My recent mushroom trip, absolutely life changing. It's impossible to predict how they will manifest any one person's brain, but they definitely affect the pathways in faster than any other form of therapy. It's not about getting woke. In my case, I took the drapes off and met myself. I saw what I'm made of, and what are my most basic, honest feelings, fears, beliefs. Why I do what I do. Why I don't do what I don't do. I became myself. Very liberating. Very refreshing.
"The future of medicine is going to be shamanic" - Standing to applaud that one! Already we've got K for depression, fast forward a decade & LSD, psylo... these things will come of age as useful medical treatments. Whatever 'medical' means in this new context.
Requires research with dose determination. We are seeing cardiac events from THC infused lollipops and not your " grandpa's marijuana" ; increased cyclic vomiting from chronic, excessive? use. Every drug has limitations and side effects. "Reasonable use" an issue for some
LSD never did anything for my depression and I have used quite regularly for a bit. It got rid of depression temporarily while I was high and went back my normal depressed self when it wore off. Maybe it really is effective for some people or maybe its just a placebo effect. To me its nothing more than a really fun party drug.
@@asswhole4195 for me it cures any depression instantly. Either it doe work with your brain chemistry the way it works with mine (likely) or you have real life problems that are making you depressed (LSD won't fix anything if your life itself is objectively depressing)
@@asswhole4195 Sounds like you were hoping the medicine would do all the leg work for you. If you ever go to the Amazon to try Ayahuasca. Part of the healing part is the first week being on a strict diet of only healthy foods. Most places wont let you drink in the ceremony if you don't follow their rules. No caffine or booze. Not even sex is on the table. They do this because your current chemical balance in the brain is going to affect your trip. Doctors prescribe SSRI's for depression. SSRI's can be found in leafy greens and fruits. That's where the saying "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" comes from. Eating healthy is the best way to beat depression, the medicine as the shamans would put it.. is to simply purge your body of the impurities. If You muck it up again after with bad diet and unhealthy habits. You get sick again.. The tripping part as this guy said and I'm sure many shamans would agree. is just a bonus side affect. I've studied lots into plant medicine, and would also consider my self a phsyconaught. LSD imo is the worst you could possibly use unless you really know what you're doing. If you get dosing cycles wrong it will warp your sleep schedule and give you mild insomnia. That's Why the American and Russian governments tested it on soldiers for the amount it suppressed melotonin in the brain. It also can increases the amount of time you spend in a REM cycle of a sleep by 240%. Meaning you get a much deeper sleep when you do finally fall asleep. Which also means if you were having any bad dreams on this drug. The drug was making them last 240% longer. not so good for PTSD hense why it failed in the eyes of the army lmao. In small doses all psychedelics can increase performance. hell we banned an olympic runner for a positive test of thc. Tribe Hunters almost everywhere take small doses before hunting trips because they increases the contrast on every thing, enabling to see shadows and depth through branches better and amplifies sound. I've still yet to try African Ibogaine or mescaline but they are for sure on the list. Also Egyptian Blue Lotus. Lots more out there than you think. LSD and Shrooms is just what commonly grows in the west. Hope this helps.
Also major shout out to that nurse who was *_super_* cool when the police brought me in tripping my face off on mushrooms (600 paraphernalia counts) from a festival... she gave me the hug I really needed that night.
I'm an Ophthalmologist who mostly does cataract surgery at a VA facility. I'm probably the last person you would expect to agree with ZDogg's comments here, but I do agree. I help patients as much or more by listening and talking to them as I do by removing their cataracts, because life is so hard for so many people, and most people keep a lot of pain locked up inside themselves.
Omg! I LOVE this DZ! I totally agree that we have hit the wall in terms of ingenuity, invention, etc. We are in a time of opportunity to allow ourselves to imagine and create.
Nice "cadence" - Remember when we say - "I should have followed my mind" That statement alone brings into reality a "higher subconscious"state of reality +
So happy I found my way here. It is my belief that spirituality/mysticism and science do not oppose one another, rather they inform one another. The things that we consider science today were once considered witchcraft because the few were dabbling in things that the mass didn't yet understand. Things that are now foundational to how we experience our reality were once reasons brilliant minds were put through the ringer. It's an intricate dance throughout time that we see between things that are really just two sides to the same coin. I love hearing the overlap in conversations within the world of magic and the world of science. I deeply appreciate this content!
You ROCK ZDogg! I just rewatched this video ! And I love how you toss around psychedelics and medical healing . I’m on the other side of the body-mind spectrum, specializing in how reasoning goes awry.
I've been following your channels for over a year now. Your eloquence, humour and honesty have always been a breadth of fresh air. This was great, but I hope you don't get into any sort of professional trouble for this video. Thank you for doing what you do.
The use of psychedelics i believe comes from the yearning of spiritual connection. Humans are not just a mind and body. We all have a spirit that connects us on a deep emotional and physical level to each other, the earth, and God (in my opinion). Maybe instead of adding more "drugs" to an ever growing list of treatments we should just look at health in a holistic way.
DO student same vein. Might I ask what specialty you are considering and if/how you hope it could enable your desire to interface with the current dogma?
Totally agree with you … these drugs are not life detrimental … but life enhancing (if done under the right doses and circumstances).. meditation also leads you to similar Experiences. Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev has such tools for inner well-being… the way you articulated the whole experience and how science works was just fantastic … could relate with you with every word 🙂👍🏽
A long time ago, several years ago, there was a character done by famous stand up comedian Lilly Tomlin who was a homeless mentally ill bag lady. She said "In my opinion, communication is easier when you have the same hunch about reality that I do. " Does anyone else remember that character from her stand up routine?
