I am a Brazilian journalism student and we study the Eloá case in ethics classes at the university to this day. It is literally used as an example of what not to do in the profession
the fact that it was 2008 and the brazilian media still don't know what not to do is ridiculous to me. this is basic common sense. no wonder the country is just so unpolished.
Asking a 15 year old to return to a scene where she was a hostage only to be easily taken hostage again might be the craziest part of this whole story and that’s saying a lot. Who’s the genius that thought that was a good idea
It was a stupid decision. But we cannot blame them FULLY because the officers were also fighting against the media at the time. It seems like the news reporters were being the "neutral" side in this case by "reporting" whatever they could about Eloa's hostage situation. But if you look at it closely, it was a one-sided battle between the police and killer + media. Eloa's family and her friend's family should sue not just the officers who made those rash decisions, but also the news reporters who got themselves involved without any permission and the lack of critical understanding of the situation at that time, which leads to the eventual death of one of the hostage and a serious injury on the other, also a traumatizing experience for the other guy taken hostage but was released. The media was the trigger to Eloa's death. RIP to an innocent lady.
@@DarchrowTheEnigmathe police should have been working along side with the media, told them to spread false information through tv and in exchange maybe the police would allow the media to follow the case fully, like when there would be a "violent" approach the media could record it to spice the news and in doing so, spike up their viewers who enjoy "violence" or something like that
The fact they aired the cops plans, fully knowing he was listening and would hear it is beyond fucking disgusting and dangerous. Each of those reporters should have been charged as culprits, they practically helped him.
@@osvaldojunior8641 I remember that, was it the raid after the murder of Tim Lopes right? The news showing the cops going up to the favela and then showing the gangs running from the other side looked like a comedy sketch rather than a serious police procedure.
Imagine being a hostage, thinking you're gonna die, getting free by some miracle, then being guilted into joining negotiations and putting your own life on the line alone, only to be kidnapped and held hostage all over again unsure if you'll survive a second time. Disgusting. Disgusting all around
And shot through hand and in face , and watch your friend you went back to help get murdered right in front of you, and still have to be a media spectacle afterwards
i feel like the media played a big role in the inaction of the police. their plans kept getting televised and they couldnt really do much cause lindemberg wouldve been one step ahead
people smiling and waving at the camera, treating this girl fighting for her life as a spectacle is so sickening. RIP Eloa you deserved so much better and I hope everyone who failed her are haunted for the rest of their lives
You have to understand the time and culture... It was in a low education "district", almost all of them jumping were naive little kids who didn't understood the seriousness of the situation nor have seen reporters around. It was by ignorance, not coldness
I'm so angry at everyone involved for failing to protect Eloa. Now she will only remain a memory, a girl who was groomed and ultimately killed by her abuser.
yeah 😞 tbh not a fan of the choice of wording used in the segment about the two's "relationship". she was just a little girl and he was taking advantage of her
Another Brazilian here. I was 19 when that happened, and it was everywhere. I remember trying to avoid all media because of how disturbing everything was being handled. Brazil is a flawed country. We tend to ignore problems until they become crises, and then we're unprepared to deal with them. We see it every day-in TV shows, movies, conversations, at work, school... the lack of responsibility is everywhere. People often think, "It will never happen here," and push things off until it's too late. Over and over, we see disasters on TV: a museum catching fire because the wiring was old and neglected, a dam collapsing and flooding a city due to lack of maintenance, buildings falling apart because someone thought it was cheaper to use beach sand instead of proper materials. The saddest part is that people here tend to forget. In less than a year, no one remembers these things. I'm seeing a few Brazilians in this video. Do you remember the events I mentioned? More importantly, do you think anything has changed since then? The media won't change. The police won't change. Only you can change.
@@armorpro573 I honestly have no idea. There are 215 million people in Brazil, like 15 million just in São Paulo. It’s not like I cross paths with that place every day, or ever, to be fair. And rest assured, the media won’t talk about this again except to “remember the tragedy of 10 years ago” on its anniversary. But my comment wasn’t about the apartment itself or the situation in this video. People need to change the way they think and deal with problems overall. I truly believe my country can prosper, but not with the mindset we have now.
I was 7 when that happened, so I don't remember much about it But in recent years, the Museu da língua portuguesa catching on fire, the floods in Rio Grande do Sul and even where I live, Rondônia that has been literally on FIRE for months now, and very few news outside of the north region actually are actually saying something about it Brazilians have the unfortunate mentally of "this is fine" and only acts when we're already past the breaking point
Nothing has changed... I am from a São Paulo countryside City and right now I'm faceing problems to fucking breath because are forest fires ashes covering not only here but 60% of the country and this is not a New topic around here, it is only getting worse year after year. I love Brazil but I'm also very sad on how natural this kind of thing is for most part of our People.
I am Brazilian myself, and seeing Eloá in a foreign channel is a mix of two emotions - "I am glad people overseas are talking about it because my own media took a blind eye once it all ended and to this day refuses to go over just how inhumane she was treated, this cannot be ever forgotten" and "I wish I could forget this actually happened". It's beyond dystopian, that word doesn't even touch the dread I feel when I think back to Eloá. This is gonna be hard to watch, but thank you for bringing her up.
Sorry I’m advance for how this might be phrased, but in the states, Brazil is occasionally framed as having a somewhat disorganized response to crime. I know two people who moved here from Brazil, who don’t know each other, and both have cited that their families moved because of the crime and danger of their living situations. But, as someone who currently lives there, would you say this is an outlier situation? As in this case with Eloá is not reflective of the overall police response? Or would you say that it represents the overall state of policing? I only ask because I feel media portrays all foreign countries unfairly, for example, when Europeans think coming to the US means you’ll get shot.
Maybe we could be in a better situation if USA didn't organize coup d'etats in Brazil and in the rest of Americas, treating us like shit with yours "big stick".
I don't think it's an outlier. I'm Brazilian as well. Things are crazy here. Lol police incompetence is worldwide but I feel like latin America takes the cake
@@Apopcyp I'd say it's somewhat common. News reports can be very sensationalist (Record TV and Band TV are two examples), police response can take a while and sometimes they might not help at all. I lived in Sao Paulo as well and my house has been robbed 3 times, we never managed to recover anything from any of those robberies (not to mention all the times my family members were robbed on the streets). There's too much crime for too little cops, if you live in the slums in Rio de Janeiro the reality is as bad as the media says, if not worse.
@@Tanner404yeah, I completely agree with you but if the press didn’t leak police information the negotiators probably wouldn’t have resorted to that. It’s still absolutely fucked up what the police and negotiators did, though.
Never heard of this case before, but this reminds me of similar hostage situations and press fckups in Germany/Europe, where journalists blocked (and still block) the police or first responders to create a worse outcome on purpose, more than once. European journalists are known for this aggressive behaviour, especially when they work for a megaconglomerate and want to climb up their corporate money ladder. It's sad that it also affects other parts of the world. I myself see freedom of press as a double edged sword. Commercial sensationalism only creates chaos and destruction, but proper investigative journalism can resolve chaos. But It's mostly the sensationalism that happens, more and more panic clickbait, politically biased media, half thruths etc. creating disturbances withing society. The press media loves to add fuel to the fire. They do this on purpose, because more chaos equals to more bad stuff happening, resulting more panic sensationalism, rinse and repeat. Especially European news media is so disconnected from reality, as if they journalists live in parallel clown dimension, they even developed their own set of buzzwords and neologism, even their own political ideologies nobody else uses to confuse people lol. I'm very critical about commercial press media and do not trust them at all. My family is from the eastern bloc and my in-laws in far east Siberia, where press media was/is restricted, so i know both systems. Both have their pro's and con's. Sometimes press restrictions can prevent chaos from happening.
it's such a perfect example that it's a case study in universities here in Brazil. Sadly a innocent girl had to die to just some people understand that the press should not interfere in police operations. Descanse em paz Eloá 💔
Everyone knew that except the morons reporting or rather feeding him information about what the cops were planning. They knew what they were doing and didn't care as long as it got them the ratings .
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‼️Something similar happened in Romania in Caracal 2 girls were kidnapped by a gross old man after they hitch-hiking from school to home. One girl found a phone in the basement and call the police. When the police arrived, they couldn't enter the house because they did not have a warrant to search and enter the house. They stayed 7 hours in front of the house until they received the warrant. In this time, the girls were killed and dismembered. One of the girls was buried and what remained of her body has not been discovered even now. The killer never said where he hid her. The second girl was found in a barrel. It was the most horrific case that happened in Romania in the last years.‼️
omg no! so sorry you had to been through this horrible case my latin brothers and sisters, we're so fkin unlucky. lets hope the future holds something better for us kind regards from brazil ❤🇧🇷
god i remember that case. my friend is romanian (well, moldovan, but half-romanian and has family in romania) and heard the news and told me about it. it was horrifying
Everyone in this case let Eloá down. The media treated her situation as a show, and constantly ruined the police's plans. The negotiator's incompetence actually gave him *back* a hostage. And the justice system only gave the scum who killed her a mere 30 years. Truly sickening. Rest in Peace, Eloá... You deserved *so* much better than what happened...
This is a problem with the Brazilian justice system here in general. Why do you think crime is such a problem here? Because, at most, you'll get some 30 years in jail, as it's the maximum legal sentence. Until we have a system that guarantees you'll lose your life over ANY crime, even more for shit like this, crime WILL be a massive problem here.
I was searching if the idiots that had the "brilliant" idea of that interview did face consecuenses for what they did,and there was nothing,and now i read they are still on tv? They should face some,at least to NOT APPEAR in television,but they are still working???
I would cut the police a little slack due to how much the non stop media coverage and meddling really undercut a lot of what they were trying to do but overall yes the police and media failed in this situation and it ended up costing a young person her life
the fact that sonia said she has no regrets and would “do it all over again” is insane. how were these news stations charged with some sort obstruction of justice.
Eloá was a child. She trused the adults around her to save her and every single one of them failed her. The worst part is the lack of remorse for their actions. How can so many suffer from a lack of empathy, compassion and a conscience. Abolsutely sickening.
Corporations and their stooges doing anything they can to boost numbers regardless of how it affects the people around them, yet the second you do anything more then peacefully protest they arrest you, it’s fucked
no one is talking about how that man was a literal pedophile. even the news framed their relationship as romantic instead of abusive. she was TWELVE when they started dating. they were not lovers or in a relationship, she was a victim. this entire story is sickening
@@ThePatynightIt may be common to happen, but its not *normal*, and i live in brazil to say that. It does happen often, but yet a problem and disgusting. Young girls should date young boys if they want to date someone, and that's yes normal now. Cannot say it's not common to have creepy +18 man after kids who are still at school, but do not talk about it like it's something acceptable.
@@ThePatynight it’s not a HUGE difference if you are both adults, but 12 and 19??? Someone who isn’t even a teenager yet, and someone out of school who can get a job?
Just a reminder, Nick: in Brazil, when we say "everything will end up in pizza", that means that the case will end up without a clear conclusion/punishment, benefiting someone involved. I'm glad the see the channel talking about that tragedy that still a scar in Brazil's Television History.
@@meanpersona4686I mean... It's not far fetched if you see it with a logical bias: here, as with everywhere else if you really think about it, pizza is often used as a social occasion or celebration that warrants this meal, so it's a sarcastic, kind of, saying here in Brazil!
Im glad to see that he covers cases that havent been covered a million times in english before. This was very exciting to watch and Im so sorry to all of brazil for having to be a witness. Also what a wierd saying :) but thank you for clearing it up
reporters and reporting as a profession is incredibly important to society and keeping people in power in check, despite massive (and unjournalistic tbh) failures like this
One of the biggest shames in brazilian tv history. The way the media and the police handled this case was beyond fucked up and it costed a young girl her life.
the police for any country just sucks They’re all incompetent douchebags that think they’re above their own laws. This is just one of many examples of them contributing to innocent people’s deaths
@@videogamefanaticlordkh7526nah the police were fucking stupid too, why the fuck would they reveal their plans to the press, and hand back the other girl so freely They were just as incompetent and unprofessional as the media
The police were actually fairly competent getting half of them out without much issue it was only after the press got involved that everything went wrong
First time I ever heard of a hostage being freed and then recaptured. The incompetence and idiocy of the police was mind boggling and the actions of the journalists was reprehensible. And to top everything off, the little sh@t gets a light sentence.
There was a hostage case in America that was similar it was a school shooting turned seige the police told him he hadn't killed anyone he got a hold of the TV and the news leaked the death of one person he shot. If I recall he was ready to surrender till that came out he also sent hostages out to collect and return food they came back but if I remember he did threaten to kill all of them if one left that made them feel like they would be responsible so they would return.
There's an "influencer police officer/deputy" here who arrived late to a kidnapping incident. When he arrived, everything had already been resolved, but as he had not filmed it, he returned the hostage to captivity along with the kidnapped one, and then staged the capture
As a braziliam that saw everything happening live, sonia abrao continuing working at television is just madness. She is a terrible person that had done the unthinkable for just some audience points, since she always worked at low tier channels.
I totally agree... Not only her, but many journalist at that time are still working on brazilian TV and should be fired for good. That was savage and inhumane.
I'm curious as a brazilian(you), do you find the country is really really stupid for this? because this is literally unfathomable in america. I just hope the people of brazil aren't as dumb as the reporters n police..cuz thats insane level of BAD. I didn't know these types of pros could handle such a thing in the worst, dumbest manner possible. Hope brazilians knew how dumb this was and not the way
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I am just floored by how almost every single person involved with this situation couldn’t have handled it any worse than they did. The news anchors, the reporters, the police, the negotiators, and even all the random bystanders who were there at the scene only to get a few seconds on TV to smile and wave, as if children weren’t being held by a deranged man in the building they were standing outside of. What the hell were these people thinking? It’s just fucking disgusting, there’s no other way to put it. Every one of them are irredeemable.
