Response to Adam Conover’s Tweet | Hospitals & Mammograms | Wednesday Checkup
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- After the last Real Doctor Reacts to Adam Ruins everything there were many questions and critiques of my stances. Also Adam did a great job or replying to my video via twitter (link below) so I thought that this is the best way to continue the conversation. Keep in mind that if you missed the last video you should watch it here: • Real Doctor Reacts to ...
Also, please refrain from name calling in the comments section as that doesn’t help you make your point or us to change our minds.
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Not only did Doctor Mike clarify his points to avoid misunderstandings, he also teaches us how to handle criticism and teaches us the benefits of accepting criticism, etc.
He shouldn't have to defend himself against such a person like Adam.
@@kraven4444
Agreed.
Adam is beneath him.
I should be trolling saying this, and of course not being litteral.
But Yeah. Dr. Mike has proven himself very often.
Adam has so much politics in his videos.
With Ideas that.. yeah. I have little intellect based respect for the guy.
Not to mention.
He's a serious Educator or Entertainer completely by what is convenient at the moment.
yet Adam still managed to misunderstand some of Dr Mike's points. Or possibly simply lied about them to win the argument. I wouldn't have the patience not to simply point it out.
Hell, even in the initial video Dr Mike was extra understanding of Adam's.
@Balto the Wolf , yep to be honest.
He still messed up saying that the focus should not be on profits. He himself said administration fees are to high and to many accountants are staff. The only reason you have that is to make sure you are making profits! I love his channel but he sounded really dumb arguing that.
Damn bro
I’ve got serious respect for someone who can calmly and intelligently refute an argument - especially considering Adam’s response seemed quite defensive and in my opinion slightly arrogant.
You laid your points out clearly, concisely, and understandably, and still maintained the level of charisma you always have. Mad respect
N3ptune - totally gonna look at this when do debates in college
Arrogant is Adam's maiden name.
honestly i think from both sides they dealt with it pretty well
I wouldn't say defensive but rather he tried answer critisism so that there is a broader understanding of how the cideo was made and what their point of view was. On top of that i think the way Adam anwered was pretty calm to as he wrote multiple tweets explaining. Lastly it may seem arrogant but thats is mostlikely because it was based on dr. mike's video ,which only gave limited explainaitions (due to it's length and way of editing) on some comments.
Adam acts like a smug little bitch.
This guy takes criticism so well. He doesn't sound defensive, yet he defends his opinions well. I think that Dr. Mike is very correct in his rebuttal, and if I was Adam, I would either apologize, or... well, at least acknowledge that his statements are correct.
He kinda did, he didn’t specifically specify this but he did do an Adam ruins himself were he did acknowledge that he makes mistakes and that he is biased
@@darksungate He makes a ton more mistakes then he addresses, like Christopher Columbus.
@@Gamerad360 what was the mistake?
@@mihailmilev9909 ua-cam.com/video/ZEw8c6TmzGg/v-deo.html&vl=en If you have time I would watch this video. It does a pretty good job digging into some of Adam's mistakes and the mistakes of others who have talked about Christopher Columbus before.
Tbh Doctors do need to be a little chill
Hey Dr. Mike
I hope Adam understood your point about mammograms. Mammograms and screening here in Denmark has made breastcancer cases in later stages decline. But I thought that Adam could just have included the patient/girl saying “okay so mammograms are bad and I should NOT get them” then he could correct that statement and tell all the great facts about mammograms.
Dude I just wanna say, I have so much respect for you. You're a genuine role model for an aspiring person interested in healthcare.
He actually increased my respect for doctors 100 times over tbh
Rachel Rachel Yeah he does wonders for the public image of healthcare. When you’re in hospitals it feels like you’re in a system and its hard to find doctors like Mike!
If you like Dr. Mike you should check out zdogg MD! They did a collab. Zdogg goes a little more in depth but he covers SO MUCH of what healthcare workers actually do and deal with.
He's a genuine role model for anyone aspiring to be a decent human being, too.
You kinda look like him lol
Key point:
“How the average person will interpret the way the information is presented”
Conover can't hear those words. All he hears is "disagree" and gets triggered and defensive.
omg he said it right when I read this
Caroline Dodge MEEE TOOO
I think what you need to do is go in knowing 'It's a comedy show'. The bit in the middle has a bit of exaggerating. you really only need the beginning where he has the point and the end where he goes more in depth about it. And with that it's Mammograms aren't as good as you think. You should only use them if you have a lump you're worried about. Or when you get into your 40's and the risks are higher. The middle has a lot of facts, but nothing that's really required to know, and is mostly the entertainment part to make sure people watch and help them to remember the show.
@@kharnthebetrayer8251 right but what mike said is correct, if someone is already afraid of the idea of a certain procedure, and then you go on a 5 minute rant about how bad they are and everything that went wrong, they arent going to pay attention to the 30 seconds of good you say at the very end. and even if its a comedy show, presenting information out of context, even though it may be factual, can cause misleading ideas. I will use myself as an example, growing up I loved to watch history channel, and one of the episodes i watched was about Ireland, and it had to do with the IRA. At the time, due to the way the information had been provided in the episode, I though the IRA were just freedom fighters for Ireland to escape British control. They are war profiteering terrorists... nothing more. Not giving full context cant greatly change the perspective of the information.
With the mammogram skit: I was already scared of them, and the segment did truly make me never want to get one done. So I do think the information couldve been presented in a different light
I took it as not getting too many done (such as getting it every year when you only need one every three years). Self exams and regular breast exams are fine for in between mammograms. For me, the part I’m not looking forward to is the pain as I’m bigger on top.
I am a 31 year old man who has had 2 mammograms because I have a weird lump on my Moob, and my dr. Wants to keep an eye on it.
The mammogram itself is pretty easy, no pain or anything, a machine just squeezes your boob/moob for a minute, then they may do an ultrasound.
Idk if thats what you are afraid of, but the procedure itself is pretty tame.
Mammograms have come a long way, they sqish the Girls, but not so much that it hurts. Not unless your girls are super tender (which is a thing for many) apparently not for me cause on a pain scale of 1-10, 10 being omg wth, I was at a .0001 on discomfort. It was like laying on my stomach level of annoyance. Then again, my girls aren't big or heavily padded....any more...sooo maybe that's another reason why they're done later in life? Less padding=less pain=easier to find anything potentially wrong? Maybe?
As someone's that's had it done I was scared too and afterwards I was like.... ummm that's it? Huh..... it's anti climactic to say the least. HUGZ
Honestly I get a mammogram every year because my mother died young from breast cancer (beat once but returned a few years later, metastasized to her brain and bones. Since I turned 34 I started getting screened yearly. Even being on the smaller size it is not painful, just mildly uncomfortable on the arm having I raised and laying on the machine, that's all. I was terrified at first but it's really not bad. As scared as I am of hospitals I still go yearly. It's worth it.
@@Raevynwing my mom beat breast cancer when I was young, then it came back metastases to her lung. Ishe died when I was 26. I'm 31 now like I said, and I check myself at least once a month.
If something like cancer runs through your family like water down a stream, GET CHECKED AT LEAST YEARLY.
When it came back for my mom, she spent 2 years telling herself the shortness of breath was just because she was getting older, til she collapsed at work.
Take care of yourselves.
