Making Heracles one of the weaker heroes feels like some sort of insult to ancient Greece lmao. Bro literally made Cerberus his puppy and is now getting one shotted by a couple of Minotaurs.
I think Aquiles should be moved to a new Greek major god in the future for the same reason. It could happen with Heracles too, but it would be strange to be taken away from Zeus lol
@@rishisaaptacha Achilles certainly gained worshipful following, but as a hero and not a god. He has god-like feats for sure, but that’s more a case of his extraordinary talent for punching above his weight. His parentage just isn’t anywhere near as prestigious as Heracles’.
They did gave some special passives to campaign heroes stuff like. Reginleif buffing nearby valkyrie, hersir and godi, Also Reginleif had and still has the strongest healing rate in the game, she can even out heal most damage during fights, Brook giving bonus armor value to all nearby units, Eitri giving bonus attack to all nearby units, also with norse rework Brook and Eitri can build houses now. Not much but it's something I suppose, Ajax gains extra divine damage alongside it's hack damage in some levels of campaign. edit for atlanteans: Citizen heroes also get benefits from armory upgrades and normal units still retain their line upgrades now (medium, heavy etc) which was not the case in the original. Young kastor not even getting a mention did gave me chuckle btw.
@@horakhty2217 Can't wait to find out if he is gonna be equally as bad when I do Retold deathless... Would be really fun if he feels worse, it would make my life so miserable, but at least the video would be more fun
a cool thing about arkantos is that besides buffing the regular attacks of units, it also applies for special abilities, ajax normal gore attack does 300 dmg, but with arkanto's special it does 600, make him able to one shot colossi or pretty much any myth unit.
It also stacks with Einherjars ability lol. Legit had a mission where I cheesed Arkantos and Einherjar ability with Jotun's special attack to one shot buildings lol.
Brokk and Eitri actually has passive ability. Brokk got armor smith (increase armor aura) and Eitri have weapon smith (increase damage aura). You can see it by hovering to the small icon right of his portrait, so they are actually a beast if combined and teamed up with arkantos and army
Dude ur so right about Aquiles, i never liked how he is basically just a stronger version of a regular cav unit, the guy that came from one of the most important pieces of greek mythology should be a damn terminator, or better give him super high defence to everything but projectiles, that would be myth accurate.
Isis Monuments get double favor when empowered. If worship Osiris then have your Son of Osiris (Age 4) empower moments for favor income will more than double and will generate to enough favor to get another Son of Osiris when its off cool down, then put him on monument as well and so on. Also worship Anubis (Age 2) for 25% favor generation. You can have 3 Son of Osiris within 10mins of hitting Age 4.
One thing has to be said about Gullinbursti, though, the further away he is from the village center, the slower and weaker he becomes, so I think it's balanced with him. In addition, all four versions are different in strength, by that I mean in terms of hack attack and hit points. The four, as well as the first two, also have different lifespans.
I find Norse heroes more useful than the others, Reginleif can heal and she heals super fast, Brokk and Eitri can also gather resources, King Folstag can freeze the Titans, Hersirs can be massed and are useful to overwhelm myth units, generate favor and gather relics faster than any other civ.
Sound logic hahaha I can understand why the Norse campaign heroes are the most powerful tho - you get them last and you play the least time with them so it would make sense that the heroes keep getting stronger and stronger as you progress the game.
Ironically, Skult has an attack animation in both the original and retold, but unfortunately it was not used. Folstag Folstag Bearer also has an attack animation in the original, which is also not used. And I would make Folstag Folstag Bearer a little higher, because he is very good at exploring and he is fast when running. He also has good hack and pierce armor.
Maybe it's better that Skult doesn't use his attack because I imagine his attack animation being something pretty lame like the Agamemnon's attack animation which is just boxing people in front of him hahahah
It's a shame the Greek heroes are so underdeveloped. I mean it's borderline criminal on how weak Heracles is when he could have been a decent demigod hero with a strong knockback or ground smash ability so he could live up to his olympian level of strength. But I guess you aren't supposed to outshine the main character.