This makes so much sense that it hurts. I mean, come on. You have to change the questions and the approach if you want to get different answers. Last minute of this or so is something I’ve been trying to articulate for years 🤯
From what i can tell, consciousness is self modeling..as such, it exists on every level that has the ability to model the world at all, and is broader, deeper, etc with more complex ability and power to model self.
Hi ZDoggMD, Thank you for sharing your perspective. It is great to hear a well educated, established physician talk about the potential benefits of having a psychedelic experience. Your comments about science needing to move beyond the current paradigms feel right on. Do you think that doing so will ameliorate the pervasive injustice in the world or will it give humanity more tools to marginalize large segments of the population?
Spot on! Only thing I'd disagree with is, "now in my elderly years". HAH! I'm 70 so I was at ground zero for this stuff, late 60's early 70's. Totally agree that there is so much more going on than we are aware of. Meditation, shamanism, spiritual healing, prayer...all that stuff eventually must be included in the medical paradigm.
LSD can give panic attacks too, but it also can give you the answers to your deepest fears. Just embrace those panic attacks and let it show you the reason for those panic attacks and when you do that it stops happening.
Psychedelics work on completely different receptors. It's easy for me to freak out on wees (I've been to the hospital thinking I'm dying cause I was too stoned multiple times) but I've never had a bad trip on psychedelics
I get the worst panic attacks and introspective mind prisons on weed, but can take some pretty large doses of lsd and mushrooms and feel infinite love and nirvana. I’m telling you right now, they are not the same in that way.... just my experience brother
Love it....this reminds me a lot of what Bill Hicks was trying to achieve all those years ago. I'm glad I was exposed to him at such a young age. Fascinating stuff, I've been wanting to go to medical school for so many years (30 now) but always had these hiccups about the reductionist approach. I realise now it's part of the story, but understanding the nature of consciousness goes a long way to explain the "spiritual" issues faced in healthcare (burnout, dehumanisation, suicide etc). Thanks for putting this out there ZDogg!
Thank you, this episode really speaks to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I grew up in a very scientific environment/reductionist environment. I find my entire worldview changing after seeing things like this.
Much of the things discussing LSD was argued in the sixties when Timothy Leary was prosecuted for using drugs to alter reality. I was just a youngster, but I remember some of that culture that came out of this movement. As pragmatic point of view, I saw little that was productive. Maybe the music and art has some interesting insights. The things involving the mind is intriguing. I've heard it said before that our brains are chemicals and electrical exchanges. In a pure materialist examination of the mind it invokes the law of causality. How can those chemicals and electrical exchanges have content without ideas? For me it's the chicken and the egg analogy. Which comes first, the ideas or the chemicals? In my view there can be no changes in material components of the mind without ideas that move that material. Causality demands explaining the effect by determining the cause. If there was only material components, the mind would be an empty vessel. It would be very difficult to pinpoint where ideas have their origin. How can we know if ideas are priori or posteriori? Could we control our autonomic functions if we trained ourselves? As for me, we live, move, and have our being in God, otherwise we would be nothing but pure potential, which is actually nothing. God must be or nothing could possibly be. This is Thomas Aquinas's analysis of necessary being.
what makes Psychedelics a fascinating subject is the fact that these substances are organised Molecules forming organised structures and working like Keys in a Lock producing a different way of seeing what we call reality I hope science finds those much needed safety and clinical use protocols so that we can understand them many thanks for your informative video.
who is this dood i fucks wit em. this is what i like to see a professional conscious man ima possibly take a couple tabs of acid tm but forsure this week and this video has brought my consciousness up a bit and i thank u sm for that. i wouldn’t say i learned anything new but u just reassured everything for me bc i always b questioning myseld it’s hard not to when the whole world around u is the opposite of what you’re about
Sometimes when a person in psychotic experience loses it there are things that can be done to balance the thing. Sleep and sort of stable environment with allow person some time before drugging them down It's also important to know if they're overdosed on it because that could predict the outcome of the experience. Because that create a sort off stress in the body and mind of the person.
Dude, I didn't know you were from the central valley! I lived there from when I was 10 to 21. I grew up in riverbank and Modesto. My formative years. I actually wouldn't change it for anything. I met a lot of fellow musicians there.
The world's best researchers on psychedelics are Roland Griffiths and Robin Carhart-Harris. Check them out. There are plenty of YT videos of them presenting their research. fMRIs, treatment for depression, PTSD, and so on.
Michael Pollan's book "How to Change Your Mind," goes right to the point Dr. Zdogg. I'm wondering if you read the book. The problem, as I see it, is that man (most) people do not have access to this kind of experience. I'm an old guy, and I will probably die before I can locate a suitable guide. Also, I loved your observations on reductionism in science. Reductionism is responsible, in many cases, for us NOT finding the answer. There is a time and place for reductionism, maybe.
I love you Z! But you don’t always need to do drugs to have that experience...like you mentioned. That’s the beauty of nursing. We speak the language of people and meeting their spiritual and emotional needs and assisting them on their journey with medical interventions
As someone who has done the stuff he talks about in the video (weed, shrooms, LSD), you really do need use those substances to have the experience he is talking about. It is surreal- and I don't use that word lightly. Being on those substances quite literally feels like the laws of the universe aren't quite working the same way. On some strains of weed, I could literally "see" sound. On LSD, besides the visual hallucinations, the way it changes your thinking and the way you see the world is completely changed. It feels like you are completely aware of yourself and everyone else. It gives almost a superhero level of clarity. It is incredibly hard to describe unless you have experienced it yourself. It is a very real, physical, measurable change in your perception of the world. It is not merely a spiritual or emotional change of state- and as far as I know, nothing comes close to emulating those experiences out in the "real world".
silly question: If you were told by the admissions committee way back when that you had to shave your head for the whole first year of medical school, would you have done it?