I’m a first year in medical school and very much interested in pursuing the primary care field! Thanks dr Mike for encouraging me to explore this field of medicine 😊
I loved all your points but the thing I loved the most is that you replied to Adam so politely and truly without trying to make "UA-cam drama" as many other creators do! You explained your points in the best way possible so that no one gets offended and you stated your worries about what was implied by Adam in a very positive way. Happy that you are on UA-cam!!
You said everything here better than I could. So, YES. It really just shows that people can still engage thoughtfully and intelligently in a debate/conversation without drama. It's refreshing.
It makes so clear that people/ creators can be just in it for the fame and money, because that was their motivation for starting content creation.
While others set out to start creation purely to help regardless of if it will get them famous or not. I like, no I love not even that I am starting to crave Dr. Ms pure way of doing things.
I am simply fed up with this defensive posture towards facts. One example is vaccines.
We should focus more on teaching children that it is okay to be wrong as long as you are willing to listen to factual critique.
Instead of letting this age of social media dilute their understanding of what an argument is. Your argument is not more valid because you have twenty million followers. Unless that is what you are arguing about, how it is to have so many followers.
I just wish Adams response tweet was less aggressive in tone, and used less words on defending themselves and more words on looking at the critique.
One thing I do think we need to touch on is how he might have come across Dr Ms initial video. Thousands of people could have started some sort of overdramatic shitstorm that forced Adam to watch the video in a negative light. Then afterwards commenting on it to defend the show from those thousands of people creating a mob. In my opinion and experience that is how can be with many of these types of responses on the internet.
So I am sincerely happy, that it was handled in this calm collected way in this video.
i felt shade there for some recent youtuber. ⛱⛱⛱⛱🍵🍵🍵🍵
Dr. Mike did his honest best. That’s all I could hope for.
Thank you for showing a beautiful example of how disagree and debate in a respectful way.
Ruthie... respectfully and sincerely, fuck you :)
@@jessedelaney920 I was scrolling through the comments and yours stood out, I'm curious: why did you reply so aggressively?
@@meggylouwho he was joking
I really love the way you are Dr. Mike, I swear, you're just...a really good human. You take criticism positively and use it to improve yourself! I hope one day I can do that too.
A mammogram saved my life, and my doctor did not think that I had cancer. I ended up being diagnosed with breast cancer at the age of 36 years old, and my daughter will have to start getting mammograms at the age of 26 just to be sure that if she does have cancer that it is caught early.
Same, and I was 41. There are so many of us alive today because of mammograms. Yes, it's uncomfortable but cancer is worse.
My mom was 39, beat it once but it returned, metastasized in her brain and bones.. Died 5 years after her second diagnosis at 47. I have been getting mammograms yearly since I turned 34
ADAM NEVER SAID TO NEVER TAKE A MAMMOGRAM.
@@Remix2366 exactly
Kudos to Dr. Mike for properly handling internet beef the same way he would handle a misinformed patient. 😂
Patronizingly?
@@soratruekid It's a fine line between "educating" and "patronizing". Here? I think he fell right on the line, unfortunately.
Sar'ras Fae'lynn I would disagree? As a medical professional I’d say he has an established right(?) to his tone when speaking to a layperson
I think he spoke with authority without being condescending. Furthermore, he invited and applauded reasonable public discussion
9/10 response imo
Edit: when I say “established right to his tone”: He has both the medical knowledge as well as real world experience to inform his points (though admittedly less so on the topic of cost)
to call this beef may be an over statement. There isn't much disagreement to be had here.
@@soratruekid How was he patronizing? I didn't pick up on that at all.
I’m not gonna lie I’m on a dr. Mike binge but I believe it’s because it is nice to see someone that is my age actually acting like a adult. This is how you have a conversation. Hats off to this the younger adults coming behind this take note.
1st reply
All adults are unfortunately guilty of that. We put feelings before facts.
It is amazing how much the skill of honorable discourse has been set aside. Society is basing many serious things on emotion and unsupported opinion, not reliable facts or defendable evidence. So, I resonate with your comment :)
I ... Im shocked,i mean i am huge fans of both of these people but the way how adam changed dr mike's words in his tweets to make it seems as if dr mike claims hospitals are above critisism and so forth
It completely blows my mind,it feels like he takes dr mike's words and twisting it to his will
Cor VD
It’s really just a strawman of mike’s actual position and just straight up intellectually dishonest. Bad Adam.
If you look into Adam a little bit, you’ll find that this kind of behavior is extremely common for him. Made me stop watching his content.
The Bygone King same. I’m always baffled by unearned arrogance, not that I think anyone should be arrogant, but given his humble beginnings at collegehumor, it’s a bit odd for someone like Adam to think so highly of himself
Anytime someone makes legitimate criticisms of a video of his, which there are many, he gets butthurt and name drops people. He uses facts in a way to shape his narrative and advance it when he should be presenting facts and context to the relevant facts to provide non-biased info.
adam is like my mother
It's clear that one of these people watched the others show and the other didnt.
Yes, yep. You are right.
Yeah this guy obviously misunderstood Adams entire video.
@@BreakingDnD It's obvious that you're an idiot.
@@Cthulhoop i hope you're joking...
Cthulhoop it’s obvious he was joking
Great and very measured response. I love a media creator that can absorb that kind of vaguely insulting and aggressive slapback and give a calm, thought out and good-spirited answer. You're an amazing role model!
I respect so much people who do this
I would not be able to handle it in this way, a great inspiration
Wait until you see his reply to Dr Hope, shows his real attitude towards criticism. Still enjoy his videos but don't respect him after that old 'beef'
It's both irritating and heartwarming to watch Adam be snarky and smug while Mike was being so wholesome he didn't even notice.
@@Obi-WanKannabis THIS. He noticed, but it doesn't matter because taking issue with another person's tone isn't really what Dr. Mike is about. It's exactly what you said.
@@Obi-WanKannabis Yeah, 100% this. Besides, Mike's a doctor; compared to some of the stuff that doctors go through on a daily basis, a bit of Twitter snark is honestly small time. Doctors have thick skins. The good doctors will maintain their sense of decorum, and the doctors who can't take it don't remain doctors for long.
@@DarthDionius Do you mean Mike's a doctor?
@@coffeejelly1116 I do, thank you. Edited that now.
@@DarthDionius np just trying to help 😁
We need more people like this in the world. Logical, admitting of his own problems, actively seeking a solution rather then pointing fingers,
Dr Mike: "I just want people to be healthy"
I love the eloquence of Dr Mike's response because Adam clearly got pretty defensive in his tweet thread, meanwhile summed up nicely in the end, Mike says how simplifying things for the general public is good, but if we over simplify them, it has the potential to do more damage than good.
it's weird i feel the opposite. I feel that Dr Mike is defensive and that his issue with the "focus" is irrational. Isn't it Dr Mike's approach that risks to do more damage than good on a political level ?
@@robertamagdalena8224 wait what do you mean by that? Can you explain ? In what way does it do more damage than good?
@@robertamagdalena8224 I got to say your reply makes no sense at all. I'm not trying to be rude I'm trying to understand.
@@AliceI7764 the damage is legitimization
Mike's speech presents as not that big a deal the fact that people have to depend on charity to get treatment
Ways to solve all your problems:
CHEST COMPRESSIONS
CHEST COMPRESSIONS
CHEST COMPRESSIONS
Technically chest compressions can solve your physical problems which in turn can solve your other problems so yeah
@@anushiyavijayan4463 hehe.........yeah
If that doesn’t get put on a shirt it’ll be a missed opportunity.