I played all of the Titans campaign with pretty much destroyers only. It does feel like they were nerfed a little, but I dunno. I think a destroyer + fanatic + cheirobalista army would be super tough! You could have added the Guardian (statue) - definitely S-tier worthy. Don't remember if you added him in the myth unit tier-list or not Skult being in that tier is absolutely brilliant. Totally unexpected! Sad to hear this is the last tier list (for now), but I got my fill of tier lists (for now) I'd love the review! Also looking forward to the deathless run
Turns out the Guardian is neither hero not myth unit so I didn't put him on either list, but let's be honest, he is an S tier no matter where I add him hahahah
The way they pronounce Kamos now is the correct Greek pronunciation. Same thing with Colossi being the plural of Colossus. We were just used to bad transcriptions
12:48: That's what he was called in the German version. And I'm quite sure that's how it's pronounced. They just corrected the awful (American) English pronounciation.
Thx for the answer. It would not be an AoM challenge, I did say I was going to wait a few patches untill I do a deathless run for Retold. I was thinking about doing a WarCraft 3 challenge run, would have done it after the review regardless tho...
I think heisir is in the wrong position. I beated the entire norse campaign with heisir only on titan difficulty as they are so OP they can obliterate the entire game
Did anyone notice brokk and Eitri have insane passiv aura buffs vor your human infantries? Brokk increasing armor and Eitri slash and bludgeoning dmg. They deserve better than C ..
Make brook and etiri at either a or s, get 5 of them via cheat and you basically have every armor at 100% from brook and insane damage boost from etiri, like you would have an unkilable superpowered army.
There are some heroes missing (the Fire King, the Regent, both versions of Servant of Kronos, Ajax and Arkantos as boars, Kastor (with staff), Krios, Polaris, Ornlu, Arkantos (god) and Athena). Yes, both versions of Servant of Kronos were mentioned because both are semi-heroes, just like Osiris. Why Osiris? He has the heroic birth and "(hero)" in his name, but is not generally listed as a hero, hence semi-hero. Sad that Osiris was demoted from a hero to a semi-hero in Retold. And about Krios. Unlike his "Theocrat version", Krios can be revived, but other than that there is no difference between the two.^^ I would also separate the two versions of Ajax, Odysseus and Cheiron, the campaign version and the Greek version, because they are assessed somewhat differently. At least you can tell that from the original. I can't really judge it in Retold because I haven't played it much yet. I mentioned Arkantos (God) because he is also an extra version, even though he is on par with Arkantos (Blessed).
There are definitely a couple of heroes I missed like Polaris and the boars which haven't crossed my mind at all hahahah But generally most of the other heroes aren't playable in the campaign at all, only in custom scenarios so I didn't really want to put them in. But I do appreciate you mentioning them, there are a lot more of them than I thought there would be :D
Hi. do you khow anything about editor section of this game? I want to make melee units like Jason a scp unit which makes him immortal like Arkantos or Amanra than don't completely die. Can you help me with that?
If there was a way to play him at least like I did with Theocrat on a level by using that cheat I would have talked about him as well... But there wasn't. And he can't even be spawned using a cheat so there's that. But he would have been a firm S tier together with the other gods and demigods there.
@@AmonsChallenges Right, suppose that makes sense, since Osiris is playable, just with cheats and Arkantos isn't With that in mind, are you planning on making (or have you made?) a video on cheat units? Like the laser bears and the flying hippo?
reginleif potential comes from healing Id say, she has decent dps but everytime you send her with a group of heroes she focuses on healing and keeping them alive, which is something she didnt do in og version, I think this makes her even stronger cause she is the unit that heals the most I think.
@@Zack21111994 Yeah, I used to put her with all the heroes on one group, then make a second group with berserkers and valkyries and nobody would ever die, it was crazy good
@@zerohour980 I guess it makes sense that we have a healer in the group since Chiron is the Archer here (however briefly we can have both characters in a level)
He used cheats in the entire video, it's not hard to imagine he must have used the "pandoras box" one to get random god powers till he got the one he wanted.