Just a question because I got curious thinking about it. Since it is decriminalized in a couple states and you can legally buy it in some states yet not others, do you still think that it is a gateway drug?
@@andrewmorita1706 hello Andrew! Thanks for the comment. I believe that with marijuana being illegal, then the only way to get it is through underground sources. This would be the “gateway”.
@@andrewmorita1706 I live in a state where it’s still illegal (Idaho) in this case people are driving across the border to get it. I would say that the black market for marijuana is no more here-cause they can’t compete with the quality.
Wow I was really not expecting this to get so deep. I feel like I didn't just come off of a night shift...I feel like I accidentally took some of my patient's really good meds 😅 (joking). All joking aside though I think you're onto something here. I just don't see practically how any of this is even close to happening or working in our lifetimes... But I'm interested in this idea because I can see that the things I am doing to (sorry *for*) my patients so often...are not even close to 'healing'. And I very much wonder why I spend so much time locked in a dark concrete building staring at a computer charting about my patients as they sit in a dark room by themselves...when I feel healed when I am outside with my hands in the dirt in my garden, watching my goats play, and hanging out with my dogs and being around nature. Being present in life is what I feel like we were all made to do, and *most* of my time I spend doing something that allows me to really live *rarely*. I was a wildlife biologist before I was a nurse, but I wanted to really help people, and I'm not sure that I am. Maybe in my third career I'll go full hippy and garden and share beautiful spaces I create and healthy food with people and talk to them about their health and their lives. I did always say I'd be a farmer when I grew up 😂 Biologist nurse farmer life coach/NP? Lol probably not.
I have a medical question. If you are actively seizing, would you be considered conscious or unconscious? In EMD one of the first few questions we ask is “are they conscious? Are they breathing?” Was curious about that
Dr. Damania, thank you for recording and publishing this interview for the public. I was impressed and riddled when you stated that any provider who has taken a psychedelic should not interact with patients. Would this not include any nurse/doctor under medical supervision? As you know, many nurses and doctors have access to pretty cool benefits and health insurance packages. If a health care professional had surgery with complex anesthesia or was prescribed psychiatric medication or had a number of other treatments, wouldn't that mean they cannot help patients within the healthcare system? Also, should medical and nursing schools accept students who have been under any type of medical care? Also, do you not have to take a medication before you give it to someone else?
He says the exact opposite, relisten to 4:57. No, you don't have to try all of the thousands of medications before prescribing them, that would be insane.
*copied from my Facebook caption upon sharing this video* If clinical trials ever existed for the use of psychedelics to treat schizoaffective bipolar type, then sign me up. I have never taken a psychedelic before, due to fear of how my mental illness will respond. But even if I was institutionalized and locked in a confined room for a while, I'd be happy to test psychedlics in the name of science, in a room where I couldn't hurt myself or others in case there was any negative interaction. I've been institutionalized twice before, so it wouldn't bother me to do it a few more times in the name of science.
*copied from a follow up message to ZdoggMD* No medical advice necessary, I am just in agreement that psychedelics might bring us out of extreme reductionism in the medical field. Again, I have always wanted to try psychedelics. Your video just gave me the idea of how I'd like to test it myself - I'd take some shrooms, then immediately have myself committed just in case anything bad happened as a result. I'd be in a safe place to experiment 😅 You don't have to reply, I understand replying to a message like mine would be risky for a person like you; I was just inspired by your vid and thought I'd give you my two cents as someone with mental illness.
I'm both a geek and a hippy but I've always had to hide my hippy side b/c it's not at all respected in my world. So I'm happy to see that both sides is a way to consciousness.
Of course you're on the right track. Late Xmas present for you, Zubin. What does it sound like when someone with synaesthesia tries to describe the nature of conscious agents? I'll even have her denounce the link between mind and body, reject space-time multiple ways, and provide not only the name of one and all conscious agents, but also the place they exist, in the simplest terms possible: ua-cam.com/video/AvyIpfjsu-o/v-deo.html
Not everyone has a phenomenal experience. It may open a predisposition or create a problem. I cared for a 16 yo developed Schizophrenia as did his teenaged sibling after LSD. I will never forget Art Linkletter's daughter thought she could fly, jumped out a widow with terminal trauma occurring. Taking a drug/medicine without knowledge of dose or if required weight based calculated worries me. Timothy Leary seemed to have a clinical approach with students monitored, at least in the beginning. Now I have to figure out which Moody Blues song mentions Timothy Leary😊
Sorry to say it and it’s tragic but there is a high chance that could’ve been NBOMe and that shit is dangerous I don’t think real LSD will cause you do things such as that or cause you to develop schizophrenia. The fake research chemicals posing to be LSD from street dealers are causing people to develop mental problems or causing them to freak out and kill themselves. Remember dealers don’t care about you for the right price. Especially remember “if it’s bitter, it’s a spitter.”
@@PapaZoltan incidents I mentioned occurred in the late 60's. I'm sure their were backroom chemists then as there have been for Meth and Crack cocaine, none of which is safe no matter who makes it. But look at us now with adulterated Heroin, which also is problematic. The human species is built with the potential for addiction, whether it is food, sex or drugs. Just do not want the illicit drug componenent. If course the current drug problem created by some greedy pharmaceutical companies, and inadequate knowledge and practices for pain management.