Only ones that can be forgiven are the police and negotiators because literally every plan they had was being killed by the news announcing it, the fact that they let people announce it in the first place after the first time and not finding a way to kick them out still makes them accountable though, just less
@@Enrommie False equivalency. Should any information on this subject, or other subjects like it, just not be written about or talked about because now we’re making it “entertainment” in the same vain as the news anchors who were involving themselves into the situation as it occurred? The two are not even close to being the same bro. Given different approaches to their involvement and reporting, the news anchor wouldn’t even have been the bad guys for broadcasting the situation. No one is saying that them doing that is bad, it’s how they went about it. The way Nick delved into the topic was fine and didn’t sensationalize it in any way, all he did was explain what had happened. The entire premise of the video is to highlight a dark moment in media history, as is the common theme for his entire channel, so obviously people who are interested in those types of things will watch this because that’s the stuff that piques their interest. I find that to be hardly comparable to outright exploiting a hostage situation in real time for artificial “entertainment” and TV ratings, especially since this event is now years in the past and not something that is still urgent and dire. I saw your other comment on here basically saying the same thing, that Nick and the viewers are acting like the new anchors lol, and I already just explained why that statement is a braindead take. I can only assume you’re just trying to be some edgy doomerist without actually putting some thought into how to spin it on us in a convincing, logical way.
@@MadeOfBlissPerfectly said, I don't know if this is true for other people, but I enjoy Nick's videos, not because of Nick himself or even because of the "visual" aspect of it (it would be great with or without it), but because this made me genuinely curious on a case I had never heard of, explained it with plenty of detail without trying to be overly dramatic, and, at the end, left me with knowledge I previously would never had known. That, in its essence, is what good "true crime" is, and I applaud Nick for it. He didn't try to be entertaining, he tried to be informative.
I'm just glad that people remember Eloá, and not her killer. People tend to forget that killers have victims, and focus only on the assassins themselves. But we can't give them the spotlight. We should remember Eloá. Specially the terrible spectacle that the media made out of this entire situation.
Very true. I absolutely hate true crime for that exact reason. I don't understand why it's so easy for people to become desensitised to things like this. Like do people not understand that other people have whole entire lives, hopes and dreams? Their pain is not entertainment and the perpetrators are not quirky little case studies.
as a brazilian, i'd like to add that when the "especialist" that was interviewed said that things would "end in pizza", he didn't mean that literally as you interpreted it to be - "things will end in pizza" is a popular saying in brazil to mean that no matter how serious a situation is, it'll likely wrap up with zero consequences to those involved; it was more like this dude was just shrugging the situation off and saying "eh, doesn't matter, nothing's gonna come out of it anyway"
31:19 No. The media will always be heartless. The police were responsible for securing the scene. Cameras were directly hurting the case. And the police ignored it.
And not only his sentence was laughable, Lindemberg got the right for temporary release from prison in 2024, this year, by the BraziIian justice system. His ludicrous sentence ends in 2046.
I was 15 when this happened, I remember this so vividly because it was everywhere. I remember watching the news with my parents and I asked them why didn't they just stopped recording and helped her? 'the media makes money on blood' my dad told me then and...it was the most horrifying and saddening reality check I've ever had. Rip Eloá,I'm glad the world is knowing about your story because you deserved so much better.
Ok I'm seeing a lot of non Brazilians questioning this, she begged then to re-enter the home to help her friend and not a justification, the decision to let her in was dumb, but a explanation
It gets worse. The reporter snd host, Sônia Abrão, the one who interviewed Lindenberg through phone, is known in Brazil to be a professional clout chaser, with her show being full of sensationalism. She later said in a radio show she didn't regret any of it and that people were just jealous of her "perfect job" covering the situation. She was also actually invited to testify by Lindenberg's attorney, but refused bc she wasn't notified, _but_ was happy her show got mentioned in the process. She is disgusting and should've held accountable for Eloá's death as much as Lindenberg.
"perfect job" covering the situation of a dead girl. imagine being this much of a degenerate fucking narcissist as a Brazilian, not proud of this piece of information. neve knew about this
The thing that always disgusts me is stories like this is how romanticized abusive behavior is when it's done "for love" or "our of love". Somehow traumatizing someone, hurting them is ok or even romantic because "he did it because he was so madly in love". Passionate love is not holding someone hostage and beating them in anger. If you genuinely love someone, you don't hurt them. If "love" makes you hurt them, you never loved them in the first place and you're a toxic person who needs help. Love is not an excuse for harmful behavior.
its so crazy, they could have offered cops to come in as meat shield (since it was the reason for him to want the girl back) but no instead they brought back an obviously traumatized teenager who is NOT trained to handle this
17:50 Wow, the "boys will be boys" argument that lawyer made is absolutely disgusting. That poor girl, being held hostage by her abusive, pedo boyfriend while being gaslit by the press.
"I see a marriage in their future. With the boy and his passionate girlfriend." He clearly knows humans. People like him shouldn't be allowed to have a voice, I'd say.
RIP Eloá. My uncle split his time between Brazil and the US before he retired, and he was in Brazil when this happened. When he got back, I remember overhearing him talking about it. His daughter was the exact same age as Eloá and Nayara, and it really shook him. He was on the verge of tears telling my mom about it, and he’s not the kind of man to show emotion.
@@veronikabasholova9419 I saw this live as well, I was around her age so it was particularly difficult to watch. Oddly enough, I dont remember that there were so many screw-ups.
07:35 "I'm not your girlfriend" The courage it takes to say this to someone who groomed you and beat you since you were 12 while he has you at gunpoint...
what is wrong with you. Like genuinely.. To act like this towards a 15 year old who was murdered by a pedophile is vile. Please seek therapy.@@hamza7518
@@hamza7518came to the comments to find this. I don’t think it’s courage but stupidity. Why engage the perp ? Play along and survive. Latinas are built different lol
What was up with this weird ass narrative the news kept trying to spin? "He is treating you well" "You two will make up over pizza". Why the hell were they so dead set on making him seem like he wasn't such a bad guy when there is clearly a stacked deck saying other wise?
Most Brazilian women have their first child at 15/16. They arnt having them with men their age, either, because the average age gap in Brazil is 8 years. This isnt just "accepted" there. Its common, and preferred by the women. She also slept with him the first day they met.
I mean, 19 and 12 is nowhere near as bad as the grooming going on in the American public school system with all the gender nonsense lol. But yes, all grooming is vile and disgusting, including this case
not sure if i heard this correctly, but the way that interviewer suggested shortening his sentence to a year despite the crimes he committed and tried to justify it by saying he doesn't have a criminal record. its so shameless, they treated the entire thing like it was a show for entertainment
As someone who is brazilian, this case is sickening and the fact that the culprits weren’t correctly sentenced is just… horrible. Unfortunately, Brazil’s justice system is really flawed and this kind of thing is actually common, which causes a lot of polemics that never change something. Also being able to understand what the calls really say is even more sickening, bc it’s possible realize how desperate Eloá was or how mad Linderberg sounds, specially by the words they choose to say. The interviews is also maddening to hear, because the reporters are clearly unprofessional on what they’re trying to do and the first guy is so…cold with Eloá and many of the reporters kind of make Linderberg seem like a good person, when he clearly wasn’t. Descanse em Paz, Eloá, pois o que você passou é algo que ninguém merece e que onde quer que ela esteja, seja um bom lugar.
He wasn’t ’heartbroken’, she didn’t break his heart. Possession isn’t love. The media discussion of this being a ‘young lovers quarrel’ when she was clearly trying to escape an abusive relationship is gross and incredibly disturbing. You can’t love what you don’t respect and if you wish to possess another human after they’ve rejected you, you sure as hell don’t respect them. Saying he was ‘broken hearted’ is victim blaming, and I know that wasn’t the intention- just be mindful of that kinda language because unfortunately there are men (not the majority, but enough that it is dangerous) that hear that and justify the actions of the killer. He was angry that what he perceived to be his property disrespected him, that’s all. That’s not love.
I don’t think this comment is necessarily correct. Not all love is good and it can be possessive. Love is not a justifier but may be an explanation for terrible things.
@@svarogwolf That's not a healthy definition of love at all. What you're tallking about is infatuation or lust, which can become possessiveness and abuse. Love is when you put another person before yourself because you want the best for them, because you truly care about them as people and about their wellbeing, with or without you. Anything less is _not_ love.
The news reporters should definately be held accountable for this, but respect to all the officers who tried to save Eloa despite immense pressure by the news coverage and everyone at the scene.
This little girl was a victim from the moment she met this monster! A 12 year old little girl and a 19 year old man!? Not only was he a preditors and a filthy abuser, but he would ultimately take the life of this innocent little girl.
It’s normal in Brazil. Average age gap in Brazil is 8 years and most mothers have their first child at 15/16 with a man at least 6 years older than them. It’s preferred by the women there.
@MandenTV Who cares if it's the norm? It's still gross. Something can be "normal" and bad at the same time. There's a lot of things that are very socially acceptable but shouldn't be.
@@chrissilva1034 lol bro, look it up. Plenty of 18+ women were surveyed in Brazil for almost a decade as part of a study and found that the overwhelming majority of mothers over the age of 18 preferred having their children young with men older than them. I’m not saying it’s not gross, because it is, I’m just laying it out there. Cultural relativism is wrong.
This is genuinely the worst thing to ever air on TV. Unlike several other tragedies shown on TV, this was SO preventable. But greed and incompetence got in the way. The whole thing was just absurd. RIP, Eloa.
As someone who watched this live, the police had plenty of opportunity to end the situation with snipers; the kidnapper exposed himself A LOT OF TIMES, but due to press being always present and pretty much defending the guy rights as well as exposing every move from the police, they couldnt take action and Eloá died. Also, ending in pizza is a slang for there wont be any no real consequences; aka the girl would forgive him and his sentencing would be minimized
Yeah that's what I was asking myself, where is the f...ing sniper?? Do they not have smth like that in Brazil? Whole situation would've been over after a few hours if a sniper had been there. Crazy.
I suddenly found this channel last night and had been binged watching since. You are a great story teller. Sorry for the lost life, so young and innocent life, gone too soon.
This reminded me of another horrific moment here in my country, the 2010 Manila hostage crisis. Basically, an officer took hostage of a Hong Kong tourist bus due to feelings of being unfairly dismissed from his job and just wanted his side to be heard. Unfortunately, the media and the cops failed horrifically, with the cops arresting the officer's brother and the media broadcasting every single thing happening for the officer to watch from the bus' TV, escalating to him shooting everyone in the bus, killing 8 and himself. The fact that the news did not cut away at all despite a body fully shown limped inside the bus' door is telling. Both cases just a horrible display of unprofessionalism.
Anything for the ratings, eh? I wonder if this is the standard journalists during Noli de Castro's time held themselves to, if they would have acted differently or if they'd have the sense to avoid certain actions that might escalate the situation into something worse
@@digressingalice2764 Its ABS-CBN after all. Its no wonder why they got the ire of Duterte a lot. ABS-CBN in terms of ethics can veer away from anything that suits their end game. The best thing ABS-CBN has is the entertainment and the live news coverage for real time disasters like Typhoons. ABS-CBN basically just went out there and made everything from doable to so bad that if TV5 weren't now a shit hole of a channely anymore, I would've permanently shifted to TV5
Reminded me of this as well. Pride, ego, from so many people led to so much death. Incompetence from the people we should supposedly be trusting our lives with. So tragic, and so eye-opening.
This reminds me of another hostage case in brazil called the kidnapping of the 174 bus, where a man kidnnaped the bus and started saying that He would kill everyone in the bus, the Police tried to negociate with him, but with no success, in the end, one of the policeman tried to kill the man and actually killed a woman. This case is still very know because of the police irresponsability.
Saying that SHE broke HIS heart is a bad start, it's a pseudo-justification of his actions. Blaming her, the victim, for what he, the criminal, chose to do by classifying it as a "reaction" to her escaping the abuse. He beat her up and then got angry when he couldn't beat her anymore. That's not being heart broken, that's being a psychopath.
I don't think that's victim blaming, because it's basically what happened. It was a reaction, A bad reaction, but it's still what he felt after the event, morally justified or not. I don't see how that statement is justifying any actions, it's simply stating that the action of breaking up caused him to break his heart, which is literally just a verb phrase. Is it a reaction, its how he reacted, because that is a fact and not an opinion. That is how he reacted. If you're trying to say that heart broken is a understatement, I still don't know how that is pseudo-justification
And if you're saying that the creator is hinting that she indirectly caused it, that is really up to debate. it's probably not known if she was directly, indirectly, or not at all the reason for the kidnapping, even then, I doubt she would've known, you can cause something and not be at fault. She did break his heart, but that doesn't mean it's her fault for his actions.
reminds me of the bus that was on a hostage situation and the fucking reporters asking hostages how did the feel, while the hostage had a gun to their head.
Same, I have vivid memories of seeing it everywhere on TV when I was a kid. Sad thing is that this isn't the only instance of Brazilian media shamefully ruining people's lifes for being so incompetent and greedy.
There is a documentary called "Quem Matou Eloá?" (Who killed Eloá?) directed by Lívia Perez on how the media played a huge role in her death. Sonia Abrão is one of these polemic TV show hosts but I think interviewing Eloá's killer during all this was the worst thing her show has ever done. Just sickening. 2008 was a rough year with the Nardoni case and this one here.
It's about Isabella Nardoni, a 8yo girl who was killed by her father and stepmother. She was thrown out the window of their apartment by her own dad. If you search "Isabella Nardoni" on Google you may find some articles about it in English.@@theonionqueen3519
Every adult in that girl's life needs to be ashamed for a wide variety of things. From her parents for allowing her to date a man that old, to the negotiators who made such poor decisions, the police for not forcing the media away from the site, to the press's abhorrent, leeching behavior. That poor girl. Her poor friend.
Her mother said she talked to her, gave her advice and didn't think it was cool for her to date early because she was a child, but she accepted imposing limits on the relationship because she believed that prohibiting her would not solve the problem. She does not exclude her share of the blame, but from what I understand from her report, she believed that even if she forbade her daughter, she would date him anyway. So she preferred them to date with her consent rather than secretly.