@@AmonsChallenges Makes sense. There were more heroes than those one though. You could have showed those ones in the map editor. For example, there is this one in the atlantean campaign freeing the titans. You almost never see him during the campaign but he actually has an attack and ability (at least he did in the original. I haven't checked if this changed in Retold). tl;dr : the map editor would've been useful to make sure you don't forget any hero and to be able to use the ones that cannot be in the campaigns.
I know this game is intentionally inaccurate, but i never get the greek hero groups. Bellerophontes was actually a grandson of Posseidon and in the game he's in the Zeus pool. Perseus was actually son of Zeus and he is in the Hades pool. Why? Harecles is ok in the game, but he should be the strongest one. I mean Heracles should have giant hack and some divine dmg. His 1.2 attack speed is ok but should have more hp and multiplier to myth units. Achilles should have regen and giant armor of all types and not so big flat hack dmg but good dps with about 0.75 attack speed but less multiplier to myth units. He is also in the Hades pool but he should in the Zeus pool due to his companions the myrmidons who were summoned by Zeus and in the beggining Achilles was favoured by Zeus. If there is no chance to Zeus pool then Posseidon pool. His mother Thetis was a nymph and sea godess at least she relates to Posseidon in some way. Back to Heracles without doubt he is the greatest heros of all time, actually the times of heroes ended with him. And you said only Gods allowed to S tier. Heracles was a demigod and became god. He was the only heros who entered the Olympos and became immortal. Yes he became a god and he was worshiped in Asia minor mainly. Man Heracles beated Ares and bondaged him into a keg! He actually can beat in HtH the injustify god of war! In strength he is in the same level as the Titan Atlas! Of course in an RPG he would have weaknesses like 3 intelligence:D But to be fair all the greatest myth heroes had 65 IQ like Thor and Samson.
@@AmonsChallenges yes remember Loki was not only god of mischief, magic and trickery but of fire as well (now it is tought that he might be god of house fire from what i know) and he has to save the day in many myths. Also he was interpreted as Satan or Jesus by christian clergy in past wich is funny
I'd say you are right about Ajax and Regenleif, but Kastor's ability got nerfed in Retold and I can't in good consciousness give him a higer tier than B hahahaha
I just didn't like going for settlements to get favor, I'm not really an expansionist personality type hahaha And they do kind force you to be one to gain favor... And I guess they picked up on that since this way you get to place Oracles instead of settlements
Reginleif B ? yes ok she not have ult but range most dmg from all or so i see it when i updatet all , hp is nice, or better said she needs a bit of a buf then i am on it to say she is A
@@AmonsChallenges well, like character who we can play in the main story, i guess no. But, in the old version, in the part where you made a map, you can play with her. She can not do anything, doesn't have powers but she's inmortal.
Originally circe was extremely (god tier) strong, her attacks dealing like 1k or about that pr. hit, and it worked like Son of Osiris, where it would chain to nearby targets. Though her attack cd was longer than Son of Osiris'. But it seems like they re-did that. (Like there is one video on youtube where she goes head to head with Son of Osiris and beats him)
Did not know this about the original Circe tbh But to be fair, I do use bolt on her every time she appears so she doesn't even have time to show me her damage hahahah
You don't read the units stats, do you? Clearly the Hero Destroyer is very strong at attacking, even stronger that some heroes you put in C-Tier; doing 11.4 dps, times NINE on myths units, and times SIX on buildings Oo Plus that obvious 86% piercing armor you actually mentioned , it's a beast ! Some units also have divin damage too, it's pure damage which fully go through armors. Priests have that, and I love it !
What is the point of this tier list, if you rank all the heroes only by their combat stats, not considering how hard it is to get them, how many of them you can get, in what age they are available or their uses outside of combat etc? Kind of useless to me.
To be fair, most of the list are either campaign heroes who are playable straight away at the beginning of every level or unplayable heroes who you don't have access to so that needs to be kept in mind. Also, I guess people know which age they can get heroes like Theseus and Polyphemus so I didn't feel there was really a need to talk about that here...