Research needs to be on psychedelics by a lot of different sources in a lot of different ways We don't know enough about this stuff and we don't know enough about human psychology We don't spend the time and effort we need on psychology to understand as much as we need to
Every time I take a psychedelic, I get psychosis and don’t sober up with any profound realizations. PCP, on the other hand….. has made me see the world for what it really is. DXM was also a beautiful substance.
Well, well, well, Zdogg. Consider me a critical kindred spirit. Not to worry about your personal reputation, your test scores are high. Dude, I think you've got a bit a straw man with reductionism as the main thrust of biological science. Maybe too much Molecular Biology, a bit short on ecology, for example? My experience of the past 50 years to watch with astonishment as they've taken it apart to the Nth degree -- and taken from that -- to synthesize it at unthought-of breadth. Anyway, this ZDogg sermon runs the the full gamut, brilliance to gibberish, absolutely first class, and I've heard Leary lecture (3 times, over 3 decades) and the good Doctor Tim couldn't do better, been waiting for you, man. It would be fun to wander with you by the creek and consider these issues in detail, Dr. Z. Also, by "Hoffman's book" I presume that's Donald D Hoffman at UC-Irvine?
I am 66 years and when I was 15 I took some LSD the hallucinations scared the crap out of me. I now have a real belief in the divine because I now know there is another reality that is outside our “ normal” belief of what reality is. I did it once and would never do it again. That is why striving for an alternate reality can be extremely dangerous psychologically without a spiritual mentor that knows what they are doing. It can cause a very very serious psychological breakdown. Either that or you are on your way to sainthood. Definitely not a good idea for teenagers or young adults.
I have felt like I needed access to the source code for the universe and a debugger for reality since I was in middle school. Some people and institutions are so clearly malfunctioning. How can we have laws that harm every person on earth and benefit no person, but rather a corporation? People write the laws, people pass the laws. Why the hell would anyone vote for such a law, let alone enough people to pass such a law?
Bro you mean the 5th dimension. We've been in the 4th dimension all our lives. 3 dimensions explain parameter space and distance, and the 4th is time. We all experience time. You needed a bigger hit.
When are healthcare workers with a legit medical condition, recommend for a medical marijuana card, signed by a physician, living in a fully legal state, can use this “medication” as a healthcare worker, without risking losing their job to drug testing!? A healthcare worker can come to work on all kinds of *prescription* medication, and that’s cool, but a medical patient with an MMMP card can’t use their medication after work? All because hospitals receive federal funding, and marijuana is STiLL federally illegal. I don’t think people realize the dilemma this creates.
I like the idea of meditation. I also like the idea of RCTs for the medicinal use of these agents which are growing in number. The unregulated, non-medicinal use is scary in our society (ie illegal street drugs), which is much different than a tribe in the Amazon using plants as part of their culture and spirituality. Great video!
There is no good argument against unregulated non-medicinal use with such safe substances. And defining 'medical use' is problematic. So some people are 'only' partying, so what? There will inevitably be a percentage of them who gain unexpected benefit, and the rest aren't harmed in any way. Psychedelics are 'the left hand path', a shortcut, to be sure, but they are very valuable because many people cannot or will not exercise the discipline to get there through meditation or other methods. In the current legal atmosphere of prohibition, there is so little recognized legitimate medical use that there is a huge wave of people seeking self administered therapies in legitimate efforts to help themselves where the medical and legal establishments are not. We cannot dismiss the valid work done by huge numbers of people in a grassroots movement just because the establishment has not yet caught up to reality.
My recent mushroom trip, absolutely life changing. It's impossible to predict how they will manifest any one person's brain, but they definitely affect the pathways in faster than any other form of therapy.
It's not about getting woke. In my case, I took the drapes off and met myself. I saw what I'm made of, and what are my most basic, honest feelings, fears, beliefs. Why I do what I do. Why I don't do what I don't do. I became myself. Very liberating. Very refreshing.
"The future of medicine is going to be shamanic" - Standing to applaud that one! Already we've got K for depression, fast forward a decade & LSD, psylo... these things will come of age as useful medical treatments. Whatever 'medical' means in this new context.
I agree...
Using shamanic instrument to reach altered state~
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Requires research with dose determination. We are seeing cardiac events from THC infused lollipops and not your " grandpa's marijuana" ; increased cyclic vomiting from chronic, excessive? use. Every drug has limitations and side effects. "Reasonable use" an issue for some
LSD never did anything for my depression and I have used quite regularly for a bit. It got rid of depression temporarily while I was high and went back my normal depressed self when it wore off. Maybe it really is effective for some people or maybe its just a placebo effect. To me its nothing more than a really fun party drug.
@@asswhole4195 for me it cures any depression instantly. Either it doe work with your brain chemistry the way it works with mine (likely) or you have real life problems that are making you depressed (LSD won't fix anything if your life itself is objectively depressing)
@@asswhole4195 Sounds like you were hoping the medicine would do all the leg work for you. If you ever go to the Amazon to try Ayahuasca. Part of the healing part is the first week being on a strict diet of only healthy foods. Most places wont let you drink in the ceremony if you don't follow their rules. No caffine or booze. Not even sex is on the table. They do this because your current chemical balance in the brain is going to affect your trip. Doctors prescribe SSRI's for depression. SSRI's can be found in leafy greens and fruits. That's where the saying "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" comes from. Eating healthy is the best way to beat depression, the medicine as the shamans would put it.. is to simply purge your body of the impurities. If You muck it up again after with bad diet and unhealthy habits. You get sick again.. The tripping part as this guy said and I'm sure many shamans would agree. is just a bonus side affect. I've studied lots into plant medicine, and would also consider my self a phsyconaught. LSD imo is the worst you could possibly use unless you really know what you're doing. If you get dosing cycles wrong it will warp your sleep schedule and give you mild insomnia. That's Why the American and Russian governments tested it on soldiers for the amount it suppressed melotonin in the brain. It also can increases the amount of time you spend in a REM cycle of a sleep by 240%. Meaning you get a much deeper sleep when you do finally fall asleep. Which also means if you were having any bad dreams on this drug. The drug was making them last 240% longer. not so good for PTSD hense why it failed in the eyes of the army lmao. In small doses all psychedelics can increase performance. hell we banned an olympic runner for a positive test of thc. Tribe Hunters almost everywhere take small doses before hunting trips because they increases the contrast on every thing, enabling to see shadows and depth through branches better and amplifies sound. I've still yet to try African Ibogaine or mescaline but they are for sure on the list. Also Egyptian Blue Lotus. Lots more out there than you think. LSD and Shrooms is just what commonly grows in the west.
