Kodak's NEW Super 8 Camera | What is HAPPENING?
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- In 2016 Kodak announced an exciting new product: A brand new Super 8 Film Camera! In the years since then there have been a variety of updates, missed launches, price points, and interviews, but where is the camera? I'm diving into what's going on with this long awaited camera and why maybe it isn't such an easy project for Kodak.
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Just to avoid some confusion I've seen around this topic, Kodak was never going to offer Super 8 film with FREE developing at their labs. They had talked about a service that allowed you to buy film with prepaid developing, but that means still paying for developing. The original quote is bellow and refers to a service/website they were planning called The DarkRoom (which has received no update since 2018):
"The Darkroom will enable customers to purchase film and processing. Kodak will provide the address to ship the cartridge. The lab will process the film, scan the film, upload the scans into the Darkroom and notify the customer that the scans are available to begin using. This lets filmmakers access their imagery before receiving the physical film back"
It just got announced as coming out......but at five and a half grand.....USD!! 😂😂😂😂😂. Who the hell is going to buy it at that price??
Kodak’s Super 8 camera is the Half-Life 3 of film cameras.
Yeah but like half life 3 it will come
@MaxAndThings that would be something I would like to see. Being able to record sound on super 8 without all the rigamaroll that comes with editing in sound
C'mon Valve and Kodak, the world is waiting to shoot widescreen super 8 gameplay footage of half life 3.
@@DreadPirateRoberts121 no it won’t lol.
Fuji should just come out with a camera and have prepaid reversal and negative film at $45, including postage.
They'd clean up...
They really could clean up perfectly here if they went back into it.
1 totally agree, $400 would have been reasonable for what it does but $2000-$3000 is absolutely ridiculous!
I was wondering about this too. What would a $400 camera now, have cost in 1965? I found an inflation calculator: www.usinflationcalculator.com and it told me $50. I think that was about 1/2 a months rent in a lot of the country! I don't how many $50 super 8 cameras were available in 1965. If there were they would have been the most basic ones. In a web search I found that maybe the bottom of the line basic supermatic was $30. If that's correct it was probably the M2. Fixed focus no zoom super8wiki.com/index.php/Kodak_M_2_Instamatic . Would you pay $300 today for a fixed focus non zoom super8? This is probably why Lomo has never made one.
@@StevenBradford labour costs in 1965 or even 1980 have nothing to do with Today. Neither has total production and sells of film cameras so there is no point in comparing prices then and now.
@@mikishootsonfilm No but it does point out that Super 8 was actually a lot more expensive to buy and use 40 to 50 years ago then people here assume. A roll of film to develop and process might have been 3 to 4 times minimum wage for example. And today... it's about 3 to 4 times minimum wage depending on regions etc. This is why first home video cameras and then digital cams caused most people to abandon it. I don't know why so many people assume that Kodak, or anyone else ( Pro8, Lomo, et c etc.) could somehow make it much cameras and film much cheaper today with no large consumer demand to bring costs down and spread out the design and and manufacturing start up costs. This is probably why Lomo hasn't done it, other than that horrible 35mm camera viewer thing they sold for almost a hundred dollars a few years ago.
set up to fail !
This camera will never hit the production phase as it is still in prototyping with the numerous changes to the design Kodak is making.
They also stated multiple times that they will process and digitize any Super8 that you buy from Kodak. Which would honestly be awesome... If they did that for 16mm that would be something to resurect film in my opinion.
I came across that as well and they were referring to it as Kodak Darkroom. They were going to open a lab in New York I believe and offer processing and scanning services but that also seems to have not fully happened the way they were talking about it. A new Kodak lab did open in New York a couple years ago and they do process 16mm, but they do not do Super 8.
@@AnalogResurgence Do they do it for free if the roll is bought directly from them as they promised with the Super 8? I suppose not. But if its the case, i love them... :D
They do process 16mm, in Atlanta, at the Kodak lab. They do it every day for Walking Dead.
Wait they do it for free?
@@kebab_boi No, they charge per foot. Please call for the current rate.
I remember a cartridge of Ektachrome 160 with processing for about 15 bucks I think. 1978.
WITH processing and postage both ways? I can't be too far off...
Rain Zhao about 60$
Back in like 2006 Walmart still processed super 8 film for around 8 bucks, granted they were just sending it to Fuji but it was still cheap.