Making Heracles one of the weaker heroes feels like some sort of insult to ancient Greece lmao. Bro literally made Cerberus his puppy and is now getting one shotted by a couple of Minotaurs.
I think Aquiles should be moved to a new Greek major god in the future for the same reason. It could happen with Heracles too, but it would be strange to be taken away from Zeus lol
@@Robertata1 Id argue for Heracles to become a minor god since thats myth accurate. Achilles im not sure. Did he also become a god after death?
I feel like they should have made heracles as strong as polymethos or bel
@@rishisaaptacha Achilles certainly gained worshipful following, but as a hero and not a god. He has god-like feats for sure, but that’s more a case of his extraordinary talent for punching above his weight. His parentage just isn’t anywhere near as prestigious as Heracles’.
@@welshlout3400 I see. Thats what I remember reading about in his myths and the romantic sub plot.
Brokk and eitri are the best heroes because they are not afraid to get their hands dirty….more power to the workers
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@@AmonsChallengeshonestly on Brokk and Eitri they have another passive that boosts armor or attack on nearby soldiers so thats pretty good as well
@@RomGe336 Not only are they great workers, they also help other workers be better :D
They did gave some special passives to campaign heroes stuff like.
Reginleif buffing nearby valkyrie, hersir and godi,
Also Reginleif had and still has the strongest healing rate in the game, she can even out heal most damage during fights,
Brook giving bonus armor value to all nearby units,
Eitri giving bonus attack to all nearby units, also with norse rework Brook and Eitri can build houses now. Not much but it's something I suppose,
Ajax gains extra divine damage alongside it's hack damage in some levels of campaign.
edit for atlanteans: Citizen heroes also get benefits from armory upgrades and normal units still retain their line upgrades now (medium, heavy etc) which was not the case in the original.
Young kastor not even getting a mention did gave me chuckle btw.
I am a very heavy young Kastor hater hahaha
Ever since the dream level in the deathless Egyptian campaign, I hate him with all my heart lmao
That checks out for sure. He is one thing and one thing only... liability
@@horakhty2217 Can't wait to find out if he is gonna be equally as bad when I do Retold deathless... Would be really fun if he feels worse, it would make my life so miserable, but at least the video would be more fun
Setna can also empower buildings now.
I miss Castor's sword yeet
Those were the good old days lmao
a cool thing about arkantos is that besides buffing the regular attacks of units, it also applies for special abilities, ajax normal gore attack does 300 dmg, but with arkanto's special it does 600, make him able to one shot colossi or pretty much any myth unit.
It also stacks with Einherjars ability lol. Legit had a mission where I cheesed Arkantos and Einherjar ability with Jotun's special attack to one shot buildings lol.
That is so cool :D
Gotta try that one out
Brokk and Eitri actually has passive ability. Brokk got armor smith (increase armor aura) and Eitri have weapon smith (increase damage aura). You can see it by hovering to the small icon right of his portrait, so they are actually a beast if combined and teamed up with arkantos and army
Oh yeah, didn't even notice that tbh... Would have put them in B tier then I guess
Was about to write that, thank you.
They are great to buff your army up (y)
they clearly deserve Tier B+
So sad to hear this is the last tier list but so excited about the campaing review!! Hope you do it!! Have a great day!
Thx man, really appreciate it!
You missed Polaris the polar bear hero from the 1st mission of brock and Eitris journey. They are with Folstag in the corner past the red town.
Yup, I sure did! I didn't even know about him lmao
Would have given him an A tier tho, guy has freaking 2k HP hahaha
hes missing onru too, the dog hero, hes in a norse mission
Dude ur so right about Aquiles, i never liked how he is basically just a stronger version of a regular cav unit, the guy that came from one of the most important pieces of greek mythology should be a damn terminator, or better give him super high defence to everything but projectiles, that would be myth accurate.
This video is both hilarious and informative. :D
Glad to be of service!
The blessing building around monuments thing is actually a Ra passive.