Hope this helps.
Also major shout out to that nurse who was *_super_* cool when the police brought me in tripping my face off on mushrooms (600 paraphernalia counts) from a festival... she gave me the hug I really needed that night.
That’s the real placebo effect (literally, “I will please”): compassion. Compassion mixed with knowledge, that’s the essential shamanic tradition.
It's no surprise to anyone who does psychedelics that ZDogg is experienced in them. It's extremely noticeable in the fervor and conviction he has
I love hearing you speak. You have helped me immensely by reinforcing my own beliefs from my own experiences, through your mutual experiences.
I'm an Ophthalmologist who mostly does cataract surgery at a VA facility. I'm probably the last person you would expect to agree with ZDogg's comments here, but I do agree. I help patients as much or more by listening and talking to them as I do by removing their cataracts, because life is so hard for so many people, and most people keep a lot of pain locked up inside themselves.
Omg! I LOVE this DZ! I totally agree that we have hit the wall in terms of ingenuity, invention, etc. We are in a time of opportunity to allow ourselves to imagine and create.
Z dog I am listening to all your content. I think people like you are going to help people understand the shift. Whatever that means
This has to be one of the best videos I have ever seen.
*joe rogan has entered the chat*
Nice "cadence" - Remember when we say - "I should have followed my mind"
That statement alone brings into reality a "higher subconscious"state of reality +
So happy I found my way here. It is my belief that spirituality/mysticism and science do not oppose one another, rather they inform one another. The things that we consider science today were once considered witchcraft because the few were dabbling in things that the mass didn't yet understand. Things that are now foundational to how we experience our reality were once reasons brilliant minds were put through the ringer. It's an intricate dance throughout time that we see between things that are really just two sides to the same coin. I love hearing the overlap in conversations within the world of magic and the world of science. I deeply appreciate this content!
This video itself, along with sensitive hearing and thought-provoking messages was a psychedelic experience.
You ROCK ZDogg! I just rewatched this video ! And I love how you toss around psychedelics and medical healing . I’m on the other side of the body-mind spectrum, specializing in how reasoning goes awry.
And I love how you put meditation on par with tripping on psychedelics.
I've been following your channels for over a year now. Your eloquence, humour and honesty have always been a breadth of fresh air. This was great, but I hope you don't get into any sort of professional trouble for this video. Thank you for doing what you do.
“Have I ever done drugs? I went to Berkeley, dude”
Adnan A hello again
*starts applying to berkeley*
Please go on JRE
The use of psychedelics i believe comes from the yearning of spiritual connection. Humans are not just a mind and body. We all have a spirit that connects us on a deep emotional and physical level to each other, the earth, and God (in my opinion). Maybe instead of adding more "drugs" to an ever growing list of treatments we should just look at health in a holistic way.
As current psychonaut and aspiring MD, this is an important video.
greetings, can i be your friend mr m.d. of the future, i am a psychonaut and aspired d.d.,
Same here, brother!
DO student same vein.
Might I ask what specialty you are considering and if/how you hope it could enable your desire to interface with the current dogma?
Totally agree with you … these drugs are not life detrimental … but life enhancing (if done under the right doses and circumstances).. meditation also leads you to similar
Experiences. Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev has such tools for inner well-being… the way you articulated the whole experience and how science works was just fantastic … could relate with you with every word 🙂👍🏽
A long time ago, several years ago, there was a character done by famous stand up comedian Lilly Tomlin who was a homeless mentally ill bag lady. She said "In my opinion, communication is easier when you have the same hunch about reality that I do. " Does anyone else remember that character from her stand up routine?
This makes so much sense that it hurts. I mean, come on. You have to change the questions and the approach if you want to get different answers. Last minute of this or so is something I’ve been trying to articulate for years 🤯
From what i can tell, consciousness is self modeling..as such, it exists on every level that has the ability to model the world at all, and is broader, deeper, etc with more complex ability and power to model self.
Hi ZDoggMD, Thank you for sharing your perspective. It is great to hear a well educated, established physician talk about the potential benefits of having a psychedelic experience. Your comments about science needing to move beyond the current paradigms feel right on. Do you think that doing so will ameliorate the pervasive injustice in the world or will it give humanity more tools to marginalize large segments of the population?
"True Science". Amen, brother. This is the video our society needs. Thank you for speaking your truth.
It's not, you fucking druggie
Spot on! Only thing I'd disagree with is, "now in my elderly years". HAH! I'm 70 so I was at ground zero for this stuff, late 60's early 70's. Totally agree that there is so much more going on than we are aware of. Meditation, shamanism, spiritual healing, prayer...all that stuff eventually must be included in the medical paradigm.
Elderly lmao.