It's nerve racking that in a few years span, everything film related just crumbled and now we don't have much left. The abandon of film and its resurgence almost overlapped, it would've been so nice.
A Super 8 vs. Super 16 cost breakdown per minute shot (inc. camera purchase) would be great to see.
I heard it's about the same cost (super8 & 16mm). I just feel like entering 16mm might be more complicated. Finding a camera. It's bulky-ness. Changing film..etc. it's the next level..
eladbari I jumped over to 16mm and there’s definitely more hurdles involved. They can be conquered but it’s deflating when your first roll gets wasted bc loading error. Ouch!
I work for a company that sells various types of cinema gear. At NAB 2018, I tried getting any info about this camera from them that I could, but nobody knew anything. I got contact info from a number of their higher-ups and tried getting a demo unit to test some of our gear with. I tried for weeks just to get in touch with a single person regarding anything to do with this camera. Nothing. I gave up and looked it up about 6 months ago out of curiosity only to find that there had been ZERO updates. I'd say this project is as good as doomed.
So interesting to see Kodak is so committed to being a nostalgic company that they've committed to making vaporware products
Hahahahahaha..... So true
I've been waiting for this camera for ages...
I would love to see Canon take a crack at this too, cause they made great Super 8 cameras too.
Wow I totally forgot that this existed until I saw this video's thumbnail. Thanks for the video, this was a pretty good timeline of the product
It's now 2022, no more news about the camera has been forthcoming though the website is still up. But, if it's released now, expect the price to be more like $4000 and upwards. It's the way things work. Honestly, I doubt Kodak has their heart in it. It was just some crazy idea they had and it's fizzled out.
I feel like I'm in an alternate universe where a young Canadian Nick Cave is obsessed with analog cameras - and I'm cool with that, keep it up!
I’m gonna continue sticking with digital for video considering the insane price per minute of any film stock. I do like shooting film sometimes for photography though. Something about a fully manual camera we can just never get back.
THAT was the REEL dope. Thanks for the concise effort to reveal...THE DEAL.
As a kid in the 1960s, I bought my first movie camera (used regular 8mm, $8), then onto Super 8 (used $15), and became an amateur film maker. For Super 8, $3.50 for film and processing at the right store. I would never want to go back to those good old days. We can do SO MUCH MORE with digital technology, including messing up the image to simulate reg/Super 8 film.
You forgot to mention the week's wait for processing. - Loved your video. I plan on checking out your other ones. Five Stars!
I'd like to see a new affordable 16mm camera (probably wishful thinking). Want to pick up a Krasnogorsk (or Bolex but the prices are rising rather quickly for those) along with a 16mm projector perhaps.
I couldn't agree more. How difficult would it be to take the body of a canon rebel or similar and screw it onto the eyepiece of a bolex and then port the autofocus and aperture data back up to an ef lens adapter on the front? You could definitely see a merge between digital and analog, sort of a digicanical upgrade for the millions of older and beloved film cameras. I'd buy the shit out of that!!!
Tim Soderstrom I’m selling a Krasnogorsk 3 on eBay if you’d like to take a look at it. It’s 350 and the camera is in perfect condition.
I still have my Bell & Howell super 8 camera which still works perfectly.
My Eumig projector works well too.
It was always expensive to shoot Super 8 films but I am glad I did.
Family films that are gems beyond price.
Great video with so much information.
I love when you post new stuff
They should honestly try and resurrect older super 8 cameras, like the Instamatic. It was, and buy old ones, are cheap, and work well enough (excusing the battery compartment).
Timothy Stephens refurbished cameras are definitely the way to go
Crystal Sync is the best part actually.
Still thou, no pressure plate for a steady image and also no optical viewfinder that doesn't suck your battery empty… It all sounds nice but it is NOT 2500$ nice....
Great video. I just subscribed.
I used to shoot a lot of Super 8 back in the 70’s and 80’s as you can probably tell by my name here.
I think Kodak needs to concentrate on making a Super 8/8mm film scanner similar to what Wolverine currently makes so people can scan their old movies and bring them into the digital world.
Years ago I saw that someone was developing a Super 8 sized cartridge that could be put into an old Super 8 camera to capture video. I know currently there is a digital back that can fit on old 35mm SLR cameras to take digital photos. I believe it’s called “I’m Back.”