Oh... Still would have put him in B tier tho, really can't have a priest and a pharaoh in the same tier xD
Isis Monuments get double favor when empowered. If worship Osiris then have your Son of Osiris (Age 4) empower moments for favor income will more than double and will generate to enough favor to get another Son of Osiris when its off cool down, then put him on monument as well and so on. Also worship Anubis (Age 2) for 25% favor generation. You can have 3 Son of Osiris within 10mins of hitting Age 4.
That sounds really cool... And really broken
Definitely gonna try it out sometime. Thx!
One thing has to be said about Gullinbursti, though, the further away he is from the village center, the slower and weaker he becomes, so I think it's balanced with him. In addition, all four versions are different in strength, by that I mean in terms of hack attack and hit points. The four, as well as the first two, also have different lifespans.
I find Norse heroes more useful than the others, Reginleif can heal and she heals super fast, Brokk and Eitri can also gather resources, King Folstag can freeze the Titans, Hersirs can be massed and are useful to overwhelm myth units, generate favor and gather relics faster than any other civ.
Sound logic hahaha
I can understand why the Norse campaign heroes are the most powerful tho - you get them last and you play the least time with them so it would make sense that the heroes keep getting stronger and stronger as you progress the game.
I finally realized that the reason why the non-campaign greek heroes are so strong compared to the other heroes is because they are all demigods...
hmmm you might be right hahaha
@@AmonsChallenges I was mind blown once I realized it xD
The Son of Osiris is my favorite unit in the game.
Whenever I have to decide between Osiris or another god, it's always a no-brainer for me.
Same tbh, he is far superior to every other god power this game offers...
Ironically, Skult has an attack animation in both the original and retold, but unfortunately it was not used. Folstag Folstag Bearer also has an attack animation in the original, which is also not used. And I would make Folstag Folstag Bearer a little higher, because he is very good at exploring and he is fast when running. He also has good hack and pierce armor.
Maybe it's better that Skult doesn't use his attack because I imagine his attack animation being something pretty lame like the Agamemnon's attack animation which is just boxing people in front of him hahahah
I really enjoy your videos bro 👍
Thx man, appreciate it!
It's a shame the Greek heroes are so underdeveloped. I mean it's borderline criminal on how weak Heracles is when he could have been a decent demigod hero with a strong knockback or ground smash ability so he could live up to his olympian level of strength. But I guess you aren't supposed to outshine the main character.
He doesn't need to outshine them, but they could have at least made him a bit better...
Brokk and Eitri both have a really, really strong ability, that being they buff the attack/armour of your nearby units. Which is quite strong.
Yeah, unfortunately I failed to notice that when I was testing them, if I did I definitely would have put them higher...
What about Athena ? I’m curious of her ability
Kemsyt gets upgrades from both heroes and infantry as he is treated in original game, so with all infantry upgrades he gets quite powerful.
Point taken
But he felt so bad to play unupgraded oh my god hahah
I think Achilles deserves to be a little higher. You get him early and his horse can get him around the map fast enough to scoop up a bunch of relics
True enough, but I really wouldn't put him in a tier with somebody like Gargarensis tbh
New sub here. I like what i see here👏
Thanks a lot! Have you maybe watched some of my challenge videos? If so, do you enjoy my tier lists more or my challenge runs?
I haven't watched all of your challenge videos yet but my preference goes to the tier list videos. Your editing and commentary is very good and funny.
@@RoamFreePascal Thx man, appreciate the feedback!
I played all of the Titans campaign with pretty much destroyers only. It does feel like they were nerfed a little, but I dunno. I think a destroyer + fanatic + cheirobalista army would be super tough!
You could have added the Guardian (statue) - definitely S-tier worthy. Don't remember if you added him in the myth unit tier-list or not
Skult being in that tier is absolutely brilliant. Totally unexpected!
Sad to hear this is the last tier list (for now), but I got my fill of tier lists (for now)
I'd love the review! Also looking forward to the deathless run
Turns out the Guardian is neither hero not myth unit so I didn't put him on either list, but let's be honest, he is an S tier no matter where I add him hahahah
great video!