The world is a big place and have many different sides to life, and meanings of how it should be lived.. This kind of stuff, and worse happens more than we like to think
It’s a wonder how Eloá was the only casualty with the criminal incompetence of everyone “negotiating” with her killer. Still, if it weren’t for the blood thirsty news outlets & the bafflingly stupid decisions of the police, her death probably could have been prevented, too. I hope all the survivors are doing well after such a traumatic event
me if I was still young. knowing my own race done this to me. I would go nuts and don't trust anyone ever again. "EVERYONE HELPED my kidnapper. giving him food, giving him full view what's happening outside, my friend escaped and toke him back to my kidnapper in a brink in a eye, people that are watching acting like is a fucking show smiling, laughing and making peace signs, police toke there very sweet time to even try to help us. because of all of this almost everyone in the room died even my best friend." *later people paying there respects to my dead friend* "DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE ACTING LIKE YOU CARE! because of every one of you people my best friend is dead!" like really what the fuck is wrong with all of those people? even if you tell someone this all in detail. NO ONE would believe you. and people does this thing "is all fun and games untell someone dies" and that's when everyone fucking gives a damn even if most of it was there own fucking fault in the 1st place.
@@rickydiscord7671 Just because two or more people are the same race that doesn't mean their gonna get along with each other. People commit crimes agaisnt each other all the time including people from the same race.
@@PeterGriffin11 I was saying as a example that's why I say "if". I already knew how fucked up the world is since I was 5 and I became more aware when I hit 7. also humans are humans no matter the color, bloodline, gen, bone and muscle, human is human there is no difference. is just rare to see light from all the darkness we are covered in.
I know you’re referring to this case specifically, but I just thought it would be relevant to mention how this isn’t even the only time a hostage died for absolute negligence by the police/media. There was another case in Brazil where a woman was taken as a hostage by an armed man in a bus. The police and the man were communicating via the woman writing his requests in the window of the bus with her lipstick, and after hours of trying to set up a trade or a way to save her, the snipers tried to kill the armed man and shot the hostage, which prompted the robber to shoot her three more times, killing her. I’m pretty sure it was also broadcasted on tv but I personally never watched it. It’s extremely sad and disgusting how this type of thing happened not once but twice
This is hardly the only situation that TV news directly led to fatalities, and the US has its fair share, too. The style of highlighting names & disseminating manifestos led to the UnaB/m/er & countless others, and copycats wanting to see their names emblazoned for their "B count" or "the only way to do one impactful thing with my life" or "high-vis revenge" on a person or group. Then there's the anchor who couldn't deal with the "bI□□d and gu+s ᴨewṣ" anymore (and she'd tried to get ger superior to understand for months on end). And the incumbent who'd done no crime but whose name was dragged through the mud for things he hadn't done but the world had decided c/o the news gleefully spreading the lies, so he held a press conference and a large manila envelope (Filter's song "Hey Man, Nice Sh♡t" was about him). Geraldo famously aired himself from a secret military hideout that got a lot of people fired & "fired" as well. The fiasco with Janet Reno with the Cuban boy... Those are all just off the top of my head & US-specific cos I noted the parameter for whatever reason. Everything is an absolute shxtshow.
The news crews running to the ambulance to get a glimpse of the dying Eloa is sickening. First time hearing about this case disgusted me. From the news crew and police, its terrible how they handled it. The news even saying the guy was just young and in love. its why many people hate the media, as they tend to blame the victim. also because of them at the scene they give him what he wanted. Fame. The fact that they said he was young is absolute bullshit
I live 10 minutes away from the building where Eloá lived and I remember all this happening, it was insane. I remember vividly how shocked I was when they allowed Nayara to go back into the apartment. The whole thing was a shitstorm, police weren't prepared, the midia was specially disgusting (Sonia Abrão is the scum of the Earth) and the fact she died and he lived just makes me so mad. Contrary to what some people might say about his sentencing, it wasn't "light" (it was, but let me finish), 30 years is the maximum possible jail time anyone can get for any crime in Brazil, there is no "life in prison", so he was punished with the maximum legal amount of time possible, even though most people would think 30 years wasn't enough, that was the best law could do. On a little side note: To hope something ends in Pizza is an expression we have in Brazilian Portuguese and it means something is going to be inconsequential. Like all parts are just going to let go of the matter and get together for some pizza.
@@theonionqueen3519norway is 21 years, Portugal and Paraguay are 25 years. Most countries don't have a maximum. But the ones that do are usually around 30 to 40 years max. Some countries a little bit more than that.
As a poor country Brazil has a really high crime static, which mean criminals and their families are a actual relevant voting base, that and corruption is all way up there so politicians need to protect themselves in case they get arrested at some point. So the laws for sentencing are very lax on purpose.
i can not believe how horribly managed this case was…. letting a VICTIM of the kidnapper back onto the scene at all is nuts let alone a DAY after and her being a MINOR!!!!!! They really could have saved eloa’s life but they failed…
@@caduhidalgo4996 ouvindo isso só consigo lembrar daquele policial influencer que vivia indo em podcast e colocou a vítima de volta no cativeiro depois do resgate pq ele tinha esquecido de gravar. A PM é uma vergonha
What are you asking to do the police was sending backup and when he said don't bring backup the police have to comply the police in this situation always loses A what happened there B media criticise police for not sending and ending at once if media wasn't present then police could had shown professionalism
I know reporters didn't get legal repercussions but do you happen to know if they got social repercussions?? did their actions in this case at least got them fired or outcasted?
@@ratpacks9781no. the person who was the main culprit, Sonia Abrão, still has the same program in the same tv station where the whole Eloá fiasco was aired. and she even said she doesn't regret a single thing she did about this case.
The bystanders smiling, cheering and waiving to the cameras says a lot about society and everyone wanting to be the center of attention without regard to the lives that are in jeopardy. The conduct of the media is reprehensible! For the lawyer to say this girl will end up marrying this psycho abuser! Wow
That clip of everyone waving and cheering felt like a scene from a dark-comedy satire. I forget that this type of mentality existed long before livestreams and social media, it's just easier to notice nowadays.
Sonia Abraao is not a news station. It’s a daytime talk show in RedeTV news station. Brazil’s TV media has one big network. Globo. After the 90’s police coverage (which was done with a lot of sensasionalism) and a hijacking case in June 12th 2000, in Rio, where within hours, the whole country watched the event unfold, with a tragic outcome, Globo had decided to more carefully curate what to do in these cases. However, as journalist and media workers know, one “journalistic criterea” to determine if a story should be broke is the fact that all other news outlets are doing it. Creating the domino effect you mentioned. It took 18 hours for Globo to send a news team. 18 hours, by itself, made it more news worthy. But the fact other outlets had been doing it certainly contributed. So when big Globo came into play, all networks tried to “up their game”. When that Sonia Abraao reporter called him, it was in such spirit. It was poorly received within Globo and among journalists. But at the same time, highly rated. By that point, all outlets edged each other and the circus was too big. No one was at fault, though everyone was. At some point, there was no no covering anymore. This is similar to Columbine. All the US media turned to Colorado that day, and following it as well. There was no end of it. But since school shootings increased as a byproduct of sorts of the coverage itself, the way it is done today is different. Unfortunely, In Brazil, Rio’s case and Eloa’s demise did not change it. Last week we had another bus hijacking, and Globo (as all others) covered it. This time there were clear instructions not to divulge the suspects name or to show the bus itself on live TV. Only afterwards, when the situation ended, was it ok - this time without casualties.
This incident would have been incredibly traumatic for Nayara as well. She was only 15 and was shot in the face while her best friend died because they were let down by the people meant to protect them. Nayara was very brave to able to speak out about this. I wish her all the best
@@originalSiiiNas if gendered wording means anything in this conversation about the death of a child. thats such a minuscule detail to care about, you weirdo
The case of Eloá is widely regarded as a collective traumatic event for the whole country because of the way the media handled it. It shall never be forgotten.
This event really opened my eyes when it comes to how vile and disgusting modern media has become, over dramatising every single event. No matter how many people get hurt, how awful they treat the event, they will always do whatever they can to get viewership no matter how much it hurts the people Reminds me of corporations… almost like the corporations are what run the media
over 30,000 people showed up to Eloá's funeral? why? they watched her suffer on television for days like it was a blockbuster thriller. they didn't deserve to be in the presence of her and those who actually cared for her.
This is probably the first time a UA-cam video has actually left me floored. Stunned. I just can’t wrap my head around what everyone was thinking.. She was failed, both girls were failed tremendously by everyone. You did a great job telling this story though. Thank you for your hard work Nick!
For everyone interested, there was a similar situation in Greece back in 1998. A hostage crisis by a Romanian criminal named Sorin Matei. The situation had everything, the police were amateurs at best, the police chief of the entire country was injured, the media mishandled it, explosion, the hostage was murdered and then even the criminal himself died later very mysteriously.
I’m brazilian and this was probably the biggest shitshow I’ve ever seen happen here in Brazil. From the abysmal lack of police training to the disgusting media coverage, everything about the case is a masterclass on how not to do things. I’ve majored in journalism and to this day the case is widely debated and considered the most catastrophic media coverage ever. Just so frickin awful and I feel so bad about it. Great video, though! Extremely well researched and the footage brought some harsh memories, man! Love your stuff.
Are you really Brazilian? I'm not & I can tell you that just about 50% of the videos on the graphic sites are from Brazil. The other half is cartel videos from Mexico. I've seen triple digits videos of people in Brazil being hacked to death on street corners. People lit on fire.
@@ClickClack_Bam "X percentage of videos" "i've seen X amount of videos from Brazil", no shit, it's a country the size of a continent, larger than contiguous USA, with over 200 million people, and Mexico has over 100 million. Brazil is not even top 10 in murder rates, which means there are countries way more violent that people don't give a shit about simply because they're smaller and have a lower amount of people, go to any violent part of the US like Saint Louis, Detroit, or Washington DC and you'll see higher homicide rates. El Salvador had like 4x or 5x Brazil's murder rate before that dude building the megaprisons took over and nobody gave a shit about it on the internet simply because it's small. Plus a lot of the videos from "Brazil" on the internet are not really from Brazil, i've seen several where people are speaking Spanish, even that "funkytown" Mexican cartel video got shared as "Brazilian cartel video" at one point.
@@Azulakayes thats what I'm thinking. they could have gotten the cops involved or taken matters into their own hands if they didn't do anything. i cannot imagine just letting it happen as if i were completely helpless.
As a Brazilian, seeing how the media and mainly the Sonia Abrão show and her tv channel acted and literally murdered one person, and see how nothing happened to them and the recent declarations that Sonia herself stated that she do not regret what they did is so infuriating.
@@endor8witch yes. sadly Case Eloá was 15 years ago, it already left popular memory here in Brazil, she is very hated in general, but also still popular, your typical controversial "journalist".
I remember when all that happened when I used live in Brazil. I was around the same age as Eloá. It’s WILD that annoying a$$ professional yapper, Sônia Abrão, is still able to have a career and a whole tv show after this tragedy took place. Brazilian media ain’t serious, man.
@@krovvyyarbles I would agree with this. Felt like he was giving him a mental picture of a clear and peaceful "out", with the hope he'd process this and stand down. Might be way off, but that was my first thought with that. Tragic case all round though :(
As a Brazilian, this is one of the cases that enrages me the most. The root of the problem was that at the time the media was treating linderberg as this confused young man, who had his heart broken by his young girlfriend, and now was in a rampage. No one at the media seemed to realize (or bother to see) what he really was: a predatory, controlling pedophile, obsessed with this *KID* that was Eloá. Remember, she was 13 when they dated, by Brazilian law she couldn’t consent to anything bc she didn’t have the age to understand what a relationship even is. With that sexist view of the situation, fueled by machismo and “boys will be boys” mentality, they all thought they could coddle lindemberg and reason with him, not realizing he was a cold hearted, volatile criminal. It’s sickening and revolting.
As a Brazilian journalism student, I think at some point during the course it should be mandatory to discuss this case and how the media handled it. Every journalist (or future journalist) should know about this case to learn what NOT to do in this profession.
no offense tho...this took place in 2008. it is already a time when news media around the world are polished enough to know what NOT to do. the fact that in brazil this was how it was handled spoke volume about the country and the general consensus of the moral and intelligence level there.
@@endor8witch do you think Brazil is the only country in the world that would have done it like that in 2008? the journalists who did this stuff where used to talking about celebrities getting seeing with hookers or who slept with who last night in Big Brother Brazil, its literally gossip level stupid people that decided to jump in a story of a lifetime for a journalist. This is not different from the paparazzies that killed Lady Diana, or some of the stuff channels like TMZ still pull on this day.
@@endor8witch "no offense tho" then proceeds to offend the whole country because of some stupid people, in multiple comments on top of that. It's like seeing videos of north american cops being stupid/unprepared(which is something that happens everyday not just 2008) then calling the whole country stupid. No offense but that's pretty stupid, no offense tho.
I was a preteen when that happened and since me and my family didn't have cable at the time, we were all watching it. I remember the ominous feeling I had watching it all unfold and the conclusion... it's infuriating to think that no one in the media suffered any punishment for this
@NotVille_wromg, and i will actively steer people away from your channel and expose it as a scam to as many people as i can and have them all boycott and report it until its taken down
Well one victim was a police cheif and the failed police are partially responsible for her Death. It kind of seems like some Karmatic Justice for Eloa. It just happened sooner than later. She was so beautiful and probably have a beautiful heart as well. May she rest in peace.
@@OverIt822 Yea, sucks she was taken too soon. I really hate how the media and negotiators treated this situation. Media trying to interview the captor and leaking everything that could have saved Eloa’s life. And the negotiators for somehow thinking it was a good idea to have one of Eloa’s friend walk up to the room alone without backup. I want lindeburg to be locked up for life not just 30+ years
I remember being a bit younger than Eloá and watching this all go down. It still baffles me how Sonia Abrao went off without facing any consequences. She's one of the most disgusting people in media to ever live, and to this day she still profits off exposing people and critizing sub-celebrities as if nothing ever happened. This girl's blood will forever be in her hands. Also, it's so frustrantigly common to portray literal stalkers as such romantic men... I can't tell you how many times an aunt or a friend's mom has told me that her husband had pursued her tirelessly and insistently for months or years until she finally gave in, just like that creep pursued after Eloá when she was a literal teen.