There are a lot of old cameras and great lenses that can still be used in the digital world if a company like Kodak would just modify them instead of throwing them on the scrap heap.
Pointless for still cameras, since mirrorless cameras came.
The $2500 price is insane. For the same price, one could buy a top-quality 16mm camera, which gives a much better image for about the same price per minute. Super-8 has its own charm, of course, and I agree that this would be attractive at a $400 price. It's a missed opportunity...too bad.
Yes, you could buy a 20 year old 16mm camera for that price but not a new one. At the end, new ones were almost double that. Yes old stuff is cheaper than new stuff, especially technical mechanical stuff. From Cars to stereo systems to cameras.
Shout out to anyone watching this in 2022 like me and hear Noah saying "It's currently the summer of 2019" and are thinking, "Oh my god, I promise by December there will be something much more stressful to think about than this camera..."
I knew about the camera getting developed, but I didn't know the massive delays that it seems to have suffered through. I hope they manage to get it out.
Personally, unless my B&H double 8mm camera fails, I won't buy it, because of the prize monslty. And even if it fails, I would rather upgrade to a 16mm one.
Great video explaining it all! Keep up the good work.
Its June 2022. I guess that it really was just vapour ware. Well done Kodak 👏👏👏👏
I used to get my 8mm and super 8 cameras at second hand and antique shops for cheap. Probably can't find much now for a good price. ($20-$50) and still works.
Interesting review man thank you
awesome update!!!
Bravo for this video. Lots of information which Kodak hasn't been giving out. Great Channel!
They gave you all that information. They were just far and between, so he's just pretty much giving us a summary of what Kodak has said since 2016 so far.
I remember in 1985 you could shoot and process a roll of Super 8 for about $25 bucks. And then the transfer to video (I used to have mine done at the late, great Underground Camera in Boston, which had the best telecine around. They could make Super 8 look like 16mm) was cheap as hell as well. I have directed 26 features, all on HD, but I would love to shoot another one on Super 8... but it's just too damn expensive.
Thanks for explaining some of this shit. I was really confused about it's release.
Was wondering whats up with the camera. Very well done, thanks.
Grate video and cool channel.
Keep it up!
Thanks! I learned so much from this video. Hopefully Kodak will figure out a way to release the camera for a price that most people can afford. I would definitely spend $400 on the camera.
While we’re waiting for Kodak, I wish someone would take a classic design and RE-ISSUE IT!!...A brand new Nizo 801 Macro, or Nizo Professional, ...I would buy it!
I'd be all up for a Bauer C Royal design. That was the most beautiful Super8 camera of all time!
Luckily my current 2 cameras have been chugging along rock solid for 10yrs. Have my own scanner, every new film is a jewel, hope it keeps going with or without the new camera
The engineers that have the knowledge about super 8 cameras are mostly still alive. Why not get a group of them to advise the project? Kodak doesn't appear to have a phone...
They have to build an analog phone with an lcd screen first
i would love the opportunity to use a decent super8 camera i’ve been through too many vintage ones with the lubricant gunking up the gears, and motor problems, etc
Honestly in my opinion, by now its really easy to buy old either broken or cheap super8 cams and learn how to service them. If you have the time and patience to do it, id suggest to do it.
eMDee i agree it’s totally worth it i guess i’ve just been frustrated by the ones i have worked on but also found the process to be really interesting and will do it again
Have you looked into the Beaulieu 4008 Super 8. Go to www.pro8mm.com and check out there cameras. They also have really awesome footage. The music video by DRAKE-in my feelings, was shot using that camera.
@@dcchavez97 im in the market for one so i will definitely check it out, thanks
Kodak has it back to front - they should develop a digital movie camera dedicated to generating a film look. It should have all the movie-specific features built in - shutter angle, depth of field, frame rate,16:9 aspect ratio and the compression method too! Everything that will give a movie-style image.
I think super 8 has a limited future if any, It has few benefits with how much it’s costs now, It’s 30 USD for a 50ft roll of 50D super 8 and 45 USD for a 50D 100ft roll of 16mm,the price increase is not to bad if you take into account that 16mm is almost four times the quality of Super 8, it has less frame jitter double exposures and higher magazine capacity, Also you can’t get positive prints made from super 8 besides andek lab, There are more intermediates film stocks for 16mm you can still get sound prints made and you are more likely to find a theater or film festival that can project it on film, It might sound like i hate super 8 but in all honesty with the new ektachrome film stock I have been having a lot of fun with it, I think Kodak needs to try making it cheaper, If it were instead 20 USD far more film makers would give it a try.