Thanks man
The way they pronounce Kamos now is the correct Greek pronunciation. Same thing with Colossi being the plural of Colossus. We were just used to bad transcriptions
It sounds so unnatural, man... I'm trying but I really can't hahahah
12:48: That's what he was called in the German version. And I'm quite sure that's how it's pronounced. They just corrected the awful (American) English pronounciation.
A review would be cool! I think I'd like to see a challenge run more though!
Thx for the answer. It would not be an AoM challenge, I did say I was going to wait a few patches untill I do a deathless run for Retold. I was thinking about doing a WarCraft 3 challenge run, would have done it after the review regardless tho...
I think heisir is in the wrong position. I beated the entire norse campaign with heisir only on titan difficulty as they are so OP they can obliterate the entire game
I mean fair point, but as a singular unit they really aren't stronger than a Jason or something like that
Our favorite Valkyrie hero as well as priests and godi got absolutely screwed in this
Did anyone notice brokk and Eitri have insane passiv aura buffs vor your human infantries? Brokk increasing armor and Eitri slash and bludgeoning dmg. They deserve better than C ..
Agreed, I definitely should have taken that into consideration
Make brook and etiri at either a or s, get 5 of them via cheat and you basically have every armor at 100% from brook and insane damage boost from etiri, like you would have an unkilable superpowered army.
Wow never realized those buffs were that strong...
The notion of having 100% of every armor sounds like a lot of fun hahahah
There are some heroes missing (the Fire King, the Regent, both versions of Servant of Kronos, Ajax and Arkantos as boars, Kastor (with staff), Krios, Polaris, Ornlu, Arkantos (god) and Athena). Yes, both versions of Servant of Kronos were mentioned because both are semi-heroes, just like Osiris. Why Osiris? He has the heroic birth and "(hero)" in his name, but is not generally listed as a hero, hence semi-hero. Sad that Osiris was demoted from a hero to a semi-hero in Retold. And about Krios. Unlike his "Theocrat version", Krios can be revived, but other than that there is no difference between the two.^^ I would also separate the two versions of Ajax, Odysseus and Cheiron, the campaign version and the Greek version, because they are assessed somewhat differently. At least you can tell that from the original. I can't really judge it in Retold because I haven't played it much yet. I mentioned Arkantos (God) because he is also an extra version, even though he is on par with Arkantos (Blessed).
There are definitely a couple of heroes I missed like Polaris and the boars which haven't crossed my mind at all hahahah
But generally most of the other heroes aren't playable in the campaign at all, only in custom scenarios so I didn't really want to put them in. But I do appreciate you mentioning them, there are a lot more of them than I thought there would be :D
Do you remember the Polaris ? His a BEAR HERO
Yeah, definitely an oversight on my part. But he would definitely be a high tier, he has lika a gazillion health hahaha
Hi. do you khow anything about editor section of this game? I want to make melee units like Jason a scp unit which makes him immortal like Arkantos or Amanra than don't completely die. Can you help me with that?
Sorry man, I have never tried using the editor in this game :(
What about god Arkantos? He only appears in cinematics and the editor I believe, but since Osiris was there, might as well
If there was a way to play him at least like I did with Theocrat on a level by using that cheat I would have talked about him as well... But there wasn't. And he can't even be spawned using a cheat so there's that. But he would have been a firm S tier together with the other gods and demigods there.
@@AmonsChallenges Right, suppose that makes sense, since Osiris is playable, just with cheats and Arkantos isn't
With that in mind, are you planning on making (or have you made?) a video on cheat units? Like the laser bears and the flying hippo?
@@ScurvyBoi Way ahead of you bro hahahaha
You can find it here: ua-cam.com/video/wC_mpfun5C0/v-deo.html
@@AmonsChallenges Ah, well look at that, I'll go watch it
@@ScurvyBoi Gotta say, I had much more fun making that one than the heroes one. Cheats are just so whacky and all over the place :D
Should have made a God Tier so Supreme could be heroes like Arkantos and Gargar
Sad that you can’t literally play all the heroes in some aspect in just regular gameplay only campaigns
Yeah, would be really fun to have them around hahaha
Kastor was my fav hero in the original but not now, I think son of osiris is my fav hero.