Just to enlighten you, there is a (nearly palpable) difference between stalking and being politely, non-creepily, respectfully patient, yet persistent. Did your aunt’s husbands or friend’s mom’s husbands hold them hostage at the tip of a gun in an apartment building? Did the husbands date those women when they were 12 years old, and the husbands nearly 20? You can’t think in absolutes. An orange and an apple are both fruits… but they are VERY different things. Asking someone (of age) out and being told no, so patiently waiting and letting the person live their life before asking again in the future because you haven’t forgotten about them and truly do care and love them, is VASTLY different than stalking (tracking, harassing, assaulting, manipulating and even rapping and taking hostage)…
I bet most of the men you’re referring to are good to your aunts and mother’s friends. Life isn’t black and white. Ruining good mens reputation is no joke.. especially when considering male su!cide rates.
@@ImprovEyes-fc9fo what don’t you understand about the word „no”? If someone doesn’t want to date you and expresses it, and you just disregard that to be „romantic” or some shit, it’s disgusting. Women having autonomy over who they date is not the cause behind men’s suicide rates. You know what is tho? Men not taking care of their mental health and society applauding it, like seen in this video where they paint him as passionate instead of mentally disturbed.
This whole thing is baffling. Not just the normalising of an abusive “relationship” between a CHILD and an adult, but the moronic handling of the situation by everyone involved. You send a 15 year old hostage back in with no assistance? What did they think would happen? And seeing people smiling and waving for the camera, while Eloa was fighting for her life metres away, is sickening. As someone else in the comments said, this is so dystopian it’s surreal.
Unfortunately this kind of relationship is weirdly normalized here in Brazil, especially in some parts of the country. I myself know someone who actively defended a former relationship their boyfriend, who was 17, had with a 12 year old. No one else batted an eye, not even the child's mother, and this person defended him when me and others said this was wrong. It's still a very big problem nowadays even though most say it's a "thing of the past".
@@YourCommonSinner you're right! it would feel so much better if i just accepted that being a pedophile and abuser is perfectly normal! how could i not have thought of that!
Nick, there is a disturbing case in Brazil that could use some recognition. The victim's name is Paulo Pavesi, and the father is looking for justice since the year 2000. Won't put the details here so to not get caught by the algorithm, but you can search for the details online.
Here in brazil this case is used in journalism classes as a lesson for what no to do in these types of situations, It's a disgusting story that I had the displeasure to follow as a kid in the news, it was such a big thing that it is forever marked in my memory. Rip Eloa, may this at least serve as a cautionary tale and help us be better prepared
Hey Nick, as someone who grew up with DV, I just want to point out two things. Eloá didn't "break his heart." She was a child groomed by a predator who got out of an abusive relationship. He wasn't "broken-hearted." He would've had to love her to be broken-hearted, and he did not love her. He was angry that she was no longer under his control. He decided to punish her for trying to take back control of her life. That's how abusers work. They don't see their victims as people. They see them as property.
It was also weird to hear "despite the age gap, they fell in love and dated for the next two+ years". That would be fine if both were well into their adult years, but she was TWELVE. They didn't "date". He preyed upon her. They didn't "fall in love". He wanted a vulnerable person to control, and she was too young to realise the situation she was in.
Yes, thank you! This absolutely disgusted me as well. It's something that I see extremely often when it comes to men murdering a victim they were "in a relationship with". As if 1. It's kind of understandable why the bastard did what he did and 2. As if the victim doesn't really matter. It's gross if it happens in a case where people are both adults, but it's even more baffling when it happens with a pedophile and the person he groomed. I usually think Nick words things well, but this was extremely weird and definitely a reason I'll think twice about watching next time he uploads
This is honestly the worst handling of any situation ive ever heard in my life. Like the negotiators and Media literally helped him, The Media intentionally. How do you RECAPTURE a hostage?!
Even though it’s been 10+ years since this happened, I feel so much anger for Eloa and Naiara. The way they took forever to even knock down the door broke me. God knows what those girls were thinking before police finally got inside. How heartbreaking.
Eloa was a bad-ass! I got chills after hearing her say " I'm not your girlfriend!" I would've been kissing his ass, telling him whatever he wanted to hear, but this woman was done with this psychotic loser and despite being in danger of losing her life, she refused to let that scumbag make claim to her. If there's a heaven, she is for sure a kickass angel 😇 Rest in peace, Eloa.
@nicwelch Well, her father was outside of the house when the psycho took her and the other boys hostages, but where they were when their 14 year old daughter was hooking up with this much older creep is an excellent question! I don't know the age of consent or the cultural norms of the country in which this tragedy occurred, so perhaps the parents didn't think of their "relationship" to be wildly inappropriate, but seeing this as an American, I couldn't help but wonder the same thing- where is this girl's father to beat the brakes off this punk!??!!? 🤔 Very tragic.
I was a kid when that happened. Every major crime that involved children in my country, like Isabella Nardoni's, João Hélio's and the Pampulha Lagoon's Baby cases, always brought a mixture of confusion and terror in my younger self. I always thought that adults could only protect children, like a natural law (I know the perpetrator was a teenager in this case, but still). In a sense, that kind of thing made me question what would take for someone like me to be one of those cases, almost like a rudimentary existential crisis.
adults SHOULD be protecting children, especially their own/those that live with/near them unfortunately, in probably a majority of countries, there are several adults with children who do the complete opposite
I was a kid when this whole thing happened, I didn't understand well the situation at that time but it was 24/7 on the tv. Growing up and realizing all the stuff i was seeing on tv was just a serious hostage situation being treated like a circus was devastating, rewatching all these clips in the video made me enraged. Family members that work at the police say that nowadays they even study this case so they know what NOT to do in hostage situations and how to make sure the media won't intervein. It's truly one of the biggest shames in our country Very good video! Brazil has some very intense cases so everytime an international channel covers them i run to see how they covered it
@@PigeonfoxYes! As he said, this case is used today to show what bot tô do in this kind of situation. To be honest after that I've never saw something like that happen again.
I am a Brazilian journalism student and we study the Eloá case in ethics classes at the university to this day. It is literally used as an example of what not to do in the profession
Yall are dumb as hell over there 😂
@@eh2396Not everyone is fortunate.
Good, atleast hopefully in the sense that nothing like this ever happens again.
Nothing's changed in the media, it's just as bad now if not worse.
the fact that it was 2008 and the brazilian media still don't know what not to do is ridiculous to me. this is basic common sense. no wonder the country is just so unpolished.
Asking a 15 year old to return to a scene where she was a hostage only to be easily taken hostage again might be the craziest part of this whole story and that’s saying a lot. Who’s the genius that thought that was a good idea
generally speaking, police in latin america aren't well known for their competence
@@avelynn5976 seems like it's a worldwide phenomenon lol
It was a stupid decision. But we cannot blame them FULLY because the officers were also fighting against the media at the time. It seems like the news reporters were being the "neutral" side in this case by "reporting" whatever they could about Eloa's hostage situation. But if you look at it closely, it was a one-sided battle between the police and killer + media.
Eloa's family and her friend's family should sue not just the officers who made those rash decisions, but also the news reporters who got themselves involved without any permission and the lack of critical understanding of the situation at that time, which leads to the eventual death of one of the hostage and a serious injury on the other, also a traumatizing experience for the other guy taken hostage but was released.
The media was the trigger to Eloa's death. RIP to an innocent lady.
@@DarchrowTheEnigma Jeez spoilers.
@@DarchrowTheEnigmathe police should have been working along side with the media, told them to spread false information through tv and in exchange maybe the police would allow the media to follow the case fully, like when there would be a "violent" approach the media could record it to spice the news and in doing so, spike up their viewers who enjoy "violence" or something like that
The fact they aired the cops plans, fully knowing he was listening and would hear it is beyond fucking disgusting and dangerous. Each of those reporters should have been charged as culprits, they practically helped him.
There was one time they aired a operation on a favela on live following the cops, so yeah, sensationalism was crazy
@@osvaldojunior8641 I remember that, was it the raid after the murder of Tim Lopes right? The news showing the cops going up to the favela and then showing the gangs running from the other side looked like a comedy sketch rather than a serious police procedure.
FOR REAL. Watching it actually pissed me off like how can people be so fckin heartless
The insanity of this makes it look like a Black Mirror episode.
Fucking irl version of
"Nobody knows when the attacks going to happen, everyone though, says tomorrow!"
Imagine being a hostage, thinking you're gonna die, getting free by some miracle, then being guilted into joining negotiations and putting your own life on the line alone, only to be kidnapped and held hostage all over again unsure if you'll survive a second time.
Disgusting. Disgusting all around
And being held hostage again because the police threw you back I there after being free and safe. Wild
And shot through hand and in face , and watch your friend you went back to help get murdered right in front of you, and still have to be a media spectacle afterwards
While being only 15
Job 31:1:
"I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a young woman."
RIP Eloá. What disgusting behavior from the press. It’s so terrible to think that she could have been saved with competent police work.
some people just have no humanity in them, those people from the press have a nice spot in hell waiting for them
It's so true, like, now I understand why people Truly dislike reporters because of them cause the entire situation to get worse
i feel like the media played a big role in the inaction of the police. their plans kept getting televised and they couldnt really do much cause lindemberg wouldve been one step ahead
@ville__ I don't see any videos on your channel, so ... nope.
@@jettoscrandaits a bot
people smiling and waving at the camera, treating this girl fighting for her life as a spectacle is so sickening. RIP Eloa you deserved so much better and I hope everyone who failed her are haunted for the rest of their lives
You have to understand the time and culture... It was in a low education "district", almost all of them jumping were naive little kids who didn't understood the seriousness of the situation nor have seen reporters around. It was by ignorance, not coldness
That's just how humans are.. mob mentality hive mind behavior is prevalent no matter where you are
See January 6.
@@pipermccool See about having a heart ho
It's fine. There's 8 billion humans on Earth.
I'm so angry at everyone involved for failing to protect Eloa. Now she will only remain a memory, a girl who was groomed and ultimately killed by her abuser.
Every couple like this that I went to school with had full support from the pedo enabling parents.
yeah 😞 tbh not a fan of the choice of wording used in the segment about the two's "relationship". she was just a little girl and he was taking advantage of her
@@reiy8401exactly
Cope 😂
@@Ilovetrollinnigga thought everything is a game
Another Brazilian here. I was 19 when that happened, and it was everywhere. I remember trying to avoid all media because of how disturbing everything was being handled.
Brazil is a flawed country. We tend to ignore problems until they become crises, and then we're unprepared to deal with them. We see it every day-in TV shows, movies, conversations, at work, school... the lack of responsibility is everywhere.
People often think, "It will never happen here," and push things off until it's too late. Over and over, we see disasters on TV: a museum catching fire because the wiring was old and neglected, a dam collapsing and flooding a city due to lack of maintenance, buildings falling apart because someone thought it was cheaper to use beach sand instead of proper materials.
The saddest part is that people here tend to forget. In less than a year, no one remembers these things.
I'm seeing a few Brazilians in this video. Do you remember the events I mentioned? More importantly, do you think anything has changed since then?
The media won't change.
The police won't change.
Only you can change.
Has anything changed since? What happened to the apartment?
@@armorpro573 I honestly have no idea. There are 215 million people in Brazil, like 15 million just in São Paulo. It’s not like I cross paths with that place every day, or ever, to be fair. And rest assured, the media won’t talk about this again except to “remember the tragedy of 10 years ago” on its anniversary.
But my comment wasn’t about the apartment itself or the situation in this video. People need to change the way they think and deal with problems overall. I truly believe my country can prosper, but not with the mindset we have now.
@@lairesrellik Well unfortunately, humans have proven yet again to forget and repeat the mistakes of the past.
I was 7 when that happened, so I don't remember much about it
But in recent years, the Museu da língua portuguesa catching on fire, the floods in Rio Grande do Sul and even where I live, Rondônia that has been literally on FIRE for months now, and very few news outside of the north region actually are actually saying something about it
Brazilians have the unfortunate mentally of "this is fine" and only acts when we're already past the breaking point
Nothing has changed...
I am from a São Paulo countryside City and right now I'm faceing problems to fucking breath because are forest fires ashes covering not only here but 60% of the country and this is not a New topic around here, it is only getting worse year after year.
I love Brazil but I'm also very sad on how natural this kind of thing is for most part of our People.
I am Brazilian myself, and seeing Eloá in a foreign channel is a mix of two emotions - "I am glad people overseas are talking about it because my own media took a blind eye once it all ended and to this day refuses to go over just how inhumane she was treated, this cannot be ever forgotten" and "I wish I could forget this actually happened". It's beyond dystopian, that word doesn't even touch the dread I feel when I think back to Eloá. This is gonna be hard to watch, but thank you for bringing her up.
Sorry I’m advance for how this might be phrased, but in the states, Brazil is occasionally framed as having a somewhat disorganized response to crime.
I know two people who moved here from Brazil, who don’t know each other, and both have cited that their families moved because of the crime and danger of their living situations.
But, as someone who currently lives there, would you say this is an outlier situation? As in this case with Eloá is not reflective of the overall police response?
Or would you say that it represents the overall state of policing?
I only ask because I feel media portrays all foreign countries unfairly, for example, when Europeans think coming to the US means you’ll get shot.
Maybe we could be in a better situation if USA didn't organize coup d'etats in Brazil and in the rest of Americas, treating us like shit with yours "big stick".
I don't think it's an outlier. I'm Brazilian as well. Things are crazy here. Lol police incompetence is worldwide but I feel like latin America takes the cake
@@Apopcyp I'd say it's somewhat common. News reports can be very sensationalist (Record TV and Band TV are two examples), police response can take a while and sometimes they might not help at all.
I lived in Sao Paulo as well and my house has been robbed 3 times, we never managed to recover anything from any of those robberies (not to mention all the times my family members were robbed on the streets). There's too much crime for too little cops, if you live in the slums in Rio de Janeiro the reality is as bad as the media says, if not worse.
@@Apopcyp Not just in the states. Here in Europe we think/know the same. Even my Brazilian friends think Brazil is a hell-hole.
The journalists were culprits in this case. They should have met consequences. This is really sickening...