16mm is always the better choice nowdays. Especially when you put the price into consideration. Super8 was fun years ago to start with shooting film when it was actually considerably cheaper than 16mm and less risky for beginners. But now… nope.
My film buddy found a nice Canon Super 8 that can roll at 24fps and the images are stellar. Really almost as good as my 16mm.
I work in lithographic printing and our computer workflow is Kodak. Apparently the graphics arts (printing plates, chemicals, workflow (software/ hardware) and photographic/ cinema film departments were the only to survive the bankruptcy.
I hope they survive with film.
They are a company that would be awful if lost.
With the much higher prices of new digital camera these days Film is not so expensive..
@@zakofrx How many years will 35mm films last, 10 years?
The problem with Kodak and Fuji is that they where set up to (literally) produce all pictures of the world. They have innerited incredibly large factories that are incredibly expensive to maintain. If they decide to scale down their machines, then film can be sustained for a long as there is demand. Fuji appears not to be interested in this, and Kodak... well, it's Kodak.
I clicked on this video because, from the title, I hoped you'd have an answer! ;)
I do think Kodak should persevere with this, but they went the wrong route. A simple, affordable new Super 8 camera that just works and hasn't had forty years of wear and tear would have been good enough for most people. Especially when you consider how expensive it is to modify an old Super 8 camera for synchronized sound. Then they could bring out a more expensive version with a video monitor - and, ideally, a large EVF. The biggest thing to focus on was setting up the infrastructure for buying, developing and scanning film cartridges in a package, and making that process much less expensive than it is now. If they wanted to innovate, they could have come up with a cartridge that holds twice as much film and a new camera to use it in (that's also compatible with existing cartridges) without having to resort to the big, goofy-looking high capacity cartridges that stuck out the top of some models years ago.
Another possibility - Fuji actually make more money from their instant film cameras than they do from their digital ones. Couldn't someone convince them to bring out an up to date Single 8 camera?!
Single 8 was their popular line at Fuji, and it was sad when they discontinued it.
An idea for a video in the future should be:
-how to load 16mm film in 110 cartridges
8:25 “agayn”
Love it bro😂
Can we get a 2021 update?
Thanks for the update, I hope this doesn't wither away and die because I still want one. For no other reason than it's cool, For me that's enough.
Thanks
2021, "Still in development" according to Kodak.
Got some good news for you about this camera. Spoke with a rep from Kodak at B&H's BILD expo today, and she told me the project actually isn't dead! They had some issues bringing the product to market, made worse by the pandemic, but she said they are still actively pursuing its release. I told her there were many people excited about the product, she said she was too - fingers crossed it gets released soon!
That disc camera you have off to the side has been teasing me the whole time. I completely disregarded your video you had done a while back on them when it comes to the fact that you said you shouldn't shoot it. Well, i got one and it didn't work so now I have another on the way! I can't wait for it to come in the mail just for it to probably not even work.
It is February of 2022 and still no updates,they better have to release it by now
It would be really cool if Kodak did something similar to Impossible Project/Polaroid Originals, like restoring old vintage Kodak super 8 cameras and selling those along with the film. I'd definitely pay a few hundred dollars to buy a refurbished camera that I knew would be working for a good long time after I bought it.
They already tried the Polaroid thing, and they all but got their asses sued off for it.
this camera is FINALLY up for sale by Kodak themselves but it's $5500 for an entire kit
They should make a version that records on film AND convert it directly on a sd card.
that would be RED levels of expensive lol
I think it does
Okay, so its not just me. I thought that I got too busy with life and forgot all about this thing. So sad that Kodak can't just get it together and release this damn thing already.
Super 8 is FREAKING expensive for 2.5 minutes of video. BUT, with an 11 dollar STANDARD 8mm camera, you can but 1 roll of film for 18 dollars (B&W, though) and have it developed for 25 dollars. Standard 8: 43 dollars. Super 8: 80 dollars.
Get a 16mm used camera. It will blow away any regular 8 or super 8 camera.
When announced, I had wondered if single-frame would be an option for it but it didn't seem to be there at all so I wrote off the camera as useless if you wanted to do animation with this model.