I died😂😂
( I need chest compressions)
if anyone wants to do chest compressions on my student loans that'd be great
"Doctor DESTROYS critics by being humble and honest."
There you go bud, fixed that title for you.
Dear lord, that's only a fix if you're a total drama queen. Which to be fair, apparently 90% of people who write headlines and UA-cam video titles now are.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated
ua-cam.com/video/QZIR-eZdvGk/v-deo.html
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated no offense, I feel like we agree. I was making a joke about clickbait titles, that's it.
I am so glad he does not use titles like that because when I see titles like that then I call the person who make that title a a£$%h$%e. Realises now was a joke but my point stands of what I feel about those titles
Eh, his position is still shifty.
Saying that hospital prices aren't the problem, and then saying that hospitals employ too much unneeded staff, makes little sense. Because those prices are spent enriching unneeded staff!
He merely provides an explanation to Adam's point, not contradicting him in any way.
And saying that hospital prices aren't the main problem while his own examples of supposedly larger problems merely create those inflated hospital prices, is either disingenuous, or simply argument for argument's sake.
Is it just me or is Adam Conover purposely mischaracterizing Doctor Mike’s response, in a passive aggressive way?
Because if he didn’t misinterpret them, then he wouldn’t be able to claim dr mike is wrong. That’s why people construct strawmen
Adam is a complete nob.
@@jwill7998 I think it's more he's a manipulative person who can't admit his mistakes
@@that_one_person5805
Yes, he's manipulative and very intellectually dishonest (and a nob).
I don't know if it was personal, but Adam did seem defensive. I don't think he was trying to be mean in his comment, but I think he may have taken the criticism personally. They work hard on the show with the constant fact-checking, even more so with this episode, so to hear criticisms might have upset him.
The fact is, they both stated facts and thier opinions and no one is wrong. Adam seemed to take it a little personal, but Dr. Mike welcomes the criticism and owned up to what Adam mentioned, all while being respectful and didn't come off as rude.
I like both Adam and Dr. Mike, and I don't think either of them mean any harm, or would ever intentionally try to misinform people with their show/channel. They just had a difference of opinion, regarding stated facts, that they both agree on.
"I reject your criticism" what bro you can't do that
Lol
😂 😂 😂
😆
Specially when your show is all about criticising others lmao
Never knew that was an option. “You killed my dog, you murderer!” “I reject your criticism.”
Adam's misinterpretation of some of your responses mirrors exactly what you predicted would happen when average consumers heard Adam's argument, particularly in regard to mammograms. I think he missed that fact that you were trying to word your responses in a way that would effectively communicate the right message to the consumer, rather than simply giving commentary based on your personal beliefs or feelings toward the situation. It's great that he had medical professionals review his commentary; however, the way he mentioned it insinuated that since it was reviewed by professionals, the information was finite. Doctors frequently have different opinions regarding the same topic, and all perspectives must be heard in order to make the best decisions.
This comment deserves more upvotes
Exactly
Adam many times has shown his political views threw his episodes. The way he sees hospitals and the people you chose to feature matter. All I am saying is one of the 2 is biased is Adam.
Wanna do my language hw?
@@senjy3097 nothing political about the fact that people are dying because of greed in the health care industry
THIS is how you take criticism. Having an educated healthy discussion and try and meet in the middle. I really think Adam was quite rude instead of trying to understand what Dr. Mike was saying.
criticism today is mostly taking place against other people's opinion. Medicine is an objective science so it is easier to defend. Most people today get lost in figuring out what is fact and opinion.
Adam Conover's show is biased. His writers give him a narrative to push. You can find many channels that break down the points in the show, revealing the bias. Or go watch Joe Rogan's show with Adam.
thisssss
@@Brennan.P objective might go a little too far.
many objective truths in medicine are just thousands of people quoting the same text that no one bothered to check in a century.
a lot in medicine is just peddled by big pharma too. and they make decisions based on money. and its cheaper to just add like one useless molecule to the same old painkiller with the same old sideeffects to keep a fresh patent, than exploring actual new painkillers.
@@nathanbueche8429 of course, everything is biased. yet they still give you all the sources to check for yourself, unlike so many others, they don't just pull stuff out of their ass.
As a Canadian, hearing that a hospital is a "business" or an "industry" makes no sense and is absolutely frightening. Thankfully, where i live, it is a public essential service that everyone has access to.
I’m a Brit and feel same as you. Really weirds me out and sounds scary af
It's so expensive to get healthcare jn the US. I'm canadian too and I met expats in different countries who are working their butt off outside the US to pay for medical fees whether it's for them or for their relatives. One teacher I met has been working in Saudi for 7 years to pay off thousands of dollars worth of healthcare for her brother who's in a wheelchair in the U.S.
You’re lucky my friend
As an American, I envy you. Though the hospital being a business hasn’t effected me much yet, as I’m still a kid, it has effected my Grandma and Aunt. I’m gonna keep a long story short and say due to various medical bills, they’re now trying to live off of social security and disability benefits respectively.
As an American living with a hospital system that is business focused I can tell you that it is in fact terrifying and many of us avoid going to the hospital when we need it because of how bad the experience usually is(mostly on the “business” side)
I applaud this response. It's refreshing to see someone respond to another persons critiques in a respectful way. I really like how he wasn't getting angry because that doesn't help a conversation.
You are one of the most honest and genuine UA-camrs I’ve come across..too bad for the people that don’t see that in you.
This is integrity brah. Adulting at its finest.
@Inebriatd I agree with you however the term adulting is a part of my life as well and I must say that sometimes it genuinely applies. For example. When someone gets called out by a guy who misinforms people for a living by only giving half truths and the guy getting called out handles it in a meaningful way rather than ignoring or acting salty over it.
@Inebriatd How can you turn a sentence so short into something political? I think you need lessons in adulting man...
Adam saying "all the facts were correct, but all he cares about is the TONE" is such a nonsense defense. As if it's not possible to mislead people just because everything you say is technically true.
Sometimes technically correct isn't the best kind of correct. If you'll pardon the Futurama reference.
I am curious how did Adam respond to this?
Wow Mike hearted a comment on a year old video :) Kudos to you man!
@@MegaAgamon Yeah i was searching thru the comments to see if he responded back.
@@orionx79 I've been looking as well, was there any response?
He didnt :/. People usually pull the plug if it gets heated. İ dont think adam cares about wellfare of american citizens.
@@mertarican5456 Probably just realized that criticizing the counter criticism to his criticism would've been ridiculous and really bad for his image and apologizing would make it seem like he was wrong so it would probably be best to leave the conversation there.
“You’re biased” is the biggest non-argument I hear. My response is, “so what? Show me where I’m wrong.”
Pointing out bias does not invalidate a claim.
👏 Say it louder for those in the back! 👏
My bias as part of two Native American tribes does not invalidate or make me wrong when I speak about some of the atrocities that have been inflicted upon native peoples, such as their children being taken from them and being sent to "re-education" facilities to make them be Christian and conform to white man's way of life, including being punished for using their native languages.
Yeah I'm biased. It didn't NOT happen just because I pointed it out and I'm biased!
Not that I typically preach about it or anything, but that's just an example of your point. 🤗
True, pointing out a bias doesn't invalidate a claim. However, having a particular bias, be it political or professional, can skew people's views on the facts of an issue.