As well as the negotiaters tf were they thinking sending her back in there by herself
This new media outlets are all about the ratings, you could tell psychopaths are gloating on people's suffering just to serve their interest.
Yep surely there’s a law in brazil to not interfere with police investigation/negotiation
@@Tanner404yeah, I completely agree with you but if the press didn’t leak police information the negotiators probably wouldn’t have resorted to that. It’s still absolutely fucked up what the police and negotiators did, though.
Never heard of this case before, but this reminds me of similar hostage situations and press fckups in Germany/Europe, where journalists blocked (and still block) the police or first responders to create a worse outcome on purpose, more than once. European journalists are known for this aggressive behaviour, especially when they work for a megaconglomerate and want to climb up their corporate money ladder. It's sad that it also affects other parts of the world.
I myself see freedom of press as a double edged sword. Commercial sensationalism only creates chaos and destruction, but proper investigative journalism can resolve chaos.
But It's mostly the sensationalism that happens, more and more panic clickbait, politically biased media, half thruths etc. creating disturbances withing society. The press media loves to add fuel to the fire. They do this on purpose, because more chaos equals to more bad stuff happening, resulting more panic sensationalism, rinse and repeat.
Especially European news media is so disconnected from reality, as if they journalists live in parallel clown dimension, they even developed their own set of buzzwords and neologism, even their own political ideologies nobody else uses to confuse people lol. I'm very critical about commercial press media and do not trust them at all.
My family is from the eastern bloc and my in-laws in far east Siberia, where press media was/is restricted, so i know both systems. Both have their pro's and con's. Sometimes press restrictions can prevent chaos from happening.
This was the perfect example on what not to do in a hostage situation. Everything that could go wrong, went wrong. RIP Eloá.
South America in a nutshell my friend.
it's such a perfect example that it's a case study in universities here in Brazil. Sadly a innocent girl had to die to just some people understand that the press should not interfere in police operations. Descanse em paz Eloá 💔
Everyone knew that except the morons reporting or rather feeding him information about what the cops were planning. They knew what they were doing and didn't care as long as it got them the ratings .
This is evil no one can escape God judgment of condemnation if they don't repent of their sins no matter what sin
Do you know Jesus Christ can set you free from sins and save you from hell today
Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven
There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today
Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell
Come to Jesus Christ today
Jesus Christ is only way to heaven
Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void
Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today
Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
Romans 6.23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
‼️Something similar happened in Romania in Caracal
2 girls were kidnapped by a gross old man after they hitch-hiking from school to home. One girl found a phone in the basement and call the police.
When the police arrived, they couldn't enter the house because they did not have a warrant to search and enter the house. They stayed 7 hours in front of the house until they received the warrant. In this time, the girls were killed and dismembered. One of the girls was buried and what remained of her body has not been discovered even now. The killer never said where he hid her. The second girl was found in a barrel.
It was the most horrific case that happened in Romania in the last years.‼️
Holly shit!
only 30 years and his accomplice only has 12. omg bruh
Oh my God! Unbelievable!
omg no! so sorry you had to been through this horrible case my latin brothers and sisters, we're so fkin unlucky. lets hope the future holds something better for us
kind regards from brazil ❤🇧🇷
god i remember that case. my friend is romanian (well, moldovan, but half-romanian and has family in romania) and heard the news and told me about it. it was horrifying
Everyone in this case let Eloá down. The media treated her situation as a show, and constantly ruined the police's plans. The negotiator's incompetence actually gave him *back* a hostage. And the justice system only gave the scum who killed her a mere 30 years. Truly sickening. Rest in Peace, Eloá... You deserved *so* much better than what happened...
30 years was the maximun sentence possible at the time, now it rose to 40.
And her father was also a wanted criminal
Welcome to Brazil.
This is a problem with the Brazilian justice system here in general. Why do you think crime is such a problem here? Because, at most, you'll get some 30 years in jail, as it's the maximum legal sentence. Until we have a system that guarantees you'll lose your life over ANY crime, even more for shit like this, crime WILL be a massive problem here.
how is 30 years a bad sentencing?
Every single person involved in that media circus should be jailed. Straight up evil.
Yes
@@kamiiiiiiiiiiiii sad to know.
They won’t be though. Because only innocent people get punished in this world.
They should get boycotted
I was searching if the idiots that had the "brilliant" idea of that interview did face consecuenses for what they did,and there was nothing,and now i read they are still on tv? They should face some,at least to NOT APPEAR in television,but they are still working???
It cannot be understated how terrible the media and police acted during this ongoing crime.
Not police media
to be fair: the police couldnt do much because of the media for the larget part
It was all they could’ve done
I would cut the police a little slack due to how much the non stop media coverage and meddling really undercut a lot of what they were trying to do but overall yes the police and media failed in this situation and it ended up costing a young person her life
Just like what happened in manila 2010
the fact that sonia said she has no regrets and would “do it all over again” is insane. how were these news stations charged with some sort obstruction of justice.
Eloá was a child. She trused the adults around her to save her and every single one of them failed her. The worst part is the lack of remorse for their actions. How can so many suffer from a lack of empathy, compassion and a conscience. Abolsutely sickening.
This is Brazil, where the atmosphere of idgaf is the norm
Nobody cares
@@Gordonfreeman551 that was basically his point lol
@@Gordonfreeman551 After seeing a large portion of the comments here, I think that's almost exclusively a you thing
Corporations and their stooges doing anything they can to boost numbers regardless of how it affects the people around them, yet the second you do anything more then peacefully protest they arrest you, it’s fucked
no one is talking about how that man was a literal pedophile. even the news framed their relationship as romantic instead of abusive. she was TWELVE when they started dating. they were not lovers or in a relationship, she was a victim. this entire story is sickening
Seven years gap. Not a huge difference. And it’s normal in Brazil very young girls dating
@@ThePatynightwtf
@@ThePatynight
YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR EFFING MIND.
WTF!!!
@@ThePatynightIt may be common to happen, but its not *normal*, and i live in brazil to say that. It does happen often, but yet a problem and disgusting. Young girls should date young boys if they want to date someone, and that's yes normal now. Cannot say it's not common to have creepy +18 man after kids who are still at school, but do not talk about it like it's something acceptable.
@@ThePatynight it’s not a HUGE difference if you are both adults, but 12 and 19???
Someone who isn’t even a teenager yet, and someone out of school who can get a job?
Just a reminder, Nick: in Brazil, when we say "everything will end up in pizza", that means that the case will end up without a clear conclusion/punishment, benefiting someone involved.
I'm glad the see the channel talking about that tragedy that still a scar in Brazil's Television History.
Can I ask how this saying came to be? Why pizza?
@@meanpersona4686I mean... It's not far fetched if you see it with a logical bias: here, as with everywhere else if you really think about it, pizza is often used as a social occasion or celebration that warrants this meal, so it's a sarcastic, kind of, saying here in Brazil!
Sorry for my bad English btw. Hopefully I was able to clear that up for everyone. :)
Im glad to see that he covers cases that havent been covered a million times in english before. This was very exciting to watch and Im so sorry to all of brazil for having to be a witness.
Also what a wierd saying :) but thank you for clearing it up
@@En7my Oh, ok! Thank you for the explanation!
reporters: "respect our work!!"
*the work in question*
Lmfaooo
They’ll earn my respect when they act like fucking adults!
reporters and reporting as a profession is incredibly important to society and keeping people in power in check, despite massive (and unjournalistic tbh) failures like this
@@fatorias8586 but clearly, they can easily fck shit up when they do
This is example #1 of what NOT to do as a journalist or reporter. Ethics 101
One of the biggest shames in brazilian tv history. The way the media and the police handled this case was beyond fucked up and it costed a young girl her life.
She was just 15 years old.
The media is more at fault here than the police really
the police for any country just sucks
They’re all incompetent douchebags that think they’re above their own laws. This is just one of many examples of them contributing to innocent people’s deaths
@@videogamefanaticlordkh7526nah the police were fucking stupid too, why the fuck would they reveal their plans to the press, and hand back the other girl so freely
They were just as incompetent and unprofessional as the media
The police were actually fairly competent getting half of them out without much issue it was only after the press got involved that everything went wrong
First time I ever heard of a hostage being freed and then recaptured. The incompetence and idiocy of the police was mind boggling and the actions of the journalists was reprehensible. And to top everything off, the little sh@t gets a light sentence.
There was a hostage case in America that was similar it was a school shooting turned seige the police told him he hadn't killed anyone he got a hold of the TV and the news leaked the death of one person he shot. If I recall he was ready to surrender till that came out he also sent hostages out to collect and return food they came back but if I remember he did threaten to kill all of them if one left that made them feel like they would be responsible so they would return.
39 years is not a light sentence but okay
There's an "influencer police officer/deputy" here who arrived late to a kidnapping incident. When he arrived, everything had already been resolved, but as he had not filmed it, he returned the hostage to captivity along with the kidnapped one, and then staged the capture
Welcome to this shit stained hellhole we call brazil
I hope i get to leave this place soon, and tell everyone who told me to do otherwise to fuck off
@@sicthemuttit is if there's no real punishment.
As a braziliam that saw everything happening live, sonia abrao continuing working at television is just madness. She is a terrible person that had done the unthinkable for just some audience points, since she always worked at low tier channels.
I totally agree... Not only her, but many journalist at that time are still working on brazilian TV and should be fired for good. That was savage and inhumane.
Chamar de abutre seria ofender o pobre do pássaro
I'm curious as a brazilian(you), do you find the country is really really stupid for this? because this is literally unfathomable in america. I just hope the people of brazil aren't as dumb as the reporters n police..cuz thats insane level of BAD. I didn't know these types of pros could handle such a thing in the worst, dumbest manner possible. Hope brazilians knew how dumb this was and not the way
This is evil no one can escape God judgment of condemnation if they don't repent of their sins no matter what sin
Do you know Jesus Christ can set you free from sins and save you from hell today
Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven
There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today
Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell
Come to Jesus Christ today
Jesus Christ is only way to heaven
Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void
Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today
Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
Romans 6.23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
Ela é um verme, é triste que ela ou o programa não tenham sido punidos.
I can’t believe they sent Niara back into her hostage situation. I can’t even imagine her trauma.
I am just floored by how almost every single person involved with this situation couldn’t have handled it any worse than they did. The news anchors, the reporters, the police, the negotiators, and even all the random bystanders who were there at the scene only to get a few seconds on TV to smile and wave, as if children weren’t being held by a deranged man in the building they were standing outside of. What the hell were these people thinking? It’s just fucking disgusting, there’s no other way to put it. Every one of them are irredeemable.
It's Brazilian culture...
Only ones that can be forgiven are the police and negotiators because literally every plan they had was being killed by the news announcing it, the fact that they let people announce it in the first place after the first time and not finding a way to kick them out still makes them accountable though, just less
They think it’s entertaining. Like people watching this vid
@@Enrommie False equivalency. Should any information on this subject, or other subjects like it, just not be written about or talked about because now we’re making it “entertainment” in the same vain as the news anchors who were involving themselves into the situation as it occurred? The two are not even close to being the same bro. Given different approaches to their involvement and reporting, the news anchor wouldn’t even have been the bad guys for broadcasting the situation. No one is saying that them doing that is bad, it’s how they went about it.
The way Nick delved into the topic was fine and didn’t sensationalize it in any way, all he did was explain what had happened. The entire premise of the video is to highlight a dark moment in media history, as is the common theme for his entire channel, so obviously people who are interested in those types of things will watch this because that’s the stuff that piques their interest. I find that to be hardly comparable to outright exploiting a hostage situation in real time for artificial “entertainment” and TV ratings, especially since this event is now years in the past and not something that is still urgent and dire.
I saw your other comment on here basically saying the same thing, that Nick and the viewers are acting like the new anchors lol, and I already just explained why that statement is a braindead take. I can only assume you’re just trying to be some edgy doomerist without actually putting some thought into how to spin it on us in a convincing, logical way.
@@MadeOfBlissPerfectly said, I don't know if this is true for other people, but I enjoy Nick's videos, not because of Nick himself or even because of the "visual" aspect of it (it would be great with or without it), but because this made me genuinely curious on a case I had never heard of, explained it with plenty of detail without trying to be overly dramatic, and, at the end, left me with knowledge I previously would never had known. That, in its essence, is what good "true crime" is, and I applaud Nick for it. He didn't try to be entertaining, he tried to be informative.
I'm just glad that people remember Eloá, and not her killer. People tend to forget that killers have victims, and focus only on the assassins themselves. But we can't give them the spotlight. We should remember Eloá. Specially the terrible spectacle that the media made out of this entire situation.
Yeah, that is a very unusual case in that regard, of the famous brazillian police cases that is the only known by the victmin's name
Very true. I absolutely hate true crime for that exact reason. I don't understand why it's so easy for people to become desensitised to things like this. Like do people not understand that other people have whole entire lives, hopes and dreams? Their pain is not entertainment and the perpetrators are not quirky little case studies.
This is common in Brazil because criminal cases are named after the victims, not the perpetrators. This case, for example, is called Eloá case.
@@picoparadox461 Some cases are, but most are named after the criminals. For example, the "Maníaco do Parque" case
It’s sick how UA-camrs make ad money off of victims misfortunes. The true crime popularity is really terrible.
as a brazilian, i'd like to add that when the "especialist" that was interviewed said that things would "end in pizza", he didn't mean that literally as you interpreted it to be - "things will end in pizza" is a popular saying in brazil to mean that no matter how serious a situation is, it'll likely wrap up with zero consequences to those involved; it was more like this dude was just shrugging the situation off and saying "eh, doesn't matter, nothing's gonna come out of it anyway"
As a non Brazilian thank you for clarifying...that makes it so much better.....
Ahhh that makes more sense. Thanks for the explanation
Thank you for that explanation.
That's a good explanation, thank you.
Exactly, he said that
31:19 No. The media will always be heartless. The police were responsible for securing the scene. Cameras were directly hurting the case. And the police ignored it.
And not only his sentence was laughable, Lindemberg got the right for temporary release from prison in 2024, this year, by the BraziIian justice system. His ludicrous sentence ends in 2046.