@@linhbanh4614 Geezers Rule (even when they drool!)!
i get immediate panic attacks from weed so ive always been jealous of ppl who are brave enough to try psychedelics
LSD can give panic attacks too, but it also can give you the answers to your deepest fears. Just embrace those panic attacks and let it show you the reason for those panic attacks and when you do that it stops happening.
Psychedelics work on completely different receptors. It's easy for me to freak out on wees (I've been to the hospital thinking I'm dying cause I was too stoned multiple times) but I've never had a bad trip on psychedelics
I get the worst panic attacks and introspective mind prisons on weed, but can take some pretty large doses of lsd and mushrooms and feel infinite love and nirvana. I’m telling you right now, they are not the same in that way.... just my experience brother
Love it....this reminds me a lot of what Bill Hicks was trying to achieve all those years ago. I'm glad I was exposed to him at such a young age. Fascinating stuff, I've been wanting to go to medical school for so many years (30 now) but always had these hiccups about the reductionist approach. I realise now it's part of the story, but understanding the nature of consciousness goes a long way to explain the "spiritual" issues faced in healthcare (burnout, dehumanisation, suicide etc). Thanks for putting this out there ZDogg!
Thank you, this episode really speaks to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I grew up in a very scientific environment/reductionist environment. I find my entire worldview changing after seeing things like this.
Lol totally crazy I literally had this conversation the other day and couldn’t agree more.
Much of the things discussing LSD was argued in the sixties when Timothy Leary was prosecuted for using drugs to alter reality. I was just a youngster, but I remember some of that culture that came out of this movement. As pragmatic point of view, I saw little that was productive. Maybe the music and art has some interesting insights.
The things involving the mind is intriguing. I've heard it said before that our brains are chemicals and electrical exchanges. In a pure materialist examination of the mind it invokes the law of causality. How can those chemicals and electrical exchanges have content without ideas? For me it's the chicken and the egg analogy. Which comes first, the ideas or the chemicals? In my view there can be no changes in material components of the mind without ideas that move that material. Causality demands explaining the effect by determining the cause. If there was only material components, the mind would be an empty vessel. It would be very difficult to pinpoint where ideas have their origin. How can we know if ideas are priori or posteriori? Could we control our autonomic functions if we trained ourselves?
As for me, we live, move, and have our being in God, otherwise we would be nothing but pure potential, which is actually nothing. God must be or nothing could possibly be. This is Thomas Aquinas's analysis of necessary being.
what makes Psychedelics a fascinating subject is the fact that these substances are organised Molecules forming organised structures and working like Keys in a Lock producing a different way of seeing what we call reality I hope science finds those much needed safety and clinical use protocols so that we can understand them many thanks for your informative video.
It is not science standing in the way of scientific progress. It is legal and social restriction.
who is this dood i fucks wit em. this is what i like to see a professional conscious man ima possibly take a couple tabs of acid tm but forsure this week and this video has brought my consciousness up a bit and i thank u sm for that. i wouldn’t say i learned anything new but u just reassured everything for me bc i always b questioning myseld it’s hard not to when the whole world around u is the opposite of what you’re about
He’s a medical doctor/UA-camr
Zdogg just gave me the Red Pill...Love you doc
hope the stars align for you and joe rogan to get together and chat
Omg : O
Sometimes when a person in psychotic experience loses it there are things that can be done to balance the thing.
Sleep and sort of stable environment with allow person some time before drugging them down
It's also important to know if they're overdosed on it because that could predict the outcome of the experience.
Because that create a sort off stress in the body and mind of the person.
How can they even begin to TRY to understand crazy people if they have never had their own mind bent? I AGREE!! (as usual).
Dude, I didn't know you were from the central valley! I lived there from when I was 10 to 21. I grew up in riverbank and Modesto. My formative years. I actually wouldn't change it for anything. I met a lot of fellow musicians there.
Watching ZDogg pulling a billy now number 1 on my bucket list 😂
Please interview Tom Campbell as well. Hoffman and him fits like a glove!
Jan Sandahl Yes please.
The world's best researchers on psychedelics are Roland Griffiths and Robin Carhart-Harris. Check them out. There are plenty of YT videos of them presenting their research. fMRIs, treatment for depression, PTSD, and so on.
Michael Pollan's book "How to Change Your Mind," goes right to the point Dr. Zdogg. I'm wondering if you read the book. The problem, as I see it, is that man (most) people do not have access to this kind of experience. I'm an old guy, and I will probably die before I can locate a suitable guide. Also, I loved your observations on reductionism in science. Reductionism is responsible, in many cases, for us NOT finding the answer. There is a time and place for reductionism, maybe.
You give me hope for the future ❤
What I’ve found is not being deficient in magnesium makes a huge difference.
At the very beginning, he looked like the last person I’d ever expect to say “I went to Berkeley dude, like, yeah!”
I love you Z! But you don’t always need to do drugs to have that experience...like you mentioned. That’s the beauty of nursing. We speak the language of people and meeting their spiritual and emotional needs and assisting them on their journey with medical interventions
As someone who has done the stuff he talks about in the video (weed, shrooms, LSD), you really do need use those substances to have the experience he is talking about. It is surreal- and I don't use that word lightly. Being on those substances quite literally feels like the laws of the universe aren't quite working the same way. On some strains of weed, I could literally "see" sound. On LSD, besides the visual hallucinations, the way it changes your thinking and the way you see the world is completely changed. It feels like you are completely aware of yourself and everyone else. It gives almost a superhero level of clarity. It is incredibly hard to describe unless you have experienced it yourself. It is a very real, physical, measurable change in your perception of the world. It is not merely a spiritual or emotional change of state- and as far as I know, nothing comes close to emulating those experiences out in the "real world".