@@sborrink But it can't skew the facts, that's the point. And if someone is wrong, you have to show WHY they're wrong, not why they believe it.
Maybe I believe the sky is blue because aliens inject blue gel into skypockets from their invisible space pods every 4 weeks. Does that make me crazy? Maybe. But it doesn't tell me whether or not the sky is blue. This is called the Genetic Fallacy.
I love this! This is such a great response and I'm kind of mad that in my 20 years of life I've never heard it before
Bias is brought up usually for conflict of interest reasons. There is Bias, but there's no conflict of interest where the Doctor is concerned.
You are one of the least biased people I follow on social media. Everything you share is explained clearly and very well! Love watching your videos.
True. When I saw Dr. Mike's previous vid, it showed some issues with Adam that I didn't notice before. But I figured they were honest mistakes.
...But seeing some of Adam's Tweets, I'm extremely disappointed with his responses. It sounds very much to me that he just can't take any criticism. I think that Adam is more concerned about his views than he is about portraying the truth of the matter.
I'll be the devils advocate here. Dr. Mike is biased. He's a doctor. So of course he is biased.
@@peacelovecigarettes yes, of course. "he's biased!" "no, you're biased!"
Fortunately, there's much more important than just saying the other side is biased. Great "devil's advocate".
@@9393jack dude. Literally a doctor is going to be biased on issues pertaining to his profession.
@@9393jack hes gonna make his side sound good. Just like the other side will do. You have to take everything with a grain of salt.
I’ve watched Dr. Mike for years, and he does catch himself making logical fallacies as they occur. Legit one of the most humble and level-headed dudes I’ve ever seen. Adam’s employed by a television studio and always came off as an arrogant, fear-mongering know-it-all, so naturally having his piece debunked by someone on UA-cam would be a threat to his bread and butter.
Fear-mongering Know-it-all is so spot on. Wasn't he employed by Cracked? Very representative of that website.
Pretty sure him being an arrogant know it all is played as a joke in every episode.
@@Zumoari College Humor but we know nothing is funny on that site.
@@lindenrose8626 Saying "he is just playing a character" is not an excuse to shoddiness.
Imagine it being acceptable to respond with “I reject this criticism” at your review at your job. 😂
You pretty much can do that though. You may need to update your resume and take care of stuff like that, but the choice does exist! 😅😅
I agree with you Doctor Mike.
I enjoy watching Adam Ruins Everything but I did feel frightened about mammograms when I saw that episode months ago. I appreciated your original video where you explained more in depth how mammograms work and why they are necessary. Thank you!
I wasn't frightened of mammograms from Adam's show (it actually made me feel like I needed one), but I was frightened of mammograms from talking to doctors and family members that HAD gotten them.
Same. I was already scared of them, and watching the video I felt more comfortable with the idea of putting it off a lot longer than I should. And I'm not "an average person" mind you, my career is in healthcare yet I still ate up the words in the video because it's what I wanted to hear.
@@painoftheheart12 You weren't really listening to the reasons most people are frightened by getting mammograms. One of the main reasons is that they can be painful, even with the ultrasound version for those that are younger. I have a high risk of breast cancer in my family but because of everything I always heard of them being painful and the like I tried putting it off as long as I could. That isn't good. It made me ignore signs I honestly shouldn't have with my family history. Thankfully it turned out to be a benign cyst in the end but I should not have waited so long.
I am genuinely blown away about how you can explain such complicated stuff with such simplicity. This channel literally makes my day. Dr. Mike thank you for the amazing contents every weak. And another thing you are the least biased person I have ever seen.(in a Mobile Screen) love your videos!
Gigantic Director Official in a fun fact video about Dr. Mike he said that one of his best skills is explaining complicated topics in a clear and simple way! He isn’t wrong
Did he really come out here and say "I reject this criticism"
HaHa.
This is one of the best responses to critique that I have ever seen. He acknowledges what is true while respectfully disagreeing at the same time and also remains polite. This is a master class in conversation and response. There are also a few things to be learned here in the field of debate even though I know Dr. Mike was not debating Adam. (If it were though Dr. Mike takes the win) But again the video was well done.
One main reason I subscribed to this channel is the way mike explains topics. He tries his hardest to put this information in an unbiased and simple to understand way, something that is very rare on UA-cam. Absolutely love this channel and everything mike stands for ❤️
As an average woman, I totally agree that Adam's segment on mammograms could scare women away from getting them. It came off like they were saying mammograms are useless and even harmful, and arent necessary. Then at the very end they were like "oh yeah by the way you should still get them." Like hello?
I agree. Definitely a turn off for mammograms and I'd like to think of myself as someone who weighs up both sides
Jennifer Marshall
*weighs
@@commentcopbadge6665 haha yeah noticed the minute I revisited the comment . My bad
Inebriatd awww you’re trying so hard to pick a political fight 😂 it’s almost cute
@Inebriatd wth was that word salad? What does any of that have to do with the discussion being had here? I'm so confused lol
It's my dream to become as level headed as you are, Dr Mike. I've been trying really hard to learn how to properly take criticism without reliving my traumas and lashing out but I'm still dealing with it... The day I can take criticism and properly navigate through a discussion about it without disassociating will be one of the best days of my life!
Dr. Mike can burn someone on Twitter, and they would say "thank you."
Dr. Mike would then treat their burns.
You're too kind man. The guy was insulting you, he was essentially making you out to be shill for "evil" hospitals. But bravo! for the humble and inteligent response.
I don't think it was necessarily an insult. I believe it was more of not commonly talking to people who can discuss things logically and only solve issues by proving points without stating opinions and comparing instead. In other words Adam usually speaks with those who have no idea how to calmly discuss a point.
@@keegansmetanko3755 Adam is one of those people
He wasn't insulting mike,he was asked to criticize Mike's video, he did I a respectful way.
Adam's show is a business whose product is criticism. If that product is in question, then he stands to lose consumers.
@@keegansmetanko3755 False. I would argue that Adam was the one shutting down the conversation. Assuming others won't participate in the conversation, and being harsh with the mindset that it won't go anywhere makes YOU part of the problem. Adam can easily sit there (with his much bigger viewer base) and trash Mike. If he was speakin in good faith, he wouldn't paint with such broad strokes to discredit him, and instead work from common ground.
I really love the healthy commenting back and forth on this! It’s really refreshing and I wish more people and influencers would communicate like this!
I toatally agree with you there.
I wouldn't call the critique response on Adam's end "healthy." It had serious undertones of cockiness, and Adam flat out rejects criticism? Rejecting criticism means you don't believe you were wrong, which leads to the conclusion that Adam was telling Dr. Mike to buzz off for challenging his 'superior' knowledge on the subject. I wholeheartedly respect Dr. Mike, but Adam, especially through his show, has proven to me that his singular focus in his "Ruins Everything" series is to inject his political viewpoints into all controversial topics, attempting to sway public opinion.
I apologize for the long winded comment, but Adam is known to be one who tries to push political agendas, so I have no trust with his evident biases.
I really enjoyed Adam Ruins Everything for a while, 'til one of his episodes really upset me. I'm amazed at how you can stay so calm & collected through this. Good on you, man!
Which one and if you do not want to to talk about it is fine.