Absolutely same, Son of Osiris is insane now
Heracles is not the strongest? Then this video game is not worth playing. 😢
At least he got B. The Egyptian priest got absolutely demolished through the back door.
reginleif potential comes from healing Id say, she has decent dps but everytime you send her with a group of heroes she focuses on healing and keeping them alive, which is something she didnt do in og version, I think this makes her even stronger cause she is the unit that heals the most I think.
Her healing is extremely potent. In my experience, unless every enemy unit is target firing you unit , she can out heal the damage.
@@Zack21111994 Yeah, I used to put her with all the heroes on one group, then make a second group with berserkers and valkyries and nobody would ever die, it was crazy good
I should have checked her healing then. Didn't think it was this powerful tho
@@AmonsChallenges Yeah her healing compared to OG changed a lot, I remember her being more dps but in this version she tends to heal more than attack
@@zerohour980 I guess it makes sense that we have a healer in the group since Chiron is the Archer here (however briefly we can have both characters in a level)
Putting hers hersirs so low is criminal
Putting literal gods in the “not god” tier
15:38 Is that the 27th campaign mission? How were you able to use the new norse gods in that campaign?
He used cheats in the entire video, it's not hard to imagine he must have used the "pandoras box" one to get random god powers till he got the one he wanted.
Yeah, I used cheats. I didn't want every video to be a skirmish map or sth, this makes it more interesting, at least in my opinion.
@@AmonsChallenges Makes sense. There were more heroes than those one though. You could have showed those ones in the map editor. For example, there is this one in the atlantean campaign freeing the titans. You almost never see him during the campaign but he actually has an attack and ability (at least he did in the original. I haven't checked if this changed in Retold).
tl;dr : the map editor would've been useful to make sure you don't forget any hero and to be able to use the ones that cannot be in the campaigns.
@@PauLucario Yeah, using the map editor would have been a good idea tbh
Noted for next time tho!
I know this game is intentionally inaccurate, but i never get the greek hero groups. Bellerophontes was actually a grandson of Posseidon and in the game he's in the Zeus pool. Perseus was actually son of Zeus and he is in the Hades pool. Why?
Harecles is ok in the game, but he should be the strongest one. I mean Heracles should have giant hack and some divine dmg. His 1.2 attack speed is ok but should have more hp and multiplier to myth units.
Achilles should have regen and giant armor of all types and not so big flat hack dmg but good dps with about 0.75 attack speed but less multiplier to myth units. He is also in the Hades pool but he should in the Zeus pool due to his companions the myrmidons who were summoned by Zeus and in the beggining Achilles was favoured by Zeus. If there is no chance to Zeus pool then Posseidon pool. His mother Thetis was a nymph and sea godess at least she relates to Posseidon in some way.
Back to Heracles without doubt he is the greatest heros of all time, actually the times of heroes ended with him. And you said only Gods allowed to S tier. Heracles was a demigod and became god. He was the only heros who entered the Olympos and became immortal. Yes he became a god and he was worshiped in Asia minor mainly. Man Heracles beated Ares and bondaged him into a keg! He actually can beat in HtH the injustify god of war! In strength he is in the same level as the Titan Atlas!
Of course in an RPG he would have weaknesses like 3 intelligence:D But to be fair all the greatest myth heroes had 65 IQ like Thor and Samson.
100% agree with you
Also yeah, only Gods and demigods are in S tier, but Heracles can barely kill a colossus on his own so there's that hahaha
Now i think i will listen to Loki God of Fire by Manowar
Cool song btw
Very Loki appropriate hahaha
@@AmonsChallenges yes remember Loki was not only god of mischief, magic and trickery but of fire as well (now it is tought that he might be god of house fire from what i know) and he has to save the day in many myths. Also he was interpreted as Satan or Jesus by christian clergy in past wich is funny
Ajax should be in A tier also avlkerie and kastor
I'd say you are right about Ajax and Regenleif, but Kastor's ability got nerfed in Retold and I can't in good consciousness give him a higer tier than B hahahaha
dude you are so friendly i want to be your friend
let's see the review!