You just took a great step....tell it brother!
zdogg was geeked
What are your thoughts on Andrew Weil? I feel like you'd appreciate his philosophy.
You sir are amazing.Thank you!
He's trying his best to get on the rogan podcast lol 🤣🤣
This guy gets it bro
silly question: If you were told by the admissions committee way back when that you had to shave your head for the whole first year of medical school, would you have done it?
Thank you! Great video!!
Great points! I think you are onto something here.
Finally someone gets it!!
Absolutely love this fucking interview ❤️❤️❤️❤️💕
I think weed's a "gateway drug", because you have to go to a drug dealer to get it. If it's legalized then it's not a gateway to harder things.
Just a question because I got curious thinking about it. Since it is decriminalized in a couple states and you can legally buy it in some states yet not others, do you still think that it is a gateway drug?
@@andrewmorita1706 hello Andrew! Thanks for the comment. I believe that with marijuana being illegal, then the only way to get it is through underground sources. This would be the “gateway”.
@@andrewmorita1706 I live in a state where it’s still illegal (Idaho) in this case people are driving across the border to get it. I would say that the black market for marijuana is no more here-cause they can’t compete with the quality.
Gateway drugs don't exist. It's all up to the individual
Thank you for this video. It’s time to get rid of these idiotic stigmas.
Wow I was really not expecting this to get so deep. I feel like I didn't just come off of a night shift...I feel like I accidentally took some of my patient's really good meds 😅 (joking). All joking aside though I think you're onto something here. I just don't see practically how any of this is even close to happening or working in our lifetimes... But I'm interested in this idea because I can see that the things I am doing to (sorry *for*) my patients so often...are not even close to 'healing'. And I very much wonder why I spend so much time locked in a dark concrete building staring at a computer charting about my patients as they sit in a dark room by themselves...when I feel healed when I am outside with my hands in the dirt in my garden, watching my goats play, and hanging out with my dogs and being around nature. Being present in life is what I feel like we were all made to do, and *most* of my time I spend doing something that allows me to really live *rarely*. I was a wildlife biologist before I was a nurse, but I wanted to really help people, and I'm not sure that I am. Maybe in my third career I'll go full hippy and garden and share beautiful spaces I create and healthy food with people and talk to them about their health and their lives. I did always say I'd be a farmer when I grew up 😂 Biologist nurse farmer life coach/NP? Lol probably not.
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I think consciousness is primary, and matter secondary...I was trained as a pathologist. Spirit is much more powerful 🙏
I have a medical question. If you are actively seizing, would you be considered conscious or unconscious?
In EMD one of the first few questions we ask is “are they conscious? Are they breathing?” Was curious about that
Dr. Damania, thank you for recording and publishing this interview for the public. I was impressed and riddled when you stated that any provider who has taken a psychedelic should not interact with patients. Would this not include any nurse/doctor under medical supervision? As you know, many nurses and doctors have access to pretty cool benefits and health insurance packages. If a health care professional had surgery with complex anesthesia or was prescribed psychiatric medication or had a number of other treatments, wouldn't that mean they cannot help patients within the healthcare system? Also, should medical and nursing schools accept students who have been under any type of medical care? Also, do you not have to take a medication before you give it to someone else?
He says the exact opposite, relisten to 4:57. No, you don't have to try all of the thousands of medications before prescribing them, that would be insane.
*copied from my Facebook caption upon sharing this video*
If clinical trials ever existed for the use of psychedelics to treat schizoaffective bipolar type, then sign me up. I have never taken a psychedelic before, due to fear of how my mental illness will respond. But even if I was institutionalized and locked in a confined room for a while, I'd be happy to test psychedlics in the name of science, in a room where I couldn't hurt myself or others in case there was any negative interaction.
I've been institutionalized twice before, so it wouldn't bother me to do it a few more times in the name of science.
*copied from a follow up message to ZdoggMD*
No medical advice necessary, I am just in agreement that psychedelics might bring us out of extreme reductionism in the medical field. Again, I have always wanted to try psychedelics. Your video just gave me the idea of how I'd like to test it myself - I'd take some shrooms, then immediately have myself committed just in case anything bad happened as a result. I'd be in a safe place to experiment 😅
You don't have to reply, I understand replying to a message like mine would be risky for a person like you; I was just inspired by your vid and thought I'd give you my two cents as someone with mental illness.
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Integrating form and function, art and order, hope and proof, math and passion, theorems old and new
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Shamanic as in we heal ourselves sounds nice yet effective.
Good to see a doctor admit how ludicrous the idea that consciousness is just a chemical reaction.
Super interesting.
Oh my god!!! I am in medical school and I’m from the Central Valley too!!! I was born and raised in hanford, where were you??? 😁😁
H2o being affected by love or hate is an example of the unexplained reality
I don't know how you don't become addicted to something that seems so nice.
What’s nice is all around us everyday, the medicine is just a reminder.
Lol was asking myself this when I watched one of your videos.Like a week ago...NICE!
✌❤🎶😎 I've been waiting to see a video from you like this. *stands and applauds* Love you Bro!!
We move forward by honesty and compassion. Great piece brother.
I'm both a geek and a hippy but I've always had to hide my hippy side b/c it's not at all respected in my world. So I'm happy to see that both sides is a way to consciousness.
ZDogg is clearly under the influence in this video.
Full sober, for better of for worse 😢
Of course you're on the right track.
Late Xmas present for you, Zubin. What does it sound like when someone with synaesthesia tries to describe the nature of conscious agents? I'll even have her denounce the link between mind and body, reject space-time multiple ways, and provide not only the name of one and all conscious agents, but also the place they exist, in the simplest terms possible: ua-cam.com/video/AvyIpfjsu-o/v-deo.html
Did a lot of tripping in Berkeley!