@@wyattwilliams2457 I assume it might be the hospital one
"telly-medicine" that's when tinkywinky gives you an exam
He's right about the cost of medicine. Speaking as an agent with an insurance license if you want to blame anyone for the high cost of medicine blame the administration but more over blame the insurance industry. The relationship between the insurance industry and the medical industry is adversarial and symbiotic and if that sounds contradictory then you are right. Insurance companies don't want to pay out lots of money so they hire bean counters to figure out how to deny claims and hospitals hire bean counters to figure out how to make them pay. So costs go up and insurance companies are shocked by the price and spend money to prove that they don't have to so hospitals spend money on professionals who specialize in making insurance companies pay for your care. It's not unlike nuclear proliferation and the ones harmed are the general public. Everything gets more expensive and everyone loses.
They also snipe all the biller / coders right out of school before hospitals can get them, meaning that most of these younger biller / coders learn bad habits from the insurance company and learn to try and get everything denied. Also, as a retired biller / coder, can you not call them bean counters? The job is actually quite difficult and often ignored by both patients and doctors.
@@Rayneuki Fair point but still, the strange arms race is largely responsible for the problem. The insurance industry teaches its agents a lot of bad habits and bad practices.
I would also add btw that if these jobs didn't exist, medical care would be a lot less expensive even if you had to pay your own way. I've traveled abroad quite a lot and in countries which denied me coverage for medical stuff while I was staying there and said I had to pay all the costs the costs were really cheap. I mean laughably cheap. I mean going in for stomach pains and being diagnosed with ulcers and given non generic prescription medication and paying about 100 bucks for the entire thing, including doctor visit and medicine.
The Biller Coders are the problem if you ask me. But they only really exist because insurance companies don't want to pay. So... My industry creates yours and yours makes things expensive but only because mine is full of money grubby selfish people. Fair enough?
I agree I worked in billing for a while and the insurances were always so frustrating.
@@concanthandleme The ironic thing is I would argue that all this fighting over the bill that insurance companies do is also probably costing them a lot more money than if they actually just PAID THE BLOODY BILL.
My own company has a life insurance company that it owns. They saved a lot of money and hassle because they don't have what we'll just call a war clause. If somebody dies because of the conflict between two sovereign nations then many insurance companies have a clause where they don't have to pay a death claim.
The companies that decided that on 9-11 they weren't paying probably spent untold amounts of money fighting those claims and in the long run it probably lost them more money than if they had just paid the death claims. My own company had lower losses than the industry at large because they simply never added this language to their contacts. It's currently a selling point but likely the reason it's not there is because when they were writing them up originally they simply forgot they could add them. I'm a realist and I don't fool myself into thinking that my company is just morally better than everybody else.
So they just paid them and didn't get mired down in court costs and so forth fighting families over death claims that most had to pay out eventually anyway and thus they saved a lot of money that then went back into shoring up reserves for paying death claims.
This kind of short sighted cost saving activity is really dumb because it all ends up costing everybody more money in the long run. The insurance companies denying claims because somebody didn't cross a t and instead of the doctor amputating the foot they ampulated the foot which isn't covered in the language of the contract. Is just silly and stupid and means we're all paying for life saving services which are for the public good. OK so this is a silly example but all the fighting over medical treatment is silly too.
See this is how debate and discussion should be. Thank you for continuing to be such a great example that it can be done, and be done well.
Not really it was disgusting that Adam used those blatant strawmen in the early tweets
@@asnalem4391Nah man I'm praising Dr. Mike on his conduct, not Adam on his.
Intelligent debates are difficult to come by, usually because people have a Them vs. Us attitude. If there is one thing I have learned over the years, it is that text doesn't give tone of voice. You can type something one way and have it easily misconstrued as "mean", "overcritical" or "rude" without ever meaning for it to sound that way. Tone of voice, inflection and facial expression can't be shown in text alone. So people will read something from someone with their own viewpoint in mind and be unable to see how the person typing may have meant something different. I see a lot of people stating that Adam was being vicious.......but reading the tweets myself, I only see someone who is trying to explain issues from the perspective he was given by another expert in their field.
@@dawnmidnightsun2521 But seriously man how is boiling down most of Dr. Mike's points on the profit part to "He says we are too mean on hospitals and thinks they are above criticism" not disingenuous as hell?...
Imagine being a comedian with a Bachelor's degree in PHILOSOPHY and then acting like you know more about the medical system than doctors, healthcare managers, economists, etc.
Step down son, you're not qualified to toe off with Dr. Mike.
He's not saying that it is wrong though, it's just the tone and the way it was taken was wrong. They say so many negatives, that by the time they disclose the info about it, people are already having a negative mindset towards what they were arguing.
Credit Inflation.
As someone that works in revenue management in a large research hospital, I can absolutely agree that the manpower and time that has to be spent on getting paid a tiny amount by insurance companies is ridiculous. We have an arm of people trying to accomplish this task. And there are definitely procedures that we lose money on because of the cost of supplies and implants.
While I usually respect Adam and his starting conversations through his television show I feel that he was far too defensive in his response to Dr. Mike. I feel like in a snide way Adam went after Mike’s character which bugged me a little. That being said I am glad to see Dr. Mike not attack back and to give his honest opinion about the matter rather then get into drama
Yeah Adam just really pissed me off and overreacted.
Well if he’s acting defensive that usually means that he knows he’s wrong and is trying to not only convince everyone else is right he’s trying to convince himself
Watson Holmes no Adam is right
Here's the thing, Adam is a bit arrogant. What has happened with this topics of hospitals should give you pause and make you consider that perhaps Adam is not accurate on other topics he's covered as well and you just didn't know because there wasn't an expert like Dr.Mike to point out Adam was wrong.
Think about it.
Watson Holmes what adam said is true he does the negative of stuff then does positive of it and he cut that all out to make adam look bad
Bums me out that Dr. Mike feels the need to explain himself. He’s one of the most rational, levelheaded people on UA-cam. Do you, Dr. Mike! 💪🏽
It burns you that Mike (just some doctor, and one with, let's face it, not extensive experience) isn't absolutely above criticism? Wow. Your world terrifies me.
@@theconvert1208 no it terrifies me how a man who studied medicide for years cant even be given the slightest bit of respect by being Called a doctor. i guess in your world effort means nothing, well iguess that would mean you're nothing cause i dont respect you at all.
TheConvert oh shut up why are you here if you’re a hater.
As Dr.Mike has explained in this video it is a good thing. He stresses that clarity is very important in these kind of conversations and if people don't understand or simply misunderstood some of his points and need further clarification he is happy to provide it.
If Dr. Mike was ugly would it still bum you out that he felt the need to explain himself?
Who here isn't surprised adam conover replied back with a defensive response and went
Foward almost attacking Mike
Meanwhile doc Mike was calm and explained his point systemically without trying hit back and didn't even get heated
I think the problem with Adam and comedians like him mostly gets too snarky and cynical sometimes
And when an intellectual person differs with what they say the said comedian gets defensive
That's just my view on it
Defensive? You’re kidding right?
Jason Biggs a lot of comments here seem to call Adam's reply defensive and arrogant. I don't really get it either 🤷♀️
@@roger7934 yeah that’s what happens when you fan boy/girl
@@KalEL224 You are but just another fan boy/girl from the other side, we are not that different.
This is our community, it is only natural for us to be defending it.