I was 15 when this happened, I remember this so vividly because it was everywhere. I remember watching the news with my parents and I asked them why didn't they just stopped recording and helped her? 'the media makes money on blood' my dad told me then and...it was the most horrifying and saddening reality check I've ever had. Rip Eloá,I'm glad the world is knowing about your story because you deserved so much better.
Name of the character in your pfp?
@@stubborn-red-head I drew it. It’s me
I think I lost a piece of my innocence.
@@brunabaththe art is amazing!
Knowing a story is not what's important.
What's important is learning from it.
How in the ever loving hell could you ever justify putting a hostage victim back in to the hostage situation?
I had to rewind the video. WHO came up with such a thing. If it was a movie I would walk out of the theatres for how poorly written it is!
Ok I'm seeing a lot of non Brazilians questioning this, she begged then to re-enter the home to help her friend and not a justification, the decision to let her in was dumb, but a explanation
@@arte4391thank you for explaining that but…a 15 year old girl…no backup or cover whatsoever…that is pure stupidity regardless
God loves us all I pray she is in a better place 🙏🤍✝️🕊️
@@arte4391brazil moment
It gets worse. The reporter snd host, Sônia Abrão, the one who interviewed Lindenberg through phone, is known in Brazil to be a professional clout chaser, with her show being full of sensationalism. She later said in a radio show she didn't regret any of it and that people were just jealous of her "perfect job" covering the situation.
She was also actually invited to testify by Lindenberg's attorney, but refused bc she wasn't notified, _but_ was happy her show got mentioned in the process.
She is disgusting and should've held accountable for Eloá's death as much as Lindenberg.
may he not have a peaceful moment ever again
She's just the worst ngl
"perfect job" covering the situation of a dead girl.
imagine being this much of a degenerate fucking narcissist
as a Brazilian, not proud of this piece of information. neve knew about this
Yeah, she's going to hell.
What
The
Fuck
.
I hate this person so much. The level of delusion is insane.
The thing that always disgusts me is stories like this is how romanticized abusive behavior is when it's done "for love" or "our of love". Somehow traumatizing someone, hurting them is ok or even romantic because "he did it because he was so madly in love". Passionate love is not holding someone hostage and beating them in anger. If you genuinely love someone, you don't hurt them. If "love" makes you hurt them, you never loved them in the first place and you're a toxic person who needs help. Love is not an excuse for harmful behavior.
We humans are doomed
that expert who said they were gonna get married after the whole ordeal was some genuinely insane shit
Never seen cops give someone MORE hostages. Those reporters are infuriating and should all be charged as accomplices…
its so crazy, they could have offered cops to come in as meat shield (since it was the reason for him to want the girl back) but no instead they brought back an obviously traumatized teenager who is NOT trained to handle this
If a television station did this shit in America the whole station would be burned down and the police was going to be charged!!!
wtaf Brazil??? just how?
17:50 Wow, the "boys will be boys" argument that lawyer made is absolutely disgusting. That poor girl, being held hostage by her abusive, pedo boyfriend while being gaslit by the press.
Yeah that part specifically was so infuriating to me. That man is a pig.
"I see a marriage in their future. With the boy and his passionate girlfriend."
He clearly knows humans.
People like him shouldn't be allowed to have a voice, I'd say.
@@FirstFamilyCharger the lawyers get paid to do their job they dont like these people either
its his job reta*d
@@jocm99 xenophobic asf
RIP Eloá. My uncle split his time between Brazil and the US before he retired, and he was in Brazil when this happened. When he got back, I remember overhearing him talking about it. His daughter was the exact same age as Eloá and Nayara, and it really shook him. He was on the verge of tears telling my mom about it, and he’s not the kind of man to show emotion.
Did you smash tho
Must have been very traumatic
@@veronikabasholova9419 I saw this live as well, I was around her age so it was particularly difficult to watch. Oddly enough, I dont remember that there were so many screw-ups.
This is the single most frustrating thing I've ever seen, and I watch a lot of true crime and stories about inept police officers.
07:35
"I'm not your girlfriend"
The courage it takes to say this to someone who groomed you and beat you since you were 12 while he has you at gunpoint...
I thought that was a sloppy move by her. Her secret serial murder dad probably didn’t give her the best survival skills though.
what is wrong with you. Like genuinely.. To act like this towards a 15 year old who was murdered by a pedophile is vile. Please seek therapy.@@hamza7518
@@hamza7518came to the comments to find this. I don’t think it’s courage but stupidity. Why engage the perp ? Play along and survive. Latinas are built different lol
Wow.
@@hamza7518well it’s not a strategy game I doubt she’s planning her next moves 🤨
“The two fell in love… she broke his heart.” No. He was a violent, abusive pedophile and she was his victim
Indeed…
Seriously!
Say every bullshit to twist the story to gain more exposure. What a fuck up goal
Pedophile? Do you even know what the word means?
What was up with this weird ass narrative the news kept trying to spin? "He is treating you well" "You two will make up over pizza". Why the hell were they so dead set on making him seem like he wasn't such a bad guy when there is clearly a stacked deck saying other wise?
19 and 12 years old? No, they didn’t “fall in love.” That man groomed and preyed on a child.
Let’s not normalize predatory behavior.
Most Brazilian women have their first child at 15/16. They arnt having them with men their age, either, because the average age gap in Brazil is 8 years. This isnt just "accepted" there. Its common, and preferred by the women. She also slept with him the first day they met.
@@GeneralofVinceArmyok pedo enabler
@@spoons250that's pretty much victim blaming, all u said lol
I mean, 19 and 12 is nowhere near as bad as the grooming going on in the American public school system with all the gender nonsense lol. But yes, all grooming is vile and disgusting, including this case
sick. grown men dating children is sick and should never be normalized simply because it exists
Her father being a killer on the run is the biggest plot twist i have ever seen
She didn't "break his heart." She left an abusive relationship and he couldn't deal because he was an emotionally immature, selfish, pedo scumbag.
not sure if i heard this correctly, but the way that interviewer suggested shortening his sentence to a year despite the crimes he committed and tried to justify it by saying he doesn't have a criminal record. its so shameless, they treated the entire thing like it was a show for entertainment
you okay ?
@@originalSiiiNthey are right tho
@@kushinaa1XD who is right?
The person you first replied to
As someone who is brazilian, this case is sickening and the fact that the culprits weren’t correctly sentenced is just… horrible. Unfortunately, Brazil’s justice system is really flawed and this kind of thing is actually common, which causes a lot of polemics that never change something. Also being able to understand what the calls really say is even more sickening, bc it’s possible realize how desperate Eloá was or how mad Linderberg sounds, specially by the words they choose to say. The interviews is also maddening to hear, because the reporters are clearly unprofessional on what they’re trying to do and the first guy is so…cold with Eloá and many of the reporters kind of make Linderberg seem like a good person, when he clearly wasn’t.
Descanse em Paz, Eloá, pois o que você passou é algo que ninguém merece e que onde quer que ela esteja, seja um bom lugar.
Ainda dá tanto ódio lembrar
Brazil is a shit show and this barely scratches the surface of its issues.
really? there are plenty more horrible moments
Te entendo irmao, ainda fico puto só de lembrar o quanto a midia AMOU se colocar de corajosa em "ajudar" no caso. Foi vergonhoso demais
eu tinha 2 anos na época, e n lembro nada, mas até hj tudo no brasil parece estar regredindo...
He wasn’t ’heartbroken’, she didn’t break his heart. Possession isn’t love. The media discussion of this being a ‘young lovers quarrel’ when she was clearly trying to escape an abusive relationship is gross and incredibly disturbing. You can’t love what you don’t respect and if you wish to possess another human after they’ve rejected you, you sure as hell don’t respect them. Saying he was ‘broken hearted’ is victim blaming, and I know that wasn’t the intention- just be mindful of that kinda language because unfortunately there are men (not the majority, but enough that it is dangerous) that hear that and justify the actions of the killer. He was angry that what he perceived to be his property disrespected him, that’s all. That’s not love.
Love is love. No stories, no drama, no death. Get with it people.
Exactly. He wasn't heartbroken, his ego was bruised. Two completely different things.
I don’t think this comment is necessarily correct. Not all love is good and it can be possessive. Love is not a justifier but may be an explanation for terrible things.
@@svarogwolf That's not a healthy definition of love at all. What you're tallking about is infatuation or lust, which can become possessiveness and abuse. Love is when you put another person before yourself because you want the best for them, because you truly care about them as people and about their wellbeing, with or without you. Anything less is _not_ love.
@@angelamorpheus1904 Not all love is healthy
The news reporters should definately be held accountable for this, but respect to all the officers who tried to save Eloa despite immense pressure by the news coverage and everyone at the scene.
This little girl was a victim from the moment she met this monster! A 12 year old little girl and a 19 year old man!? Not only was he a preditors and a filthy abuser, but he would ultimately take the life of this innocent little girl.
It’s normal in Brazil. Average age gap in Brazil is 8 years and most mothers have their first child at 15/16 with a man at least 6 years older than them. It’s preferred by the women there.
@@MandenTV For the love of god, Do Not say "Preferred".
@@MandenTVfound the pedophile bro your everywhere defending pedophilia.
@MandenTV Who cares if it's the norm? It's still gross. Something can be "normal" and bad at the same time. There's a lot of things that are very socially acceptable but shouldn't be.
@@chrissilva1034 lol bro, look it up. Plenty of 18+ women were surveyed in Brazil for almost a decade as part of a study and found that the overwhelming majority of mothers over the age of 18 preferred having their children young with men older than them. I’m not saying it’s not gross, because it is, I’m just laying it out there. Cultural relativism is wrong.
This is genuinely the worst thing to ever air on TV. Unlike several other tragedies shown on TV, this was SO preventable. But greed and incompetence got in the way. The whole thing was just absurd. RIP, Eloa.
What else is new
As someone who watched this live, the police had plenty of opportunity to end the situation with snipers; the kidnapper exposed himself A LOT OF TIMES, but due to press being always present and pretty much defending the guy rights as well as exposing every move from the police, they couldnt take action and Eloá died.
Also, ending in pizza is a slang for there wont be any no real consequences; aka the girl would forgive him and his sentencing would be minimized
damn, they got it right linden burg got 30 years
@@theoneandonly7019if you think 30 years is low don't look at japanese killers
@@sicthemutt do not highbrow at me kid. i’ve seen their sentences
@@theoneandonly7019 is 30 years at a Brazilian prison. They would beg for a life in prison in the USA lol
Yeah that's what I was asking myself, where is the f...ing sniper?? Do they not have smth like that in Brazil? Whole situation would've been over after a few hours if a sniper had been there. Crazy.
I suddenly found this channel last night and had been binged watching since. You are a great story teller. Sorry for the lost life, so young and innocent life, gone too soon.
This reminded me of another horrific moment here in my country, the 2010 Manila hostage crisis. Basically, an officer took hostage of a Hong Kong tourist bus due to feelings of being unfairly dismissed from his job and just wanted his side to be heard. Unfortunately, the media and the cops failed horrifically, with the cops arresting the officer's brother and the media broadcasting every single thing happening for the officer to watch from the bus' TV, escalating to him shooting everyone in the bus, killing 8 and himself. The fact that the news did not cut away at all despite a body fully shown limped inside the bus' door is telling. Both cases just a horrible display of unprofessionalism.
Anything for the ratings, eh? I wonder if this is the standard journalists during Noli de Castro's time held themselves to, if they would have acted differently or if they'd have the sense to avoid certain actions that might escalate the situation into something worse
@@digressingalice2764 Its ABS-CBN after all. Its no wonder why they got the ire of Duterte a lot. ABS-CBN in terms of ethics can veer away from anything that suits their end game. The best thing ABS-CBN has is the entertainment and the live news coverage for real time disasters like Typhoons. ABS-CBN basically just went out there and made everything from doable to so bad that if TV5 weren't now a shit hole of a channely anymore, I would've permanently shifted to TV5
Reminded me of this as well. Pride, ego, from so many people led to so much death. Incompetence from the people we should supposedly be trusting our lives with. So tragic, and so eye-opening.
This reminds me of another hostage case in brazil called the kidnapping of the 174 bus, where a man kidnnaped the bus and started saying that He would kill everyone in the bus, the Police tried to negociate with him, but with no success, in the end, one of the policeman tried to kill the man and actually killed a woman.
This case is still very know because of the police irresponsability.
I Remember watching this live when i was a kid
Saying that SHE broke HIS heart is a bad start, it's a pseudo-justification of his actions. Blaming her, the victim, for what he, the criminal, chose to do by classifying it as a "reaction" to her escaping the abuse. He beat her up and then got angry when he couldn't beat her anymore. That's not being heart broken, that's being a psychopath.
also lindenberg is a pedo…
Glad someone else is pointing out the iffy wording, I thought it was just a me issue
I don't think that's victim blaming, because it's basically what happened. It was a reaction, A bad reaction, but it's still what he felt after the event, morally justified or not. I don't see how that statement is justifying any actions, it's simply stating that the action of breaking up caused him to break his heart, which is literally just a verb phrase. Is it a reaction, its how he reacted, because that is a fact and not an opinion. That is how he reacted. If you're trying to say that heart broken is a understatement, I still don't know how that is pseudo-justification
And if you're saying that the creator is hinting that she indirectly caused it, that is really up to debate. it's probably not known if she was directly, indirectly, or not at all the reason for the kidnapping, even then, I doubt she would've known, you can cause something and not be at fault. She did break his heart, but that doesn't mean it's her fault for his actions.
If someone doesn't want to date you,guess what? There are thousands of others to date
the news crew actions were utterly disgusting, they were treating a human life on the line as a way to get good ratings
I wish actions were taken against them.
some people just have no humanity in them
reminds me of the bus that was on a hostage situation and the fucking reporters asking hostages how did the feel, while the hostage had a gun to their head.
@@1y3911A couple of comments say the opposite! Some of the media people got shows and money after what happened...
@@silvsevie "The Manila hostage crisis?"
Social media is the DEVIL. All those people smiling and waving…. WOW😢😢
growing up in Brazil this case was all over the media, it's crazy how fresh in my memory everything is
What year did this happen? I’m from the US but even I remember something’s from it
october 2008@@christianthompson7915
@@christianthompson7915 happened in 2008.