Not everyone has a phenomenal experience. It may open a predisposition or create a problem. I cared for a 16 yo developed Schizophrenia as did his teenaged sibling after LSD. I will never forget Art Linkletter's daughter thought she could fly, jumped out a widow with terminal trauma occurring. Taking a drug/medicine without knowledge of dose or if required weight based calculated worries me. Timothy Leary seemed to have a clinical approach with students monitored, at least in the beginning. Now I have to figure out which Moody Blues song mentions Timothy Leary😊
That window story is a baby boomer myth www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-scarlet-linkletter/
Sorry to say it and it’s tragic but there is a high chance that could’ve been NBOMe and that shit is dangerous I don’t think real LSD will cause you do things such as that or cause you to develop schizophrenia. The fake research chemicals posing to be LSD from street dealers are causing people to develop mental problems or causing them to freak out and kill themselves. Remember dealers don’t care about you for the right price. Especially remember “if it’s bitter, it’s a spitter.”
@@PapaZoltan incidents I mentioned occurred in the late 60's. I'm sure their were backroom chemists then as there have been for Meth and Crack cocaine, none of which is safe no matter who makes it. But look at us now with adulterated Heroin, which also is problematic. The human species is built with the potential for addiction, whether it is food, sex or drugs. Just do not want the illicit drug componenent. If course the current drug problem created by some greedy pharmaceutical companies, and inadequate knowledge and practices for pain management.
I missed Tom. He’s your Redban. Hold onto him.
You are on the right track.
Research needs to be on psychedelics by a lot of different sources in a lot of different ways
We don't know enough about this stuff and we don't know enough about human psychology
We don't spend the time and effort we need on psychology to understand as much as we need to
Every time I take a psychedelic, I get psychosis and don’t sober up with any profound realizations. PCP, on the other hand….. has made me see the world for what it really is. DXM was also a beautiful substance.
I need a better doctor. My new prerequisite is psychedelic experience.
Get on with Dr Charles he will guide you on your adventures.
We know him as charlesmyco_
On instagram.
Thanks!
Thanks Alisha!
Thank you!
Psychedelics are tricky but ultimately they c a nnot promote sanity,you can really lose your mind
Well, well, well, Zdogg. Consider me a critical kindred spirit. Not to worry about your personal reputation, your test scores are high. Dude, I think you've got a bit a straw man with reductionism as the main thrust of biological science. Maybe too much Molecular Biology, a bit short on ecology, for example? My experience of the past 50 years to watch with astonishment as they've taken it apart to the Nth degree -- and taken from that -- to synthesize it at unthought-of breadth. Anyway, this ZDogg sermon runs the the full gamut, brilliance to gibberish, absolutely first class, and I've heard Leary lecture (3 times, over 3 decades) and the good Doctor Tim couldn't do better, been waiting for you, man. It would be fun to wander with you by the creek and consider these issues in detail, Dr. Z. Also, by "Hoffman's book" I presume that's Donald D Hoffman at UC-Irvine?
I am 66 years and when I was 15 I took some LSD the hallucinations scared the crap out of me. I now have a real belief in the divine because I now know there is another reality that is outside our “ normal” belief of what reality is. I did it once and would never do it again. That is why striving for an alternate reality can be extremely dangerous psychologically without a spiritual mentor that knows what they are doing. It can cause a very very serious psychological breakdown. Either that or you are on your way to sainthood. Definitely not a good idea for teenagers or young adults.
I have felt like I needed access to the source code for the universe and a debugger for reality since I was in middle school. Some people and institutions are so clearly malfunctioning. How can we have laws that harm every person on earth and benefit no person, but rather a corporation? People write the laws, people pass the laws. Why the hell would anyone vote for such a law, let alone enough people to pass such a law?
i wish this video was longer
love love love love
Math is the flesh and Bones of consciousness.
Bro you mean the 5th dimension. We've been in the 4th dimension all our lives. 3 dimensions explain parameter space and distance, and the 4th is time. We all experience time. You needed a bigger hit.
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When are healthcare workers with a legit medical condition, recommend for a medical marijuana card, signed by a physician, living in a fully legal state, can use this “medication” as a healthcare worker, without risking losing their job to drug testing!?
A healthcare worker can come to work on all kinds of *prescription* medication, and that’s cool, but a medical patient with an MMMP card can’t use their medication after work?
All because hospitals receive federal funding, and marijuana is STiLL federally illegal. I don’t think people realize the dilemma this creates.
Can I come work for you? Need a lab tech? We have SUCH similar backgrounds with this! 🤣
I like the idea of meditation. I also like the idea of RCTs for the medicinal use of these agents which are growing in number. The unregulated, non-medicinal use is scary in our society (ie illegal street drugs), which is much different than a tribe in the Amazon using plants as part of their culture and spirituality. Great video!
There is no good argument against unregulated non-medicinal use with such safe substances. And defining 'medical use' is problematic. So some people are 'only' partying, so what? There will inevitably be a percentage of them who gain unexpected benefit, and the rest aren't harmed in any way. Psychedelics are 'the left hand path', a shortcut, to be sure, but they are very valuable because many people cannot or will not exercise the discipline to get there through meditation or other methods. In the current legal atmosphere of prohibition, there is so little recognized legitimate medical use that there is a huge wave of people seeking self administered therapies in legitimate efforts to help themselves where the medical and legal establishments are not. We cannot dismiss the valid work done by huge numbers of people in a grassroots movement just because the establishment has not yet caught up to reality.
>Nany Reagan: Don't do shit.
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Tell 'em Zubin