In the other hand you come in here making aggressive gestures, not sharing you point of views
so unless you start sharing
You will be labeled as a intruder and a moron
@@KalEL224
From my stand point, I found Adam's reply defensive and arrogant
for he mistook multiple points from Dr. Mike
1. Dr. Mike criticizing the tone, when he actually criticized the focus, which he stated exactly with 'the focus' in the last video
2. Dr. Mike claimed that hospital is not looking for a profit, when he didn't say any of that at all, he agreed
For someone making a public statement as professional and as experienced as Adam,
such mistake is unacceptable and will be taken as intentionally misrepresenting
Hence why I found Adam's reply defensive and arrogant
Dr. Mike, I’m glad you have the platform you do. I have political aspirations, and I realize that the healthcare system in America is very expensive. I’ve always seen profits as a reason, but not the main reason, and I’ve been called heartless and cruel for not immediately jumping on proposals like price fixing or taxpayer funded universal healthcare. I’m glad that you point out the other factors that are raising costs, because it allows for more productive and less divisive solutions. It’s from watching your videos that I’ve decided if/when I enter the political sphere, I need to sit down with people within the medical field to discuss the best plans, instead of trying to solve the problems with just an outside perspective. Thank you.
(I’m 16, btw)
Me: *See’s thumbnail*
“Oh no not more drama.”
*watches looking for drama*
Mike: *has respectful debate and seems happy to talk about the alternative view*
Me: “Huh. Cool.”
*reads Adam’s tweet*
“Oh there it is.”
Lolll
Lmao
I need to get a mammogram,
At or before 35
The Brest surgeon insisted after my lumpectomy at 27
Am 33 already.
Watched a Mayim Bialik video on it, she kept saying it’s expensive.
So now concerned about the cost too.
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His tweet was super snippy
What was his tweet i dont has da twitter
I went and got my first mammogram after seeing your video, and paid the extra $40 for the fancy 3D images. Good news, no issues, even better news, it was a wicked cool machine and I’m happy with the whole experience. Side note, it was uncomfortable but not painful or awkward. The technician explained everything and was amused by my obvious excited geeking out over the machine and process. Thank you for speaking about the possible misunderstanding of the episode and for responding to these tweets in such a direct and mature way. Cheers to you!
I didn't find it painful either, slight discomfort but I've felt far worse in my life. As I commented though those machines are NOT made for short people though lol, it was more painful on my calves having to stand on my tiptoes through the entire process lmfao!
@@malindastevens1016 When I had mine done last year, the technician lowered the machine to my height because I said it was uncomfortable where it was, so they can be adjusted some. I'm 5'6", though. If they adjusted it and you were still too short, then they should have gotten a step stool for you to stand on, in the least. I couldn't have done it if I'd had to stand on my tiptoes! My back is too messed up for that. Lol
@@xzonia1 I'm only 4'10" lol and yea I have a bad back as well and sadly they didn't get me a stool. The lady adjusted the machine down as far as she could but it wouldn't go down quite far enough
I'm happy everything's ok
@@hannap8052 Yea everything came out alright, it was mainly a just to be safe thing because of a swollen lymph node, though I'm very near the age for regular screenings (will be 40 this August)
I don’t even know why the UA-cam algorithm figured that I would even be interested in any of your videos, but I’m glad it did. I’m hooked on watching your videos and I’ve been highly recommending your videos, especially your COVID-19 videos to people. I describe you as being very informative and that you are very good at explaining things in a way that is calming and comforting. Before watching you I never would have known what a Code Blue was. I love to learn new things, even if I may never need to apply them and I absolutely enjoy your channel.
Came a little late. I’m very amazed at Dr Mike’s clarity and ingenuity in this video. Would love to see a video getting into the nitty gritty of hospital bills and insurance companies if possible. I have so many questions now.
Oh shit we got Twitter beef on the menu.
Let's go!
doesn't really look like beef but rather professionally, well written responses on both sides
I feel like Adam tried to cover his ass for something he really didn't need to
@@Kougeru lol you didn't see how Adam twisted what Mike said? Adam is a really shadey dude
soft cream yeah I’m with you. Adam really seemed to try and make Mike sound like “one of them” and that mike was almost trying to “silence” him. Really rubbed me the wrong way.
Dr. Mike 2020 anyone??? The level of charisma and wholesomeness in this guy is amazing. I don't believe I have ever seen anyone respond to criticism that well.
It would have to be 2028... Gotta be 35 to run for president, and Dr. Mike was born in 1989.
He'd have my vote.
Well sadly it’ll never happen...he wasn’t born in the U.S., so without a constitutional amendment, he can’t be elected president
@@ElephantsRock943 Charisma and wholesomeness are both nice to have, but are also not great reasons to pick someone for president. It should be based primarily on policy, not based on whether or not you personally like the person.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 True, though if they have good morals, that would probably ultimately lead to better outcomes. Though true, policies should probably be priority number one when voting for a candidate.
I saw the A.R.E video long before I found Dr. Mike’s reaction to it. My takeaways:
(1) Hospitals are in it for the profit. They do all they can to make a buck, even at the expense of patients.
(2) I don’t need a mammogram; the costs outweigh the benefits.
(3) It’s more likely that I’ll have a “not so bad” cancer than the really bad one, so I should maybe wait out treatment.
I really appreciated the reaction video because more details were better explained. The fact that profit isn’t the main cause of price inflation wasn’t clear, at all, in the ARE video.
Maybe you should get one anyway so you wont have five half-orphans.
The "sup" in the bottom left corner at 1:02 got me choking as i tried to stop at the right time 😂😂😂
The way you give your perspective about something with someone who totally disagrees with you is very admirable. Wish people treated differing opinions like you do.
Leading by example and continually improving myself...we all can do better!
As a nurse I definitely agree with Mike, its not so much the content but the focus that is the issue with Adam's video. Its videos like Adams that lead to the idea that hospitals are filled with greedy people trying to turn a profit and lead to mistrust. Really most of the people a patient will meet (Nurses, Doctors, Case Managers) are actively trying to make the whole process cheaper for the patient and are on the patients side. At least that is my experience with my hospital.
I feel like a not insignificant reasons for this back and forth is that Adam seemed more interested in critiquing for profit hospitals generally (which is valid, even if it could have been clearly/more articulate on that) whereas Mike dealt with the reality that we have.
Jordy Diaz I’m sure there are people who don’t differentiate and thus blame the staff. I have found that most people are really bad at actually placing the blame correctly (like if their food comes out wrong at a restaurant and they blame the waiter). I think it’s largely because they seldom SEE the person/people who should be blamed and want to have a face to put with the blame. None of it is right and they definitely shouldn’t blame the staff, but I don’t doubt there are those who do.
Woo, well now I know.
I have deleted so many attempts at writing how awesome I felt your response to this video was and just decided to say it. Awesome. I wish I could channel your maturity next time my brother tells me I’m wrong about something I KNOW for a fact I’m right about. Next level! So much respect for you!
I am a crazy fan for both mike and Adam. I have been following both of them since years. No doubt both of them are correct in their episodes. Adam’s episodes are always factually correct but the person has to read about it in detail where mike chooses one topic and goes in detail. But one think that makes me a fan of Dr. Mike more is how he is taking Adams reply. Adam directly went on direct mode where Mike was so sweet till the end. And here I thought Dr. Mike was just a pretty face.
