran a twitter for Josh's character, BUT that's after he ran a parody twitter and Josh asked someone ELSE because he thought THEY ran it. Like idk I just don't see any actual ill intent on Josh's part. Especially given how willing he was to hand over what he had in screen recording instead of screenshot but just in general his willingness. If he had something to hide, it would've shown up SOMEWHERE (especially Johnny's screenshots because HES the one making accusations so of course he'd keep anything that'd incriminate Josh) so idk I think johnnys just hurt Josh wasn't into him
He definitely talks about josh like he’s talking about an ex boyfriend, it’s obsessively weird.
Idk as someone who was groomed id never feel the need to do a tight 5 on why i definitely *dont* have a crush on that particular guy 🤷🏻♀️
I believe 100 percent Colleen cheated on Josh. She grooms kids allegedly and has done many other trashy things cheating is the least problematic thing she's done
Hope you guys do a update on this, I love Olivia’s reports! And swoops released the last part!! I’m so excited to hear you guys take!
I know some people complained about this episode.
I myself struggled to focus, because its so much and so heavy. It is quite long fir a segment.
But i have reviseted these quite a few times. I'm glad they covered it and the episode has grown on me as i was able to go at my own pace with it.
Johnny totally went "Fatal Attraction" on Joshua 😂😂😂
I would like to point out that to my understanding of Swoop's video Joshua did not make Johnny work on his parody account, he directly didn't want the account anymore so he basically gifted Johnny that account.