Not sure if you mention this in another video, but part of this oversized project was opening new labs that were Super 8/cinema specific.
I also think I read at some point that purchasing the camera gives you a subsricption to the lab where you would either get discounts or IDK...
They had planned an entire developing and online infrastructure surrounding this push for Super 8 called the Kodak Dakroom! The web portal would allow for them to send you your film and you would access your order through it. A new lab was opened by Kodak within the last few years in New York but without the ability to handle Super 8. None of this was ever really talked about again after them mentioning it in 2016.
It's amazing how many experienced small run manufacturing (for both electronics and mechanical) experts are here, who know so much about the challenges of making something that hasn't been made in 30 years, and has new features that none of the cameras had 35 years ago.
Plus, adjusted for inflation, guess what a new high end Nikon or Canon or Beaulieu would cost today. The same as this Kodak is projected to be.
And by the way, GREAT video!
It'd be kind of funny if another company like Canon swooped in and released their own awesome new Super 8 camera before Kodak did.
I’d say Fujifilm, but they’d only do it if they could cancel another film format.
Crazy how much super-8 camera have shot up in price. I brought a canon 310xl for £29 around 3 years ago and i looked on ebay the other as my friend and i were talking about super 8 and i couldn't believe that they're now selling for £200!
I think Kodak is slacking during this Analog Resurgence... heh... They could do a lot of exciting stuff but they dont, i think if they tried to push much more than they do right now, they would be back in business in a decade.
They could have made some cheap cameras to compete with Lomo.
eMDee I don’t think it’s necessarily that they have been slacking, I think it’s more that they pushed themselves WAY too hard while giving themselves way too short of a time to figure it out. Had they honestly not done a LCD screen and instead had a reflex viewfinder, ditched onboard sound (but kept crystal sync, because most likely professionals have separate sound recorders anyways), even made a version without interchangeable lenses... it would have been cheaper and easier to make. And I’d be willing to pay $400 for that, a new Super 8 camera with crystal sync, a rechargeable battery, and the knowledge that since it’s new it probably won’t crap out anytime soon.
It would be so cool if we had a 16mm and 35mm camera from Arri and Panavision that had these digital features. Imagine a 16mm camera with cleaner digital monitor capabilities with a light meter so you can get a better idea of what you’re shooting. With a built in digital sound sync via SD card or other digital storage media. That would be awesome!
Too expensive for everyone, for only 2.5 minutes of footage ! A failed project in a big way.
Kodak should sell that film and that camera for a much lower price then a lot more people would be interested and their sales would be higher , but I don't really know about economics or anything like that !
Didn't they used to sell cameras at a loss amyway to boost film sales anyway? Pretty sure that the film sales was where the money was anyway. Not sure if that would work now but there would be a better chance of attracting newcomers to the format
@@anthonystrong3783 At least for the time being 100% of the Super8 film market would be theirs, given that noone manufactures Super8 films in cartridges. (Kahl does manufacture 8mm wide S8 film but they aren't in cartridges.)
It's only on the "Double" market (Std8 and DS8) that they'd have competition (Foma & Kahl)
Ratimir Knežević who owns the kodak name? Investors and investors will... Extract maximum value for the shareholders and management?
Film could not have continued the way it was. Digital came around just in time. The world was running out of silver nitrate for film stock.
I spent almost 100€ for 3 1/3 Minutes of Film (i shot at 18 fps since I planned on playing it back on a proper projector)
60€ for Color Reversal Film and roughly 30€ for Development.
Not to mention that it was a pain to get here in Germany.
So many Shipping Costs...
I wish Film was Cheaper. Look at how cheap and available 35mm Photo Rolls are!
Why can’t we buy some Super 8 Film for like 15€ instead of half a fortune.
August 2020, still not here. I'm sure there's a large indie and analog enthusiast crowd would love to get one, but the price point of thousands of dollars is going to really stop a large portion of people pursuing it. At least the project is at least officially alive, so that it can still go forward and possibly change direction.
With Kodak going (oddly enough) into the pharma care industry, they might get a boost in their overall revenue and that shot in the arm into the company as a whole and the project might get done quicker.
they just need to produce a scanner alongside this that will allow people to complete the whole process on their own. home development and scanning. preferable make it scan other types of film too. right now (as a beginner) I have undeveloped film and am hesitant to buy the developing kit because scanning seems like such a pain and time consuming but maybe I'm uninformed. I would be really interested in just the scanner and then the super 8 camera down the line
It is/was based on the Logmar S-8 camera, which was meant as the ultimate Super 8 camera ever.