Adam's episodes are not all factually correct though lol
@@Raevynwing yep. they did a special episode about it in adam ruins everything. but they do occasionally bring in big time experts that always caught me off guard.
*Oversimplification can be dangerous sometimes*
- Dr. Mike
Pixie basically if ur doing an essay for school
Edit: also comprehensive tests
So my reasoning is dangerous sometimes
@@itssssstef over reasoning, there is a thing called being "over rational" y'know.
last week: tati v james
this week: dr mike v adam
🍿 🍿 🍿 🍿
Haha I am so not a fan of beef! But this was a healthy convo about helping everyone! We are all on the same team.
This was a sophisticated beef
@@svpremefrank8503 😂😂😂 Haha yes, grown folk beef!
This was pork
@@DoctorMike This was filet mignon!!
"The system is so fraught with inconsistencies, with redundancies."
That sounds about right. It's not entirely the doctors nor the hospitals as to why health care costs so much. It's the system.
"Being a primary care doctor, I have a pulse."
Thank goodness. The last doctor I went to had really cold hands and seemed extremely stiff.
Personally, I think Adam got a bit defensive because his segment was criticized constructively by a doctor. The tone in his responses sounded like it. I like controversial topics though. Whatever gets me or the crowd thinking lol 👌🏼💙
Adam gets like that whenever he's criticized
@@jmsolano0516 Because he knows hes very often wrong lol
I was thinking the same thing! His response just felt like he watched Dr. Mike’s video to respond and not to understand. 🤷🏾♀️
I've never trusted someone that I do not know as much as I trust Dr. Mike. He is so genuine, so transparent, and so gracious and classy. It's so obvious he truly cares about public health and sharing truthful and factual advice.
He also thinks you are an idiot lol. Congrats!
hey Dr. Mike! i had a question. in the video you said:
"those who are more educated have a higher level of bias because they're able to convince themselves by rearranging data and information to suit their own beliefs."
i knew all humans had some level of bias, but didn't know that as education increased, bias increased. i was wondering if you could point me to a study that explains that more in depth. i'm a psychology undergraduate, so i'm really interested in learning how to fight cognitive biases. thanks!
I'm a psychologist and currently doing a MA, I had a research topic and my supervisor insisted I had bias but I couldn't figure out how. When he explained the bias "I had" I didn't; and was so biased now I just wanted to disprove his projected bias (an incredibly stupid one).
And then I realised that fool git me so biased I wouldn't be able to conduct an objective study. 😭😠
*He* *still* *pisses* *me* *off* for ruining my great topic.
I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for but in The Truly False Consensus Effect: An Ineradicable and Egocentric Bias in Social Perception by Joachim Krueger, and Russell Clemet (Keep in mind this study was done back in 1994). People with higher education are more likely to suffer from consensus bias.
I'm not sure if higher education has a direct link to an increased bias, but it does cause all those seeking it to spend more time with people who are going about life in the same fashion. Granted with the internet being more popular now, I would be interested if the numbers have changed at all.
THE-Jeal thank you!
I read that humans will believe untruths that support their opinions before they believe facts that don't. So, I guess we all want to be right first and foremost. The more educated you are, the more facts you probably know more than the average person.
One of the big factors of the exploding cost of healthcare that Dr. Mike talked about, but only briefly, are corporations. Whether it is insurance, medical device manufacturers, or pharmaceuticals all of these corporations have a heavy influence on how price is out of control in healthcare. Talk about trying to turn a profit. I would argue that these businesses sole purpose is to turn a profit, not help people. At least with Hospitals they are trying to help people.
How does adam criticize things for a living but not understand any of dr mikes critiques ?
Bias
Because hes a personality.
Well, it's not truly him doing all of the critiquing. He likely has a few researchers that he turns to for the information and then present that information. Not to say he isn't involved in the research process, but he likely is not as involved as that team.
Matthew Smith wait till you hear him on joe rogans podcast
The episode is on the older side, and tbh I can imagine that Adam's moved on mentally from that episode and just skimmed the initial reaction video.
I'm glad that this has remained civil, though
Its like doctor mike is the kind of doctor we don't deserve, but clearly the one we need.
I love how Mike just destroyed Adam with kindness. I'm sorry Dr Mike I know you prefer civil dialogue but I really don't like Adam
Still floored by how polite and even tempered Dr Mike is. Absolute boss.
This is such a classy and dignified WELL EDUCATED and coherent response.
So well handled.
Adam was unnecessarily defensive and misunderstood your points.
Yea, I'm genuinely impressed by how well this was handled. I don't think even a PR rep would've come up with something this classy.
I do think that the first video was not very clear and this second one gives a much better explanation on his points and this is why adams response shows a lack of understanding of mikes points if adam sees this video wich which in my opinion is much better at showing mikes views then I'm sure his response would be much better and more amicable and if im wrong then it shows that adam is focusing to much on defending himself and not enough on the healthy criticism mike is giving
Well Adam does know everything 😂
I think (or want to think, because I want to like Adam), that this is a case so fittingly described by John Scalzi as: "The failure mode of clever is “asshole." i.e. Adam tried to be funny and jokingly dismissive, but ended up being dismissive and arrogant.
(At least that's how it seems to me. As we all know, everyone's impressions are different.)
Considering Adam likes to manipulate statistics, studies, and numbers to support his view, I am not at all surprised.
Adam: combativly puffs chest
Dr mike : chest bump bro!
Adam: confused
Great job Dr.Mike-drop. Accepting criticism, clarifying point on which you two agree and disagree, and thanking Adam for his critique of your critique. Perfect.
True king other guy is lost
Gotta say I agree with you on the profiteering not being the biggest issue. Australia has private for-profit hospitals but we still don't have the same kinds of insanely inflated medical costs as US hospitals, and whilst I'm sure there's a hell of a lot of different factors at play, the simplicity of our public and private insurance systems is likely one of the reasons.
felt that Adam was targeting Dr. Mike personally rather than having an honest conversation about healthcare. Also, even though it was good to simplify and make things easy to understand, oversimplification is misleading, esp for us layman viewers.
"Being a primary care doctor, I have a pulse" - Doctor Mike, 2019
Being a dead man, i don't
haha I'm going to run on that =]
Someone needs to make a T-shirt of that and send it to him
Well... In that case, you, sir, are fully qualified to practice medicine! Haha
I too have a pulse :D
When I saw Adam's video on mammograms, I had taken away that I should never have a mammogram. I'm grateful to Mike for the full picture and a better understanding.
Alli Way Adam's video made it seem like all mammograms were useless
If you make a major decision like choosing to skip routine medical screenings based off of a skit show from a guy who never set foot in med school you’ve got some major problems. That’s honestly pathetic.
@@theforeverfalling To be fair, Adam did have a certified medical professional, so that added credibility to his argument. So, I wouldn't blame anyone for taking what Adam said as fact
That's the problem with sensationalist entertainment shows that sells itself as based on facts... Hence I'd rather listen to an actual doctor and ask my questions. If I'm unsure, I get a second opinion or read the scientific literatures directly themselves instead of reading another sensationalist "journalist-wanna be's" take on it.
@@theforeverfalling if you make people feel pathetic for making a mistake in judgement you're pathetic. 🤷♂️
Mike handled this so maturely. I really respect that. I hope Adam can learn to be this respectful as well-the tone of his tweets shocked me, especially since I considered myself a fan of his show.