Where do you find Athena in the campaign?
If Arkantos is Naruto,
we all know who is Boruto
We sure do hahahah
Why was the old favor system bad?
I just didn't like going for settlements to get favor, I'm not really an expansionist personality type hahaha
And they do kind force you to be one to gain favor... And I guess they picked up on that since this way you get to place Oracles instead of settlements
Valkyrie is definitely on Belrofornt level
Reginleif B ? yes ok she not have ult but range most dmg from all or so i see it when i updatet all , hp is nice, or better said she needs a bit of a buf then i am on it to say she is A
Agreed, her heal is insane and solely for that reason I should have put her in A, but I didn't know her heal got a huge buff in Retold
@@AmonsChallenges oh yes heal is good now this for sure but the dmg vs some mythic units its a bit low with this dmg and not have a ult for characters
And atena?? Is not she in the game?
Is she tho? Which level is she supposed to be on?
@@AmonsChallenges well, like character who we can play in the main story, i guess no. But, in the old version, in the part where you made a map, you can play with her. She can not do anything, doesn't have powers but she's inmortal.
@@rouranr.9676 Oh, ok
Noted
Makes sense that she is immoral tho hahaha
Originally circe was extremely (god tier) strong, her attacks dealing like 1k or about that pr. hit, and it worked like Son of Osiris, where it would chain to nearby targets. Though her attack cd was longer than Son of Osiris'. But it seems like they re-did that. (Like there is one video on youtube where she goes head to head with Son of Osiris and beats him)
Did not know this about the original Circe tbh
But to be fair, I do use bolt on her every time she appears so she doesn't even have time to show me her damage hahahah
Theris is just stronger version of Amanra
Pretty sure he does less damage than her... At least it feels like that
Ragnarok hero is stonger version of hersir
No Asian factions.. Unacceptable for a big game :) Do they really want to sell it in Asia ?
They said the Chinese faction is gonna get included in one of them coming DLC-s... So I guess they are playing the long game with that one hahah
@@AmonsChallenges .. I see, but How about Japanese ? They are also very good with legendary gods in Manga.. and Indian, Aztec also.
@@coolboysg Not sure they are playing that much of a long game hahahah
@@AmonsChallenges should have some Asian civs if they want to have more money :)
You don't read the units stats, do you?
Clearly the Hero Destroyer is very strong at attacking, even stronger that some heroes you put in C-Tier; doing 11.4 dps, times NINE on myths units, and times SIX on buildings Oo
Plus that obvious 86% piercing armor you actually mentioned , it's a beast !
Some units also have divin damage too, it's pure damage which fully go through armors. Priests have that, and I love it !
Campaign Ayax can one shot most units with this shield bash. He is definitely A tier!
Yeah, he is up there, I think I said he came pretty close to A tier.
Cerci is stronger than son of Osiris
Pretty sure she has a whole less HP than him plus she doesn't do chain lightnign so there's that. I do like her a lot tho
Muy mal todo, empezando que incluye algunos dioses y titanes 🤦🏻♂️
Why are you lumping in campaign heroes? Literally no one cares about heroes that are used a few times and never seen again
Oh cmon, it's fun to rate them as well... They all have really cool abilities
Polifemo boss
What is the point of this tier list, if you rank all the heroes only by their combat stats, not considering how hard it is to get them, how many of them you can get, in what age they are available or their uses outside of combat etc? Kind of useless to me.
To be fair, most of the list are either campaign heroes who are playable straight away at the beginning of every level or unplayable heroes who you don't have access to so that needs to be kept in mind. Also, I guess people know which age they can get heroes like Theseus and Polyphemus so I didn't feel there was really a need to talk about that here...