The whole thing isn’t as stupid as it sounds.
There is still a surprisingly large underground scene shooting Super 8.
Surfers and skaters insist on the stuff for example. Many art projects are shot on it too. They are worried about the future of their hardware though.
Kodak also really, really need and want motion picture film to have a future and get a much bigger resurgence than now. For every roll of stills some random dude shoots, a hundred times that runs through a movie camera.
Super 8 traditionally was the gateway drug to larger formats. And, it has a quite unique look and aesthetic of its own.
Take a look around for high resolution scans and get surprised.
Super 8 warrants at least a 4K scan to get it looking it’s best.
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Kodak would still really, really be clever to also and perhaps only, release a way cutdown version with only the main features like film pressure plate and syncing to sound remaining.
Cutting out all the crap that a casual toe dipping user couldn’t care a rats arse about.
I own a Canon 814 AF super 8 since the 80s, in my opinion is good for students who love cinema, is a great tool for beginners, you can even make animation with it doing basic skills. What Kodak is trying to do today is complicate in this digital times, and using the old school with new school is good idea but for marketing is very hard. Expensive hobby for little joy, isn’t worth it. A super 8 films today is too expensive, back in the days it was half of the price of today, it should low cost then maybe it would go well, more demand could come. Kodak was great because it fit the American way for family memories but it was their low cost strategy,it was their strength.
Oh man when will this come out !!!!!!
It’s a damn shame that companies face these kinds of difficulties on what looks like amazing products
Hey dude, great update on the long awaited Kodak super camera. Strange question but the super 8 footage you show of the giraffe suspended in the air, I was recently at a wedding in England at the same place, just wondered if you were there yourself... too weird. Haha. Cheers
That’s actually footage that was shot with the camera and shown off so not my stuff actually!
Analog Resurgence thanks for getting back to me dude, just curious.. it was a huge Manor House in oxford England with yeah a giraffe suspended from the ceiling... crazy. Keep up the work btw 😀
Is 2021 and Kodak super 8 camera is still not there 🎥🎬
Ah well. Even if this camera never comes back, or it does come back at an unattainable price, this fanfare and hype was all worth it just to see the return of Ektachrome.
Seriously, I think part of the impetus for Kodak bringing E100 back was to have a projectable colour medium for the return of Super 8 cameras. All the excitement was enough for me to find a used cheap Canon 1014 and shoot a roll of E100 one short snip at a time! Regardless of what happens to this new cam, I'll be happy.
Oh, and maybe its not the end of the world if the new cam is three grand. Me being an amateur, I am okay with taking my chances on forty year old cameras. Maybe a roll comes back blank, and itll be a bummer, but it wont bankrupt me or get me fired. But a pro filming a skate/indie/music film? Someone that needs a new, reliable, wide-format camera? Even if they cant afford to buy it, renting a new Super 8 cam for a week is a better option than trusting one nearly half a century old.
Excellent video as always!
Just got the email today from Kodak to reserve a spot to finally buy one! I can't believe it's finally happening!
Per the email: Beginning December 4, 2023, Kodak will partner exclusively with trusted photo equipment retailer, B&H Photo Video, to offer limited quantities of the KODAK Super 8 Camera in the U.S.
To be eligible to purchase the camera, you must sign up on Kodak's NEW reservation list by November 28, 2023, opting in to communications from third-party retailers authorized by Kodak. By completing the new reservation form by the deadline, you will maintain your position from the previous list.
i haven't heard any discussion of a registration pin. Logmar in Denmark manufactured a Super 8 camera several years ago with a registration pin. If Kodak skimps on that, might as well stick with 16mm.
That's true! The Logmar is definitely legendary when it comes to talking about super 8, I want to do something on it in the future. I dream of owning one someday...difficult to track down because so few were made though
I don’t want a modern remake I want a reboot, although it has some useful features the originals didn’t have, which we have to appreciate
Do you think that Kodak will ever bring back the 16mm 50' film cartridges for cameras like the Bell and Howell?
