Neumann KH120 to Dynaudio LYD7 Part 6 - My journey, gear, debates, thoughts…etc.
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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Thank you for the video. I can’t agree with you more. I’m on the journey of upgrading my monitors, and was looking at the Neumann‘s, and it’s easy to get caught up in this gear acquisition, bullshit. I often forget my good friend who is a hip-hop producer who made LA weeklies top 20 greatest hip-hop albums of all time only uses an MPC in an untreated room with event 2020 monitors and an Apollo X8 that’s it, so I guess the point is it doesn’t matter what you own we just gotta focus on getting good at what we love to do and that is completely different, for everybody depending on the music they make. Good luck on your journey brother
Good video ----- I just received a second pair of KH120A monitors for my studio. I use these for a sub-section of my studio. My main workstation has KH310's and KH120's.KH750. I like the flat frequency response and low harmonic distortion. There is good measurement data on the KH120's at Audio Science Review. The actualy measurements show that they low mids are very flat. These monitors do not color the sound. It is not the monitors that have a problem.
You may be right, but I agree with Andris’ assessment of the KH120 mid bass balance.
Neumann has a common problem with scoop mids in mixes. They give you false sound and you think that's too much mids in mix. Then you cut them and get poor mids.
@@ДжонСнежный Quite incorrect. Look at the frequency measurements on Audio Science Review. Completely flat.
I totally agree with you. i owned the Neumann KH120 one year for music listening, and i enjoyed it. But for me - similar to your impression - the LYD 7 is much more even, much more neutral/natural. Better resolution. I feel if they are making everything simply right. The most even speaker i ever listened to. And the first speaker in my life with no weaknesses in my ears. Just sounds like it should. After adding the Dynaudio 9S subwoofer, i'm in heaven. Absolutely perfect. And besides - as i recognized your Iso Acoustic stands - according to my experience with many speakers the Iso Acoustics stands are very important, i never use a compact speaker without. Even my 9S has one, and it makes a big, big difference.
Everyone on UA-cam gets paid…except for me! Thanks for your video, but maybe if you didn’t then recommend another monitor, maybe
Sorry to disappoint bud. I don't get paid and I'm a nobody :D :D :D I just shared my experiences. Keep in mind I regularly go to places like Gearfest UK and visit friends who use £18k worth setups. Somehow I found happiness with this one. I even tried the Core series, which I didn't like.
It's a speaker fight bro, cmon ;) Nah all good, thanks for the detailed insights
People are different, but prefering the Lyd-series above the Neumann’s is really stretching it. But, you do you, and thank you for explaining your thought process even though uour conclusion is somewhat absurd.
Thanks Andris for sharing this experience, it helps a lot. Also I highly value the comment about those little boosted trebles on Neuman, because I have the same feeling. Maybe also with the Genelec 8030C, but I have to try them again, before deciding to buy a new pair. The point is I cannot test the Dynaudio Lyd-5 or Lyd-7 in "silence" unless I buy them and try in the studio, obiously. The question I would like to ask you is about the hiss noise that people talk about. Is it that strong? Is there a way to smooth it out? Or maybe I shouldn't worry about it. In any case, thanks for sharing this and excuse me if you mention this matter in another previous video.
About that hiss... I bet that is something else than the speakers, either unbalanced cables or some grounding issues, power issues or whatever. This is down to people not doing things right, not a manufacturing issue. I have LYD 48's and an 18S sub in my main studio, but I am looking for some speakers at work, just for reference and these two speakers are hot candidates. But I propably end up with another pair of Dynaudios. As I am familiar with the Dynaudios I have it is perhaps better to get a another pair of that brand.
And I can say that I stopped using room correction just a few weeks after getting the LYD48's and have not looked back. Things just translate. I only reference in my Neumann NDH30 headphones and the mixes/masters are good to go. As for the sub, going from a 3 way speaker to a 4 way system made things even clearer, as in wow, what happened here. It helps that the 18s sub was constructed with the LYD48's in mind and have some DSP doing whatever needs to be done to get things balanced. And all frequencies are clear as day from 17 - 18 hZ or however stupid low the sub goes and way past what I can hear in the tops.
@@andriskissproducer Thanks for your answer, really! These videos about your studio experience help a lot to decide what gear to get. Probably gonna be The Lyd-5 or the lyd-7, we'll see. It's strange some people write such these severe things of Dynaudio... From my beginner's point of view, it's the most balanced I've ever know for guitarists, although I continue to be prudent. Thanks for your recommendation about power conditioner station, now I'm thinking of running both monitors and my setup through a Furman AC-210.
Thanks!