I just don’t understand how you can think overcharging patients is not one of the main reasons healthcare is so expensive.
Adam: *throws a fit about how no one is above criticism*
Also Adam: *throws a twitter hissy fit over slight criticism*
Dr. Mike: Teeheehee what a good convo let's talk more ttyl xoxo
Dr. Mike is too pure for this world
In the tweet that Dr. Mike included Adam said it was requested by his viewers and like Dr. Mike said it a healthy debate which educates the public.
@@jasminepardo3036 it was a hissy fit
@@samanthagalarza3421 I agree, When I read the part "I reject Dr Mike's Critque", My mouth dropped and was turned off completely by Adam's points. It reminded me of a spoiled brat who likes to keep their head in the sand about topics, never learning, but always right.
Girl, you know you doing the same thing right? You are throwing a small tantrum over good points that Adam had even though some were a little off putting tone-wise, so you need to calm down hun
Honestly that's why he's probably such a good doctor. Adam tried to tell him "you're wrong" basically and WITHOUT going "well I'm a doctor so I would know" Mike defended his points very clearly and logically. He is a doctor though so he would know haha anyone can do Adams job of looking up statistics and making them look sleek with a good video editor.
Adam: **Gives a lightly snarky and butthurt tweet**
Mike: “Ah! He tweeted me, and I’m so happy to have this debate, yes”
Me: **Puts my face into my hands** Oh my God, he’s a puppy
This.
So much this.
Everything and this. He sounded so offended that a doctor disagreed with his video because ‘they did so much fact checking!!!!’ when he never really disagreed. Mike just thought that the information coulda been explained better/differently.
Fact check and review it all you want but delivery is what actually matters.
Bluebird Grayson I don’t think Adams reply was particularly snarky, I also felt that (when I watched doctor mikes reaction) he felt fairly defensive, which is understandable. I also think that simply taking a section out of a segment can make anything look like “normal viewers will misunderstand” and I’m sure you can do the same with Mikes videos. In the hospital video it does clarify straight after the segment about those tests to start them at 40 so the insistence from Doctor Mike sounds strange.
As well as this, doctor mike is reacting to those tweets in a video format, while Adams are written. As such it’s a lot easier to misunderstand Adams tone compared to Mikes because we can see mikes reactions as he’s replying.
I’d like to clarify that I’m a big Doctor Mike fan and Adam Ruins Everything Fan and love this interation, I just also think it’s a little too hasty to assume Mike is chill and Adam isn’t because of formatting
HeroRodrigues Adam isn’t chill though... have you seen him outside of his show? I truly hate this phrase, but if it were to apply to anyone it would be Adam - he’s the definition of a beta male. Ugh... the cringe... anyways...
Adam is pretty much a know it all asshole who isn’t interested in debate or conversation. He utilizes anecdotes when it suits him and dismisses objective data if that information goes against his belief. I enjoy the premise of Adam ruins everything and I think there are some great episodes.
However... I think a lot of the episodes are ideologically driven instead of simply fact focused. I find Dr. Mike to have a kinda irritating personality which makes his videos hard to watch for me. But I think he overall does a good job in presenting his opinions and is fair to others.
@@Tigatron1448 Honestly when you look at videos of him trying to explain his point of view on the spot he just makes him look like a dunce "WELL I BELIEVE THIS BECAUSE!"
"because....?"
"uhhh....w-well because.... because- could you elaborate?"
500% beta male and everything else you said. If i could make his a top comment I would.
"Beta males" are not a thing.
Dr. Mike, I lived in Sweden for two years. I've also visited hospitals outside of Sweden. I broke my collarbone playing (american) football with my brother on a road trip in Austria. We didnt see a doctor until our 2nd day in Venice, Italy. I was x-rayed, treated, in and out within a few hours, without spending a dime. When we went back home to Sweden, we visited another doctor for a follow-up, only to find that my collar bone was healing, in his words, "quite beautifully". So my question for you is, if other countries can provide free healthcare to not just their citizens, but tourists, immigrants, and anyone who visits the country, why can't America do that?
It is SO nice to watch this conversation between two people that I respect and enjoy watching... Just that they both make good points and respectfully comment on and critique each other's points. More of this kind of conversation, world! And thank you Dr. Mike for explaining why you excluded parts from your initial reaction. Because I had seen Adam's video BEFORE watching your reaction, and I fully noticed that you skipped the entire "chargemaster" segment (which was the segment I had found the most interesting)... I suppose my only criticism for you now is that you mentioned you liked to experience the video for the "first" time WITH us, but perhaps you should consider that a portion of us may have already seen the video you are reacting to? Regardless, I think you handled this well and I'm glad you made a response video to answer the criticisms.
I think Adam forgets that he is just a comedian/writer/TV host and not an actual expert on the subjects he covers. His rejection of Dr. Mike's (healthy/respectful) criticism speaks volumes.
This ^
A person doesn't have to be an expert on a topic in order to be knowledgeable and present a decent argument. However, Adam absolutely should have deferred to Dr. Mike's expertise and used the initial critique as an opportunity to reflect and readjust his own argument. His tweets reek of drama rather than intellectual discussion. Can you imagine how much more productive the conversation could have been if Adam continued the dialogue on rising health care costs?
Adam is a beta Male
To be fair, Conover does have a strong, logical foundation, because his video was reviewed by an experienced physician and cancer researcher.
Adam is long known for taking a hardline left wing stance, citing only sources that agree with him and ignoring all other evidence
This is how 'drama' should br handled. Thank you Dr.Mike!
I really like the way you explained why it's so expensive to go to the hospital. I always wondered why and had my own ideas but you cleared it up
I don't know how but I admire this man more and more with every video. Keep showing the good example of a kind human being that you are. Some people might be lacking that kind of role model in their life and this is kind of example that they may need.
Thank you very much for that.
Adam: No one is above criticism.
Also Adam in the same tweet tirade: I respectfully reject this criticism.
Weak.
You mean mike
@@clarak468 Mike is actually responding well. Adam was responding to points Mike didn't make.
Adam didn't act like he shouldn't be criticized. He was clarifying his point of view.
Well, one doesn't have to accept every criticism just because one thinks that no one is above criticism. Some criticism is simply not justified (not referring to Dr. Mike's criticism here) so you're not obliged to accept it.
@@cherusiderea1330 Well, I guess it's a matter of wording. You can disagree with some criticism, of course. 'Rejecting' criticism rather implies that you don't even accept it's existence in the first place. Which is pretty much the same as thinking to be 'above criticism'. So I think Adam just worded this quite badly.
This guy handled the situation so gracefully we stan even harder now
I keep seeing “stan” all over the internet and idk what it means 😭 lol I can’t keep up with the young peoples, what does it mean?
@@grayonthewater Look up the Emminem song.
Gray Glider Girl it means that they support them/they’re huge fans :)
@@goldenxoxo8413it means they're a fanboy, who will defend their "stan" and die on a hill for them by engaging in flame wars on the internet.
@@grayonthewater They're proudly proclaiming themselves to be mindless sycophants. Cult crap. Scientologists are L. Ron Hubbard Stans.
I wish to be this good at debating, argumenting and critical thinking one day
So much love and respect for Dr.Mike! Social media needs more content creators like Dr. Mike! I love how he shows so much care and respect to EVERYONE, not just those that share his opinions and views. We can all learn a lot from Dr.Mike!