Unfortunately I don't think that it's much of a priority of them so I would be surprised if they did
If you’re aiming at the amateur market why build a scaled down 35mm professional camera ? Multiple film speeds, multiple aspect ratio, video take off, on camera monitor, interchange lenses we didn’t have any of that in the 70s and 80s. Build a nice reliable rock solid film drive mechanism point a non interchangeable zoom lens at it auto light metering , put that in a light tight box, have an optical viewfinder. One control the trigger. Done. Or go cheeper Have a fixed focal length lens and non reflex viewfinder. If there are people who want to use super 8 surly they want to replicate the experience, what Kodak is trying to do is build a digital super 8 camera which would only satisfy those film professionals who want the super 8 look in their movie but want to keep the modern workflow.
Buy a Beaulieu super8 camera still working amazing, built like a tank
I'm old enough to remember "Regular" 8 mm film. If I remember correctly, it was 50 ft. of 16 mm film on two reels (no cartridge). You had to load it in darkness or near-darkness, run 25 ft., find another dark place and flop it over for the rest (the images were side-by-side and they were split and combined to make a complete 8 mm film). End result - two to three minutes of silent film. I love the film look, and if it works best for the pros, I'm all for it, but for us average Joes, digital is absolutely the way to go. If you want the film look you can simulate it pretty well with filters. Sometimes I feel that if people have only two to three minutes of media they put more effort into their shooting, and I do miss the physical/chemical allure of film, but the advantages of digital far outweigh film. Thanks for the memories, though!
Yep you are right. I started shooting super 8 from 1968 when I bought my first camera. And continued shooting Super 8 until about 1982. When digital video shooting started to become a possibility. Even back then shooting on film always seemed expensive. Especially now as I had a mortgage to pay and young family to feed. I was able to buy my first Panasonic full size VHS video camera back in 1990 and never looked back since. I now have Canon pro 4K video camera that certainly produces broadcast quality images and video industy format 4K files. I still have most of my super 8 gear that still works. But honestly apart from the nostalgia novelty sadly I would not go back
I'm shooting a motorcycle review in a few weeks. I'm doing all of the still photography on 35mm and after watching a couple of your videos on super 8 would love to shoot at least some of the footage on super 8 as it's a 60's style bike (Royal Enfield Interceptor 650). Cameras are readily available..... Then I saw the cost of film and processing... Yah.. Not for this video, but definitely in the future at some point.
So frustrating that it’s taking so long! I just hope it sees the light of day. As to the cost of processing I’m with you. I process 16mm at home and I really hope that the kinograph film scanner takes off. Imagine only having to pay the cost of the film only, you could shoot a roll of film every week, and get a 4K file without having to leave your house.
Thanks again @analogresurgence for making all the news I’ve seen on this in a year!
any update about this camera?
No, Kodak has offered no update in several years now.
And here I was waiting if they'd launch a new Super 16mm camera. But they didn't even launch the Super 8. What a shame.
Do you know the Logmar S8 super 8 camera. Its new too.
I want analog camera with digital assistance - it would be so freaking great to have fun of shooting 35mm without worrying about bad exposure. I think Kodak have some great ideas but they don't know how to sell them :(
They should combine the camera with an automatic black room machine that processes the film for you, and a mini projector for playing it back ....And sell it for half the price to hipsters.
If it was 1K cheaper and you could record without film onto SD cards i would've bought in a heartbeat
Then shoo and go buy yourself a cellphone!
Are there ANY updates to this? At all? Can we contact the company?
PPP repair is living proof that it can be done if there is a will along with Camera Rescue. Although they are for sill image. It can happen.
Maybe Kodak simply isn't the right company to make this camera happen. Their main forte was never cameras anyway, even in their good days. They should have outsourced this camera project and then licensed their brand. Kodak's main focus should be on preventing film stock and processing costs from pricing the format entirely out of reach, which is a challenging enough task in this day and age when green policy makes a chemically based process difficult to execute.
Where was this film digitized? Am not satisfied with my results so far or the digital copy looked terrible. Best regards from Berlin
IMHO the biggest hindrance is that 50ft cartridge...they have the 200ft cartridge in their design archive so why aren't they looking at that? ..if a professional wants to use it he traditionally had ten minutes of film to play with..if an amateur wants to use it (and has a camera phone) he is not going to tolerate having a suitcase full of 50ft cartridges he might loose.
Kodak should make new 35mm film camera instead, it’s the easiest way to enjoy the Kodak film without breaking the bank, and possibly invite more customers to the analog world.