@@EirikHasselberg Thanks for your detailed comment Eirik, this also helps me a lot. Great to read more experiences about Dynaudio, which I can take seriously into consideration. I don't understand why people write such severe things about Dynaudio, when this monitors are so worth it. I checked the comments in the ASR analysis (lyd-5) spoke of a bad design or whatever, and this is hard to believe because not all experiences have a loud hiss. As you say, no one cares too much about bad wiring, grounding issues, bad connections or installations.
I see that you have a long career with Dynaudio, for now I would start with Lyd-5 or lyd-7. I rule out Neuman, Adam and probably Genelec, We'll see.
@@Vegadelujan I just ordered a pair of LYD 7's for use at work. I actually found some cheap ones from a store in Denmark, I even got a 15% discount as they had been used in their show room. So lucky me! Everyone tend to defend their own purchase of speakers for whatever reason, and, most often they talk down products that they don't know. If you go to places like Audiosciencereview they just look at curves and measurements that does not say anything about how things sound, and they can definetely not tell you how it will sound in YOUR room.
As long as you do the right things (treat your room somewhat, get your speaker up on stands, or at least up from your desk, get as good a listening position as you can in your room) you can trust your Dynaudios to deliver the goods. If I were you I would perhaps take the LYD 7's over the LYD 5's if you are going to work on them, the difference in price is not that big a differense.
@@VegadelujanWhy do you rule out Neumann, Adam and probably Genelec?
Comparing 5" and 7" monitors?
Thanks for efforts.
In Canada, the LYD-7 is approx. the same price as the KH120, so the comparison is fair from a budgetary point of view.
@@baub58 Price has nothing to do with the inches of the monitors. KH 150 should be compared with LYD-7.
@@ilkerguney2612 I don’t disagree with you, 5” to 7” woofers is, at first glance, an odd comparison. But, as a practical matter, LYD-7 and KH150 are in completely different price ranges. Last time I bought monitors (or any other studio gear) I was working within a budget constraint. So the KH120 to LYD-7 comparison is a fair, real world, comparison. Plus a KH150 costs twice as much as an LYD-7 and, for reference, more than a LYD-48. Don’t you think that the KH150 is a more sophisticated design that the LYD series?
Did you try LYD48? I'm wondering how better translation and information on low mids and high bass they give vs LYD7 or maybe they're worse than LYD7 because of 2 crossover points instead of 1.
I have both, you can not go wrong with either one. I have an 18s sub with the LYD48's and that made a difference, each speaker work less and give more clarity. Could I live with just the LYD 7's and a headset to check the low end? Definetely. But luckily I don't have to choose. 🙂
@@EirikHasselberg LYD48 is similar to LYD7 or it has way more mids maybe?
@@andriskissproducer Well, I'm bang on with the bass as I can hear everything clear as day. I tended to get too bass heavy mixes earlier (being a bass player and drummer), especially before I got the LYD 48's, but now it translates well everywhere. You can really hear what is going on from 17 hZ or whatever and that makes tweaking the lows so much easier. So you can clearly hear the difference between cutting at 30 or 35 as an example, how it impacts things. Especially for the mastering that sub is pure gold. I could not get the same results with headset earlier on, not even close. The sound also got clearer, the 8" woofer suddenly had far less to do so I felt right away that things got more focused and clear in the lows and low mids. As the DSP does the job of getting things right with crossovers all I did was to program the sub with the distance from my listening position to the sub and the speakers and the sub did the rest. It was a set and forget. I even think I left the volume at the default 0. There was hardly any learning curve when the sub was added, it just got a little better. For mixing the LYD 7's is really great, but the LYD48's and the sub shine when mastering. And that is what I do the most of, so for me it was needed.
I don't think I would bother getting only the LYD 48's if I already had the LYD 7's without taking the leap and adding that 18's sub. And I don't think adding the 9S sub to the LYD 7's would be anything like it as it does not have the DSP-thing that fix things and only one speaker where as the 18's fire sound in two directions. And I think that really makes a difference.
@@huberttorzewski I would say it is a tiny bit more accurate in the lower regions, but the difference is not all that big for every day use. Spreading the workload on 3 speakers instead of two does make a small difference. The 8" on the LYD 48 only have to deal with 490hZ and down so of course it has some small advantages. But the LYD 7's does a really great over all job as well, especially if you don't use the -10 bass extension and only let it handle the stuff from 55 hZ and up instead of 45 hZ. One will always GAS for the stuff we don't own, but LYD7's will keep you covered! So if you don't have the cash to add an 18's sub with the LYD 48's I would rather stick to the LYD7's and get a pair of Neumann NDH30 headphones or something (that I can not recomment enough!). That is my two cents, others might feel different on this.
@@andriskissproducer And thank you for this excellent series! I am glad that I landed on yet another pair of Dynaudios, and who knows, I now have 4 speakers that work well together if needed so I only need a few more for an atmos setup. :)