Same, I have vivid memories of seeing it everywhere on TV when I was a kid. Sad thing is that this isn't the only instance of Brazilian media shamefully ruining people's lifes for being so incompetent and greedy.
@NotVille_ I agree with you. Your content is the best thing i've ever seen.
There is a documentary called "Quem Matou Eloá?" (Who killed Eloá?) directed by Lívia Perez on how the media played a huge role in her death. Sonia Abrão is one of these polemic TV show hosts but I think interviewing Eloá's killer during all this was the worst thing her show has ever done. Just sickening. 2008 was a rough year with the Nardoni case and this one here.
What’s the Nardoni case?
It's about Isabella Nardoni, a 8yo girl who was killed by her father and stepmother. She was thrown out the window of their apartment by her own dad. If you search "Isabella Nardoni" on Google you may find some articles about it in English.@@theonionqueen3519
@@theonionqueen3519 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_Nardoni_case
@@theonionqueen3519 Dad defenestrated 5yo child.
@@ZGtxNot just that. She was choked to death and had broken wrists before the fall.
Every adult in that girl's life needs to be ashamed for a wide variety of things. From her parents for allowing her to date a man that old, to the negotiators who made such poor decisions, the police for not forcing the media away from the site, to the press's abhorrent, leeching behavior. That poor girl. Her poor friend.
Her mother said she talked to her, gave her advice and didn't think it was cool for her to date early because she was a child, but she accepted imposing limits on the relationship because she believed that prohibiting her would not solve the problem. She does not exclude her share of the blame, but from what I understand from her report, she believed that even if she forbade her daughter, she would date him anyway. So she preferred them to date with her consent rather than secretly.
You blaming the parents is weird asf you as in all us don't know if she kept her relationship quiet....or just lied
@@worldofdaisy._ Would you rather let a grown man prey on your underage daughter just because she "consented"? Wtf is wrong with you?
@@liu.calazans Just call the police on his pedo ass
The world is a big place and have many different sides to life, and meanings of how it should be lived..
This kind of stuff, and worse happens more than we like to think
It’s a wonder how Eloá was the only casualty with the criminal incompetence of everyone “negotiating” with her killer. Still, if it weren’t for the blood thirsty news outlets & the bafflingly stupid decisions of the police, her death probably could have been prevented, too. I hope all the survivors are doing well after such a traumatic event
me if I was still young. knowing my own race done this to me. I would go nuts and don't trust anyone ever again.
"EVERYONE HELPED my kidnapper. giving him food, giving him full view what's happening outside, my friend escaped and toke him back to my kidnapper in a brink in a eye, people that are watching acting like is a fucking show smiling, laughing and making peace signs, police toke there very sweet time to even try to help us. because of all of this almost everyone in the room died even my best friend." *later people paying there respects to my dead friend* "DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE ACTING LIKE YOU CARE! because of every one of you people my best friend is dead!"
like really what the fuck is wrong with all of those people? even if you tell someone this all in detail. NO ONE would believe you. and people does this thing "is all fun and games untell someone dies" and that's when everyone fucking gives a damn even if most of it was there own fucking fault in the 1st place.
@@rickydiscord7671 Just because two or more people are the same race that doesn't mean their gonna get along with each other. People commit crimes agaisnt each other all the time including people from the same race.
@@PeterGriffin11 I was saying as a example that's why I say "if". I already knew how fucked up the world is since I was 5 and I became more aware when I hit 7. also humans are humans no matter the color, bloodline, gen, bone and muscle, human is human there is no difference. is just rare to see light from all the darkness we are covered in.
I know you’re referring to this case specifically, but I just thought it would be relevant to mention how this isn’t even the only time a hostage died for absolute negligence by the police/media. There was another case in Brazil where a woman was taken as a hostage by an armed man in a bus. The police and the man were communicating via the woman writing his requests in the window of the bus with her lipstick, and after hours of trying to set up a trade or a way to save her, the snipers tried to kill the armed man and shot the hostage, which prompted the robber to shoot her three more times, killing her. I’m pretty sure it was also broadcasted on tv but I personally never watched it. It’s extremely sad and disgusting how this type of thing happened not once but twice
This is hardly the only situation that TV news directly led to fatalities, and the US has its fair share, too. The style of highlighting names & disseminating manifestos led to the UnaB/m/er & countless others, and copycats wanting to see their names emblazoned for their "B count" or "the only way to do one impactful thing with my life" or "high-vis revenge" on a person or group. Then there's the anchor who couldn't deal with the "bI□□d and gu+s ᴨewṣ" anymore (and she'd tried to get ger superior to understand for months on end). And the incumbent who'd done no crime but whose name was dragged through the mud for things he hadn't done but the world had decided c/o the news gleefully spreading the lies, so he held a press conference and a large manila envelope (Filter's song "Hey Man, Nice Sh♡t" was about him). Geraldo famously aired himself from a secret military hideout that got a lot of people fired & "fired" as well. The fiasco with Janet Reno with the Cuban boy...
Those are all just off the top of my head & US-specific cos I noted the parameter for whatever reason. Everything is an absolute shxtshow.
The news crews running to the ambulance to get a glimpse of the dying Eloa is sickening. First time hearing about this case disgusted me. From the news crew and police, its terrible how they handled it. The news even saying the guy was just young and in love. its why many people hate the media, as they tend to blame the victim. also because of them at the scene they give him what he wanted. Fame. The fact that they said he was young is absolute bullshit
Name of the character in your pfp?
@@stubborn-red-head Neo
It's a pattern. Alot of the victims in the toxic relationship always gets called the bad one. That can't be a coincidence
I live 10 minutes away from the building where Eloá lived and I remember all this happening, it was insane. I remember vividly how shocked I was when they allowed Nayara to go back into the apartment. The whole thing was a shitstorm, police weren't prepared, the midia was specially disgusting (Sonia Abrão is the scum of the Earth) and the fact she died and he lived just makes me so mad. Contrary to what some people might say about his sentencing, it wasn't "light" (it was, but let me finish), 30 years is the maximum possible jail time anyone can get for any crime in Brazil, there is no "life in prison", so he was punished with the maximum legal amount of time possible, even though most people would think 30 years wasn't enough, that was the best law could do.
On a little side note: To hope something ends in Pizza is an expression we have in Brazilian Portuguese and it means something is going to be inconsequential. Like all parts are just going to let go of the matter and get together for some pizza.
That’s so fucking crazy that 30 years is the max sentence. Thank you for your input! I’d love to know more of your thoughts on this matter.
@@theonionqueen3519norway is 21 years, Portugal and Paraguay are 25 years. Most countries don't have a maximum. But the ones that do are usually around 30 to 40 years max. Some countries a little bit more than that.
30 years is pathetic, just a lack of common sense.
As a poor country Brazil has a really high crime static, which mean criminals and their families are a actual relevant voting base, that and corruption is all way up there so politicians need to protect themselves in case they get arrested at some point. So the laws for sentencing are very lax on purpose.
Cap
Your channel reminds me of the early days of UA-cam, where everything and anything can air on UA-cam. Great job!
i can not believe how horribly managed this case was…. letting a VICTIM of the kidnapper back onto the scene at all is nuts let alone a DAY after and her being a MINOR!!!!!! They really could have saved eloa’s life but they failed…
That's a piece of Brazil for you.
That's kinda the reason some people like to satirically call us "Banânia". 😂
Agree
@@caduhidalgo4996 ouvindo isso só consigo lembrar daquele policial influencer que vivia indo em podcast e colocou a vítima de volta no cativeiro depois do resgate pq ele tinha esquecido de gravar. A PM é uma vergonha
What are you asking to do the police was sending backup and when he said don't bring backup the police have to comply the police in this situation always loses
A what happened there
B media criticise police for not sending and ending at once if media wasn't present then police could had shown professionalism
The entire world needs to see this shameful moment in my country.
Yes
Yeah, it's absolutely awful and selfish that the media did this and didn't get punished for it
I know reporters didn't get legal repercussions but do you happen to know if they got social repercussions?? did their actions in this case at least got them fired or outcasted?
@@ratpacks9781no. the person who was the main culprit, Sonia Abrão, still has the same program in the same tv station where the whole Eloá fiasco was aired. and she even said she doesn't regret a single thing she did about this case.
@@zhangtthewsickening
The bystanders smiling, cheering and waiving to the cameras says a lot about society and everyone wanting to be the center of attention without regard to the lives that are in jeopardy. The conduct of the media is reprehensible! For the lawyer to say this girl will end up marrying this psycho abuser! Wow
That clip of everyone waving and cheering felt like a scene from a dark-comedy satire. I forget that this type of mentality existed long before livestreams and social media, it's just easier to notice nowadays.
As someone who lives in a country similar to Brazil, it's really no surprise that they did that
that's just south america
Yeah that image sucked to see…
@@PollenEyeUh huh.
Sonia Abraao is not a news station. It’s a daytime talk show in RedeTV news station.
Brazil’s TV media has one big network. Globo. After the 90’s police coverage (which was done with a lot of sensasionalism) and a hijacking case in June 12th 2000, in Rio, where within hours, the whole country watched the event unfold, with a tragic outcome, Globo had decided to more carefully curate what to do in these cases.
However, as journalist and media workers know, one “journalistic criterea” to determine if a story should be broke is the fact that all other news outlets are doing it. Creating the domino effect you mentioned.
It took 18 hours for Globo to send a news team. 18 hours, by itself, made it more news worthy. But the fact other outlets had been doing it certainly contributed.
So when big Globo came into play, all networks tried to “up their game”. When that Sonia Abraao reporter called him, it was in such spirit. It was poorly received within Globo and among journalists. But at the same time, highly rated.
By that point, all outlets edged each other and the circus was too big. No one was at fault, though everyone was. At some point, there was no no covering anymore.
This is similar to Columbine. All the US media turned to Colorado that day, and following it as well. There was no end of it. But since school shootings increased as a byproduct of sorts of the coverage itself, the way it is done today is different.
Unfortunely, In Brazil, Rio’s case and Eloa’s demise did not change it. Last week we had another bus hijacking, and Globo (as all others) covered it. This time there were clear instructions not to divulge the suspects name or to show the bus itself on live TV. Only afterwards, when the situation ended, was it ok - this time without casualties.
Esse caso é uma vergonha para o Brasil, a forma como a mídia e a falta de profissionalismo da polícia assassinou essa menina.
sonia abrãao com a mão cheia de sangue, e até hj acha que t´certa
A mídia sobrevive de tragédia e horror, eles queriam que ela morresse pra aumentar audiência
@@guikatinskas eu fico ainda sem acreditar que a tv permite que essa mulher continue trabalhando como se não tivesse culpa em tudo isso.
@@pietroopendragon o verdadeiro show de horrores
o pior é que a mídia não aprendeu nada com isso até os dias de hoje... trágico
This incident would have been incredibly traumatic for Nayara as well. She was only 15 and was shot in the face while her best friend died because they were let down by the people meant to protect them. Nayara was very brave to able to speak out about this. I wish her all the best
They treated this like it was a movie purely for their entertainment. Absolutely disgusting and disturbing all around.
May karma catch them
Like all news stations
However much disdain you have for the corporate press, it's never enough. Absolutely despicable and vile institution.
My heart breaks for Eloa, just a girl so tired and scared and failed by the evil men and callous people around her, rest in peace.
figures you would absolutely disgrace her memory by making this a gender issue 🙄
figures insecure men like you would feel offended over someone critisizing a literal pedophile abuser/murderer.@@originalSiiiN
@@tristamfs3542 how dare you assume my gender...
@@tristamfs3542 this guy is like this in every comment and seems to be defending the murderer🤮
@@originalSiiiNas if gendered wording means anything in this conversation about the death of a child. thats such a minuscule detail to care about, you weirdo
The case of Eloá is widely regarded as a collective traumatic event for the whole country because of the way the media handled it. It shall never be forgotten.
This event really opened my eyes when it comes to how vile and disgusting modern media has become, over dramatising every single event. No matter how many people get hurt, how awful they treat the event, they will always do whatever they can to get viewership no matter how much it hurts the people
Reminds me of corporations… almost like the corporations are what run the media
over 30,000 people showed up to Eloá's funeral? why? they watched her suffer on television for days like it was a blockbuster thriller. they didn't deserve to be in the presence of her and those who actually cared for her.
This is probably the first time a UA-cam video has actually left me floored. Stunned. I just can’t wrap my head around what everyone was thinking.. She was failed, both girls were failed tremendously by everyone.
You did a great job telling this story though. Thank you for your hard work Nick!
For everyone interested, there was a similar situation in Greece back in 1998. A hostage crisis by a Romanian criminal named Sorin Matei. The situation had everything, the police were amateurs at best, the police chief of the entire country was injured, the media mishandled it, explosion, the hostage was murdered and then even the criminal himself died later very mysteriously.
The media was and will always be as guilty as these monsters
Munich Germany Olympics too.
Also the Manila Hostage Crisis had this situation
@@Lycan_Jediugh…they were so sloppy!!!
@@danielrosales2098 to be fair the plan probably had a good chance of succeeding if not for the freaking Press covering every second.
I’m brazilian and this was probably the biggest shitshow I’ve ever seen happen here in Brazil. From the abysmal lack of police training to the disgusting media coverage, everything about the case is a masterclass on how not to do things. I’ve majored in journalism and to this day the case is widely debated and considered the most catastrophic media coverage ever. Just so frickin awful and I feel so bad about it.
Great video, though! Extremely well researched and the footage brought some harsh memories, man! Love your stuff.
Are you really Brazilian?
I'm not & I can tell you that just about 50% of the videos on the graphic sites are from Brazil.
The other half is cartel videos from Mexico.
I've seen triple digits videos of people in Brazil being hacked to death on street corners. People lit on fire.
@@ClickClack_Bam "X percentage of videos" "i've seen X amount of videos from Brazil", no shit, it's a country the size of a continent, larger than contiguous USA, with over 200 million people, and Mexico has over 100 million.
Brazil is not even top 10 in murder rates, which means there are countries way more violent that people don't give a shit about simply because they're smaller and have a lower amount of people, go to any violent part of the US like Saint Louis, Detroit, or Washington DC and you'll see higher homicide rates.
El Salvador had like 4x or 5x Brazil's murder rate before that dude building the megaprisons took over and nobody gave a shit about it on the internet simply because it's small. Plus a lot of the videos from "Brazil" on the internet are not really from Brazil, i've seen several where people are speaking Spanish, even that "funkytown" Mexican cartel video got shared as "Brazilian cartel video" at one point.
@@ClickClack_BamWhat does that have to do with the post?
@@ClickClack_Bamshare the website bro, I want to watch it too
Brasil eh um lixo, ainda mais com aquele ex presidiário como presidente
Can we not call a 19 year old "dating" a 12 year old "being in love"??? He groomed and abused her.
The parents? How could they allow it?
@@Azulakayes thats what I'm thinking. they could have gotten the cops involved or taken matters into their own hands if they didn't do anything. i cannot imagine just letting it happen as if i were completely helpless.
@@avelynn5976they probably didn’t do anything with the cops because her father was a wanted man
@@Casterisks So? That's his problem, he shouldn't have made himself Wanted. Save the bloody child.
I blame the her parents and that pedo
4:25 nah, they didn’t “fall in love.” She was a child. She doesn’t know what love is. She was taken advantage of is what happened.
As a Brazilian, seeing how the media and mainly the Sonia Abrão show and her tv channel acted and literally murdered one person, and see how nothing happened to them and the recent declarations that Sonia herself stated that she do not regret what they did is so infuriating.
she's still working right? i googled her name and saw her instagram profile.
@@endor8witch yes. sadly Case Eloá was 15 years ago, it already left popular memory here in Brazil, she is very hated in general, but also still popular, your typical controversial "journalist".
@@blackwaltz463Reminds me of someone named Nancy Grace here in the US…
@@MSW96 yeah, they're the same style of sensationalist who always double down even when they're in the wrong.
I remember when all that happened when I used live in Brazil. I was around the same age as Eloá. It’s WILD that annoying a$$ professional yapper, Sônia Abrão, is still able to have a career and a whole tv show after this tragedy took place. Brazilian media ain’t serious, man.
The audacity of the legal consultant to excuse his behavior. Why would he downplay what he was doing . Why would she ever marry a guy like that.
He was talking like they're an old couple having a petty argument. He is so off
to make the hostage taker dude more easily persuadable into giving up. I woulda thought this was obvious.
@@krovvyyarbles I would agree with this. Felt like he was giving him a mental picture of a clear and peaceful "out", with the hope he'd process this and stand down. Might be way off, but that was my first thought with that. Tragic case all round though :(
Why werent the journalists removed from the area?!! This is ridiculous!! Every journalist and tv host had to be sued and jailed
As a Brazilian, this is one of the cases that enrages me the most. The root of the problem was that at the time the media was treating linderberg as this confused young man, who had his heart broken by his young girlfriend, and now was in a rampage. No one at the media seemed to realize (or bother to see) what he really was: a predatory, controlling pedophile, obsessed with this *KID* that was Eloá. Remember, she was 13 when they dated, by Brazilian law she couldn’t consent to anything bc she didn’t have the age to understand what a relationship even is.
With that sexist view of the situation, fueled by machismo and “boys will be boys” mentality, they all thought they could coddle lindemberg and reason with him, not realizing he was a cold hearted, volatile criminal.
It’s sickening and revolting.
A 19 year old man "dating" a 12 year old child and they're shocked he's mentally ill?🙄
22 year old man* and saying she ‘broke his heart’ while thins is sick
It's apparently nornal in Brazil and some non western nations. So u are basically calling all of Brazilian's mentally ill lol.
Well that is normal and should be more normalized
@@Gordonfreeman551found the p*do
@@Gordonfreeman551wtf?? Weird as hell. Nothing normal about that.
As a Brazilian journalism student, I think at some point during the course it should be mandatory to discuss this case and how the media handled it. Every journalist (or future journalist) should know about this case to learn what NOT to do in this profession.
no offense tho...this took place in 2008. it is already a time when news media around the world are polished enough to know what NOT to do. the fact that in brazil this was how it was handled spoke volume about the country and the general consensus of the moral and intelligence level there.
@@endor8witch except there are similar stories from other countries
@@endor8witch do you think Brazil is the only country in the world that would have done it like that in 2008? the journalists who did this stuff where used to talking about celebrities getting seeing with hookers or who slept with who last night in Big Brother Brazil, its literally gossip level stupid people that decided to jump in a story of a lifetime for a journalist. This is not different from the paparazzies that killed Lady Diana, or some of the stuff channels like TMZ still pull on this day.
@@endor8witch "no offense tho" then proceeds to offend the whole country because of some stupid people, in multiple comments on top of that. It's like seeing videos of north american cops being stupid/unprepared(which is something that happens everyday not just 2008) then calling the whole country stupid.
No offense but that's pretty stupid, no offense tho.
jornalismo é uma desgraça pra tudo
I was a preteen when that happened and since me and my family didn't have cable at the time, we were all watching it. I remember the ominous feeling I had watching it all unfold and the conclusion... it's infuriating to think that no one in the media suffered any punishment for this
if your mad about the lack of punishment don't worry they have a nice spot in hell waiting for them,
Journalists are scum.
@NotVille_wromg, and i will actively steer people away from your channel and expose it as a scam to as many people as i can and have them all boycott and report it until its taken down
what are you talking about?@@jocm99
GOD the way every minute that this video goes on my anxiety peaks is insane
I can’t imagine how Eloa would have felt if she survived the traumatic event and finding out her father was a murderer on the run.
Well one victim was a police cheif and the failed police are partially responsible for her Death. It kind of seems like some Karmatic Justice for Eloa. It just happened sooner than later. She was so beautiful and probably have a beautiful heart as well. May she rest in peace.
@@OverIt822 Yea, sucks she was taken too soon. I really hate how the media and negotiators treated this situation. Media trying to interview the captor and leaking everything that could have saved Eloa’s life.
And the negotiators for somehow thinking it was a good idea to have one of Eloa’s friend walk up to the room alone without backup.
I want lindeburg to be locked up for life not just 30+ years
I remember being a bit younger than Eloá and watching this all go down. It still baffles me how Sonia Abrao went off without facing any consequences. She's one of the most disgusting people in media to ever live, and to this day she still profits off exposing people and critizing sub-celebrities as if nothing ever happened. This girl's blood will forever be in her hands. Also, it's so frustrantigly common to portray literal stalkers as such romantic men... I can't tell you how many times an aunt or a friend's mom has told me that her husband had pursued her tirelessly and insistently for months or years until she finally gave in, just like that creep pursued after Eloá when she was a literal teen.
Just to enlighten you, there is a (nearly palpable) difference between stalking and being politely, non-creepily, respectfully patient, yet persistent. Did your aunt’s husbands or friend’s mom’s husbands hold them hostage at the tip of a gun in an apartment building? Did the husbands date those women when they were 12 years old, and the husbands nearly 20?
You can’t think in absolutes. An orange and an apple are both fruits… but they are VERY different things. Asking someone (of age) out and being told no, so patiently waiting and letting the person live their life before asking again in the future because you haven’t forgotten about them and truly do care and love them, is VASTLY different than stalking (tracking, harassing, assaulting, manipulating and even rapping and taking hostage)…
ah, yes, please do enlighten me about a social/cultural aspect very present in my country I've witnessed numerous times, feel free@@THEFlea1991
She wasn't even a teen yet. She was a 12-year-old girl when Lindemberg groomed and took advantage of her.
I bet most of the men you’re referring to are good to your aunts and mother’s friends. Life isn’t black and white. Ruining good mens reputation is no joke.. especially when considering male su!cide rates.
@@ImprovEyes-fc9fo what don’t you understand about the word „no”? If someone doesn’t want to date you and expresses it, and you just disregard that to be „romantic” or some shit, it’s disgusting. Women having autonomy over who they date is not the cause behind men’s suicide rates. You know what is tho? Men not taking care of their mental health and society applauding it, like seen in this video where they paint him as passionate instead of mentally disturbed.
This whole thing is baffling. Not just the normalising of an abusive “relationship” between a CHILD and an adult, but the moronic handling of the situation by everyone involved. You send a 15 year old hostage back in with no assistance? What did they think would happen? And seeing people smiling and waving for the camera, while Eloa was fighting for her life metres away, is sickening. As someone else in the comments said, this is so dystopian it’s surreal.
Unfortunately this kind of relationship is weirdly normalized here in Brazil, especially in some parts of the country. I myself know someone who actively defended a former relationship their boyfriend, who was 17, had with a 12 year old. No one else batted an eye, not even the child's mother, and this person defended him when me and others said this was wrong. It's still a very big problem nowadays even though most say it's a "thing of the past".
🙄 it would be less strainful on your mind if you realize different countries have different norms
@@YourCommonSinner Uhhhh Brazilians are VERY much against pedos. Do not put that upon them, random yt girl..
@@YourCommonSinnerit would be less strainful if you shut up
@@YourCommonSinner
you're right! it would feel so much better if i just accepted that being a pedophile and abuser is perfectly normal! how could i not have thought of that!
Nick your videos continue to blow my mind after watching you for years now 🤯 your channel is so underrated
Nick, there is a disturbing case in Brazil that could use some recognition. The victim's name is Paulo Pavesi, and the father is looking for justice since the year 2000. Won't put the details here so to not get caught by the algorithm, but you can search for the details online.
Here in brazil this case is used in journalism classes as a lesson for what no to do in these types of situations, It's a disgusting story that I had the displeasure to follow as a kid in the news, it was such a big thing that it is forever marked in my memory. Rip Eloa, may this at least serve as a cautionary tale and help us be better prepared
It's good that they're teaching this for what not to do. This is extremely careless
Hey Nick, as someone who grew up with DV, I just want to point out two things. Eloá didn't "break his heart." She was a child groomed by a predator who got out of an abusive relationship. He wasn't "broken-hearted." He would've had to love her to be broken-hearted, and he did not love her. He was angry that she was no longer under his control. He decided to punish her for trying to take back control of her life. That's how abusers work. They don't see their victims as people. They see them as property.
Exactly this ☝️
yeah it was super weird how he worded it
Was coming here to say this. He wasn't a jilted ex. He was a predator and a monster who pulled an "If I can't have her, no one can"
It was also weird to hear "despite the age gap, they fell in love and dated for the next two+ years". That would be fine if both were well into their adult years, but she was TWELVE. They didn't "date". He preyed upon her. They didn't "fall in love". He wanted a vulnerable person to control, and she was too young to realise the situation she was in.
Yes, thank you! This absolutely disgusted me as well. It's something that I see extremely often when it comes to men murdering a victim they were "in a relationship with". As if 1. It's kind of understandable why the bastard did what he did and 2. As if the victim doesn't really matter. It's gross if it happens in a case where people are both adults, but it's even more baffling when it happens with a pedophile and the person he groomed.
I usually think Nick words things well, but this was extremely weird and definitely a reason I'll think twice about watching next time he uploads
This is honestly the worst handling of any situation ive ever heard in my life. Like the negotiators and Media literally helped him, The Media intentionally. How do you RECAPTURE a hostage?!
The media treatment of this case is incredibly infuriating, all they had to do was turn the cameras off.
The fact that they sent her back to her accuser is so mind boggling to me.
The quality of this channel never ceases to amaze me :) Great job , Nick!
get lost @Seeyou776
Just another example that proves journalism died in the name of sensationalism.
Even though it’s been 10+ years since this happened, I feel so much anger for Eloa and Naiara. The way they took forever to even knock down the door broke me. God knows what those girls were thinking before police finally got inside. How heartbreaking.
Eloa was a bad-ass! I got chills after hearing her say " I'm not your girlfriend!" I would've been kissing his ass, telling him whatever he wanted to hear, but this woman was done with this psychotic loser and despite being in danger of losing her life, she refused to let that scumbag make claim to her. If there's a heaven, she is for sure a kickass angel 😇 Rest in peace, Eloa.
She was a child. Where the hell were her parents during all this?!
@nicwelch Well, her father was outside of the house when the psycho took her and the other boys hostages, but where they were when their 14 year old daughter was hooking up with this much older creep is an excellent question! I don't know the age of consent or the cultural norms of the country in which this tragedy occurred, so perhaps the parents didn't think of their "relationship" to be wildly inappropriate, but seeing this as an American, I couldn't help but wonder the same thing- where is this girl's father to beat the brakes off this punk!??!!? 🤔 Very tragic.
@@nicwelchher father was a criminal too, he fled from his state to avoid punishment before he met her mother
I was a kid when that happened.
Every major crime that involved children in my country, like Isabella Nardoni's, João Hélio's and the Pampulha Lagoon's Baby cases, always brought a mixture of confusion and terror in my younger self.
I always thought that adults could only protect children, like a natural law (I know the perpetrator was a teenager in this case, but still).
In a sense, that kind of thing made me question what would take for someone like me to be one of those cases, almost like a rudimentary existential crisis.
brazil is a really dark place if you really think about it
@@guisaglietti8256 Don't look into the Pavesi case then
It takes your innocence away when you learn how cruel and evil the world can be..
adults SHOULD be protecting children, especially their own/those that live with/near them
unfortunately, in probably a majority of countries, there are several adults with children who do the complete opposite
Cringe
been watching for a while and stumbled across this, one of your best videos!!
I was a kid when this whole thing happened, I didn't understand well the situation at that time but it was 24/7 on the tv. Growing up and realizing all the stuff i was seeing on tv was just a serious hostage situation being treated like a circus was devastating, rewatching all these clips in the video made me enraged.
Family members that work at the police say that nowadays they even study this case so they know what NOT to do in hostage situations and how to make sure the media won't intervein. It's truly one of the biggest shames in our country
Very good video! Brazil has some very intense cases so everytime an international channel covers them i run to see how they covered it
Also the fact Sonia Abrão is still an active tv jornalist and show host is upsetting, clearly showed 0 professionalism regards what she does
Every moment was an example of what not to do in a hostage situation! The whole thing was absolutely unreal
@@PigeonfoxYes! As he said, this case is used today to show what bot tô do in this kind of situation. To be honest after that I've never saw something like that happen again.